Then and than. That was a tough one for me as a kid. I had to listen to “ah, but I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now” for months before it sank in.
I'll stand most misspellings, and give people the benefit of the doubt that English is not their first language (even when it clearly is ).
What does bug is the huge walls of text. White space is your friend when, especially when you are trying to make a complex point.
My other bete noir is "text-speak". That isn't a mistake, it is a choice, and in my (in this case not at all) humble opinion a very bad one!
You know, in some universities in Germany they study Kant in English translation. The translation breaks the sentences up into paragraphs, which makes it a lot easier to read. True story.
I use your when you're is correct all the time while playing, the extra time taken to be correct in terms of grammar when contextually they understand anyway is not worth it to me, I know, I'm awful.
You know, in some universities in Germany they study Kant in English translation. The translation breaks the sentences up into paragraphs, which makes it a lot easier to read. True story.
I agree with both your points!
Golly. Is there anywhere where they break up Proust into chapters?
I use your when you're is correct all the time while playing, the extra time taken to be correct in terms of grammar when contextually they understand anyway is not worth it to me, I know, I'm awful.
That's the perfect time to us 'ur' or 'yer'. That way, when the reader sees the word, she'll know to parse it later, rather than parsing it incorrectly and having to reread the whole sentence to make sense of it all.
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. ~ Faramir
This is the greatest online gaming community in the world. However, we all make some mistakes from time to time* . But I think we can do better. So here are some commonly misspelled words.
TS, allow me to fix your first paragraph:
I think this online gaming community is the greatest in the world! However, when it comes to spelling and grammar, there is definitely room for improvement. It's true none of us are perfect, but I believe with minimal effort, we can make this community even better. So, let's begin by identifying some of the words most commonly misspelled on these forums:
I think this online gaming community is the greatest in the world! However, when it comes to spelling and grammar, there is definitely room for improvement. It's true none of us are perfect, but I believe with minimal effort, we can make this community even better. So, let's begin by identifying some of the words most commonly misspelled on these forums:
Allowed, and done!
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. ~ Faramir
Stupidity and misuse of grammar are two different things. And if intelligence is the approved alternative to stupidity, then there are countless areas in which to gauge a person’s intelligence.
Grammar is just a learned response. A school thing. It has little to do with the intelligence of a person interacting in the universe.
If I were in combat in WWI, I would feel more at ease with Alvin York at my side in a skirmish than a grammar expert. I might also start a baseball staff with (pitching intelligent) Dizzy Dean, despite the English teachers who drove him out of broadcasting because of his so-called bad grammar.
I am not that bothered by bad spelling on fora as it is informal. What does annoy me is using could care less when you mean couldn't care less, that bugs me a lot.
To make things more confusing, different spellings are considered to be acceptable in different parts of the country. On a family trip when I was a kid, I visited my friend’s grandmother in the southern U.S. I got all excited when she said she was going to “set a spell on the porch.”
Being, by then, familiar with wizards and elf magic, I wondered if she was going to set off fireworks on the porch. Or have light shoot from her fingertips. Or maybe turn my friend into a toad.
You can imagine my disappointment when I discovered that her only intent was to spend the next 20 minutes in her rocking chair.
Poor grammar and spelling bother me a bit too *twitch*, although spending thousands of hours on the internet over the past 20 years *twitch* has taught me to mostly *twitch* ignore it. Comes from being the son of a teacher, I suppose.
What matters is context. If I'm in a professional setting and some individual's poor grammar and spelling are making it difficult to A) understand exactly what they mean or B) take them seriously, that's one thing. I won't hire an engineer who cannot communicate effectively and clearly, for example. But on a game forum? As long as I can get a rough idea of what a poster is talking about, that's good enough.
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This is interesting. One university where I taught, in its infinite wisdom, made a course in public speaking and business writing mandatory for all engineering students. I had the delight of teaching the course during several summers - and it was a delight. In my own writing, I'm a great populariser - I can take complex subjects and write or speak about them in ways that people who have no technical background in the subject can understand. And I dearly loved my students, even though some of them stumbled through, and some said it really did help them - it was great fun to teach, and given the poor background most engineers get in communications skills, I'd like to see it a mandatory course at other universities.
Trivia question:
What is one word that completely changes meaning just by capitalizing a letter?
Do you mean Polish and polish?
Or perhaps Job and job?
There are others. That old trivia question is often stated, "What is the one word that completely changes meaning and pronunciation just by capitalizing a letter?", and when so stated, it is incorrect.
There are others. That old trivia question is often stated, "What is the one word that completely changes meaning and pronunciation just by capitalizing a letter?", and when so stated, it is incorrect.
Reading or reading - where did Oscar Wilde end up in gaol? Do you need to catch the Angel tube, or are you looking for an angel at the tube stop? Ah, fun with words, I love it!
I don't bother to correct peoples' grammar and spelling online, though I notice it due to being a teacher.
It seems to me that spelling/grammar proficiency (among English speakers where it is their first language) has gone downhill in recent years. I suppose the texting may have something to do with it, as I have met young people that were shocked to learn that text-style spellings of common words weren't correct according to the dictionary. They seemed to find the concept of the same word being spelled two different ways (one dictionary/one "text") confusing.
It has been suggested to me that spelling and grammar have no use in a mostly online/texting world, but I admit to being too old-fashioned to agree with this.
Reading or reading - where did Oscar Wilde end up in gaol? Do you need to catch the Angel tube, or are you looking for an angel at the tube stop? Ah, fun with words, I love it!
Or Reading PA and the Reading Railroad in Monopoly (usually mispronounced unless you were in the area when the railroad existed).
I would like to submit could've, should've and would've, often written as could of, should of, or would of. I am even seeing these crop up in published books which were supposedly edited. It makes me cringe and twitch every time.
If people cannot write well, they cannot think well, and if they cannot think well, others will do their thinking for them.
-George Orwell-
Heh -- the only reason I read this far into the thread was to see whether somebody else had already corrected this one. I don't do spelling and grammar fixes unless somebody poses as an arbiter of textual purity.
This thread is no ukase for perfection. The English language is fluid; it changes rapidly. I do not mean to disparage thee.
The point is just to provide some spelling tips. They might help you to communicate more clearly.
You may choose to use them. You may choose to ignore them. You may choose to exploit them creatively. You may even disagree with them, and please tell me if you do.
I know that grammar sets some people off. Here's a cat:
He is quite fluffy.
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. ~ Faramir
I probably do a lot of mistakes, especially in game where there is no spell checker to help me remember I shouldn't write expecially :P
Sometimes I know there is something wrong in my sentence, I feel it, it's just I cannot really tell what it is.
That's because English is not my first language, I can't help it and I actually like it when someone corrects me, hopefully, I won't make that mistake next time.
Now, no one ever dared to call me an ignorant because of that but if they did, THAT would bother me
The only thing I find annoying are people that don't use punctuation. I find it hard to understand them even in my own language, let alone English
I find sometimes even mispellings in the game or in Devs' posts, even though it is few and far between, thus more than excusable.
Its /It's is the most glaring example probably of grammar not taught anymore in schools. English is my third language, but this mistake, glaring for me, somehow seems daunting for most English native speakers. (Then/than in fact comes second, followed here in LOTRO by tombs/tomes)
Again, no one is perfect, but it would be good to make an effort to improve our grammar and spelling. As I say to my students, no one will take you seriously either on the internet or in your job environment if you incessantly make grammar mistakes.
In my own defence here I cant see well, and my keyboard no longer has letters on the keys. I three finger type as best as I can and try not to make too many errors in spelling. iou are the usual culprits for me on where they are located. I solo play mostly by choice to avoid this issue and that of slow responce time in repyling. but hey its all good they say. I am here to enjoy my time playing, and if I offend you, hey its all good... relax and enjoy your time playing also.
The phrase "none of us" means no one, thus the singular 'is'.
No one is perfect. None of us are perfect.
The sense of the sentence dictates the usage of none. In this case the sense is plural because of the word US. When the sense is plural the plural usage of are is most common, and therefore most correct.
Usage note Since none has the meanings “not one” and “not any,” some 'wrongly' insist that it always be treated as a singular and be followed by a singular verb: The rescue party searched for survivors, but none was found. However, none has been used with both singular and plural verbs since the 9th century. When the sense is “not any personsor things” (as in the example above), the plural is more common:… none were found.
In my own defence here I cant see well, and my keyboard no longer has letters on the keys. I three finger type as best as I can and try not to make too many errors in spelling. iou are the usual culprits for me on where they are located. I solo play mostly by choice to avoid this issue and that of slow responce time in repyling. but hey its all good they say. I am here to enjoy my time playing, and if I offend you, hey its all good... relax and enjoy your time playing also.
You certainly do not offend me. We all just have to do the best with what is given us.
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I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.
Sharpening our grammar and spelling is sharpening our tools to defend our truths.
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. ~ Faramir
The sense of the sentence dictates the usage of none. In this case the sense is plural because of the word US. When the sense is plural the plural usage of are is most common, and therefore most correct.
Nouns dictate plurality of tense, not the entire sentence. In this case, the prepositional phrase modifies the noun, but is not part of it, therefore it does not influence the verb.
This singular/plural none argument is long standing, and will probably never satisfactorily be resolved for everyone. I've even heard it argued that the decision is stylistic. It is probably be safe to say that none of us is wrong (nudge-nudge, wink-wink).
If people cannot write well, they cannot think well, and if they cannot think well, others will do their thinking for them.
-George Orwell-
Nouns dictate plurality of tense, not the entire sentence. In this case, the prepositional phrase modifies the noun, but is not part of it, therefore it does not influence the verb.
This singular/plural none argument is long standing, and will probably never satisfactorily be resolved for everyone. I've even heard it argued that the decision is stylistic. It is probably be safe to say that none of us is wrong (nudge-nudge, wink-wink).
You readily admit that you knew none can be either singular or plural, yet you disregarded that and tried to say what i typed was wrong. How disingenuous of you.
Sometimes I don't even notice people's spelling errors from me being here in he forums so much.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
You readily admit that you knew none can be either singular or plural, yet you disregarded that and tried to say what i typed was wrong. How disingenuous of you.
I never said that I was not aware of the rather varied and extensive history of the English language. I had no hidden agenda, no pretense of ignorance, nor any lack of sincerity. I said that in the sense it is used in this post, the 'none' should take the singular tense. I was unaware that anyone in this rather lighthearted conversation would take such a grave and personal offense to a post on the internet or resort to name-calling. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
If people cannot write well, they cannot think well, and if they cannot think well, others will do their thinking for them.
-George Orwell-
I’m glad to see someone else knows the difference. This is by far the most annoying misuse both in-game and on the forum.
Than – [used to indicate a preference] I would rather join a raid than go collect ore.
Then - [following next after in order of position, narration, or enumeration : being next in a series] First you have to get Kin standing, and then you can barter for the nice Bling.
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Then and than. That was a tough one for me as a kid. I had to listen to “ah, but I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now” for months before it sank in.
I have trouble with then and than to this day. Another that gets me is tomorrow. For years I had to tell myself, "to the morrow" in order to remember it.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
Alright then, spelling and grammar can detract from a post. On with my own observational rant to the subject at hand. Some people use corrections simply to shoot down a great post to which they have no reasonable or logical retort. I tend to be a content/context first person.
If anything tends to irritate me it's the abbreviated text. U R here to express your point; would those extra few letters really be such a bother to include?
Walls of quotes anyone? Someone responds to a post with a very logical counter-point or even a supporting argument put together in a professional fashion concise and to the point. It's lost however between the wall of text and the quote of the wall of text. Since we can link to the quoted post, do we really need to see the entire quote within 1/2 inch of the original post? <Snip> anyone?
Filter bypassing. If you take the time to type in F*sh because Fish (for example) is a forbidden word, then you are admitting that you are intentionally breaking the rules. If your vocabulary is limited to a point where no other word will fill that void in your post, then perhaps you should be working on educating yourself further. Yes, many of us are adults and not so easily offended. Being an adult however also means behaving in a responsible manner.
Graphics for the sake of graphics. Beating a dead horse was cute 10 years ago. Now it is just extra filler and lag for some systems. Do we really have to see Captain Picard and his crew doing face palm yet again?
Statistics. 90% of us believe that 99% of all statistics are false (sarcasm). Someone comes up with a construed figure countered by another construed figure and the post is derailed for 10 pages arguing made up facts.
Obscure acronyms. Yes, the more common ones are recognized by many. I don't however enjoy using Google to find out that ISFAIK is short for "In so far as I know". Of course, human nature being what it is mandates that we now utilize the obscure ones we looked up just to confuse the next guy.
My all time abused and used phrase: "In my opinion" (I'm also guilty of using the phrase). Unless you are quoting the opinion of someone else, at which point you should state it as so, it is always your opinion. As George Carlin would say "Unnecessary words".
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Not to worry. The second picture was staged in a studio, or so the story goes. It is supposedly a 4 year old cat that had plastic surgery and is heavily made up by one of the top Hollywood make-up people.
In addition the gun was reported to be loaded with blanks and a stunt double was brought in for the actual shooting just in case something went wrong.
By all accounts the cat continues to work in commercials and the occasional movie to this day.
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