Thread: Adino!

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

i could keep going, but this says it all.

LIES!!!! Photoshopped

Originally Posted by Morbidi-Lost

And Doc....look....I haz starz!!!!

WTS...Starz

Hail the mighty Rundamir!!!!

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by silfea

<3 Bonnie

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Ask any PVPer, any real PVPer. It doesn't matter if you solo or hug a raid, renown is renown."

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Everyone else was in this thread, didnt want to be left out.

Originally Posted by warning63

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Everyone else was in this thread, didnt want to be left out.

Likeaboss.

I guess it's important to play both sides, otherwise one is starting to have freep or creep goggles. From what I've noticed, people playing freeps and creeps are acting very different. As low-ranked creeps are relatively weak, team work is encouraged. People share information, help others on quests, even protect and heal non-groupies in combat. On the contrary, freeps are usually very individualistic and competitive. Quite often people would be ok with you dying while rushing at a craid at the right time and starting a fight. They'd just stand and stare, obviously being scared to join. Or pew-pew from distance. Having said that, I would like to point out that most of the accusations that have been previously posted here are either a sign of double standards, or of lack of understanding what's going on.

1) Ganking OC. Personally I detest that, but aren't creeps often ganking EC not for An, but just for 1-2 freeps? Happened LOTS of times to me. I am not really complaining about it since usually I can get some kills while they're on me, but anyway.

2) Calling people out? Hardly ever happens freepside. Usually only the leaders are announced (e.g. Aza is on), but also with no slogans like "let's gank him". Meanwhile, on creepside all I see is "mini in HH - dead already" or "guard in Grothum - warg pack out". Again, I am not saying it's bad, but it's the creeps who are much better coordinated and calling out low-rank single freeps who are questing, in order to gank them. I can't imagine a few burglars coming to HH to kill a reaver. Creeps do such things all the time.

3) Killing people raid vs 1. That isn't noble, but is often part of the fight. Usually if you let the person go, a craid will pop up, and he will join it. So why give extra chances to the opponent? Also, the pictures posted above refer to creeps who were persistently fighting the fraid over and over again. If they were some random peaceful passer-byes, there's a large chance they'd have been allowed to roam freely. Moreover, raids attract a lot of greenies. It's hard to command them, and for many of them killing a creep is a relatively fresh experience. So, sometimes even if the leader says "let him go", a few guys will still jump on the poor fellow and slaughter him.

Finally, as a freep I'm running solo 90% of the time. Was there a single occasion when a fellowship/craid/large creep group hailed me, or let me go? I don't think so. Usually it's stun-slow-stun mode when I don't even have a chance to fight back. If I actually get to deliver a few strikes and kill someone, I'm happy. If not, then ok, it's PVP. Besides, I don't expect fair fights from creeps. Sometimes you get knocked off your horse by a BA or spider. You sort of reluctantly have to start 1 vs 1-ing them, but then they call you out and a few more creeps use their maps to show up just on time. Sometimes they get an easy kill, sometimes they die one after another, sometimes it's in-between. Still, I can't imagine myself or most of the other strong freeps posting on OOC or using the vent to summon aid during an unexpected 1 vs 1. That's against the honor code.

4) 24/7 PVE and ez-moding. Geez, then why has the map been red all the time for the last few months? If freeps captured a keep or two, creeps would instantly get twice their numbers and win the castles back. Who is PVE-ing and ez-moding here then? Even more ridiculous was a statement made here by I think Sozu that some creeps are so disgusted they are staying in Grams while the raiding is going on. I'd say they are not disgusted, but scared and eager to recapture the whole map once Adino's raid leaves due to boredom. That's what they are coming to do in the Moors - PVE. From what I've seen, many of the creeps are questing, doing Goldie/Golloval/outpost/An etc. When there are virtually no freeps online, they go to capture the keeps. Is that brave? Is that even PVP? Then when there's a chance for an exciting raid vs raid battle someone is praising them for staying at Grams and avoiding action? Come on! Luckily enough, there are some good creeps out there too, so we are having many great fights with numerous participants on each side. Both sides wipe a lot, thus keeping the process double-edged and exciting. Well, if someone prefers to stay out of it, it's his own choice, no offense intended. But why blame other people for having fun?

Originally Posted by Otdanon

1) Ganking OC. Personally I detest that, but aren't creeps often ganking EC not for An, but just for 1-2 freeps? Happened LOTS of times to me. I am not really complaining about it since usually I can get some kills while they're on me, but anyway.

2) Calling people out? Hardly ever happens freepside. Usually only the leaders are announced (e.g. Aza is on), but also with no slogans like "let's gank him". Meanwhile, on creepside all I see is "mini in HH - dead already" or "guard in Grothum - warg pack out". Again, I am not saying it's bad, but it's the creeps who are much better coordinated and calling out low-rank single freeps who are questing, in order to gank them. I can't imagine a few burglars coming to HH to kill a reaver. Creeps do such things all the time.

3) Killing people raid vs 1. That isn't noble, but is often part of the fight. Usually if you let the person go, a craid will pop up, and he will join it. So why give extra chances to the opponent? Also, the pictures posted above refer to creeps who were persistently fighting the fraid over and over again. If they were some random peaceful passer-byes, there's a large chance they'd have been allowed to roam freely. Moreover, raids attract a lot of greenies. It's hard to command them, and for many of them killing a creep is a relatively fresh experience. So, sometimes even if the leader says "let him go", a few guys will still jump on the poor fellow and slaughter him.

Finally, as a freep I'm running solo 90% of the time. Was there a single occasion when a fellowship/craid/large creep group hailed me, or let me go? I don't think so. Usually it's stun-slow-stun mode when I don't even have a chance to fight back. If I actually get to deliver a few strikes and kill someone, I'm happy. If not, then ok, it's PVP. Besides, I don't expect fair fights from creeps. Sometimes you get knocked off your horse by a BA or spider. You sort of reluctantly have to start 1 vs 1-ing them, but then they call you out and a few more creeps use their maps to show up just on time. Sometimes they get an easy kill, sometimes they die one after another, sometimes it's in-between. Still, I can't imagine myself or most of the other strong freeps posting on OOC or using the vent to summon aid during an unexpected 1 vs 1. That's against the honor code.

4) 24/7 PVE and ez-moding. Geez, then why has the map been red all the time for the last few months? If freeps captured a keep or two, creeps would instantly get twice their numbers and win the castles back. Who is PVE-ing and ez-moding here then? Even more ridiculous was a statement made here by I think Sozu that some creeps are so disgusted they are staying in Grams while the raiding is going on. I'd say they are not disgusted, but scared and eager to recapture the whole map once Adino's raid leaves due to boredom. That's what they are coming to do in the Moors - PVE. From what I've seen, many of the creeps are questing, doing Goldie/Golloval/outpost/An etc. When there are virtually no freeps online, they go to capture the keeps. Is that brave? Is that even PVP? Then when there's a chance for an exciting raid vs raid battle someone is praising them for staying at Grams and avoiding action? Come on! Luckily enough, there are some good creeps out there too, so we are having many great fights with numerous participants on each side. Both sides wipe a lot, thus keeping the process double-edged and exciting. Well, if someone prefers to stay out of it, it's his own choice, no offense intended. But why blame other people for having fun?

Some of your points do have some validity and so I shall give you fair counter-arguments since you did put thought into them.

1) The difference here is that creeps don't raid to zerg EC. As someone who leads a lot of creepside raids, I don't lead raids to EC to see if there is someone to zerg. Freep raids will often head to OC even once the map is fully blue just to see if there is someone to zerg. This shows that the freep raids purposely go there for easy points and not a good battle.

2) The reason this happens more often on creepside is because most people are lower ranked or facing an OP freep and cannot kill it on their own. If a freep sees a single creep, the freep can easily kill it.

3) From creepside experience, Adino's raids do not ever let people go by without being zerged. Now I do not know if it is his command or just hungry freeps. What I do know is that it isn't very hard to get people not to zerg a target in a raid. It is simply a matter of the leader instilling discipline among those that abuse the umbrella of safety that the raid provides.

Since you are a champ, I can understand people wanting to 2v1 or 3v1 you seeing as how your abilities to bubble etc. actually give you a chance to get kills in that situation, but it is definitely not fair if a larger group attacks you repeatedly if they see that you are solo all those times.

4)I do agree that the map was flipped red too often before. Nowadays it doesn't matter so much because its flipped fully blue quite often. Creeps do need to work on maps though, so it is required that at least some keeps be red long enough during the day. I think the main problem before, was that not enough freeps were willing to come out and group to take keeps, instead just wanting to play alone. This is the opposite side of the scale though. Ideally an in-between should be found.

As for the raid aspect, there could be good raid v raid action if the intent from freepside was to have a reasonably balanced fight. That is not normally the case though. Even when there are enough freeps in the Moors to have a balanced fight, there is often a call made in GLFF to get more. This is nothing more than ensuring numerical superiority for an easy win. Considering the amount of lower ranked creeps, a freep on average can handle 2 creeps on his own. This includes the undergeared, seeing as how the average is brought up by minstrels, champs, wardens and the like. So when there are 25-30 freeps all balled up, how in the world do you expect 15 creeps to stand a chance? If there were 40 creeps out then I can assure you that they would fight those freeps, but that is rarely the case so if freeps wanted a good raid v raid fight then they WOULDNT make a call in glff and simply fight with the 15 that are already in the moors.
However if one decides to bring out a full raid of freeps without even knowing the situation, then how can you expect there to be a full, ranked creep raid to just magically appear? It is silly.

This brings us to raid v non-raid fights. I don't always feel like leading raids and will simply refuse to start one. The other night for example, the whole map was blue while there was a freep raid out so everyone had already gotten renown and commendation points for the keeps. Yet after a group of 3 took TR, the freep raid was obsessed with taking it back. For an hour, they kept trying to drop pull it in various ways. Why? At this point, nobody was grouped anymore and the creeps even managed to push the fraid slightly away from TR at one point. What happened next? The freep raid and the gold taggers around it which numbered 25 at first and more afterwards decided to simply just stand in the open in a manner which showed that they demanded that a slightly smaller amount of ungrouped creeps open-field fight a freep raid. Instead of disbanding the freep raid which would have lead there to be sporadic ungrouped fights, the freep raid decided to perform another drop pull and took the keep. There was no interest in having good fights and the pve was purely map domination based, seeing as how TR had already been flipped blue 1 hour prior.

In conclusion, reasonable odds give good fights.

/Aza

Originally Posted by ivan11787

Some of your points do have some validity and so I shall give you fair counter-arguments since you did put thought into them.

1) The difference here is that creeps don't raid to zerg EC. As someone who leads a lot of creepside raids, I don't lead raids to EC to see if there is someone to zerg. Freep raids will often head to OC even once the map is fully blue just to see if there is someone to zerg. This shows that the freep raids purposely go there for easy points and not a good battle.

2) The reason this happens more often on creepside is because most people are lower ranked or facing an OP freep and cannot kill it on their own. If a freep sees a single creep, the freep can easily kill it.

3) From creepside experience, Adino's raids do not ever let people go by without being zerged. Now I do not know if it is his command or just hungry freeps. What I do know is that it isn't very hard to get people not to zerg a target in a raid. It is simply a matter of the leader instilling discipline among those that abuse the umbrella of safety that the raid provides.

Since you are a champ, I can understand people wanting to 2v1 or 3v1 you seeing as how your abilities to bubble etc. actually give you a chance to get kills in that situation, but it is definitely not fair if a larger group attacks you repeatedly if they see that you are solo all those times.

4)I do agree that the map was flipped red too often before. Nowadays it doesn't matter so much because its flipped fully blue quite often. Creeps do need to work on maps though, so it is required that at least some keeps be red long enough during the day. I think the main problem before, was that not enough freeps were willing to come out and group to take keeps, instead just wanting to play alone. This is the opposite side of the scale though. Ideally an in-between should be found.

As for the raid aspect, there could be good raid v raid action if the intent from freepside was to have a reasonably balanced fight. That is not normally the case though. Even when there are enough freeps in the Moors to have a balanced fight, there is often a call made in GLFF to get more. This is nothing more than ensuring numerical superiority for an easy win. Considering the amount of lower ranked creeps, a freep on average can handle 2 creeps on his own. This includes the undergeared, seeing as how the average is brought up by minstrels, champs, wardens and the like. So when there are 25-30 freeps all balled up, how in the world do you expect 15 creeps to stand a chance? If there were 40 creeps out then I can assure you that they would fight those freeps, but that is rarely the case so if freeps wanted a good raid v raid fight then they WOULDNT make a call in glff and simply fight with the 15 that are already in the moors.
However if one decides to bring out a full raid of freeps without even knowing the situation, then how can you expect there to be a full, ranked creep raid to just magically appear? It is silly.

This brings us to raid v non-raid fights. I don't always feel like leading raids and will simply refuse to start one. The other night for example, the whole map was blue while there was a freep raid out so everyone had already gotten renown and commendation points for the keeps. Yet after a group of 3 took TR, the freep raid was obsessed with taking it back. For an hour, they kept trying to drop pull it in various ways. Why? At this point, nobody was grouped anymore and the creeps even managed to push the fraid slightly away from TR at one point. What happened next? The freep raid and the gold taggers around it which numbered 25 at first and more afterwards decided to simply just stand in the open in a manner which showed that they demanded that a slightly smaller amount of ungrouped creeps open-field fight a freep raid. Instead of disbanding the freep raid which would have lead there to be sporadic ungrouped fights, the freep raid decided to perform another drop pull and took the keep. There was no interest in having good fights and the pve was purely map domination based, seeing as how TR had already been flipped blue 1 hour prior.

In conclusion, reasonable odds give good fights.

/Aza

+Rep

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Originally Posted by Otdanon

I guess it's important to play both sides, otherwise one is starting to have freep or creep goggles. From what I've noticed, people playing freeps and creeps are acting very different. As low-ranked creeps are relatively weak, team work is encouraged. People share information, help others on quests, even protect and heal non-groupies in combat. On the contrary, freeps are usually very individualistic and competitive. Quite often people would be ok with you dying while rushing at a craid at the right time and starting a fight. They'd just stand and stare, obviously being scared to join. Or pew-pew from distance. Having said that, I would like to point out that most of the accusations that have been previously posted here are either a sign of double standards, or of lack of understanding what's going on.

1) Ganking OC. Personally I detest that, but aren't creeps often ganking EC not for An, but just for 1-2 freeps? Happened LOTS of times to me. I am not really complaining about it since usually I can get some kills while they're on me, but anyway.

2) Calling people out? Hardly ever happens freepside. Usually only the leaders are announced (e.g. Aza is on), but also with no slogans like "let's gank him". Meanwhile, on creepside all I see is "mini in HH - dead already" or "guard in Grothum - warg pack out". Again, I am not saying it's bad, but it's the creeps who are much better coordinated and calling out low-rank single freeps who are questing, in order to gank them. I can't imagine a few burglars coming to HH to kill a reaver. Creeps do such things all the time.

3) Killing people raid vs 1. That isn't noble, but is often part of the fight. Usually if you let the person go, a craid will pop up, and he will join it. So why give extra chances to the opponent? Also, the pictures posted above refer to creeps who were persistently fighting the fraid over and over again. If they were some random peaceful passer-byes, there's a large chance they'd have been allowed to roam freely. Moreover, raids attract a lot of greenies. It's hard to command them, and for many of them killing a creep is a relatively fresh experience. So, sometimes even if the leader says "let him go", a few guys will still jump on the poor fellow and slaughter him.

Finally, as a freep I'm running solo 90% of the time. Was there a single occasion when a fellowship/craid/large creep group hailed me, or let me go? I don't think so. Usually it's stun-slow-stun mode when I don't even have a chance to fight back. If I actually get to deliver a few strikes and kill someone, I'm happy. If not, then ok, it's PVP. Besides, I don't expect fair fights from creeps. Sometimes you get knocked off your horse by a BA or spider. You sort of reluctantly have to start 1 vs 1-ing them, but then they call you out and a few more creeps use their maps to show up just on time. Sometimes they get an easy kill, sometimes they die one after another, sometimes it's in-between. Still, I can't imagine myself or most of the other strong freeps posting on OOC or using the vent to summon aid during an unexpected 1 vs 1. That's against the honor code.

4) 24/7 PVE and ez-moding. Geez, then why has the map been red all the time for the last few months? If freeps captured a keep or two, creeps would instantly get twice their numbers and win the castles back. Who is PVE-ing and ez-moding here then? Even more ridiculous was a statement made here by I think Sozu that some creeps are so disgusted they are staying in Grams while the raiding is going on. I'd say they are not disgusted, but scared and eager to recapture the whole map once Adino's raid leaves due to boredom. That's what they are coming to do in the Moors - PVE. From what I've seen, many of the creeps are questing, doing Goldie/Golloval/outpost/An etc. When there are virtually no freeps online, they go to capture the keeps. Is that brave? Is that even PVP? Then when there's a chance for an exciting raid vs raid battle someone is praising them for staying at Grams and avoiding action? Come on! Luckily enough, there are some good creeps out there too, so we are having many great fights with numerous participants on each side. Both sides wipe a lot, thus keeping the process double-edged and exciting. Well, if someone prefers to stay out of it, it's his own choice, no offense intended. But why blame other people for having fun?

Like Aza said, I've also never seen a full creep raid run into EC to zerg 2 freeps. Generally, it just 4-5 (somtimes 6) ungrouped creeps going into EC to finish off the remnants of a larger group of freeps. I have NEVER seen a craid do what the 24-30 man fraid has done to OC over the past couple of days (ie Kill everything in OC with a completely blue map then waiting inside OC for any unsuspecting creeps to walk in).


Is this brave? Adino's groups avoid any direct confrontation with creeps. Yesterday, I saw a whole 24 man fraid in the lawn of TR with maybe 15 creeps total there at the time. We would have been destroyed and crushed, but probably would have gotten a few kills.....what did the raid do? It runs off to unguarded TA. That happend for at least 3 hours yesterday. No craid I've seen, or been in has avoided confrontation with freeps like it was the plague.

And I've never seen a freep group, let alone Adino's group, let a creep go. EVER.

I can agree with you on the keep flipping. It is not pvp to take an unguarded keep. Its PVE. Most of the time (most mind you) creeps take the keeps back because 1). There has been no action all day, and we want infamy or 2). Freeps ragelogged for some reason or another. I've never seen a group of freeps (or creeps) do what was done yesterday (ie only willing to take unguarded keeps, and flee at any sign of resistance). That is just cowardly play, from a group large enough that they should be able to do anything they want on the map. If a keep is going to be taken from us, I like to be able to put up a fight and even die to defend it.

BTW a LEADER leads from the front, not the back .

I understand the point you are trying to make, Otdaton. I freeped for a long time, so have credibility to speak on said raid leaders motives.

Those pictures were not the product of me charging into a 24 man craid. My warg NEVER does that. BA and WL? Sure. But not my puppy. That is the product of 5 hunters spam tracking me all over Hoardale until they popped me outta stealth finally.

Its no secret I dont group, and everyone knows I dont get heals. So it is easy reknown for easymoding raid babies whom never come out unless it is a free pass thru an overwhelming raid. Those same people in that fraid wont fight me solo, wont fight me 1v3. Or any creep for that matter

Originally Posted by Otdanon

Otdanon

Hey Otdanon

Originally Posted by astalyn

Hey Otdanon

Hahahaha! +rep

well aza hit it right on the head, and so did akara. This is a strange day for me as I never thought I would have agreed with akara in my life, but sadly what I have seen is pretty bad.

I think the main problem is there are less and less of the old timers left playing and leading groups and more and more of the little kids. The freeps dont really understand how much more powerful they are. Just the other day I had to explain to a guy how to chat in OOC. I mean... cmon! This is what the creeps are dealing with all the time. When we have 20 people on there is usually 5 or 6 that know how to play the dang game. Freeps have the advantage of having played up until level 75 and know their class and usually know at least what the other classes can do. 80% of creeps can barely dress themselves in the morning.

Originally Posted by frgpugs

This is a strange day for me as I never thought I would have agreed with akara in my life

I thought we were friends

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Like Aza said, I've also never seen a full creep raid run into EC to zerg 2 freeps. Generally, it just 4-5 (somtimes 6) ungrouped creeps going into EC to finish off the remnants of a larger group of freeps. I have NEVER seen a craid do what the 24-30 man fraid has done to OC over the past couple of days (ie Kill everything in OC with a completely blue map then waiting inside OC for any unsuspecting creeps to walk in).


Is this brave? Adino's groups avoid any direct confrontation with creeps. Yesterday, I saw a whole 24 man fraid in the lawn of TR with maybe 15 creeps total there at the time. We would have been destroyed and crushed, but probably would have gotten a few kills.....what did the raid do? It runs off to unguarded TA. That happend for at least 3 hours yesterday. No craid I've seen, or been in has avoided confrontation with freeps like it was the plague.

And I've never seen a freep group, let alone Adino's group, let a creep go. EVER.

I can agree with you on the keep flipping. It is not pvp to take an unguarded keep. Its PVE. Most of the time (most mind you) creeps take the keeps back because 1). There has been no action all day, and we want infamy or 2). Freeps ragelogged for some reason or another. I've never seen a group of freeps (or creeps) do what was done yesterday (ie only willing to take unguarded keeps, and flee at any sign of resistance). That is just cowardly play, from a group large enough that they should be able to do anything they want on the map. If a keep is going to be taken from us, I like to be able to put up a fight and even die to defend it.

BTW a LEADER leads from the front, not the back .

Generally a leader would lead from the middle area...so as to not get killed easily but still be able to see clearly the fights :P just saying

and coz i guess thats a stab at adino, ive fought alongside him alot in his raids and we are normally up in the creeps faces so idk what ur talking bout

No offence meant...making my point is all

Also, creeps cant SEE if freeps are raided up OR vice versa, unless they have a toon on the other side at that moment to see, and with everyone calling other people zerg babies and whatnot, just stop, Your just making yourself like like an ####### and its just dumb to go around insulting peoples play style, ITS A BLOODY GAME your gonna die in this game like your gonna die in COD or Battlefield or w/e, instead of QQing and whining your ### off and calling everyone raid babies and zerglets, try to have fun..geez

/RAGE over

wait a minute...where did all the posts go...

Can always count on akara to have a SS to back her up :P

Originally Posted by astalyn

Floaty names have been turned off to protect the innocent :O

Originally Posted by Gunerx

Im a blah baby, blah blah blah blah!

(blah blah blah...blah)

Its ok, I fixed it for you Guner

Not that u can see much in the SS

Originally Posted by Davarto

Its ok, I fixed it for you Guner

its good to know i can count on you gangly to look out for like that

Guys, I sat in front of one the most populated zones in the moors and got killed by multiple creeps.

Originally Posted by Gunerx

Not that u can see much in the SS

Could probably see better if there wasn't a raid of creeps around me

Oh sorry it's OK for creeps to zerg EC since they don't group when they do it

Originally Posted by astalyn

Oh sorry it's OK for creeps to zerg EC since they don't group when they do it

Also because EVERY freep that was out was hiding in EC. When OC zergs happen there are creeps elsewhere but the freep raids just hang out waiting for someone to map in.

Big difference.

Originally Posted by Gunerx

Generally a leader would lead from the middle area...so as to not get killed easily but still be able to see clearly the fights :P just saying

and coz i guess thats a stab at adino, ive fought alongside him alot in his raids and we are normally up in the creeps faces so idk what ur talking bout

No offence meant...making my point is all

Also, creeps cant SEE if freeps are raided up OR vice versa, unless they have a toon on the other side at that moment to see, and with everyone calling other people zerg babies and whatnot, just stop, Your just making yourself like like an ####### and its just dumb to go around insulting peoples play style, ITS A BLOODY GAME your gonna die in this game like your gonna die in COD or Battlefield or w/e, instead of QQing and whining your ### off and calling everyone raid babies and zerglets, try to have fun..geez

/RAGE over

I hate forums but I had to comment on this one - Adino is the first to run back to the rez or abandon his group when the ISH hits the fan. And you're generally 2 steps behind him, Guner.

#justsayin

This is exactly the type of anamosity, angst, QQ and dislike I was hoping for.

Now lets all do the carlton dance....

Originally Posted by astalyn

zerg EC

Question is what were you doing at EC? It's quite obvious what happens to freeps there.

Originally Posted by big_boi198

Question is what were you doing at EC? It's quite obvious what happens to freeps there.

As you can tell from my SS I was the only one pushing for my kills

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

Also because EVERY freep that was out was hiding in EC. When OC zergs happen there are creeps elsewhere but the freep raids just hang out waiting for someone to map in.

Big difference.

There were about 5 maybe 6ish freeps around EC... and when the freep numbers grew to about 9 freeps vs 15 creeps, creeps were pushed all the way to TA... I chased 1 spider through his zerg into TA only to have him get defiler heals, which is when I left the moors

I'm not even defending Adino, I'm calling out the creeps for being complete hypocrites

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

Also because EVERY freep that was out was hiding in EC

I was trying to push out of EC and not be *hiding in EC* but when my target just runs onto stab/gets bubbled/hipses/sprints/ect when its just me or one other pushing into 10 creeps... it's a little disheartening to keep pushing when I know they just want easy points and to avoid dying

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

When OC zergs happen there are creeps elsewhere but the freep raids just hang out waiting for someone to map in.

Yeah, and I have TRIED to go to hotspots like the creep rez or GTA ect ect but every time I go there by myself looking to do something other than *hide in EC* I just get called out and zerged

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

Big difference.

A zerg is a zerg. Nothing changes that. I don't give a #### whether or not you're grouped/ungrouped/raiding/whatever... if you're zerging, you're zerging

Originally Posted by Leksi

I hate forums but I had to comment on this one - Adino is the first to run back to the rez or abandon his group when the ISH hits the fan. And you're generally 2 steps behind him, Guner.

#justsayin

my 2600 deaths wartab begs to differ, but yes if i could succeed in getting away and starhug i would, but You creeps seem to keep getting wiped because most of you are to scared to fight when you have opposition, and you may say a raid is not decen opposition or w/e, but i remember before adino came back creeps were always out, now you guys Have a fight? well according ot sozu, your all sitting in grams, and i know why, your scared of fighting in a pvp zone in a video game and u dont want to die :O

And i dont normally run away except from frost and loogy, coz they are scary

Originally Posted by Gunerx

my 2600 deaths wartab begs to differ, but yes if i could succeed in getting away and starhug i would, but You creeps seem to keep getting wiped because most of you are to scared to fight when you have opposition, and you may say a raid is not decen opposition or w/e, but i remember before adino came back creeps were always out, now you guys Have a fight? well according ot sozu, your all sitting in grams, and i know why, your scared of fighting in a pvp zone in a video game and u dont want to die :O

And i dont normally run away except from frost and loogy, coz they are scary

im pretty sure atleast half of those deaths were actually the spars you lost to me in gv

Akara, you were there for like 5 minutes that I saw. Freeps don't go anywhere but EC so where are the creeps who want kills supposed to go? This is not all about you, don't take it personally lol

Originally Posted by Gunerx

my 2600 deaths wartab begs to differ, but yes if i could succeed in getting away and starhug i would, but You creeps seem to keep getting wiped because most of you are to scared to fight when you have opposition, and you may say a raid is not decen opposition or w/e, but i remember before adino came back creeps were always out

Pre RoI- Raid fights were usually pretty even in terms of balance. Sure freeps have their BS cooldowns, but we could fight through it

RoI- Certain freeps turned into god-mode classes capable of fighting mutiple creeps at the same time.

Post RoI (audacity)- Turned healing/dps classes more OP by not nerfing healing in any sort of way, but reducing the dmg by -30%. Freep healing/dps/survivability is better hence when i'm staring at a freep raid i tend not to mess with it.

So please get over your adino circle-jerk. The dude turns the map blue and logs. If i could venture a guess 90% of his raid consist of nobodies that have no clue ### they are doing and enjoy the steam roll. Enjoy patting yourself on the back about rolling the moors.

Originally Posted by Gunerx

my 2600 deaths wartab begs to differ, but yes if i could succeed in getting away and starhug i would, but You creeps seem to keep getting wiped because most of you are to scared to fight when you have opposition, and you may say a raid is not decen opposition or w/e, but i remember before adino came back creeps were always out, now you guys Have a fight? well according ot sozu, your all sitting in grams, and i know why, your scared of fighting in a pvp zone in a video game and u dont want to die :O

And i dont normally run away except from frost and loogy, coz they are scary

Hmm no wrong again. Let me give you the real story here which you should know since you sit on creepside until daddy Adino logs in. When daddy Adino logs on and decides to create a group it is almost immediately filled. The B-line is made to TR (inconceivable right?) to which he is maybe 8 times out of 10 met with creep opposition. Generally he is wiped to which he responds with a rally troops call to more freeps and double the numbers At that point all skill is negated by said numbers and creeps are wiped mercilessly by volume. Oh, and they send Goldie too, which I actually appreciate because I got that quest done with NPC help. Thanks daddy Adino! Throughout the night, if creeps meet Adino with any sort of opposition, he multiplies his raid until there is no way creeps can fight back. There is very little opportunity for creeps to do this as they can't just put a call out and get random bodies who just happen to know how to autoattack. Not to mention a good portion of the creeps flip over to raid with daddy Adino (kinda like you, Guner. weird). Eventually creeps log out or give up, not out of fear of fighting in a pvp zone, but usually out of frustration. Good pvp isn't what is being promoted here; it's a game of keep flipping grab-a$$. :s

Originally Posted by mattg18

im pretty sure atleast half of those deaths were actually the spars you lost to me in gv

Good point.....but hush im trying to prove a point!

Originally Posted by Leksi

Many truths

+rep You said it.

p.s. Akara... we are friends but that doesnt mean I have to agree with what you say

Originally Posted by Leksi

grab-a$$

Is it ok if I play that game as long as it doesn't involve keep flipping?

Originally Posted by Leksi

Hmm no wrong again. Let me give you the real story here which you should know since you sit on creepside until daddy Adino logs in. When daddy Adino logs on and decides to create a group it is almost immediately filled. The B-line is made to TR (inconceivable right?) to which he is maybe 8 times out of 10 met with creep opposition. Generally he is wiped to which he responds with a rally troops call to more freeps and double the numbers At that point all skill is negated by said numbers and creeps are wiped mercilessly by volume. Oh, and they send Goldie too, which I actually appreciate because I got that quest done with NPC help. Thanks daddy Adino! Throughout the night, if creeps meet Adino with any sort of opposition, he multiplies his raid until there is no way creeps can fight back. There is very little opportunity for creeps to do this as they can't just put a call out and get random bodies who just happen to know how to autoattack. Not to mention a good portion of the creeps flip over to raid with daddy Adino (kinda like you, Guner. weird). Eventually creeps log out or give up, not out of fear of fighting in a pvp zone, but usually out of frustration. Good pvp isn't what is being promoted here; it's a game of keep flipping grab-a$$. :s

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