Thread: The fun in the moors - Keep flipping

Ok, I am not going to try to tell anyone how to play the game they are paying for. By all means you paid your money; however, I would ask all the moors patrons that wouldn't there be better fights and more fun to be had in the moors if people would simply come out to the moors to pvp and not focus on getting commendations? Some people just seem to want to take all the keeps hop on the other side and take them back. While its your game, and no one can tell you what is fun, wouldn't you have more fun just picking a side for the day and just pvp? I mean if you don't want to pvp whats the point of grinding for audacity? And flipping keeps is grinding...is grinding any fun? Well if it is for you fine have fun, but if not maybe consider just coming out to fight and leave the pve over in the other 98% of the game.

I am not flaming anyone, maybe some people just got in the habit or something. I just suggest to all of us, that we as a server just focus on the pvp...let's earn the commendations the fun way.

I have to agree. For some days in a row,last week,we didn't flip lugz so the creeps will have their rez. It sucks running back from grams,especially in a server like Imladris where not all creeps have their maps when raids are trying to organize. We had some good fights.

I don't believe that flipping will stop. It usually happens when only 1 side has numbers so they just flip the map since there is no one to fight.

However,I would worry more about people that spy and ruin the whole meaning of pvp

I agree with you wholeheartedly =D I try not to PVE anymore, and if there's no PVP going on I just log out. Grinding is dumb and not fun at all, that's the whole point that I play Creep, so that I don't have to grind and do PVE. Turbine's making PVE more and more prevelant in the moors lately. There's far more PVE going on now than PVP...

Also, all of you other thousand Wargs, please leave so I can play my Warg again without feeling guilty about being part of a Warg zerg. I'd appreciate it, since I actually want to play him again because I love that new skin.

Let's say keeps will never be fliped again, TR and LC stays for freeps, rest for creeps.

Where do you think fights will be?

Right, EC, most boring place in the game.


Let's say f/creeps are trying to flip TR, and the opposite team comes to stop them, now that's fun(at least when you try to stop them) unless they have a mega zerg, it's better than fighting freeps in EC or creeps in OC.



I don't like PvEing, but I must do it if I want my audacity/pvp armour. I don't do it when there's freeps out(unless it's a pointless EC gank), and ofc if some keeps are blue, we'll try to take them if there's no freeps around or they're hugging EC.



Also, think of a greenie warg. His stealth speed is like 50%, improed stealth costs 2k comms. In order to get that they should gain 4k infamy by pvping(if they ever stand a chance) or pve which is easier.

Exactly. PVE is becoming necesarry in PVP. So dumb.

The thing is, every time i lead a raid to fight people your left with a few things happening, ether you have to leave people out because you'll almost always get more numbers then the freeps and eventually overpower them because of that, or they disappear after a few whipes because of losing numbers or them just avoiding us or whatnot and so i'm stuck with a raid sitting here with nothing to do. So i've got nothing else to do but disband a raid i've spent 45+ minutes trying to form likely, or run them off to take a keep/relics and hope the freeps get numbers and try and fight us while we're doing them.

overall tho its just forcing us to do stuff we don't want just because they don't generally have the numbers too fight us well, or they are such a ball of freeps that when we do have 24/24 raids we're at the disadvantage because creeps don't have the kind of practice as freeps do in fighting with the class, or they don't have the skills or all kinds of things. so even then we are forced to try and stop them from doing the same thing as the creeps in reverse just because we can't handle raids that size because we can't ever fight them.

We are growing as a server in some ways tho and from time to time we can take out the freep balls so its just a matter of time until we have enough freeps out communly so they too are practiced in PVP combat instead of just using the class as really many freeps don't play the classes well in the moors because they play so little, its those few freeps who come out daily who do.

tldr: what we need is more freeps (24+ active ranked freeps) and equal numbers of ranked active creeps thats the only way we'll get balanced fights with groups.

I don't see why anybody else but a low rank creep would need to PvE. And just because rank is essential to pvp for a creep.

It's silly to think that PvE is needed. Yes,skills,traits etc. I know,have a creep as well. And no one said flipping a keep is bad. Exploiting that however is the point..Going in the moors to flip is silly. I've had great fun fighting against creeps when certain people led a craid. And yes we can't always have such fights I know. There will be zergs too and flipping for many numbers of reasons. Still,flipping the map shouldn't be what people go out in the moors for. We can work towards having moar pvp action and screw the keeps. All I want is to have my rez. That's it. More pvp and whatever that brings in the table,more renown/infamy/comms.

I enjoyed the fights at wtab last week. They all happened just after freeps refused to flip Lugz so the creeps will have a rez. And with the numbers of freeps we had out. Would be boring otherwise.

Dungold,stop spying for either side in the moors and then talk about PvP. It would be easy if we all had freep/creep logged to see what is happening on both sides and of course zerg people we have in our friend list.

I just find flipping pointless when not needed. I might as well go do some instances instead of killing npcs in the moors for 100 renown per quest.

Originally Posted by Eltheanor

I don't see why anybody else but a low rank creep would need to PvE. And just because rank is essential to pvp for a creep.

It's silly to think that PvE is needed. Yes,skills,traits etc. I know,have a creep as well. And no one said flipping a keep is bad. Exploiting that however is the point..Going in the moors to flip is silly. I've had great fun fighting against creeps when certain people led a craid. And yes we can't always have such fights I know. There will be zergs too and flipping for many numbers of reasons. Still,flipping the map shouldn't be what people go out in the moors for. We can work towards having moar pvp action and screw the keeps. All I want is to have my rez. That's it. More pvp and whatever that brings in the table,more renown/infamy/comms.

I enjoyed the fights at wtab last week. They all happened just after freeps refused to flip Lugz so the creeps will have a rez. And with the numbers of freeps we had out. Would be boring otherwise.

Dungold,stop spying for either side in the moors and then talk about PvP. It would be easy if we all had freep/creep logged to see what is happening on both sides and of course zerg people we have in our friend list.

I just find flipping pointless when not needed. I might as well go do some instances instead of killing npcs in the moors for 100 renown per quest.

First of all, I don't spy, what you call 'spying' is my way to chat with people who aren't currently on creepside when I want to be there and they don't(since I don't have a mic for Vent/TS). If you don't want people to know where you are GO ANON, I don't add people to friends list if I don't consider them my friends.

Second, PvE is a big part of infamy gain when moors is dead, which happens very often on this server. Sometimes I log on and ask for action and there's hardly a creep or freep on, so since I don't PvE too much on freep(I don't mean moors PvE) I'd do my creep dailies.

Originally Posted by Eltheanor

Still,flipping the map shouldn't be what people go out in the moors for.

I agree with this, however, don't think any high ranked freep/creep does this, most of them are low ranked.



Question is WHEN is flipping a keep needed? Only reasons I know to flip a keep is to have a rez(Lugz/TR) and/or to move the fight to some other place.

Moors map is getting old, Hoardale(EC-TA-OC) is getting very boring, I don't think moving the fight to somewhere else is a bad a idea.


But yeah, logging creep just to pve is stupid, but now Turbine wants us to create creeps to pve, since there's no other way a low ranked can get their skills.

Originally Posted by Nubhealer

If you don't want people to know where you are GO ANON

Unfortunately that does not work for creeps in your own kin.

All I wanted to say is that I don't like flipping when we want to have more actual pvp action. But fair enough,the way things are now especially on our server,more pve may be an option since we don't always have action.I don't know much about the Imladris creep side..

About the spying part. You say you don't spy but I see your burg at GV(not just me) and your defiler around OC. And I don't mind getting zerged at all. I never did. And I won't go anon because people spy and don't know how to find freeps and zerg them. I thought I was easy to locate anyway

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Originally Posted by Eltheanor

It sucks running back from grams,especially in a server like Imladris where not all creeps have their maps when raids are trying to organize.

Originally Posted by Eltheanor

It's silly to think that PvE is needed.

May I please be the first to say lol.

I see what you are trying to say,keep flipping and avoiding the action is not the point. Happened today and yesterday again. But I am used to it,creeps hide,freeps leave and flipping commences,unless a raid leader logs creepside and gets things going.

What's new anyway,only the thread not the subject.

Same thing happen's on our server. I have came to one 100% fool proof conclusion on this issue, if ya cant beat em. Join em! lol sucks but hey


Just find it funny that the whole commendations thing by turbine was meant to stop the pve for pvmp rewards, you were suppose to get more commendations pvp'ing then pve. For us slow servers tho it seemed to do just the opposite.

then they went and made it shared wallets for commendations, why they did this? We may never know lol. Simply makes farming a much more easy task if commendations is what you're after.


Anyways have fun Imladris, WTB one hour CD to flip sides again

Originally Posted by Inglaran

But yeah, logging creep just to pve is stupid, but now Turbine wants us to create creeps to pve, since there's no other way a low ranked can get their skills.

Meh, Turbine doesnt want you to pve on creepside for skills, they want your cold hard cash baby woo :P

Now for audacity on creepside, yeah pve for that since you cant buy it....yet! xD