Thread: Adino!

Spoken like a true nub, Whoop. 2 months creepside hardly qualifies you to say anything productive.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Spoken like a true nub, Whoop. 2 months creepside hardly qualifies you to say anything productive.

This is a pathetic form of argument, not simply because I've been around a very long time, whether you realize it or not, but also because it doesn't address anything I've said, and is merely an attack upon me.

Troll harder, old man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

p.s. since we're doing personal attacks... I'm thinking high school dropout?

No need to, your doing a fabulous job now yourself Your kinda cute when you get mad

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

No need to, your doing a fabulous job now yourself Your kinda cute when you get mad

"You're" x 2. Just more evidence for my p.s. in the previous post . Seems like you're failing pretty hard in forum PVP today.

Sorry cupcake, I dont set out to succeed or fail in forums. Just posting. How you perceive it is your problem not mine.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Sorry cupcake, I dont set out to succeed or fail in forums. Just posting. How you perceive it is your problem not mine.

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Originally Posted by Boyfriend

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Noob, it's Alt-F4.

Originally Posted by Boyfriend

It seems to me that he addressed each of your points individually, and explained how you were mistaken (at least in his opinion). You seem to be projecting here, regarding trolling with 'witty repetitive retorts' (with the proviso that your retorts are merely repetitive, being sophomoric at best).

I actually helped wipe Aza's small group twice, and I feel bad about it. I hate flush maps, whether it's red or blue. Kills what little action there usually is, outside of EC farms. I only did it because I had previously been chased/killed by Jong and 4-6 other freeps a couple times (Jong was tanking).

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Don't bother man. I do actually think he is upset, because he has been replying to each of my posts with 2 individual posts. It is rather odd.

I would have preferred had you not stopped us from getting a res, but you got some kills on our group and we got some kills on the creeps that stopped us. Can't complain about that.

I can complain about your constant disarms though. :P
Either you or devestated kept disarming me and I didn't have any wound pots. I think you were down to 1500 morale at one point when most of our group had wiped at lugz. I was trying to finish you, but those 5 seconds of disarm ended up being too much for my squishy rk

/Aza

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Sorry scrub, you need to try harder than that. 2 creeps, 12 freeps, inc you in OC. Good stuff. You have no respect from anyone creepside, so who believes what you say anyways? You serve the side that best suits Azas needs. Common knowledge. Your troll style you copy from Atara re quoting everything I already said and putting a witty repetitive retort is assinine at best. Seems Silvers hit the nail on the head about you. haha, who would have thought. Your making up numbers to make it diminish your fail pve campaign last night freepside is hilarious. Why dont you come ask the creeps who watched you? Stick to one side fail Adino wanna be. At the VERY least Adino is consistent. You say troll the man one day, then 10 mins later raid up with him. And do you really want to go down that insult road with me? Hardly. Certainly not after what I went out of my way to do. Oops, have I said too much?

Try hittin me up post puberty with some better retorts, and Prince called...he wants his hairdo and butterfly collars back.

Haha. It's true that Aza is an Adino clone now, but they are slightly different...oh wait, no they're not. :/

Boyfriend = Lemblod. Just sayin.

[OOC] Adino: 'back from lunch - building group to take keeps and flip map. /pst'

nuff said.

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

Boyfriend = Lemblod. Just sayin.

Wrong. Just sayin.

A few people were under that impression, based solely on the fact that him and I are (allegedly) never online at the same time. Kind of a moot point, since he quit, though -- see the Shiroyasha grats thread. He actually corpse-jumped me a couple times, on Braxdred, when I first started out. (Some people might remember me complaining about "Barxdred" a few weeks ago. Well, probably nobody will :P.)

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Testing new signature.

edit: wow, it works! I'm now Jawbreaker, so I guess I should start posting like him . Adjust yer bras, ladies! etc.

Originally Posted by Boyfriend

Wrong. Just sayin.

Well it's better than people thinking you are Evenia. I could have sworn with all the ooc stuff you were saying the other night... ^.~

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

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Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

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Marry me?

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Where are the screen shots of the huge craids/mobs of non grouped creeps zerging EC?

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Your troll style you copy from Atara re quoting everything I already said and putting a witty repetitive retort is assinine at best

</3 fine

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

This argument is irrevelant, as neither side is going to admit wrong, and neither side is going to agree with the other.

Both sides are wrong.

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Everybody chastises Adino because he doesn't lead raids the way everyone else wants. I, too, am not a huge fan of most of his tendencies and antics.

My point? If you think you can do better and if you think you know what is best for the community... why aren't you the one leading raids? Why aren't you stepping up?

And while I agree that voicing opinions and feelings on the way he impacts the Riddermoors community is acceptable, I'm starting to dislike the way everyone is always complaining (and yes, I am beginning to see comments more along the lines of complaints now rather than opinions) about the way he leads his raids.

If you can do better... let's see it.

Originally Posted by astalyn

My point? If you think you can do better and if you think you know what is best for the community... why aren't you the one leading raids? Why aren't you stepping up?

Because I'm not a zerglet, and I'm not a bad player.

Originally Posted by spetey

Because I'm not a zerglet, and I'm not a bad player.

Leading a raid defensively once in a while does not mean you are a bad player or a zerglet.

Originally Posted by astalyn

Everybody chastises Adino because he doesn't lead raids the way everyone else wants. I, too, am not a huge fan of most of his tendencies and antics.

Most peoples problem with him is that majority of the people in his raid don't come out unless he is out with a raid. Also, he says he wants pvp but he ninja's keep so much and so often that we have to continiously check the keeps to make sure he doesn't. Flipping a whole map blue near prime time effectively decreases the potential for that night. If he was more serious about wanting good pvp he would attempt to do somewhat balanced fights open field instead of calling out in glff for more freeps.

Originally Posted by astalyn

Leading a raid defensively once in a while does not mean you are a bad player or a zerglet.

But as soon as you lead a raid you start getting little newbies constantly sending you tells asking if you have a raid so they can safely come to Ettenmoors. It's like feeding a stray, once you give it food once, it will keep coming back for more.

Originally Posted by spetey

But as soon as you lead a raid you start getting little newbies constantly sending you tells asking if you have a raid so they can safely come to Ettenmoors.

As a new PvMPer, you have to start somewhere. See my previous post:

Originally Posted by astalyn

...And that's the problem. Freeps have the largest impact on newbie creeps, they really do. If a new player rolls a freever and is constantly ganked/farmed by the same burg at the slugs, do you think that new player is going to ever log onto his/her freever again? Probably not. It's the same when Adino has a raid clearing OC and sitting in it to farm the newbie creeps that walk in. Do you think those creeps will ever want to play again? Do you think they will be more inclined to solo and help themselves to PvP, or ask for a raid every time they log on to avoid being farmed and harassed?

The above is also applicable to new freeps. I'm sure you know that running out in the moors on an unranked freep is like ringing the creeps' dinner bell (the other night I got a nosebleed because I saw a seemingly solo newbie champ! I got excited).

I used to group up/raid with Gurtha all the time until I hit rank 6 on Akara... and look how I turned out... oh wait

Originally Posted by astalyn

As a new PvMPer, you have to start somewhere. See my previous post:



The above is also applicable to new freeps. I'm sure you know that running out in the moors on an unranked freep is like ringing the creeps' dinner bell (the other night I got a nosebleed because I saw a seemingly solo newbie champ! I got excited).

I used to group up/raid with Gurtha all the time until I hit rank 6 on Akara... and look how I turned out... oh wait

Learning the wrong way doesn't help anyone. You don't need to learn how to PvP by being a raid baby; it won't help you become a better player down the road at all.

Originally Posted by spetey

Learning the wrong way doesn't help anyone. You don't need to learn how to PvP by being a raid baby; it won't help you become a better player down the road at all.

I never said you learn how to PvP by being a raid baby. I said everyone needs to start somewhere -- and currently, Adino is the only person freepside that is willing to help the newer players, he just happens to lead raids.

Originally Posted by astalyn

I never said you learn how to PvP by being a raid baby. I said everyone needs to start somewhere -- and currently, Adino is the only person freepside that is willing to help the newer players, he just happens to lead raids.

Only he's not helping them; he's teaching them how to be raid babies and indoctrinating them to hate soloers.

Originally Posted by spetey

Only he's not helping them; he's teaching them how to be raid babies and indoctrinating them to hate soloers.

You can't expect everyone to solo from the minute they first enter the moors. And while I agree that he's not helping them to better their individual play and be a stable player both solo and raided up, he's providing the first thing new players look for: a way to escape being killed -- which is why newer players flock to him.

edit; But hey, thanks for personally telling me I'm dumb.

Originally Posted by spetey

Meleo's hateful words to Akara.

Originally Posted by astalyn

Akara's hateful words to Meleo.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Gundamir, since you clearly lack the insight about that screenshot, thats a rank 2 weaver, 4 skills, grey barred inside OC with 5 rank 8 freeps on him. And a rank 8 mini bubbled, while the rank 2 weaver is grey barred and near death. Little different that one or two creeps charging into EC to get a freep who is pew pewing them from the ramparts fool. I was there turning in a quest to get my crude TA map. You tracked me all the way from lug x roads, and game on. Just setting te record straight chuckles

You still miss the point, Tbow. The hypocrisy of posting screenshots to show how callous and unmerciful freeps are toward low ranking creeps is what is in question here. You post these shots as a fail attempt to troll freeps and creeps and convince somebody, God only knows who, that a grievous offense has taken place and all should jump on the QQ band wagon and diss every freep that raids or does exactly what you do on creepside. Are these screenshots posted with the assumption that we will accept them as empirical and infallible evidence at the same time? That ain't happening. Who are you trying to convince???

Where are your screen shots of large craids zerging EC for one or two squishy freeps?

I know you have helped to zerg EC with more than just two or three creeps at a time. I have seen EC almost full to capacity with creeps that are hell bent on zerging just a couple of freeps, and I have seen you there. The attempt to minimize what creeps do by stating, "Little different that one or two creeps charging into EC to get a freep who is pew pewing them from the ramparts fool.", doesn't cut it. We all know that is hogwash!

As far as getting zerged while turning in a quest to get your precious map; how many times have freeps been zerged while turning in, or doing quests? Poor pitiful you!...

What I do know is that you used to be Adino's friend when you played on freepside; or was that just a fail attempt to fit in? What made you decide to change your attitude and start hating? You used to run in his raids.

As for people flipping sides to join a winning side, or a pve side (freepside to creepside, and back again); where is your condemnation of the other creeps that have done this on a regular basis? I am not defending Aza, he can defend himself. But I do note that this kind of trolling/criticism is selective at best and only reserved for those you care to offend, and that you are silent regarding those that you appear afraid to offend.

As for my writing style, that is my style of writing. I write like that for a living. As far as I am concerned, you can lump it if you don't like it. I otherwise don't give a creeps backside what you think of my writing style...See you in the Moors!

Originally Posted by astalyn

Words of truth.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to astalyn again.

Dang, and I still had 4 more posts to +rep.

Originally Posted by spetey

Only he's not helping them; he's teaching them how to be raid babies and indoctrinating them to hate soloers.

They can think for themselves. They chose how to play. Adino never forced them to raid, he never forced them to be raid babies, he never forced them to do anything. If I wanted to be a raid baby, I could change my playstyle in a heartbeat. Then if I wanted to be a soloer again, I could change that just as quickly.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard;614 2395

I was there turning in a quest to get my crude TA map. You tracked me all the way from lug x roads, and game on. Just setting te record straight chuckles

Here is a theme song to go with your photos and QQ, Tbow.

Enjoy!!!

This thread has gotten so good I ran out of popcorn. Here I brought some more.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

You still miss the point, Tbow. The hypocrisy of posting screenshots to show how callous and unmerciful freeps are toward low ranking creeps is what is in question here. You post these shots as a fail attempt to troll freeps and creeps and convince somebody, God only knows who, that a grievous offense has taken place and all should jump on the QQ band wagon and diss every freep that raids or does exactly what you do on creepside. Are these screenshots posted with the assumption that we will accept them as empirical and infallible evidence at the same time? That ain't happening. Who are you trying to convince???

Where are your screen shots of large craids zerging EC for one or two squishy freeps?

I know you have helped to zerg EC with more than just two or three creeps at a time. I have seen EC almost full to capacity with creeps that are hell bent on zerging just a couple of freeps, and I have seen you there. The attempt to minimize what creeps do by stating, "Little different that one or two creeps charging into EC to get a freep who is pew pewing them from the ramparts fool.", doesn't cut it. We all know that is hogwash!

As far as getting zerged while turning in a quest to get your precious map; how many times have freeps been zerged while turning in, or doing quests? Poor pitiful you!...

What I do know is that you used to be Adino's friend when you played on freepside; or was that just a fail attempt to fit in? What made you decide to change your attitude and start hating? You used to run in his raids.

As for people flipping sides to join a winning side, or a pve side (freepside to creepside, and back again); where is your condemnation of the other creeps that have done this on a regular basis? I am not defending Aza, he can defend himself. But I do note that this kind of trolling/criticism is selective at best and only reserved for those you care to offend, and that you are silent regarding those that you appear afraid to offend.

As for my writing style, that is my style of writing. I write like that for a living. As far as I am concerned, you can lump it if you don't like it. I otherwise don't give a creeps backside what you think of my writing style...See you in the Moors!

WELL WELL WELL. If captain Rundamir from a Rank 0 warg isnt growing a set. Well done, Commander Fail About time you stuck up for yourself. Heres the problem. You talk about stuff like you actually do or mean or prove it. Ahem. Try again.

You want to talk about playstyles, darlin? Lets have a little chit chat about yours shall we? You seem to have no problem calling other people out for the way they play, but cry like a 2 year old toddler who phooed his diaper when someone talks about you.
Of all the people to talk about respectable playstyles, son...your the last. We rank you a rung above Evenia, Lofi, and Phyliss. You only get that extra rung because you still raid your way to victory and reknown. You talk a big game for someone who has never, that I have seen, been able to kill a single creep heads up..no matter rank. Oh the chuckles were flowing the other night when you hauled a$$ from a rank 2 reaver to Adinos bosom. Tell me, Rundamir, when your King calls out feeding time, are the bottles passed out in GV? Or is that a responsibility of you to bring? I imagine not, since sippy cups can be found at the vendor. Meh. ./shrug.

Talking about Adino and me, I am quite sure you dont need to put words in his mouth or fight his fight. Better leave that to the big boys. You keep on being adept at being you. Besides, we found a field of diseased piglets in Breeland more suited to your hunting style and skill level.

Aw this is fun, Commander Gundamir! We need to do this more often.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

but cry like a 2 year old toddler who phooed his diaper

What's phooed, precious? What's phooed?

<3 Bonnie

Momma talkin to me try to tell me how to live

but i don't listen to her cause my head is like a sieve

Why don't all 3 of you accept that your all wrong and move on with life. The argument is ridiculous, especially since none of you are willing to even admitt that you may or may not be wrong.

Tbow, for a person who says he doens't care about how others play, you sure do act like you do.

I need to stop posting and reading the forum posts, it seems to be unhealthy.

And are my eyes wrong. I could have sworn MildSevens join date said Dec 1969....0.o

You seem to have an opinion on everything that does not involve you. Just an observation. Carry on

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Why don't all 3 of you accept that your all wrong and move on with life. The argument is ridiculous, especially since none of you are willing to even admitt that you may or may not be wrong.

Tbow, for a person who says he doens't care about how others play, you sure do act like you do.

I need to stop posting and reading the forum posts, it seems to be unhealthy.

And are my eyes wrong. I could have sworn MildSevens join date said Dec 1969....0.o

MildSeven was my forum account from Beta. Had that and later this login ID get screwed up until they fixed it last fall.

Tis me old account!

1969 baby! Your guess is as good as mine on that one, but yeah, I'm totally an OLD SCHOOL FOOL

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Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

WELL WELL WELL. If captain Rundamir from a Rank 0 warg isnt growing a set. Well done, Commander Fail About time you stuck up for yourself. Heres the problem. You talk about stuff like you actually do or mean or prove it. Ahem. Try again.

You want to talk about playstyles, darlin? Lets have a little chit chat about yours shall we? You seem to have no problem calling other people out for the way they play, but cry like a 2 year old toddler who phooed his diaper when someone talks about you.
Of all the people to talk about respectable playstyles, son...your the last. We rank you a rung above Evenia, Lofi, and Phyliss. You only get that extra rung because you still raid your way to victory and reknown. You talk a big game for someone who has never, that I have seen, been able to kill a single creep heads up..no matter rank. Oh the chuckles were flowing the other night when you hauled a$$ from a rank 2 reaver to Adinos bosom. Tell me, Rundamir, when your King calls out feeding time, are the bottles passed out in GV? Or is that a responsibility of you to bring? I imagine not, since sippy cups can be found at the vendor. Meh. ./shrug.

Talking about Adino and me, I am quite sure you dont need to put words in his mouth or fight his fight. Better leave that to the big boys. You keep on being adept at being you. Besides, we found a field of diseased piglets in Breeland more suited to your hunting style and skill level.

Aw this is fun, Commander Gundamir! We need to do this more often.

BAHAHAHAHA...C'mon, Tbow, you can do better than that.

I used to be able to kill creeps heads up without a problem. But, sadly, not as often since U6. Even other creeps have enough moxie to admit that they target hunters, and other squishies because we have poor mitigations and are easier to kill, and that they zerg EC in large numbers at times. I think you got a little bit of a sore butt because you got called on your hypocrisy. Tell you what, Tbow, you get on your hunter and go try to 1v1 a warg using the new buffs before you buck up.

You can laugh at me all you want, dude. I am glad I gave you something to chuckle about after all the sad QQing you have been laying out. If you think this reply is going to anger me then you are sadly mistaken. And yes, I got a little bit miffed when some creep troll decided to use my name in-game because I trolled heavy on one of your beloved creeps after he trolled me. Even the other creeps agreed that using someone's RL name in-game is dead wrong and going too far. I notice you decide to try and fall back on that as a legitimate argument. Nice try! I guess that means you are at wits end and can't come up with anything else. I will leave the diseased pigs for you to tackle. I wouldn't want to deprive you of any squishy ezmoder targets, you may want to get another warg or two to help you; don't forget to cc them and use your flayer stance and bubble.

Anyway, I posted what I needed to post. I won't reply to any more of your posts. I am sorry you are still unable to understand the gist of what my original reply was about, and I really thought you would appreciate the humor in the video I posted, but I guess not.

All I can say about this is don't hate and adhere to the Dark Side. Anger, fear and hatred tend to spread. While Adino has always been very helpful and supportive towards the members of the raids, it looks like he is now beginning to hate the creeps really badly and act sadistically at times. I haven't noticed that before the update. I guess it's partially caused by all the tells he's getting, these posts, etc. Here are a few memorable fresh Adino's quotes to cheer the haters up:

"Welcome to the Moors! Here's how we treat them!" (when a raid zerged a r0 reaver)
"Kill them all, chase them down like rats. I've never been chasing rats...or can we say I have since I've been chasing creeps?" (chuckles)
"Why is the map red again? One of you guys needs to step up and make sure it stays blue 24/7, even when I am not on".

Maybe if you gave him more respect and credit for being an awesome leader, he would also be nicer to you? The same is true for other freeps. When Adino left, most of the time the map was red, the freeps were greatly outnumbered, and many of the less experienced and badly-geared ones (not to mention lousy players) were suffering a lot. Naturally, after a few months of this torment many of them started wanting sweet revenge like hell, forgetting any moral principles. And now they are happy to team up and beat the creeps even in OC since they remember how they couldn't even leave GV without getting ganked by warg-packs. Payback time!

On a personal note, I can say that this phenomenon hasn't affected me much. Maybe it's because I was still able to solo efficiently and get a lot of kills/maintain my rating even at the worst time for the freeps. However, at some point the Moors became very boring to me. 1 vs 1 with hypocritical creeps (don't use skills; get ganked for nothing sometimes) are boring; getting ganked at EC is not fun; killing small groups (1-4) of weak creeps around the map gets you hated and called out; trying to capture keeps or fight in the open field leads to getting run over by a craid (since there were not fraids around). Hence, I am surprised that some people can't perceive this elementary idea: most people play in a certain way because they enjoy it, not because they are so bad they can't play any other way. I like fights in keeps more than on open terrain since keeps offer additional opportunities and add some excitement (will the tyrant go down, who's on the flag and so on). I prefer large group fights to 1 vs 1, although I can win like 95% of the 1 vs 1s (typing this disclaimer just to avoid hearing that stupid argument that people who don't like 1 vs 1 are simply bad at it). So, whenever I can engage in serious action with big numbers, I do it. When I can't, it's fine, I will just be running around solo.

P.S. For the sake of fairness, I would like to state that, in my opinion (the key phrase here), about 80% of the players in Adino's raids are really bad. They have no idea about team work, are undergeared, have low virtues, can't take advantage of the terrain, are cowardish, etc. However, like Akara has correctly pointed out, everyone needs to start from something. Yes, most noobs are indeed noobs and raid-babies. But it doesn't mean that any raided player sucks, or that any soloer is a hero. It depends. Besides, most people view LOTRO as a casual entertainment and have no ambitions to excel in it. So why blame them for being noobs? Also, everything is relative. People tend to define "bad" in comparison with their own level (or their self-esteem). Therefore, the best players on the server like to groan about how terrible everyone around them is only because they are (or because they think those people are) somewhat worse than them in terms of skill. But does that instantly make them BAD players?

Originally Posted by Otdanon

"Welcome to the Moors! Here's how we treat them!" (when a raid zerged a r0 reaver)
"Kill them all, chase them down like rats. I've never been chasing rats...or can we say I have since I've been chasing creeps?" (chuckles)
"Why is the map red again? One of you guys needs to step up and make sure it stays blue 24/7, even when I am not on".

Lmao, if anything this makes me like Adino even more. Guy's got a sense of humor. I mean I could say that he's a sociopath for dehumanizing players who just happened to choose the opposite faction, but instead I will assume that these comments were meant tongue-in-cheek and he doesn't really think that creeps are rats to be exterminated.

Otdanon, I agree with you. Most of the players that Adino brings out are casual players. They just wanna chill with their bros/spouses and have fun. They don't care who grouped with who or use cooldowns or store consumables or traited a certain way. They just wanna unwind after work and make freavers eat dirt. I get it. As long as you realize that the people you are killing are just that-- people.