Thread: Adino!

Originally Posted by Altogo

call me a raid baby...you just enjoy personal attacks on others

Originally Posted by Altogo

If you lash out at anyone who questions you, you are just going to suffer heart ache and regret in life

Wow. So calling you a raid baby (which IS a fact, not even necessarily a bad thing but you obviously think so since you're acting so insulted by it) is a personal attack... but telling me I am going to suffer heartache and regret in life isn't?

If you are feeling that I personally attacked you by calling you something that you ARE, I really must have hurt your feelings and you really must not like being called a raid baby. Why don't you go cry to Adino about it and make your raid kill me for you?

I absolutely love how the moment I show up the entire raid immediately switches off their main target to FF me.

[Raid] Adino: "Everyone FF Akara, she called Altogo a raid baby on the forums. Let's show her that by using 24 of us to kill her we're not raid babies!"

Lol. Makes me feel all fuzzy inside.

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

how is he the scapegoat for Ridder's problems?

He transferred here from Gladden because people got sick of him cloning another warden who taught him this ninja keep style. He targeted the newest server with the lowest ranks and brought that style here.

That said, yesterday was fun. Not too many keep ninjas and freeps seemed like they were not afraid they would die irl if they died in game. Except certain sprint boot wearing guards but baby steps, baby steps. I played for about 5 hours yesterday and got pretty good infamy across all 6 of my creeps while having fun. Something I can't say I've had in quite some time on Ridder. Hopefully he reads these forums and adjusts even a bit to have more fights and less hide and seek.

Continue flaming and fighting.

If history is any indicator, all speedy boots Guards will eventually make creeps and realize what all the whining is about (and then subsequently quit)

Originally Posted by Coulthard14

As far as I can tell, Adino and his raid crews aren't interested in actual PvP, and in fact generally avoid it whenever possible. As opposed to massing numbers to assault a keep, they mass numbers to ninja them. If there is anything like resistance they generally leave and try to ninja a different keep. That is the undeniable pattern, repeated daily.

Creep raids have no such pattern. I don't group much now but have many times in the past and the point of grouping wasn't to flip keeps for the sake of flipping them with as little opposition as possible, it was to engage in battle, and if a keep was defended we attacked it all-out even if we wiped. If we were assaulting a keep with a large raid we wanted the freeps to be there and wanted a knock-down drag-out fight. Adino and crew seem to want the exact opposite of this. They avoid tough fights. When presented with them they retreat and either go somewhere else, hide, or log most of the time.

Wow, you could not be more wrong... I personally haven't witnessed a single drop pull in any of his raids since he came back. It's always a middle landing or top floor push then clear the npcs, pull the tyrant and burn it with killing creeps as #1 priority. If there is resistance we fight it out to get kills and bail the side when things get tough - just like any creep raid. Retreating is part of any fight with large numbers. I also have no idea where the part about hiding and logging came in either because that never happens. When the map is blue the raid will either disband and people may log, or the raid may stop calling targets if there are enough creeps still and try to get fights between grams and lugz.

For example, last night the map was mostly red with the freeps controlling TR, Adino had a full freep raid against larger creep numbers (don't know what their raid status was although I saw Aza out for a while). Both sides were getting lots of kills, both sides had tactical retreats, and the fighting lasted for at least 3 hours or longer - correct me if I'm wrong.

Reading the forums shouldn't be you're only way of judging the man

Creeps didn't raid on principle/because we're too stupid although with the amount of healing freepside we needed it. I mean I would be attacking a low-rank hunter and suddenly 3 chord of salvations pop on him.

Whoever leads raids catches a ton of flak, regardless of what they do. I feel for Adino here, I really do. There's always going to be criticism. Aza is getting hit with it now. No matter how you hold yourself or what tactics you use, someone's going to cry. So when people are like hey Thorn you're a veteran, step up, I shrink. We'll see about the future though.

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Reading the forums shouldn't be you're only way of judging the man

I truly hope that people are judging him based solely on the in game actions that they personally witness. The forums are so full of back and forth banter that it would be easy to get a skewed opinion of anyone if you believed anything that forumites posted.

Quite frankly I judge him from the perspective of a long time Ettenmoors player and (IMO) from the perspective of a Warden. I cringe when I see him out in the ettens because he is such an awful example to other Warden players. The majority of the low ranked Wardens that I see in his raids literally emulate his every move, and most of the time those actions are poorly reasoned and brutally ineffective.

When I see multiple Wardens in his raid sitting in Assailment spamming EoB and Resoluation almost exclusively I have the urge to flip to my freep and chew them out. There are such better stands of play than emulating someone that only knows how to ambush and turtle with HoTs up.

/flame on
/IBTB
/IBTL
/Citadel Guard

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Wow, you could not be more wrong... I personally haven't witnessed a single drop pull in any of his raids since he came back. It's always a middle landing or top floor push then clear the npcs, pull the tyrant and burn it with killing creeps as #1 priority. If there is resistance we fight it out to get kills and bail the side when things get tough - just like any creep raid. Retreating is part of any fight with large numbers. I also have no idea where the part about hiding and logging came in either because that never happens. When the map is blue the raid will either disband and people may log, or the raid may stop calling targets if there are enough creeps still and try to get fights between grams and lugz.

For example, last night the map was mostly red with the freeps controlling TR, Adino had a full freep raid against larger creep numbers (don't know what their raid status was although I saw Aza out for a while). Both sides were getting lots of kills, both sides had tactical retreats, and the fighting lasted for at least 3 hours or longer - correct me if I'm wrong.

Reading the forums shouldn't be you're only way of judging the man

I judge by observation. Watched Friday while LC tyrant was pulled to hill. Watched last weekend while Freep raid pulled back and sat in LC before moving off to take an OP instead of re-engaging creeps. And have in the same time period seen failed attempts at taking keeps followed by moving to a different keep instead of continuing the fight. This is just the past week the 3 or 4 days I've been on. And of course it just adds to the long history of doing the same. I've played this game since Beta 1, and have played on both sides and on multiple servers, I know what I'm watching.

Why does Meleo respond to what I said about Akara? I mean I actually quoted her and everything, so it was clear I was talking directly to her. Did I make a mistake and quote him instead?


Either way, I have no ill will towards you Akara. We have had some nice 1v1s and we tangle often when I am out raid babying it up. I respect you as a player and at first was just teasing you for an ill typed post. In case you didnt know, I also play creep side often and have several mid ranked creeps. I understand your point and agree with most of it. I am sorry you took my teasing so personally and I am sorry I took your reaction so personally.

I would much rather we kill each other on friendly terms and have fun, than have vile in our mouths and spit on our faces. I am sorry if my humor was not perceived or ill communicated.

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Wow, you could not be more wrong... I personally haven't witnessed a single drop pull in any of his raids since he came back. It's always a middle landing or top floor push then clear the npcs, pull the tyrant and burn it with killing creeps as #1 priority. If there is resistance we fight it out to get kills and bail the side when things get tough - just like any creep raid. Retreating is part of any fight with large numbers. I also have no idea where the part about hiding and logging came in either because that never happens. When the map is blue the raid will either disband and people may log, or the raid may stop calling targets if there are enough creeps still and try to get fights between grams and lugz.

For example, last night the map was mostly red with the freeps controlling TR, Adino had a full freep raid against larger creep numbers (don't know what their raid status was although I saw Aza out for a while). Both sides were getting lots of kills, both sides had tactical retreats, and the fighting lasted for at least 3 hours or longer - correct me if I'm wrong.

Reading the forums shouldn't be you're only way of judging the man

He has been doing less drop pulls, I'll give you that. However if you have 5-6 minstrels healing then you can easily just aggro every npc and aoe it to death.

As for killing creeps as a priority, just yesterday when the fraid tried to take TA 2-3 times, it focused all dps on the tyrant and ignored creeps in an attempt to flip it. Even got the tyrant down to 1000 morale before the fraid wiped. The close call did make it quite epic, but the killing creeps as a number 1 priority is incorrect. While it may the case sometimes, it isnt always.

The last time I raided was 3-4 days ago and the freep raid disbanded and logged 5 minutes after we formed. As for yesterday, most creeps were ungrouped with some being in small groups. I will give him some credit for the back and forth fighting between EC and TA, although there was no need to heal stack later on against ungrouped creeps.

edit: right now when you just got zerged at WTA. All those creeps were running to TA because he rushed there onto the tyrant in order to kill it before creeps could arrive to defend it

/Aza

Dude has brought the fight and say what you want about his tactics but he groups up with froobs and gives them hope when they would just be gettin steamrolled to GV.

Originally Posted by Altogo

teasing you for an ill typed post

My post was not ill-typed, you only perceived it as such.

Originally Posted by Altogo

In case you didnt know, I also play creep side often and have several mid ranked creeps.

Good, then you can better yourself to see both factions' views on things and not have freep/creep goggles on.

Originally Posted by Altogo

I am sorry you took my teasing so personally and I am sorry I took your reaction so personally

I didn't know you were teasing me, I thought (as you said) you were trying to discuss my opinion with me. I didn't know responding to my post being called out was taking your "teasing" personally.

Originally Posted by Altogo

I would much rather we kill each other on friendly terms and have fun

Originally Posted by Altogo

We have ZERO obligation to ensure their time is fun.

...I have zero obligation to ensure your time is fun

Originally Posted by apb8808

Dude has brought the fight and say what you want about his tactics but he groups up with froobs and gives them hope when they would just be gettin steamrolled to GV.

Spoken like a true 1v1 ganking zerglet.

My post was not ill-typed, you only perceived it as such.

I did acknowledge that could be the case.

Good, then you can better yourself to see both factions' views on things and not have freep/creep goggles on.

I agree. Most of my kinnies and friends in this game play nothing BUT creep right now. Like I said before, I agreed with you, I just thought your delivery was a little weak and that was my misunderstanding.

I didn't know you were teasing me, I thought (as you said) you were trying to discuss my opinion with me. I didn't know responding to my post being called out was taking your "teasing" personally.

I was, but I tend to joke with those I respect by picking at their message. I am sorry, it is just a cultural thing from the Southern USA. If I didnt pick on ya, it would mean I didnt like you at all. I have had this problem before and it is hard to get that across with typing on a forums. If ya talk to me in person or teamspeak, you would understand what I mean. I just tend to break the ice that way and this is one of those times it has backfired on me resulting in just pissing you off.

...I have zero obligation to ensure your time is fun

I agree you dont. I am just trying to extend an olive branch here Akara. You can either take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by Altogo

If anyone else wanted to, they could just as easily make a raid and people would flock to it.

Anyone could lead a raid, but that doesn't mean it would be in the same manner of playstyle and same mentality. Not all raids, raiders and leaders are the same. Not all have the same objectives and attitudes. Just something to consider.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by Summberbell

Anyone could lead a raid, but that doesn't mean it would be in the same manner of playstyle and same mentality. Not all raids, raiders and leaders are the same. Not all have the same objectives and attitudes. Just something to consider.

<3 Bonnie

And not all have the skill to make a successful raid. Example: Igluk

To find a raid leader who is both skilled as an individual, skilled as a raid leader, has a positive attitude, and a good PvP playstyle is rare. But when one comes forward on both sides, it can change the whole face of the moors.

Originally Posted by PolarBear

Reading the forums shouldn't be you're only way of judging the man

I am not judging him based on the forums. I am making true statments based on how I have seen him play in Ettenmoors over the last (has it been that long) month. Judging someone based on the forums (these forums especially, which seem to conflict very much) would indeed be foolish.

[QUOTE=Coulthard14;6140608]As far as I can tell, Adino and his raid crews aren't interested in actual PvP, and in fact generally avoid it whenever possible. As opposed to massing numbers to assault a keep, they mass numbers to ninja them. If there is anything like resistance they generally leave and try to ninja a different keep. That is the undeniable pattern, repeated daily.

Creep raids have no such pattern. I don't group much now but have many times in the past and the point of grouping wasn't to flip keeps for the sake of flipping them with as little opposition as possible, it was to engage in battle, and if a keep was defended we attacked it all-out even if we wiped. If we were assaulting a keep with a large raid we wanted the freeps to be there and wanted a knock-down drag-out fight. Adino and crew seem to want the exact opposite of this. They avoid tough fights. When presented with them they retreat and either go somewhere else, hide, or log most of the time./QUOTE]



Evidently you have not been on when the RvR action has been paramount. Yesterday, I came on at 3:00 P.M. CST and the RvR action did not end until the early morning hours. It was never a 1 sided victory for either side. We won some battles, and we lost some battles. But, it was the most fun I have seen on this server in a long time. It was a break from running solo and getting zerged by a group of 3 or more creeps. The battles that began yesterday only ended when they did because people were tired and ready to stop for the day.

Did we stay engaged with the creeps in combat 100% of the time? No! We changed things up a bit and used some different tactics to engage the creeps, and they did the same. Just because a fraid did not reengage the creeps after taking LC doesn't mean there were no more battles, or that the freeps are just interested in pve. ! There are times when we reengage, or are engaged; after taking a keep/control point and then there are times when we move the battle for tactical reasons. Never fight a battle on the enemies terms; When at all possible, fight the enemy on your own terms, Sorry our play style does not suit you, but I don't see it changing to suit the transfers or anyone else. We play the way we do to suit ourselves and nobody else. I imagine that you play the the way you do to suit yourself, no?

Unfortunately, PVE is necessary to get the commendations that freeps and creeps need to get their audacity. It is also necessary so that we don't have to re-spawn at GV all the darned time. There are times when we cannot get a good fight going so we pve to antagonize the creeps into fighting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We would prefer different battle scenarios rather than that which is provided by Turbine...but I don't look for that to change any time soon.

Saying that raids make freep players weak sounds just like more rhetoric aimed at keeping freep groups lower so that the creep zerg crews and warg packs don't have to farm as hard. I am curious, how do freeps learn to pvp solo, and work on their skills, when constantly zerged? 1v1s don't cut it by themselves. I learned how to fight, while grouped, in the Ettenmoors and on the Silverlode server. The freeps need to experience solo play as well as small group and full raids if they are going to learn anything.

[QUOTE=Lagnaf;6141712]

Originally Posted by Coulthard14

As far as I can tell, Adino and his raid crews aren't interested in actual PvP, and in fact generally avoid it whenever possible. As opposed to massing numbers to assault a keep, they mass numbers to ninja them. If there is anything like resistance they generally leave and try to ninja a different keep. That is the undeniable pattern, repeated daily.

Creep raids have no such pattern. I don't group much now but have many times in the past and the point of grouping wasn't to flip keeps for the sake of flipping them with as little opposition as possible, it was to engage in battle, and if a keep was defended we attacked it all-out even if we wiped. If we were assaulting a keep with a large raid we wanted the freeps to be there and wanted a knock-down drag-out fight. Adino and crew seem to want the exact opposite of this. They avoid tough fights. When presented with them they retreat and either go somewhere else, hide, or log most of the time./QUOTE]



Evidently you have not been on when the RvR action has been paramount. Yesterday, I came on at 3:00 P.M. CST and the RvR action did not end until the early morning hours. It was never a 1 sided victory for either side. We won some battles, and we lost some battles. But, it was the most fun I have seen on this server in a long time. It was a break from running solo and getting zerged by a group of 3 or more creeps. The battles that began yesterday only ended when they did because people were tired and ready to stop for the day.

Did we stay engaged with the creeps in combat 100% of the time? No! We changed things up a bit and used some different tactics to engage the creeps, and they did the same. Just because a fraid did not reengage the creeps after taking LC doesn't mean there were no more battles, or that the freeps are just interested in pve. ! There are times when we reengage, or are engaged; after taking a keep/control point and then there are times when we move the battle for tactical reasons. Never fight a battle on the enemies terms; When at all possible, fight the enemy on your own terms, Sorry our play style does not suit you, but I don't see it changing to suit the transfers or anyone else. We play the way we do to suit ourselves and nobody else. I imagine that you play the the way you do to suit yourself, no?

Unfortunately, PVE is necessary to get the commendations that freeps and creeps need to get their audacity. It is also necessary so that we don't have to re-spawn at GV all the darned time. There are times when we cannot get a good fight going so we pve to antagonize the creeps into fighting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We would prefer different battle scenarios rather than that which is provided by Turbine...but I don't look for that to change any time soon.

Saying that raids make freep players weak sounds just like more rhetoric aimed at keeping freep groups lower so that the creep zerg crews and warg packs don't have to farm as hard. I am curious, how do freeps learn to pvp solo, and work on their skills, when constantly zerged? 1v1s don't cut it by themselves. I learned how to fight, while grouped, in the Ettenmoors and on the Silverlode server. The freeps need to experience solo play as well as small group and full raids if they are going to learn anything.

Nice post ++ rep

[QUOTE=Lagnaf;6141712]

Originally Posted by Coulthard14

As far as I can tell, Adino and his raid crews aren't interested in actual PvP, and in fact generally avoid it whenever possible. As opposed to massing numbers to assault a keep, they mass numbers to ninja them. If there is anything like resistance they generally leave and try to ninja a different keep. That is the undeniable pattern, repeated daily.

Creep raids have no such pattern. I don't group much now but have many times in the past and the point of grouping wasn't to flip keeps for the sake of flipping them with as little opposition as possible, it was to engage in battle, and if a keep was defended we attacked it all-out even if we wiped. If we were assaulting a keep with a large raid we wanted the freeps to be there and wanted a knock-down drag-out fight. Adino and crew seem to want the exact opposite of this. They avoid tough fights. When presented with them they retreat and either go somewhere else, hide, or log most of the time./QUOTE]



Unfortunately, PVE is necessary to get the commendations that freeps and creeps need to get their audacity. It is also necessary so that we don't have to re-spawn at GV all the darned time. There are times when we cannot get a good fight going so we pve to antagonize the creeps into fighting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We would prefer different battle scenarios rather than that which is provided by Turbine...but I don't look for that to change any time soon.

No. No it is not.

You can get all of your ranks of Audacity as well as additional gear and skills solely through PvP.

7 creeps online. Clearly the ON buff for an hour at least. 37 freeps online. one full raid, one half raid. Nice relic Adino grats on using it for its intended use.

Aza, since you were very demonstrative in this post, we found it curious you flipped to freep while we were outnumbered, and pve'd the map blue, destroying the little opposition you found in your way. That little 12v2 zerg on me and the other warg into OC was nifty guys! So, seems we are back to the way things were before.

[QUOTE=Lagnaf;6141712]

Originally Posted by Coulthard14

As far as I can tell, Adino and his raid crews aren't interested in actual PvP, and in fact generally avoid it whenever possible. As opposed to massing numbers to assault a keep, they mass numbers to ninja them. If there is anything like resistance they generally leave and try to ninja a different keep. That is the undeniable pattern, repeated daily.

Creep raids have no such pattern. I don't group much now but have many times in the past and the point of grouping wasn't to flip keeps for the sake of flipping them with as little opposition as possible, it was to engage in battle, and if a keep was defended we attacked it all-out even if we wiped. If we were assaulting a keep with a large raid we wanted the freeps to be there and wanted a knock-down drag-out fight. Adino and crew seem to want the exact opposite of this. They avoid tough fights. When presented with them they retreat and either go somewhere else, hide, or log most of the time./QUOTE]



Evidently you have not been on when the RvR action has been paramount. Yesterday, I came on at 3:00 P.M. CST and the RvR action did not end until the early morning hours. It was never a 1 sided victory for either side. We won some battles, and we lost some battles. But, it was the most fun I have seen on this server in a long time. It was a break from running solo and getting zerged by a group of 3 or more creeps. The battles that began yesterday only ended when they did because people were tired and ready to stop for the day.

Did we stay engaged with the creeps in combat 100% of the time? No! We changed things up a bit and used some different tactics to engage the creeps, and they did the same. Just because a fraid did not reengage the creeps after taking LC doesn't mean there were no more battles, or that the freeps are just interested in pve. ! There are times when we reengage, or are engaged; after taking a keep/control point and then there are times when we move the battle for tactical reasons. Never fight a battle on the enemies terms; When at all possible, fight the enemy on your own terms, Sorry our play style does not suit you, but I don't see it changing to suit the transfers or anyone else. We play the way we do to suit ourselves and nobody else. I imagine that you play the the way you do to suit yourself, no?

Unfortunately, PVE is necessary to get the commendations that freeps and creeps need to get their audacity. It is also necessary so that we don't have to re-spawn at GV all the darned time. There are times when we cannot get a good fight going so we pve to antagonize the creeps into fighting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We would prefer different battle scenarios rather than that which is provided by Turbine...but I don't look for that to change any time soon.

Saying that raids make freep players weak sounds just like more rhetoric aimed at keeping freep groups lower so that the creep zerg crews and warg packs don't have to farm as hard. I am curious, how do freeps learn to pvp solo, and work on their skills, when constantly zerged? 1v1s don't cut it by themselves. I learned how to fight, while grouped, in the Ettenmoors and on the Silverlode server. The freeps need to experience solo play as well as small group and full raids if they are going to learn anything.

Im not sure I understand what you were talking about there lmao.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Aza, since you were very demonstrative in this post, we found it curious you flipped to freep while we were outnumbered, and pve'd the map blue, destroying the little opposition you found in your way. That little 12v2 zerg on me and the other warg into OC was nifty guys! So, seems we are back to the way things were before.

Any more blatant lies you wish to share? I flipped to freepside when the map was red and freeps had the outnumbered buff flashing back and forth. You should know this seeing as how you were around a few times when I attempted to 1v10 without avail. Afterwards, we were between 5 and 8 in group. Had some decent fights between EC and TA.

If you are referring to when our group killed you in front of OC, there were only 9 visible freeps at OC and 5 creeps. Now I may have decided to flip back creepside when most of the creeps logged off and the fraid got on, but considering that you guys tried your best to ensure a red map, I had no interest. If you want to make sure that we have to run all the way from GV, then don't expect me to willingly want to die across the map. What did it benefit you? Instead of a small group taking a keep and wanting to fight around it, you simply let a fraid flip it instead. Those were the consequences of your own actions.

/Aza

[QUOTE=Murtanion;6141760]

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

No. No it is not.

You can get all of your ranks of Audacity as well as additional gear and skills solely through PvP.

Up until the time that the freeps started forming raids again, it was damned near impossible for a hunter, LM, etc. to get enough renown and commendations through pvp. I did okay before U6 while running solo. Now it takes forever, unless grouped, to get enough commendations to get audacity armor and renown. We didn't have the warg packs we have now, and the zerg crews were tolerable pre update 6.

Another alternative is rolling a creep to do quests for audacity. Some may choose to go that route. If they enjoy that, then more power to them.

I could go to the 1v1 circles, but I note that the only creeps that want to 1v1 are the wargs with their new uber buffs, and those that know they can beat me. Personally, I find the 1v1 circles to be boring, and they appear to be governed by some kind of draconian rules that make it a zerging offense for any freep to use all the skills that Turbine has given them. Then there is the double standard that creeps can use any mitigation skills they have to 1v1, this includes any cool downs they have, with zero negative consequences. I have been told that this is the way it is because it is the opinion of the uber l33t pvp gods that the creeps are at a disadvantage and deserve special treatment. Perhaps we should give them handicap 1v1 spaces as well (I do have a physical handicap so I can joke like this). I think the "special treatment" opinion is quite outdated. Plus there are the creeps that constantly zerg and gank the 1v1s without any real consequence. In fact, their negative behavior at 1v1 circles appears to be tolerated. That is a jolly good way to get commendations...Don't ya think! So much for the utopian ideal of the 1v1s being the only way to have fun in the Moors.

Then again there is the big zerg balls we can endure at EC if we desire to go that route. We can all be zerged while not grouped, by massive numbers of creeps and die laughing about it. EC fights really do suck. I am not alone, in this; there are many other freeps who are of the same opinion. Another great way to pvp your way to audacity?

Now, we can get our audacity through raids. Yes we pve, and for all the reasons I stated in my original reply (see original reply). Keep in mind that the zerg mentality of the creeps has led to a lot of freeps to join raids, especially those new to the Moors that get tired of the gank-n-zerg style of creep play. I don't think the creeps will change their play style, but you are welcome to try and get them to do so. Otherwise we will continue to join raids and flip the map blue after the creeps pve and flip it red. Besides that, we have fun doing it, and we get some really good fights that way.

I have been creepside and they do group up to flip keeps. I am told that this is the only good way for them to get their commendations and renown...Perhaps, and then again perhaps not.

It is the personal choice of each player as to whether or not they group/raid up and pve/pvp. In the end, that is what it comes down to, a matter of freedom of choice. No matter what anyone says, there is no dishonor in pve for audacity, or running in a raid. This is how we "Enjoy" ourselves in the Moors. Personally, I get tired of people saying that it is wrong for anyone to group up or pvp, or that it "cheapens" pvp. I am sorry you don't like it, but that is the way it is, and there you are!!! Enjoy yourself the best way you can.

It is like the chorus of the Ricky Nelson song, "Garden Party", says;

"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself".

Your opinion, Warden, is duly noted!

Then again, this is just my opinion.

[QUOTE=ThunderbowStormshard;614 1843]

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Im not sure I understand what you were talking about there lmao.

You could understand, if you so desired to understand. Where are the screen shots of the huge craids/mobs of non grouped creeps zerging EC? Oops, I forgot; by virtue of the creep double standard, those EC zergs don't count.

I think it is wonderful that amateur digital photography of pvp in the Moors carries so much weight in Creep, and LOTRO forum, jurisprudence as evidence of grievous offenses committed by freeps!

Shame on us for taking advantage of you poor helpless things.

[QUOTE=Lagnaf;6141950]

Originally Posted by Murtanion

Up until the time that the freeps started forming raids again, it was damned near impossible for a hunter, LM, etc. to get enough renown and commendations through pvp. I did okay before U6 while running solo. Now it takes forever, unless grouped, to get enough commendations to get audacity armor and renown. We didn't have the warg packs we have now, and the zerg crews were tolerable pre update 6.

Another alternative is rolling a creep to do quests for audacity. Some may choose to go that route. If they enjoy that, then more power to them.

I could go to the 1v1 circles, but I note that the only creeps that want to 1v1 are the wargs with their new uber buffs, and those that know they can beat me. Personally, I find the 1v1 circles to be boring, and they appear to be governed by some kind of draconian rules that make it a zerging offense for any freep to use all the skills that Turbine has given them. Then there is the double standard that creeps can use any mitigation skills they have to 1v1, this includes any cool downs they have, with zero negative consequences. I have been told that this is the way it is because it is the opinion of the uber l33t pvp gods that the creeps are at a disadvantage and deserve special treatment. Perhaps we should give them handicap 1v1 spaces as well (I do have a physical handicap so I can joke like this). I think the "special treatment" opinion is quite outdated. Plus there are the creeps that constantly zerg and gank the 1v1s without any real consequence. In fact, their negative behavior at 1v1 circles appears to be tolerated. That is a jolly good way to get commendations...Don't ya think! So much for the utopian ideal of the 1v1s being the only way to have fun in the Moors.

Then again there is the big zerg balls we can endure at EC if we desire to go that route. We can all be zerged while not grouped, by massive numbers of creeps and die laughing about it. EC fights really do suck. I am not alone, in this; there are many other freeps who are of the same opinion. Another great way to pvp your way to audacity?

Now, we can get our audacity through raids. Yes we pve, and for all the reasons I stated in my original reply (see original reply). Keep in mind that the zerg mentality of the creeps has led to a lot of freeps to join raids, especially those new to the Moors that get tired of the gank-n-zerg style of creep play. I don't think the creeps will change their play style, but you are welcome to try and get them to do so. Otherwise we will continue to join raids and flip the map blue after the creeps pve and flip it red. Besides that, we have fun doing it, and we get some really good fights that way.

I have been creepside and they do group up to flip keeps. I am told that this is the only good way for them to get their commendations and renown...Perhaps, and then again perhaps not.

It is the personal choice of each player as to whether or not they group/raid up and pve/pvp. In the end, that is what it comes down to, a matter of freedom of choice. No matter what anyone says, there is no dishonor in pve for audacity, or running in a raid. This is how we "Enjoy" ourselves in the Moors. Personally, I get tired of people saying that it is wrong for anyone to group up or pvp, or that it "cheapens" pvp. I am sorry you don't like it, but that is the way it is, and there you are!!! Enjoy yourself the best way you can.

It is like the chorus of the Ricky Nelson song, "Garden Party", says;

"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself".

Your opinion, Warden, is duly noted!

Then again, this is just my opinion.

Oh [please Gundamir. Who is saying that it is wrong for freeps to group up. I myself prefer it when freeps are grouped, it provides for more interesting battles. What I dislike is when you freeps (mainly Adino) calls in a full fraid to 1.) Ninja Take Most if Not All the Keeps, 2.) After taking all the keeps, zerg OC for about 15 or 20 minutes, 3.) Camp us at grams. If thats the way you like to play, good for you. You should play the way you want to play and not care what others say about it. Does that make it right? No.

As Akara has said previously, this piece of #### pvp style causes people to not want to play. Especially the new guys with the Reavers (who are terribly unbalanced). Lol I would stop coming to the game too if I kept getting stomped as soon as I stuck a foot out of grams. Some of the transfers I have talked to have said that Adino was the last straw, the last thing that they would take.

What is funny is the continued hyprocrisy of the individuals on both sides.

Also, loling at you freeps who blindly follow all of Adino's orders. believing him to be some heavenly defender of the moors. Loling at the flippers as well, those of you who switch sides when things get tough.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

There are times when we cannot get a good fight going so we pve to antagonize the creeps into fighting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. We would prefer different battle scenarios rather than that which is provided by Turbine...but I don't look for that to change any time soon.

No need to pve to antagonize anyone into fighting. Creep or freep side, all you need to do is gather your group and claim some territory..ie, large rock south of TR, or any ground in bear valley. Be patient, roamers will spot you and call you out, by all means employ burgs/wargs to monitor your enemy's movements. It's a fight to the death, no retreat, commit and let the chips fall where they may...ie, take a frackin gamble. If you wipe, then find a more defensible position or gather more friends but don't take the leap and sit in a keep. You would be creating your own battle scenario. If you have played this game since launch and are sick and tired of cat and mouse RvR, then give this a try.
Unfortunately, turbine refuses to adapt the existing skirmish sys into scenarios so it's up to you to create your own...or you can just do the same thing people have been doing since launch, yawn.

I wish all the baddie wargs that won't fight without friends would just go away, then the Freeps would no longer have a reasonable excuse to not run in Adino raids, I hate all the zergbaby wargs so much.

Sorry Aza, lol. Lies they are not. We watched you flip to freepside after asking how many creeps were on. 8 we answered. We watched you fight for hours while we had the ON buff. We watched you futiley attempt to take every single keep on the map, while 4-5 creeps wiped you. And we watched you steamrolling with Adinos group...hand in hand, in TA, 27+ freeps all playing patty cake on a blue map. Mustnt forget the grams camp you orchestrated...lol. Its a open pvp zone, who cares. But dont say one thing then do another.

Sorry Gundamir, you fail at that reply. Lengthy and verbose responses posed in a sub-eloquent fashion hardly dismiss the reality of the failness. Grats on the faily mc failedness. Failsters failing in failville eating fail sauce failed to fail

Originally Posted by ivan11787

Any more blatant lies you wish to share? I flipped to freepside when the map was red and freeps had the outnumbered buff flashing back and forth. You should know this seeing as how you were around a few times when I attempted to 1v10 without avail. Afterwards, we were between 5 and 8 in group. Had some decent fights between EC and TA.

If you are referring to when our group killed you in front of OC, there were only 9 visible freeps at OC and 5 creeps. Now I may have decided to flip back creepside when most of the creeps logged off and the fraid got on, but considering that you guys tried your best to ensure a red map, I had no interest. If you want to make sure that we have to run all the way from GV, then don't expect me to willingly want to die across the map. What did it benefit you? Instead of a small group taking a keep and wanting to fight around it, you simply let a fraid flip it instead. Those were the consequences of your own actions.

/Aza

You absolutely did not flip back to creepside when Adinos goons raided up bahaha. You freeped for well over an hour trying to PVE keeps. Not pvp. And all the while Adino was taking the relic and mustering even more scrubs to help him, you were at every keep. Get your facts straight Jack, this aint amatuer hour here. 7 creeps sought out pvp where ever we could find it. We defended every keep the best we could. 7 creeps. 30 something freeps grouped. 2 hours. You on two different freeps. In fact Adino disbanded his fraid well after the map was blue, and the grams camp was done, and still your freep was out there. Cheer Azatoru

Gundamir, since you clearly lack the insight about that screenshot, thats a rank 2 weaver, 4 skills, grey barred inside OC with 5 rank 8 freeps on him. And a rank 8 mini bubbled, while the rank 2 weaver is grey barred and near death. Little different that one or two creeps charging into EC to get a freep who is pew pewing them from the ramparts fool. I was there turning in a quest to get my crude TA map. You tracked me all the way from lug x roads, and game on. Just setting te record straight chuckles

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Sorry Aza, lol. Lies they are not. We watched you flip to freepside after asking how many creeps were on. 8 we answered. We watched you fight for hours while we had the ON buff. We watched you futiley attempt to take every single keep on the map, while 4-5 creeps wiped you. And we watched you steamrolling with Adinos group...hand in hand, in TA, 27+ freeps all playing patty cake on a blue map. Mustnt forget the grams camp you orchestrated...lol. Its a open pvp zone, who cares. But dont say one thing then do another.

Seriously dude? What are you on about? I had originally asked how many creeps there were at the Ost ramp seeing as how the freeps had gotten rolled there. So I flipped over to freepside to help those maggots out for a better fight.

The part where you really discredit yourself is the TA part. I was steamrolling in TA eh? Our group ran into TA when we heard fighting, got as far as the stairs when we saw the TA flip message. Easiest 100 coms ever? Yes. Apart from that, nothing more than a complete lie.
As for ''futiley attempt to take every single keep on the map'', we went for Isen, Lc and Lugz. Took 2/3 and yes, 7 creeps managed to wipe 6 of us at lugz. Does that make you feel special?

You are attempting to discourage group play and all that does is push people towards raids. Is that really what you want?

/Aza

This argument is irrevelant, as neither side is going to admit wrong, and neither side is going to agree with the other.

lol nope. Taking a hot drawn bubble bath, lighting a scented candle, and drifting away to Kenny G serenading me makes me feel special. Calling us liars is simply comical. Those other lowbie creeps that witnessed the carnival might not pipe up, but I sure will Want to impress me? Do what you say you do. Nothing personal Azadino, just observations from an acute creep witnessing double standards is all. Ive been in the moors a long time, have toons on multiple servers, 9 on this alone. Most rank 8 or higher. So I am not a youngun seeing ghosts where there are none. I know what I know.

Besides, we all knew your little band of merry men wasnt going to succeeed at much anyways, at a very simean and base level I suppose the handful of creeps that were online owe you a thanks for the repetitive free infamy.

I thank you, sincerely.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

I am curious, how do freeps learn to pvp solo, and work on their skills, when constantly zerged? 1v1s don't cut it by themselves. I learned how to fight, while grouped, in the Ettenmoors and on the Silverlode server. The freeps need to experience solo play as well as small group and full raids if they are going to learn anything.

I solo quite often, and get zerged once in awhile if I stay in one location for too long; and I've barely ever joined a raid. I guess I never learned how to PvP on a hunter :/

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

lol nope. Taking a hot drawn bubble bath, lighting a scented candle, and drifting away to Kenny G serenading me makes me feel special. Calling us liars is simply comical. Those other lowbie creeps that witnessed the carnival might not pipe up, but I sure will Want to impress me? Do what you say you do. Nothing personal Azadino, just observations from an acute creep witnessing double standards is all. Ive been in the moors a long time, have toons on multiple servers, 9 on this alone. Most rank 8 or higher. So I am not a youngun seeing ghosts where there are none. I know what I know.

Besides, we all knew your little band of merry men wasnt going to succeeed at much anyways, at a very simean and base level I suppose the handful of creeps that were online owe you a thanks for the repetitive free infamy.

I thank you, sincerely.

For someone who says that they are not bothered about what happens in the moors, you sure act like a little girl everytime something happens that you dislike. You even flipped freepside just to insult someone, no different than you were calling Silvers out for doing earlier in the day.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

9 freeps attack 5 creeps inside OC while before you were a part of 20 creeps attacking 10 freeps in EC. You are complaining about being killed at OC.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

After running around, not finding enough creeps and seeing that the only ones we found had the ON buff on, we decided to pve seeing as how the creeps had logged. What do creeps do when freeps have logged and there is nothing to fight? We pve.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

You tried your best to ensure a red map yet complain when the map is fully blue?
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

Want me to keep going? Probably not. I'll let you make more posts, just to see how much more of a fool you make yourself look. It shall bring laughs.

/Aza

Originally Posted by ivan11787

For someone who says that they are not bothered about what happens in the moors, you sure act like a little girl everytime something happens that you dislike. You even flipped freepside just to insult someone, no different than you were calling Silvers out for doing earlier in the day.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

9 freeps attack 5 creeps inside OC while before you were a part of 20 creeps attacking 10 freeps in EC. You are complaining about being killed at OC.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

After running around, not finding enough creeps and seeing that the only ones we found had the ON buff on, we decided to pve seeing as how the creeps had logged. What do creeps do when freeps have logged and there is nothing to fight? We pve.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

You tried your best to ensure a red map yet complain when the map is fully blue?
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

Want me to keep going? Probably not. I'll let you make more posts, just to see how much more of a fool you make yourself look. It shall bring laughs.

/Aza

Sorry Tbow, but looks like...



<3 Bonnie

Sorry scrub, you need to try harder than that. 2 creeps, 12 freeps, inc you in OC. Good stuff. You have no respect from anyone creepside, so who believes what you say anyways? You serve the side that best suits Azas needs. Common knowledge. Your troll style you copy from Atara re quoting everything I already said and putting a witty repetitive retort is assinine at best. Seems Silvers hit the nail on the head about you. haha, who would have thought. Your making up numbers to make it diminish your fail pve campaign last night freepside is hilarious. Why dont you come ask the creeps who watched you? Stick to one side fail Adino wanna be. At the VERY least Adino is consistent. You say troll the man one day, then 10 mins later raid up with him. And do you really want to go down that insult road with me? Hardly. Certainly not after what I went out of my way to do. Oops, have I said too much?

Try hittin me up post puberty with some better retorts, and Prince called...he wants his hairdo and butterfly collars back.

Originally Posted by ivan11787

For someone who says that they are not bothered about what happens in the moors, you sure act like a little girl everytime something happens that you dislike. You even flipped freepside just to insult someone, no different than you were calling Silvers out for doing earlier in the day.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

9 freeps attack 5 creeps inside OC while before you were a part of 20 creeps attacking 10 freeps in EC. You are complaining about being killed at OC.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

After running around, not finding enough creeps and seeing that the only ones we found had the ON buff on, we decided to pve seeing as how the creeps had logged. What do creeps do when freeps have logged and there is nothing to fight? We pve.
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

You tried your best to ensure a red map yet complain when the map is fully blue?
+1 hypocrisy to thunder

Want me to keep going? Probably not. I'll let you make more posts, just to see how much more of a fool you make yourself look. It shall bring laughs.

/Aza

12 high ranked freeps, 2 creeps. Get your number straight young man.

You did NO running around, you pved every keep you could. When we wiped you (with equal numbers) you tried another keep. Again, get your facts straight.

Defending a keep from 5 times the numbers is hardly ensuring a red map fool. LMAO. Especially when your daddy Adino had the relic in TA. Get your facts straight.

I called Silvers out cause he called me out. You trolled Silvers cause he called you a fail warden . Again, get your facts straight.

Lies are not becoming, Fail Azadino. Try harder please.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Your troll style you copy from Atara re quoting everything I already said and putting a witty repetitive retort is assinine at best.

It seems to me that he addressed each of your points individually, and explained how you were mistaken (at least in his opinion). You seem to be projecting here, regarding trolling with 'witty repetitive retorts' (with the proviso that your retorts are merely repetitive, being sophomoric at best).

I actually helped wipe Aza's small group twice, and I feel bad about it. I hate flush maps, whether it's red or blue. Kills what little action there usually is, outside of EC farms. I only did it because I had previously been chased/killed by Jong and 4-6 other freeps a couple times (Jong was tanking).

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