Im laughing hysterically right now at the freeps who hide out all day in EC then complain about being killed after creeps get tired of waiting for them to come out. This is supposedly a zerg??
The OC zergs led by Adino don't go for creeps that hide in OC all day; they go for the unsuspecting creeps that will walk into OC. Lol not to mention that the map is completely blue at this point.......
Hmm no wrong again. Let me give you the real story here which you should know since you sit on creepside until daddy Adino logs in. When daddy Adino logs on and decides to create a group it is almost immediately filled. The B-line is made to TR (inconceivable right?) to which he is maybe 8 times out of 10 met with creep opposition. Generally he is wiped to which he responds with a rally troops call to more freeps and double the numbers At that point all skill is negated by said numbers and creeps are wiped mercilessly by volume. Oh, and they send Goldie too, which I actually appreciate because I got that quest done with NPC help. Thanks daddy Adino! Throughout the night, if creeps meet Adino with any sort of opposition, he multiplies his raid until there is no way creeps can fight back. There is very little opportunity for creeps to do this as they can't just put a call out and get random bodies who just happen to know how to autoattack. Not to mention a good portion of the creeps flip over to raid with daddy Adino (kinda like you, Guner. weird). Eventually creeps log out or give up, not out of fear of fighting in a pvp zone, but usually out of frustration. Good pvp isn't what is being promoted here; it's a game of keep flipping grab-a$$. :s
Akara, you were there for like 5 minutes that I saw. Freeps don't go anywhere but EC so where are the creeps who want kills supposed to go? This is not all about you, don't take it personally lol
I was trying to make a point which you obviously missed
And you saw me there? So you were zerging EC? But you cry when OC gets zerged
I don't think its OK for EC or OC to get repeatedly zergfarmed but I just don't understand the hypocrisy here... I feel like creeps want revenge for when OC gets camped, but they should understand that there is a slim chance of any of the actual Adinoette-culprits actually in EC at those given times... they don't come out without Adino, much less make a bold dash to EC alone, you should all know that
Maybe you could camp GV valley by yourself if you want kills... freeps have to get to EC somehow, durr
I was trying to make a point which you obviously missed
And you saw me there? So you were zerging EC? But you cry when OC gets zerged
In the spirit of objectivity and defense of both sides of the coin...
Because one is witnessing a zerg, does not mean they are necessarily involved.
I would also like to point out, that sometimes it's really easy to mistakenly become involved in one. Example which I think I mentioned earlier and know I apologized to Akara and Meleo for... I came over STAB and found a few freeps and just a few creeps. I immediately joined in and tossed some heals. Next thing I know, 500 wargs and other assorted creeps appeared. I stopped, turned my back on the fight, felt guilty and jerky and watched as they zerged EC. I had no idea until it was too late.
A TA lawn fight recently suffered a similar fate in appearances only. It was a balanced battle, but as freeps were picked off and numbers thinned, it quickly took on the appearance of a zerg. It pushed over STAB into EC for the remaining few that ran for their stars. Now this wasn't a zerg nor an EC farm, it was just part of the fight, but to anyone not there from the start, it would seem it was nothing more than a horde of creeps zerging EC. Granted, at that point, I think it may have become an EC zerg as freeps were unable to regroup and trickling back in from the rez. I can't say for sure, as once it got to that point, I left.
I also recall watching a full on zergfest at EC once, I wasn't involved, just watching off to the side. Creeps started running away as freeps managed to turn the tide and next thing I know, all the freeps turned from following the creeps and made a beeline for me. Easy points I suppose.
It's possible to be at a zerg and not actively taking part. I admit, when I see you post screenies, sometimes I worry that maybe one of those players isn't actively involved. I could easily be captured in an SS as I often just stand around watching and laughing at the absurdity of it all. I know I'm not someone you worry about, but as someone who prefers to try to fight fair, sometimes poop happens and it's incredibly easy to read things wrong.
Originally Posted by astalyn
I don't think its OK for EC or OC to get repeatedly zergfarmed but I just don't understand the hypocrisy here... I feel like creeps want revenge for when OC gets camped, but they should understand that there is a slim chance of any of the actual Adinoette-culprits actually in EC at those given times... they don't come out without Adino, much less make a bold dash to EC alone, you should all know that
It's not even about revenge, if it was, I wouldn't have sat on STAB watching hordes of creeps zerging EC pre-Adino's return.
There are a certain group of freeps that are just as sad who rather enjoyed zerging OC and everything coming out of Grams, also pre-Adino.
There are simply zerglets and failbots on both sides, but to me, this is a greater and different issue than just the usual failbot zerg from either side. There have always been fail players zerging, but there were usually roamers and other things to be found around the map. Now, it's nonstop PvE, hide 'n' seek and unnecessary raiding. There's little to be found away from the facerolling. If creepside was pulling this garbage, I'd say the same thing.
I think most of us in this thread discussing the current state of things are not necessarily part of the problem. Maybe I'm wrong, but seems to me, the big issue in this thread is that people are not looking at WHO is posting, but what side they play and letting their emotions get the better of them.
Just my $0.02.
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I don't know who Sozu's creeps are so I cannot say he was or was not involved, but I doubt he just sat there and watched the infamy flow
Why not? Are you saying people who watch the zerg instead of getting involved are somehow... LOSERS? Like me?! That's it, I'm so going to jump on your head at the next EC zerg! Oh sweet infamy, so much of you have I passed on receiving.
I don't know if he zergballs or not, I know I haven't seen him at the ones I've watched though. I was just trying to balance things out and add a little objectivity since it seemed to be getting too creep vs. freep as opposed to failbot zerglet vs. non-failbot zerglet. Seems most of us here share the same opinions and experiences, but are too focused on battling in favour of one side over the other due to suffering a zerg or some form of failure at the hands of the opposition. And it seems pretty clear who here is a part of the problem and who is not. Personally, I think a majority of players on both sides blow, particularly that Tbow dude.
Akara I was on my WL at the time, on stab killing An. When an EC zerg happens I love to tag him and get the quest out of the way. That's right, I'm the one who tags An when the horde runs out of ec with the whole camp on em ^.~ 100 comms to nom nom.
Now, sometimes I do charge into EC for one or two freeps but that's only when it's been a slow day and every sighting is at EC or it's a pew pew fest that goes from one side of the bridge to the other. Plus it's never with a raid, tops a group of 6 tribemates. I do much better roaming around SoP/Grothum/HH/BV solo and killing unexpecting soloers/questers lol
The point I am trying to make is that creeps are always at ec because there are no other places freeps go until they have numbers or a keep. Creeps go everywhere even on a blue map, because of maps. No reason OC should be violated for hours on end. If freeps had more places to go, it would not be like this, perhaps our next pvp map will be more thought out and give another perm keep/outpost for both sides to head to instead of the same one all day.
The point I am trying to make is that creeps are always at ec because there are no other places freeps go until they have numbers or a keep. Creeps go everywhere even on a blue map, because of maps. No reason OC should be violated for hours on end. If freeps had more places to go, it would not be like this, perhaps our next pvp map will be more thought out and give another perm keep/outpost for both sides to head to instead of the same one all day.
Personally, when I have brought out my mini to the moors and tried to roam, I have found exclusively one or two solo creeps that actually meant to be soloing. Other than that, I have to camp the rez until I get called out, or get camped at GV by a group, or wargpacked... ect
... But it's no better on creepside -- though I haven't played my warg for over three months and I really can't give a good judgement of creepside pvp nowadays... but that should change this week
@Next PvP map comment... I think current moors map would be better if Turbine nuked NPCs from all keeps except outposts and HH/grothum/OG/DG... I mean, they already took out a good chunk of the ones from main keeps and WTAB/STAB (SHHB/WHHB?) and I really think that small change has already improved PvP
The point I am trying to make is that creeps are always at ec because there are no other places freeps go until they have numbers or a keep. Creeps go everywhere even on a blue map, because of maps. No reason OC should be violated for hours on end. If freeps had more places to go, it would not be like this, perhaps our next pvp map will be more thought out and give another perm keep/outpost for both sides to head to instead of the same one all day.
Personally, when I have brought out my mini to the moors and tried to roam, I have found exclusively one or two solo creeps that actually meant to be soloing. Other than that, I have to camp the rez until I get called out, or get camped at GV by a group, or wargpacked... ect
This is how it typically is for me. I have no desire to continually frustrate questers and greendots working on maps, but that is often the case because there are so few creeps who roam outside the main fight.
Sadly I am happy to get Warg packed these days, I have to blow my cooldowns to get a kill before I die but it is better than no kills at all.
The PvP on both sides has declined greatly in the last 2 or so months. With flippers, and zergs, and "I won't kill him/her because he's/she's my friend so I'll just watch you die" junk. Adino coming in makes it worse. Crossing my fingers and hoping that their will be a change sooner or later to both sides of pvp on Ridder .
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"I won't kill him/her because he's/she's my friend so I'll just watch you die" junk.
This has always gone on, but a lot of times it's far more complex than that, imo. And I know I'm not alone in this mentality.
Example, if I come across 1 freep and 1 creep going at it and I don't see either person running away, I'm generally not going to interfere no matter who it is. That's a valid 1v1 and I'm not needed. If the person is just getting completely pounded and has no hope or asks for help, I might jump in.
I recently ran into this. I saw a freep (irrelevant, but I did know the person) and a creep going at it. Neither was running away from the other, both were getting in their licks, so to me that seemed to be a wanted fight. So I wandered off and ignored it. Shortly after QQ commenced in OOC something about "people not helping and siding with freep friends" or whatever bs.
Nope, I just don't interfere in what I perceive to be a legitimate fight regardless of who it is.
As for not killing friends, I kill them, they kill me. However, I will avoid doing it in certain circumstances, zergs for example. I prefer to evaluate a situation before jumping in. This all applies to anyone on either side in the Moors, however, it's not just about people I know and it has always been that way whether I freep or creep.
Many people get upset when you interfere in a 1v1. You try to respect what seems to be a 1v1, you get pooped on. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There are many types of playstyles in the Moors and I TRY to be conscious of and respect that, but unfortunately, that may result in someone's death.
There's no winning with some people. All you can do is play in a way that feels right and fun for you. If playing in that manner results in some QQ, especially if it's a very controversial playstyle (zerging, ganking, etc.), you just gotta brush it off and roll with the punches. Part of PvP is always going to be death, complaining, smack talk and QQ. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be doing it.
No one can nor should ever expect help in PvP unless you are grouped and even then, as with me, I might leave you to hang out to dry if it's a zerg. Of course, I make this known or at least ask if they want me to stay out of it. Plus I tend to only run with suicidal, fun-loving friends who enjoy PvP and don't cry over death and enjoy a challenge and the fight itself, not just easy points. It's like people who complain about not getting heals and start calling healers "fail" and whatnot. Is the healer grouped with you? No? Then sthu.
However, more and more I'm starting to wonder why I continue to bother.
<3 Bonnie
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Example, if I come across 1 freep and 1 creep going at it and I don't see either person running away, I'm generally not going to interfere no matter who it is. That's a valid 1v1 and I'm not needed. If the person is just getting completely pounded and has no hope or asks for help, I might jump in.
I will tell you right now. If i'm fighting a healing mini or a healing warden I WANT you to help me. It's a lost cause otherwise.
I dont pvp much on my creep anymore, so whoever said that, about me switching sides, i do my daily pve getting maps for comms, then i flip freep and roam, if an adino raid comes out, heck yeah ill join but I dont pvp and flip sides when im getting zerged on my creep, i pretty much just do quests on them atm
I had posted something recently, it disappeared. Dem mods!
Originally Posted by astalyn
There were about 5 maybe 6ish freeps around EC... and when the freep numbers grew to about 9 freeps vs 15 creeps, creeps were pushed all the way to TA... I chased 1 spider through his zerg into TA only to have him get defiler heals, which is when I left the moors
What you are saying here is:
"Guise, a person didn't want to let themselves die for me. Life is so unfair guise."
Yes, this happens on both sides and we all moan about it. The difference is that some of us do something about it instead of sitting on our behind complaining about how things are so unfair.
Adino had a huge raid out the other night so what did we do? Made a wargpack to pick off members of his raid. Even res camped Adino and killed him 3 times in a row.
He brought large numbers afterwards to camp OC. What did we do? Made a BA/Heal raid and slaughtered his raid continuously until he decided to go eat, take a bath, save a panda or whatever other excuse he decided on using.
A group of freeps using every cooldown avaliable to kite creeps in EC when the odds are a 4v4? Hop onto warleader instead and kite the npcs so that the other 3 creeps can kill them.
Adino is trying to take all the relics to complete the Moors instance daily? Instead of complaining, Frost jumped onto his burg and ninja'd the relic.
Instead of always complaining about people not playing the way YOU want, learn to deal with it. Yes, it would be ideal if everyone just tried to resolve issues and find a middle ground, but that is not how life works. The ones with power will dictate how things work and due to the amount of freeps Adino can gather, he can often dictate his gamestyle on us. When there are a large amount of creeps zerging a small amount of freeps in EC, then they have the power and thus dictate the flow of combat.
You can either let the opponent dictate their will onto others or you can ensure that you have more power than the opponent so that you may dictate your will instead.
ps: don't see this post as an insult, because it isn't. I am simply trying to help you understand how things work. It is like this and always has been.
What you are saying here is:
"Guise, a person didn't want to let themselves die for me. Life is so unfair guise."
Guise, he's twistin' mah werdz around! Guise!!:
Originally Posted by ivan11787
Instead of always complaining about people not playing the way YOU want, learn to deal with it.
I believe I have stated several times before that I do not care if people aren't "playing my way" ... and calling people out for playing like kittycats when the odds are in their favor is complaining? If you see it that way, then alright.
Found an old post of mine that can somewhat relate to this:
Originally Posted by astalyn
It's a game, each player is entitled to play it however he or she pleases. The game wasn't "designed" for specifically raiding; if it were, there would be no option to run alone or leave fellowship. You can raid, fellow, solo, ect. because each are viable options.
I call people zerglets and raidbabies because they are have been so caught up in farming and rolling over smaller numbers in larger groups from the first time the set foot in the moors that they have no idea how to actually play their class against another player (while they may be star-players in PvE, they suck at PvP). I'm talking about the rank 9s+ who run away from one creep when it's a face-off (you all know who I'm talking about...).
Raiding isn't a bad thing. Grouping isn't a bad thing. It's when you do it so often that you forget how your class works in the moors because you're so used to pressing 1-2-3 and watching your target melt under the DPS of 20 other people.
No insult taken. I know how things work too, I've been here for a while.
I believe I have stated several times before that I do not care if people aren't "playing my way" ... and calling people out for playing like kittycats when the odds are in their favor is complaining? If you see it that way, then alright.
Found an old post of mine that can somewhat relate to this:
No insult taken. I know how things work too, I've been here for a while.
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Yet, you are telling people to stop complaining. Yet you are saying that people play differently now that they used to. You are calling people out for hypocrisy, while playing the same way. Hypocrisy in calling hypocrisy. There is space for an xzibit meme here somewhere.
Yet, you are telling people to stop complaining. Yet you are saying that people play differently now that they used to. You are calling people out for hypocrisy, while playing the same way. Hypocrisy in calling hypocrisy. There is space for an xzibit meme here somewhere.
/Aza
You raid babies really stick up for each other, don't ya Azadino? She's not complaining about anyone's play style but those who interfere with hers; which is reasonable. Don't be so offended when someone calls out one of your kind for being intolerant of other play styles.
Raid babies often complain about soloers interfering with their play style by soloing them on their way back to the raid from a rez circle; and that's alright. So what do we do about it? We LOL!
There were about 5 maybe 6ish freeps around EC... and when the freep numbers grew to about 9 freeps vs 15 creeps, creeps were pushed all the way to TA... I chased 1 spider through his zerg into TA only to have him get defiler heals, which is when I left the moors
Originally Posted by spetey
Raid babies often complain about soloers interfering with their play style by soloing them on their way back to the raid from a rez circle; and that's alright. So what do we do about it? We LOL!
Let's keep the personal attacks aimed towards the person for whom this thread was made for whoever that guy is. And for the love of all that is great and wonderful, can we please talk about how amazing my drawing is? You know, the one Tbow took the liberty of posting.
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