Thema: In Other News.. How do your stats compare to other wardens on your server?

Found this neat little page. It compares your stats to other ppl that play your class at your lvl. How does your warden look compared to others?

http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php

Great site, thanks.

It is an interesting tool, original thread on it discussing it a little more in detail.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...O-Stat-Checker

Ahh cool. Found it in my raid groups forums. I think i saw it in that thread too come to think about it. I wanna know who that warden is on Brandywine that has more Vit than me. Im so close to the top i can taste it

Zitat von Erasluindor

Ahh cool. Found it in my raid groups forums. I think i saw it in that thread too come to think about it. I wanna know who that warden is on Brandywine that has more Vit than me. Im so close to the top i can taste it

Keep in mind that each stat could just be a different Warden aiming to get that particular stat as high as they could. Doesn't necessarily mean that they have a good build if they were shooting for the highest Vitality possible.

It's a neat tool though never the less. Nice to know where your character sits amongst other Wardens. It seems I am above average for each stat except for Might, Power, and Critical Hit. I am not DPS traited though so my Critical Hit is quite low. My Might took a little bit of a dive when I switched to the Wyrmscale Protectors Cloak too... but nothing too serious. It still is at about 665. My Power I don't really care about. It's just under 2k but I very rarely have power issues. My ICPR is at ~1500 unbuffed as it is.

Which stat gives Resistance? Is it Vitality? I would guess the same person who has ~2200 Vitality is the one who had 14k Resistance.

Zitat von Elrendos

Keep in mind that each stat could just be a different Warden aiming to get that particular stat as high as they could. Doesn't necessarily mean that they have a good build if they were shooting for the highest Vitality possible.

It's a neat tool though never the less. Nice to know where your character sits amongst other Wardens. It seems I am above average for each stat except for Might, Power, and Critical Hit. I am not DPS traited though so my Critical Hit is quite low. My Might took a little bit of a dive when I switched to the Wyrmscale Protectors Cloak too... but nothing too serious. It still is at about 665. My Power I don't really care about. It's just under 2k but I very rarely have power issues. My ICPR is at ~1500 unbuffed as it is.

Which stat gives Resistance? Is it Vitality? I would guess the same person who has ~2200 Vitality is the one who had 14k Resistance.

Theirs is only a sliver above mine and i think my build has alot of balance to it. Im shooting for the highest vit possible while still having capped mits/large incoming healing pool/ good avoidances/crit defense/high morale pool/ high in combat power regen/resistance. etc... Its possible to have a huge spike stat and still be balanced in other defenses.

I wonder if it takes into account buffs? I think I may be the top might (dps build) warden on my server...lol

It uses my.lotro stats so any buffs you had in there when you checked are counted. I also believe the values are based on people that check their toons instead of a data crawling tool that would get all level capped players. The original thread discusses some of the ways the numbers might mislead, as well as the quote below from the creator. I think it is an interesting tool but isn't the most accurate tool for comparing classes. I still find the best way is to find someone in the game or on the site that you think has it figured out and compare gear via inspection or my.lotro.

Zitat von Harkhonen

Hi all,

Thanks a bunch for all the positive feedback. I wanted to answer a couple of questions from this thread the best I can.

Unfortunately, there is a very limited subset of character data that you can access using the lotro API. Really all you can get is what is currently in the stat checker tool and worn gear (armor, jewelry, etc). So, as much as I would love to do something similar for virtues, that data is not available.

Someone brought up the point that the averages could be kind of wonky for classes that spec in two different directions, e.g. an OP guard vs. a defensive guard. Yep. Perhaps I may get tricky someday and look at the worn gear and try to spilt these classes into sub-types and only compare your toon against the correct sub-type. Doubtful though

The charts are generic Google charts, so I assume they would work in IE, but I don't use it so your mileage may vary.

I'm wondering if a similar compilation of the most frequently worn gear by slot per class & level would be helpful. At the upper levels the armor selection is fairly limited, but it might be useful for jewelry. What do you think?

Also, does anyone know for certain if the data being pulled from the lotro api includes temporary buffs on your character at log off time? From my tests, it does not appear to, but I'm not 100% on that.

Anyhow, thanks again and I'm glad you enjoy using the stat checker.

Hark

P.S. -- The server should stay selected on your last choice now.

LoL. It says I have the most Vit on my server, which is a lie. I know other wardens who has more morale and vits. I guess your stat is saved when you last logged out of your server, and this value could change.

Zitat von Iznogoot

LoL. It says I have the most Vit on my server, which is a lie. I know other wardens who has more morale and vits. I guess your stat is saved when you last logged out of your server, and this value could change.

It wouldn't make it into the system until you typed their name into the tool (or they visited it themselves).

Edit: Just noticed that the comparison isn't server specific. I'm sure it is just required for the my.lotro api but once into the warden data set it doesn't seem to be server specific.

Or I can enter it for them
I should go through my stalk list and enter every single names into this thing.

Zitat von Iznogoot

Or I can enter it for them
I should go through my stalk list and enter every single names into this thing.

Lol.. I was just doing that with all the top players in my kin. I also posted in the original thread asking the builder to list how many players it was comparing to. If you are the first one of your class to use it, you will be tops.

The "max" column is pretty much useless. For example, the max physical mitigation on Landroval says 12,164. Since that's ridiculously over cap I don't think anyone is actually running around and doing anything with that build.

Interesting tool though, I wish there was a way to specify what your build is for so you're not comparing your Tank might vs a DPS warden's might, for example.

Would be cool if it just let you identify your stats based on the Instance Finder choices ("Defense", "Damage, etc), and only counted similarly identified builds in the averages and maxes.

I'm below the average and far from maximum on most stats.

With the exception of Critical Hit, which funnily I have the maximum seen by my class/level.

Looks like I am the only warden stupid enough to build for crits.

Zitat von Nydorewyth

The "max" column is pretty much useless. For example, the max physical mitigation on Landroval says 12,164. Since that's ridiculously over cap I don't think anyone is actually running around and doing anything with that build.

Interesting tool though, I wish there was a way to specify what your build is for so you're not comparing your Tank might vs a DPS warden's might, for example.

Would be cool if it just let you identify your stats based on the Instance Finder choices ("Defense", "Damage, etc), and only counted similarly identified builds in the averages and maxes.

12K mitigations is ridiculously overcap? Doesn't seem so on my build. I need about that to hit 50% mitigations (Physical and Tactical). I usually shoot over with with Carving + ST + SM + Scrolls but thats ok.

But maybe I am reading the tooltips wrong. I'll attached some screenshots when I get home this evening.

I like how my Warden maxed out the physical mitigation part on my server. 13,215

Sadly the site doesn't show builds... but not doing too well in a lot of categories by comparison to the average, lol. Oh well, thats what I get I guess for having my warden only as a 3-4 weeks old 75.

I'm just wondering what the Mitigation cap is at? I looked it up at Lotro Wiki but that is horribly out of date, it only lists the cap as of lvl 65.

I believe my Mitigations are both at around 9k. Do I need to go much higher?

Sorry for this slightly off-topic question.

Zitat von KrisDW

I'm just wondering what the Mitigation cap is at? I looked it up at Lotro Wiki but that is horribly out of date, it only lists the cap as of lvl 65.

I believe my Mitigations are both at around 9k. Do I need to go much higher?

Sorry for this slightly off-topic question.

I haven't dabbled much with tactical mitigations... (Max I can reach is 13k) so I can't offer much there. However, 'Common' Mitigation caps out pretty early on at 50%. Actual Physicial Mitigation caps out ~14k.

Zitat von KrisDW

I'm just wondering what the Mitigation cap is at? I looked it up at Lotro Wiki but that is horribly out of date, it only lists the cap as of lvl 65.

I believe my Mitigations are both at around 9k. Do I need to go much higher?

Sorry for this slightly off-topic question.

All the mits for medium armor are capped at 50% which is ~13k. You can max out tac mitigation without any troubles as we get 4 tac mit/vit where as only 2 mit/vit for physical mits. You shouldn't be looking to cap it unbuffed, you should be hovering around 45% unbuffed and try to squeeze in more morale/bpe.

Percentages are not subject to capps.

Zitat von Shintagh

All the mits for medium armor are capped at 50% which is ~13k. You can max out tac mitigation without any troubles as we get 4 tac mit/vit where as only 2 mit/vit for physical mits. You shouldn't be looking to cap it unbuffed, you should be hovering around 45% unbuffed and try to squeeze in more morale/bpe.

Percentages are not subject to capps.

So basically, with my 9K I'm sitting in a fairly comfortable position?
Currently, I'm working on getting the Isengard Instance Set (Shield way). Are there any specific recommendations for this? I have 3 parts right now, the shoulders, vest and I believe the gloves as well.
Or is it better to get 2 others for the Fist Way for the 2-set bonus on that one?

Thanks for the responses so far by the way

Interesting, I have significantly less vitality than most on my server, nearly twice the might and agility than most, and more on armour, physical mitigation, and tactical mitigation!

My critical hit, b/p/e and finesse are all above average as well. Hurrah!

Zitat von KrisDW

I'm just wondering what the Mitigation cap is at? I looked it up at Lotro Wiki but that is horribly out of date, it only lists the cap as of lvl 65.

I believe my Mitigations are both at around 9k. Do I need to go much higher?

Sorry for this slightly off-topic question.

for common mits your fine. I have around 9k physical mits and my common is capped at 50%. for tactical you need to go a little higher. Without shield tactics im sitting above 12k, but i dont remember the exact number off the top of my head. Total unbuffed tactical mitigation is 46%. With shield tactics and my tactical mitigation buff from shield mastery it sits at 49%. With scrolls and cappy buffs or LMs raven buff its easily capped in raids with my build. aim for ~14k tactical. A little lower is fine if you have scrolls and work in ST regularly for the mits. Hope that helped

Since this thread is a comparison thread and i dont know many wardens on my server to compare with i figured its time to bring it to the forums. For anyone interested Id like to see your stats. This can be used to critique/compare builds. First thing you should do is post what you primarily group as: Tank/Melee DPS/Ranged DPS. This should be done completely unbuffed aside from being in the stance that correlates to your role. (determination- tank / Assailment-ranged dps/ recklessness-melee dps)

I am primarily a tank. so in determination stance i have:
Might -----791
Agility-----182
Vitality---2161
Will---------70
Fate--------95

Critical Hit------------485
Finesse--------------2064
Physical Mastery---8610
Tactical Mastery----4655
Resistance----------7898
Critical Defense----4520
Incoming Heals-----7822
Block----------------7262
Parry----------------3713
Evade---------------2592

I'll play along My warden is specifically built for tanking.



Might -----859
Agility-----286
Vitality---2183
Will---------107
Fate--------130

Critical Hit------------1044
Finesse--------------2064
Physical Mastery---8590
Tactical Mastery----4295
Resistance----------6291
Critical Defense----4540
Incoming Heals-----5451
Block----------------6706
Parry----------------5545
Evade---------------2940

As I thought, entirely average.

Apparently there are 528 Wardens on the Ark.

edit: Actually the number always seems to be 520-529 no matter the name or server entered.

@halproudfoot- what jewelry are you using? You packed in a ton of vit, might, and agi! looks good

My tank build in Determination.

Might ---- 504
Agi ------494
Vit ------1966
Will ------57
Fate -----80

Crit Hit -------1005
Finesse -------4128
Phys Mast ----5840
Tact Mast ----3020

Resistance ----7495
Crit Avoid -----4684
Inc. Heal ------8403

Block -----7684
Parry -----4808
Evade ----4800

Common mit is capped, tactical caps with scrolls.

I'm very happy with this build, the only thing I would change (with available loot that I know about), would be my pocket item which is the Gold-rimmed_Crystal, but I'm still not sure if what I've seen is really better for me or not.

Zitat von horus418

I'm very happy with this build, the only thing I would change (with available loot that I know about), would be my pocket item which is the Gold-rimmed_Crystal, but I'm still not sure if what I've seen is really better for me or not.

Have you looked into the empowered anduin martyrs bauble? The three set bonus for the great river jewelry is pretty nice. There is also a crafted book that gives 95 vit and 685? physical and tactical mits. Its part of the great river crafted scholar items.

My build: Tanking
Might:----------------724
Agility:---------------501
Vitality:---------------2,167
Will:------------------140
Fate:-----------------165

Crit Hit:---------------1,166
Finesse:--------------3,132
Physical Mastery:-----7,240
Tactical Mastery:-----3,620

Resistance:-----------8,740
Crit Def:--------------4,124
Inc Heal:-------------5,275

Block:----------------7,656
Parry:----------------5,761
Evade:---------------4,220

I need to work on my wrist by getting Unbent Knee x1 but maybe another to tinker with

Zitat von danno8

As I thought, entirely average.

Apparently there are 528 Wardens on the Ark.

edit: Actually the number always seems to be 520-529 no matter the name or server entered.

Just a reminder danno. That did not compare you to all the wardens on Ark, only those who had submitted thier names to his test. Its in the fine print.

Zitat von danno8

As I thought, entirely average.

Apparently there are 528 Wardens on the Ark.

edit: Actually the number always seems to be 520-529 no matter the name or server entered.

The count and results are from anyone that has been entered into the utility. I'm guessing the API to scrape the data requires server - but the results are an aggregate of everyone using the tool instead of server specific.

Zitat von Erasluindor

@halproudfoot- what jewelry are you using? You packed in a ton of vit, might, and agi! looks good

Thank You Erasluindor

Currently for jewelry I'm wearing:

Resolute Earring of Theodred

Empowered Anduin Martyr's Earring

Ancient Onyx and Ruby Necklace

Bracelet of Strength Remembered

Bracelet of the Unbent Knee

Ring of Lasting Victory

Empowered Anduin Martyr's Ring

Empowered Anduin Martyr's Bauble



I'm still working on getting the Earring of the Defiant which has been pretty tough to get.

Geared for tanking.

Morale ------ 14391
Power ------ 2243
Armour ----- 6295

Might -----756
Agility-----108
Vitality---1932
Will---------90
Fate--------105

Critical Hit------------1785
Finesse--------------4068
Physical Mastery---8610
Tactical Mastery----4655
Resistance----------7666
Critical Defense----3428
Incoming Heals----- 4000-5320 (Was a lot higher but I changed the incoming healing runes for 10% partials)
Block----------------7376
Parry----------------3787
Evade---------------1032

Unbuffed
Pysical Miti ----- 10.4k
Tactical Miti ----10.6k

Zitat von Erasluindor

Have you looked into the empowered anduin martyrs bauble? The three set bonus for the great river jewelry is pretty nice. There is also a crafted book that gives 95 vit and 685? physical and tactical mits. Its part of the great river crafted scholar items.

That is one of the pieces that I'm looking at, I'm just not sure I want to give up parry, evade and tact. mit for just more morale. I'll still get it and try it, but I'm not sure I'm going to like it.

Zitat von horus418

That is one of the pieces that I'm looking at, I'm just not sure I want to give up parry, evade and tact. mit for just more morale. I'll still get it and try it, but I'm not sure I'm going to like it.

Understandable. I focused my build heavily on stacking morale and incoming heals. Its a pretty good defensive build but my parry and evade suffered a bit for it. Completely raid buffed my parry gets to around 18% and evade is similar so its not horrible but it could be alot better. I will say that the clicky buble is a really nice panic skill.

Zitat von HalProudFoot

I'm still working on getting the Earring of the Defiant which has been pretty tough to get.

It took me awhile to get that one to drop. My kin helped out alot. We started undermanning the skraids that drop it and only allowed tanks to roll for it. I still cant get that bracelet of the unbent knee to drop. I havent seen the RoF t2 tank drop after the first boss yet either.

Have any wardens done a purely ranged offensive build with the porbad set? Im curious to know what kind of numbers a pure ranged dps warden can get

Wow, what a difference 1 level makes. I tried this as a 74 and I had the highest might and a bunch of other stats...compared to TWO other wardens on the 'Delf.

Now that I'm a brand-new 75, I have a higher critical rating and more power than average (out of 713 wardens on Dwarrowdelf). Might is slightly above average...and I'm behind everywhere else.

But I don't have a single piece of Draig gear yet, no Theodred's or Stangard jewelry, and only 1 SA javelin, so...not too worried just yet.

Tank build:

Morale: 16,759 (this will go up to ~17.3k once I get my earring of the defiant and ring of lasting victory)
Power: 2,170
Vitality: 2,246
Might: 538
Agility: 213

Resistance: 8,413
Crit Def: 4,120
Inc heal: 4,894

Block: 6,634 partial mit: 55%
Parry: 4,558 partial mit: 63%
Evade: 2,940 partial mit: 50%

phys mit: 44%
tac mit: 46%


For the people with 7k and above blocks you should cut some of that for Vitality for sure because I'm able to cap my block with SM, Defensive Strike and Enduring Shield Work and if I get shield bash it goes way over cap something like 14.5k.

For the people with 4k evade are you posting those numbers with or without SM? 4.5k unbuffed evade seems awfully high and you must've sacrificed other stuff in the relics. What about your partial mits? I'm just interested in the trade-off you made and whether or not it's worth.

Also raid buffed I'm able to keep my parry at ~22% and if the guard puts protection on me I can cap it so I'm not sure about having 5.5k unbuffed parry as well. Rather invest in Vit/Inc heals etc because those last few percent hardly make a difference.

Having high bpe simply helps you out at the start of the fight when you need to build threat and cannot build defences. The closer to the cap you are to bpe, the greater the chance you will take less damage even if the chance is small. We all try to have a balance build and with better gear hopefully we all will achieve it. To regards to evade, the higher the better. I have 4.4k unbuffed and i want it higher. Have you not seen a burg tanking?