Thread: not able to EC during movement, bug or intented?

The last couple of times I noticed (while being flung thru the air by a giant) that EC wouldn't fire in flight, while all other lightening skill do. I also couldn't fire EC during running... I got a not allowed while moving error both times.

Somehow I was under the impression that all lightening skills can be fired during movement, anyone else encounter this or am I mistaken?

I've experienced it too. Ninja change, I guess? Unless it was like that all the time and I never noticed before.

Working as intended.

It has been like this for a long long time.
I believe you used to be able to, then creeps complained that they were getting 1 shotted by RKs on the move, so it is the only lightning skill that can't be cast on the fly.

But since then EC damage has been reduced... so we should be able to move and EC again... Zombie? I think you made a little boo boo here

Originally Posted by Jeroen3219

But since then EC damage has been reduced... so we should be able to move and EC again...

lolwut we're dropping 8/9k unbuffed devs & 12/13k buffed - you want to be able to do that on the move, you mad bro?

EC is the single most powerful burst dps skill in the game... What other skill out there nonn-crit for 4k?

Don't revamp to use on the fly. We are fortunate that there is no induction as it is.

its kinda annoying but u just have to live with it i guess

i can remember when i still was a noob rk (about 2years back) i was thinking the same thing about EC but now i know why you aint able to fire it while moving (just think of those 11k crits/15k devs)

How epic Epic Conclusion may be, lightening skills are cast on the run. Before the damage reduction it was decided that EC was too powerful to be cast on the run. Since the damage has been tuned down, casting on the run should be restored! At least, that is what I think...

From my personal experience EC does not always crit (even with all the extra's on), so really, 8 - 9K crits unbuffed and 15K buffed? On on level mobs, my EC crits (actually devs) for about 4 - 5K IF it crits, it just as many times hits with 1,8K. And yes, I don't have the best build (working on it). And as we all know (and can read at this forum) the Moors is NOT the most important aspect of LOTRO, nor will it be. It's a bonus and nerfing things for a bonus... well, it's not my cup of tea. Instead of not being able to cast EC on the move, because of some PvMP reason, buff the creeps so it hits them for less...

But at least I now know it was done on purpose and why, so thank you

Originally Posted by Jeroen3219

From my personal experience EC does not always crit (even with all the extra's on), so really, 8 - 9K crits unbuffed and 15K buffed? On on level mobs, my EC crits (actually devs) for about 4 - 5K IF it crits, it just as many times hits with 1,8K.

youre right there, EC does not always crit (would be OP if it did now wouldnt it? ) but with decent gear u should be hitting around 3-4k every time on on-lvl mobs at 75

Originally Posted by Jeroen3219

Since the damage has been tuned down, casting on the run should be restored!

You never could cast it on the run. /thread

gotta say i hate lies being spread about ec, it has to crit first.... y'know crit..... rarer than a normal hit. secondly anyone who says they're hitting 12k crits on on-level mobs regularly is a liar. i run with just under 30k tact mastery and 12k on an on level mob is a DEV not a crit, and certainly is a freak occurrence. and my gear is better than about 90% of rk's and i have all stat tomes etc. so most rk's since RoI have never even seen 10k, and in the moors.... with Audacity..... don't make me laugh, 5k is considered a very good hit, and i deved stylen the other day for 3k..........

Whether or not you can cast EC on the run is entirely irrelevant in PvE...it's way too OP in PvP. RKs are still hitting well over 7k unbuffed in the moors, can't happen on the move lol.

If you get the timing down, you can mash EC as you stop moving and follow it up with a quick final words and keep moving. It'll basically look like you do EC on the run.

its wai....But heres another great idea to be made!!!! EC while running! ec while running! ec whie running! Especially when champs can remorseless 4 times in a row...ON the move!

Originally Posted by marlwyn

its wai....But heres another great idea to be made!!!! EC while running! ec while running! ec whie running! Especially when champs can remorseless 4 times in a row...ON the move!

Not only can champs NOT remorseless 4 times in a row, they're a melee class.

Oh my god..

This has now impact on PvE at all, and in the Moors, well..

I´m doing 5-6k EC Crits on R6-10 Creeps with Full Audacity regularly
The average Creep has between 11k and 14k Morale, subtracting EC from that leaves between 5k and 9k
I have 8,3k Morale, do a lot more DPS and heal myself more (or in case of WLs and Defilers I do 5x more DPS)

See how balanced the Moors are
Add to that the various bugs we have, like Charged Buff not increasing EoS Damage..we are already overpowered enough

It's kinda annoying, but for the damage it does, I'll stop a second.

If you really find it that tuff to stand still and use EC then your doing it wrong. My EC still kills wargs in hips because of the long animation, so I'm happy.

Originally Posted by loki84

gotta say i hate lies being spread about ec, it has to crit first.... y'know crit..... rarer than a normal hit.

noone was saying they always crit with EC... however it is possible to crit with it almost every time if u have all ur self buffs on (including Perfect Imagery's +30% crit chance) and have a decent crit rating (6k+)

Originally Posted by loki84

secondly anyone who says they're hitting 12k crits on on-level mobs regularly is a liar. i run with just under 30k tact mastery and 12k on an on level mob is a DEV not a crit

again, noone is saying they hit 12k crits regularly, most of my crits are around 10k though...
15k is perfectly possible m8, if u dont belief me have a look at this

Originally Posted by loki84

and certainly is a freak occurrence.

yes it totally is!

Originally Posted by loki84

and my gear is better than about 90% of rk's and i have all stat tomes etc. so most rk's since RoI have never even seen 10k, and in the moors.... with Audacity..... don't make me laugh, 5k is considered a very good hit, and i deved stylen the other day for 3k..........

you're probably right there but we weren't talking about moors at all tbh....

Originally Posted by Warth

Not only can champs NOT remorseless 4 times in a row, they're a melee class.

They can do 4 remorseless in row, just need good timing and wild attack crit, and that their melee class doesnt effect any way, sure give Rks 70% mits and the morale, then i can stop QQ ^^

Originally Posted by marlwyn

They can do 4 remorseless in row, just need good timing and wild attack crit, and that their melee class doesnt effect any way, sure give Rks 70% mits and the morale, then i can stop QQ ^^

unless you know of a way to get 4/5 fervour back on remorseless hits, no. besides, i've seen essence of storm/shocking words hit just as hard as remorseless and you don't need to be standing on top of what you're trying to hit for them.
more on topic, while it makes perfect sense that you can't use ec while moving in the moors, is there any real reason ec shouldn't be castable on the move outside of pvp? it wouldn't be the first time something worked differently in the moors to the rest of the game.

Originally Posted by MajUntagent

more on topic, while it makes perfect sense that you can't use ec while moving in the moors, is there any real reason ec shouldn't be castable on the move outside of pvp? it wouldn't be the first time something worked differently in the moors to the rest of the game.

Well, all extremly hard hitting skills have their downside
Heartseeker has an induction
Remorseless Strike requires melee range and costs 4 fervour
Lightning Storm requires Ancient Craft debuff and has an induction

We should be happy that EC only requires standing still

Originally Posted by Chris91

Well, all extremly hard hitting skills have their downside
Heartseeker has an induction
Remorseless Strike requires melee range and costs 4 fervour
Lightning Storm requires Ancient Craft debuff and has an induction

We should be happy that EC only requires standing still

all champ skills with the exception of let fly require melee so remorseless doesn't really fit. it could be argued that ec doesn't really do much unless it crits and both harsh debate and thunderous words are active, so really it already has things built in to balance it.

Pro tip: Have any of you RKs out there tried EC + Final Words immediate succession?

Try it out sometimes... it eliminates the root and long post-animation from using EC. It is similar to champs using brutal + clobber, burgs using flashing blades + addle, wargs popping flayer stance + eye rake, BAs popping screaming shafts + No You Don't, etc etc... (any class that uses a long animation skill followed by an immediate execute skill).

Basically, you will find using the combo EC + FW will require you to stop moving and execute skill sans root and be stationary for < .75 second. Try it out sometime and post feedback. You may change your mind and realize that EC doesn't require to be modified to be used on the run, whether PvP or PvE.

Edit:
Bonus Super Secret Squirrel Pro tip: The above suggestion is also a nasty KB stealin' ninja execution as it advances damage applied to target much quicker rather than allowing damage to apply to target upon conclusion (no pun intended) of the animation.

<3

Originally Posted by 87_Suited

Pro tip: Have any of you RKs out there tried EC + Final Words immediate succession?

Try it out sometimes... it eliminates the root and long post-animation from using EC. It is similar to champs using brutal + clobber, burgs using flashing blades + addle, wargs popping flayer stance + eye rake, BAs popping screaming shafts + No You Don't, etc etc... (any class that uses a long animation skill followed by an immediate execute skill).

Basically, you will find using the combo EC + FW will require you to stop moving and execute skill sans root and be stationary for < .75 second. Try it out sometime and post feedback. You may change your mind and realize that EC doesn't require to be modified to be used on the run, whether PvP or PvE.

Edit:
Bonus Super Secret Squirrel Pro tip: The above suggestion is also a nasty KB stealin' ninja execution as it advances damage applied to target much quicker rather than allowing damage to apply to target upon conclusion (no pun intended) of the animation.

<3

Oh you had to didn't you

Originally Posted by stock

You never could cast it on the run. /thread

This. Unless during Beta is was usable on the run, IDK. But I've been playing RK since Moria launch and never have I been able to EC on the run.

Originally Posted by 87_Suited

Pro tip: Have any of you RKs out there tried EC + Final Words immediate succession?

Or Calming Verse.

Pretty sure I posted this at the bottom of the first page! :P

Originally Posted by Ellery01

Pretty sure I posted this at the bottom of the first page! :P

You absolutely did... my appologies.. I missed it.

EC is working as intended and as far as lower EC DPS...well this true IF you compare the old RK system versus the current but I can still get 20k EC's buffed and 11-14k unbuffed so with the changes RK's = OP

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...ra/Rechora.jpg

Not being able to use it on the run is largely insignificant and completely intended. If you don't like being rooted in place after using EC, use Abrupt Words or something.

Originally Posted by Avoid_eye_contact

EC is working as intended and as far as lower EC DPS...well this true IF you compare the old RK system versus the current but I can still get 20k EC's buffed and 11-14k unbuffed so with the changes RK's = OP

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...ra/Rechora.jpg

Lol @ posting Goilag damage and saying it's regular.

Originally Posted by marlwyn

They can do 4 remorseless in row, just need good timing and wild attack crit, and that their melee class doesnt effect any way, sure give Rks 70% mits and the morale, then i can stop QQ ^^

Oh sorry, I didn't realize "in a row" meant "with other skills in between" to you. Also, the difference between melee and ranged in the moors is enormous, unless you have no concept of movement or kiting. I suppose it could be 4 in a row if you just wait for your fervour pips before hitting remorseless again .

Originally Posted by IMAWIN

Lol @ posting Goilag damage and saying it's regular.

Psh, he's a scrub. I hit a 24k EC. It doesn't matter that it was on a fully debuffed Draigoch's body right?

Man we haven't put the issue to rest with regard to the question of the OP???

WAI.

/closethread

I have EC'ed much higher than that on Draigoch and Goilag, I also EC for 20k+ every week in our ToO raids, so yes regular. Again I was talking buffed damaged and not unbuffed because it was brought up that RK's EC damage was nerfed when in fact it wasn't. It's just not as regular as it use to be but, this was made up for higher DPS on many other skills which in the end surpass the old RK over all DPS.