I also only show Xey in my forum sig, but I started moorsing on Dwarrowdelf on a Captain, I also have a burglar and a spider on each server. I obviously haven't played them nearly as much as Xey.
A healer class is what my main has been on every mmo, ex) Monk on GW, Healer on Allods, Captain was my first maxed & moorsing toon on lotro, they are removing the trinity for GW2 but I will be playing necromancer (blood heals). These classes fit my play style perfectly
Kevorkian, him quitting the mini when it became so OP proves me saying he thinks he is l33t, b/c him and the clique are above playing it.
You guys can call me ez moder allll you want, I'll still be out there on Xey er'day
Everything is moot b/c nobody is going to change
EDIT: Burg only on dwarrow
afaik your cappy is only r5...and your burglar is only r6...you stopped playing both after mini became godmode...and now all you do is play the mini...would you call that actively playing in the moors like you claimed your mini before RoI...
you play your mini in dps spec as well...you arent there to heal anyone but spam heals on yourself...there have only been a few actual healing minis on ridder (bela and glam to name a few) and you dont play that way...
i made and played my mini only to dps in the moors...i wanted something different...and at that time there was maybe only 2 at most other minis out in the moors...i 1v1ed plenty of times on him like i do with any class i play...they didnt have ridiculous survivability at that time...and even then i limit my use of cds to make the fight as fair as possible and usually as close as possible...the irony of it all, is that since RoI i have only came out heal specced because of how faceroll easy warspeech is atm...does that sound like ezmode to you?
same goes for my burg...i actively participate in 1v1 circles...and again limit any sort of cds that give me ridiculous survivability and i dont even use stealth on him...a burg is what ive been playing for 4 years on lotro and can say that they arent even close to as op as they once were...
even my warg...i made my warg when they were one of the weaker creep classes...low survivability...meager dps...could get blown up by every freep class out there...i stuck with it cuz i liked it...it was fun and challenging...i didnt hop on the fotm class sorta like how everyone made ba's back awhile ago...or how everyone plays a minstrel now...or the ever increasing amount of shield traiting wardens in the moors...the changes the wargs received was nice...definitely what a creep class should be like...it is currently the closest creep class that can match the strength of freepside...and its only op compared to the other creep classes
Its not even like i try to tell ppl im leet...i know that there are plenty of ppl that talk to me both freepside and creepside...some talk #### and some think of me as a good player...its not me saying im the best or whatever...heck even on the 4 servers i have played on over the years...id say im average at best...
and now we got you...trying to say im a leet ezmoder because i told everyone how you didnt actually play in the moors before RoI on a mini...after you tried to say on multiple occassions...
<-----was fully around and moors-active pre-RoI for any haterz
just to justify yourself for playing a mini now...i dont know about you...but that sounds alot more ezmode talk than what i have said...
Originally Posted by billybob321
I'm gonna stop playing my mini and use my burg and warg! freaking ezmoders...
i dont get what you are trying to say here...i never have picked a single class and just played it for a few weeks...i play all my toons regularly out there...sure some more than the other...but definitely played my burg and warg the same time i played my mini
sry i cant say that to the one that has been playing just a mini these last few weeks
Adino is back -- maybe the constant raids that are made for EC can be put to good use...
When I played Akara, I fathomed Adino's playstyle because I would get zerged all the time when he was out; and called out when I camped his poor, little helpless raidbabies by myself...
...and last night, when I was on my little newborn 75 burg, I noticed I was suddenly being hunted down by a creep zerg less... because they were all occuppied with Adino
And I'd just like to say that you can never truly judge Adino until you've played on both sides
OMG. A welcome back thread turned ugly. If you don't like someones play style, so be it. But let them play the way they want and you play the way you want. This is a game and everyone is allowed their opinion but don't go trying to troll and turn a nice post into this.
Thought often gets in the way of truth. Pain clears the mind of thought.
But all thoughts free our mind, and let the truth make itself known.
I played my LM today for about two hours at a 1v1 circle/soloing today and my cappy yesterday. I do play my mini a lot but it is also my newest toon? I just find it amusing someone who plays stealth classes(both of which are extremely ezmode) complains about a mini. I have played this mini for at most a month and have almost 1k deaths. My cappy and LM together have about 2k deaths and I've played them both much much more. Sure the mini is EZ and OP but when you consistently are having 5+ wargs pounce you at the same time you have no chance whoever you are. The only reason I'm on my mini the most is because its the only toon I have that can still solo when there is a creep zerg out(which has been happening a lot).
I played my LM today for about two hours at a 1v1 circle/soloing today and my cappy yesterday. I do play my mini a lot but it is also my newest toon? I just find it amusing someone who plays stealth classes(both of which are extremely ezmode) complains about a mini. I have played this mini for at most a month and have almost 1k deaths. My cappy and LM together have about 2k deaths and I've played them both much much more. Sure the mini is EZ and OP but when you consistently are having 5+ wargs pounce you at the same time you have no chance whoever you are. The only reason I'm on my mini the most is because its the only toon I have that can still solo when there is a creep zerg out(which has been happening a lot).
im sorry...but i cant seem to find out where im complaining about the mini class in general...afaik all i have been saying is how i find it funny that xey is talking about ezmode...im not saying omg i cant kill minis they are too op!!...because i have and still do kill minis...
anyways...id rather be pounced by 5 wargs as a freep than fighting 5 minis as a creep...atleast most freep classes have cds that can buy them time to get away if needed...or for certain other classes...to kill a one of two before dying...thats just not the case creepside
and btw...everytime i see your mini...proton is always around...that doesnt really seem like soloing to me :P
My captain was just out yesterday, did some raiding and soloing, I was also healing for a raid on my mini. I've been saving up comms to get audacity gear for my captain right now.
I also didn't say that on multiple occasions, but thx for quoting an old post from a different forum that I justified myself for saying. As I said, mixed up release dates of skyrim and RoI.
I'd spend a lot more time playing different characters if I wasn't a full time university student especially with final exams going on, you know
OMG. A welcome back thread turned ugly. If you don't like someones play style, so be it. But let them play the way they want and you play the way you want. This is a game and everyone is allowed their opinion but don't go trying to troll and turn a nice post into this.
I hear raiders use this argument a lot and it's a lousy one steeped in denial. The problem that people fail to admit is, 24 keyboard mashers facerolling everything they see, do not allow anyone else to play as they want. Raids control how everyone in the Moors plays. Hard to roam, solo, small group, etc. when you have a permanent raid on either side stomping everything they see. It forces people to raid up or log. I've been in Adino's raid, I've been in creep raids, I've stood and watched it happen and I've been on the receiving end of the stomp more often than not as a preferred non-raider. That's why people comment.
Back in the day, the Moors would often largely be a dead zone because most freeps would not come out of hiding unless Adino was out to lead them. Most were too afraid to lose their stars and/or had no idea how to play.
Posting anything in a public forum opens up the opportunity for all to comment. There is nary a thread that doesn't have at least a little trolling or negativity. Right or wrong, naughty or nice, it's just the way it is. If you only want sunshine and rainbows, best to take it to a person direct. Actually, it's best to not even PvP. A big part of PvP is and always has been verbal as well, unfortunate or not.
Originally Posted by billybob321
I just find it amusing someone who plays stealth classes(both of which are extremely ezmode) complains about a mini.
The only reason I'm on my mini the most is because its the only toon I have that can still solo when there is a creep zerg out(which has been happening a lot).
He's been playing stealth classes forever through buffs and nerfs, most people playing minis now only showed up after the OP update. He also has a mini, so would be extremely familiar with the class and just how broken it is.
There is nothing ezmode about a class simply because it's stealth. Stealth classes are not OP because they can stealth. Sure, you can just gank and run, but any class can do this (not just wargs and burgs), especially freepside with all the bubbles and various CDs. On top of it, you get little for your effort in the grand scheme of things as opposed to actually fighting.
Not to mention Alsander, since he is the main target here, can put up a great fight against anyone without even blowing CDs or using stealth. It's not the class, it's the player. Most of the burgs and wargs out there are terrible and resort to ezmode ganking and CD blowing, as you are obviously well aware due to the warg packs zerging soloers. But there's several burgs/wargs that do not do this because they know how to play.
A mini, currently, can literally just mash buttons without a care in the world and destroy people, that's what makes makes the mini class so broken and OP. It's not hard to see when known less than stellar players are on mini now blowing people up with little effort, when in the past the spent their time running away or getting blown up in a 1v1.
And just to balance it out, there's plenty of freep zergs as well. It's nothing new, it happens on both sides.
I am personally ok with this but not so much as well.
1. I was getting bored with full red map for long periods of time
2. However with many high ranked creeps leaving, I could imagine prolonged periods of a full blue map especially with the massive raids Adino leads and loss of high ranked creeps.
Either way, I'm interested to see what turns out in the next few weeks.
I know first hand and for a fact that most freeps that roll in his raids do NOT leave GV or said keep without 1) Permission to turn over the watch to another. 2) A group.
Gooood. Goooooood. Let the butthurt FLOW thru you guys.
Tbow just because I am a raid baby, doesn't mean you should call me one; if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all. One raid of freeps fighting a raid of NPCs and occasionally finding a creep to 24v1 is so much more fun and challenging than PvPing. What's the difference between 24v1ing someone I can't kill in a 1v1, and losing to the person in the 1v1?? This is a game and I can force you to play the way I want, now that I have my fearless leader to fight for me; you need to leave this server if you don't want to be affected by the zerglets' invasion!!!!!!!!
Fixed it for you; you're welcome.
Adino reminds me of Barack Obama. All the lazy people who can't achieve anything by themselves look up to him because he gives free handouts and encourages laziness!
Well, it seems there are many positive and negative feelings about Adino returning. I had a blast running with Adino when I was freeping. I have a blast now on my warg. Just like I have said many times, the Moors has natural ebb and flow. Learn to adapt, or delete your toon. Stop being so scared of change. Adino always brought huge fights to Ridder. Had quite a few of them yesterday. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. I also made a good bit of infamy while having fun...and that's why I play....to have fun. Today, he raided up to take keeps....so be it. I found I couldn't get much infamy fighting his group with the 4 minis in it, so I roamed around. I got 1600 infamy killing those that weren't in his raid and also killing those coming back from the rez. If you haven't noticed, many freeps that can't beast their way out of a wet paper sack come to the Moors when he is raiding. If you want easy kills, there they are. Regardless of your playstyle you can find ways to make the game fun for you just by roaming around a bit. If you don't like the raid, stay away from it. In any case, since this thread was a welcome back thread, welcome back Adino.
Originally Posted by billybob321
I just find it amusing someone who plays stealth classes(both of which are extremely ezmode).
Last I checked, 90% of the wargs on this server are free renown.....so wargs are far from an Ezmode class buddy. Don't fool yourself. If it turns out that 90% of them are beating you 1v1, then maybe its time to adjust the settings of your playstyle and learn a better rotation to beat the class. As it turns out, I can't beat a burg to save my soul 1v1 (even a badly played one). It's not because they are OP. It's because I haven't learned to fight them properly.
Last edited by Morbidi-Lost; Apr 17 2012 at 08:48 PM.
I disagree I think a stealth class is always going to have the advantage and in the end be very EZmode. I figured that was just a given. How is being able to surprise someone out of stealth, mez/stun lock them until they are dead and then disappear not OP? Seriously though how can you even argue that stealth isn't OP. It is in every single MMO PVP I've played.
For burgs..It isn't hard when you have full audacity gear, first age, and probably the best jewelry in the game to not stealth/cd's and win a 1v1...it is actually quite easy for a burg.
Sure a mini has some pretty ridiculous abilities with the right gear(VERY IMPORTANT). An under geared mini is just going to get rocked out in the moors and I see it happen all the time. Hell it happened to me just a month ago when I first went out there on my mini. I see one warg stun some minis and kill them before they can even move again. Minis get targeted hard for there OPness and usually are the ones dying. While other classes are sprinting or hipsing away from the battlefield..minis get to either...
A)Spam heal and hope you don't have creeps spamming you with CC(stuns silences fears roots) and focus firing you...both of which are always happening to me
B)Flop!!!! and hope you aren't flopping in the middle of creeps
C)fight and take out as many creeps as possible
Sure in a 1on1 or even 1on2 scenario these options are a lot more likely to happen and unfair..but lets be serious. This is Riddermark..zerg zerg and more zerg
I'm not saying the mini doesn't need a change or two(or three?) but stop focusing just on them and no other class(example:warg/burg) because they are OP as well.
In the end..Iamaspy has killed me on my mini many times because he understands his class mechanics and how to best use them against me. That is where the problem lies..not enough pvpers understand really how to PVP effectively. Minis are easily killed if you know what to do.
@Morbidi
Yes I know that a lot of wargs on this server are easy kills and "free reknown" but you also need to consider put those same players on lets say a reaver..then we'd actually see some free reknown.
Adino reminds me of Barack Obama. All the lazy people who can't achieve anything by themselves look up to him because he gives free handouts and encourages laziness!
Well, it seems there are many positive and negative feelings about Adino returning. I had a blast running with Adino when I was freeping. I have a blast now on my warg. Just like I have said many times, the Moors has natural ebb and flow. Learn to adapt, or delete your toon. Stop being so scared of change. Adino always brought huge fights to Ridder. Had quite a few of them yesterday. I enjoyed myself thoroughly. I also made a good bit of infamy while having fun...and that's why I play....to have fun. Today, he raided up to take keeps....so be it. I found I couldn't get much infamy fighting his group with the 4 minis in it, so I roamed around. I got 1600 infamy killing those that weren't in his raid and also killing those coming back from the rez. If you haven't noticed, many freeps that can't beast their way out of a wet paper sack come to the Moors when he is raiding. If you want easy kills, there they are. Regardless of your playstyle you can find ways to make the game fun for you just by roaming around a bit. If you don't like the raid, stay away from it. In any case, since this thread was a welcome back thread, welcome back Adino.
Completely agree.
Basically sums up what I didn't add to my earlier post lol.
Welcome Back Adino.
In the end..Iamaspy has killed me on my mini many times because he understands his class mechanics and how to best use them against me. That is where the problem lies..not enough pvpers understand really how to PVP effectively.
That's why I say burgs/wargs are not inherently OP as a class. It's the player.
Most burgs/wargs are easy points.
Any class can become OP if the right player controls it whether creep or freep. We have a number of examples of ridiculousness where it seems the class is just so OP it's unfair, but it's actually the person controlling it that counts.
Mini is currently the class that any pea-brain can just pick up and go to town with, it requires little skill. Again, before my words are misunderstood, this is not to say there isn't a single skilled mini.
To me that's the definition of an OP class and why I, personally, focus on it most of all.
OMG! I didn't even know I was being nominated! Oh my gosh...I don't even have a speech prepared, but I guess I can wing it off the cuff.
*clears throat*
I would like to thanks all those who nominated me for the Raid Baby award first and foremost. If it wasn't for all my fans I wouldn't be standing here on this stage right now accepting this award, so again, I thank you. Next I would like to thank my PvP commander Adino. Without his leadership and direction, I would be out there soloing, just spam healing myself. Next I would like to thank my kinship leader Seboliver; without his thoughtful tutelage, I wouldn't even know how to pick up my keyboard and just roll it across my face (indeed he is that good of a kin leader). Currently we are working on a new method where I just mash my fingers on keys randomly but there are still some bugs to work out in the system before we bring it out into the Moors. Lastly I would like to thank our Dark Lord Cthulhu who will feast upon all our flesh and make this award seem trivial and quaint in the end. May he be victorious in his long battle against the weak and pathetic spaghetti God.
Adino reminds me of Barack Obama. All the lazy people who can't achieve anything by themselves look up to him because he gives free handouts and encourages laziness!
Thank you very much,
Meleo
Well thank you very much Meleo, how very mature of you. All I was doing was having a conversation with someone that has nothing to do with you at all.
Lastly I would like to thank our Dark Lord Cthulhu who will feast upon all our flesh and make this award seem trivial and quaint in the end. May he be victorious in his long battle against the weak and pathetic spaghetti God.
Adino reminds me of Barack Obama. All the lazy people who can't achieve anything by themselves look up to him because he gives free handouts and encourages laziness!
Thank you very much,
Meleo
You mean he reminds you of a progressive minded president, one of the better ones that your country has seen in a while? One that tries to follow reason and balance in his domestic dealings?
What a compliment. I had no idea you liked Adino this much, Meleo. I'll let him know of your fondness towards him.
Oh the hypocrisy of it all; Freeps create a raid or just hang out together in the Moors without being in a raid, and they are called raid babies. The creeps raid up to pve and zerg and it is perfectly alright. Why the double standard? I can tell you now that there are creeps who will deny that they raid up until their last and dying breath, and they will deny how many creeps were in their raid...and there are freeps who will also deny what is fact...Is it because they are afraid that their pride may be hurt, or is it an attempt to save face in order to look hip, slick, and cool in-game? Or is it easier to condemn in others what is disliked so that it makes them feel better about their own shortcomings? I guess there are those that are too worried about their in-game reputation to take a serious look in the mirror.
Freeps and Creeps both continue to play classes that have become OP. Should that make them some kind of pariah because that is what they enjoy. Before the mini was beefed up and became a dps class there was hardly anyone playing a Minstrel. It was damned difficult just to find a healer to help with pve raids in areas that used to be hard (CD, Moria, etc.). Before the last beef up on the BA, there were few playing that class because of how easy it was to be defeated. The same goes for the Warg class. Before U6, there weren't as many wargs as there are now. All of these classes, and some others as well, have one thing in common; and that is the fact that hardly anyone wanted the challenge of playing them until LOTRO made them attractive by buffing them up. Kudos to those that have stuck with their favorite class even when it was difficult. This all comes down to personal preference.
I have seen very few large raids since Adino left in January, but there have been some. I have seen some large creep raids (and been in some large creep raids) since January. Yes...I have been on creep side to see what it is like. I have experienced the creep zerg groups that at times have been quite large in number. I have been the brunt of their zergs and have no problem admitting that I have gotten a little butt hurt at being zerged by high ranking creeps while leaving a rez area, or questing for commendations; and I have been in freep groups that zerged in an identical fashion. I have also noted that those who play both sides do the same thing on both sides, and then troll like there is no tomorrow. I have been in EC when the zerg crews come in and tear the place apart for less than a handful of freeps. Why any freep should be held to a different standard and frowned upon when the same thing happens to OC is beyond me...That is just the same double standard that keeps popping up. Again...Why is there a double standard? HellifIknow!!!
There were some awesome RvR fights tonight in the Moors. There was a large creep raid led by Aza, or possibly more, and there was at least two groups of freeps. Adino had a raid going, and LSoP had a raid going. I was in a raid with my kinship, Lost Souls of Purgatory. The fact is, there were a lot of freeps, and a lot of creeps in the Moors in huge battles that lasted for hours...and we all had one helluva good time doing it. I died a helluva lot of times, killed a lot of creeps as well, and had a blast regardless...
The fact that there were raids on both sides makes moot the point that either side has "raid babies". It is a fact that neither side raids up 100% of the time. Earlier in the day there were creeps/freeps running solo, in small groups, and there were 1v1s going on...and there was ganking on both sides...It happens...There is a reason why LOTRO specifically calls the Ettenmoors a PVMP area, as well as PVP...Both styles of game play are going to exist...that will never change...It is the yin and yang of the Ettenmoors...Suck it up and get over it, or agree to disagree...
It is a fact that we are all in the Moors to have a good time. If you aren't having a good time and don't like the way others like to play, then take your toys and get in where you fit in...If trolling and QQing about other peoples play style makes you feel better, then more power to you, but is sure as heck doesn't get you any rep for doing it...Then again, who the hell is any one of us to rain on another player's hit parade anyway? Like the Paul McCartney song says, "Live and let die"...after all it is the Moors...Gaming experience is subject to change without notice...
Stars...We don't need no stinking Stars!
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"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~Mark Twain
Enough of the blood clot arguing...This is supposed to be a welcome back thread...
Welcome Back, Adino. Whether you are only here for a month, less, or more, it is good to see you again my friend
Stars...We don't need no stinking Stars!
“If you wound us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that” ~William Shakespeare
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~Mark Twain
Well, there are many you could call out for not stepping foot in the Moors since Adino left (Roskilde, Fake Boom, Pathogen, etc), but Altogo isn't one of them. As someone who hangs out in TS with Altogo every day, I can say that he has been working on his creeps. Taking a break from playing an OP freep class to rank creeps shouldn't be considered being a raid baby. And flipping to play with a friend you had not played with for a while shouldn't put you on the poor side of an argument either. But to each his own, I guess.
Cute to see how all the fail raid babies who wont step foot in the moors lately cause they get hurt, came out last night. lulz. Whats coming to an end? Freeps cowering in a keep like lost sheep? Good I say! Bout time you guys grew a set and quit playing like a bunch of noodle armed choir boys. Meh, if it takes a shepherd to lead you to greener pastures, ./shrug. PvP is PvP...names are just that, names. Im glad there was fighting last night, no QQ from me. You raid babies are all of sudden showing your cute chubby faces in the moors now....talk is cheap. Bring it, dont sing it.
Guner, the reason the map has been red is because freeps have failed to take anything back. Not our fault they get wiped in a fail drop pull. Dont know about the rest of you guys, but peeps i freeped and creep with, we dont give squat to anyone. You want a keep, you gotta earn it. Balanceed PvP is great, but a red map just indicates unwillingness by freeps to do anything about it
wasnt sure what u meant xD havent really been on during the day much since before monday...holidays ftw
Nothing would be finer than to suffer at the glorious, grasping tentacles of the almighty Dark Lord.
+tentacles and spaghetti to you!
Mmm, tentacles. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
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I had to clean my eyeglasses and reread, a little slower, what you wrote...At first glance I thought you wrote, "Nothing would be finer than to suffer at the glorious, grasping testicles of the almighty dark lord". Thank God I read it again...
Stars...We don't need no stinking Stars!
“If you wound us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that” ~William Shakespeare
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~Mark Twain
Enough of the blood clot arguing...This is supposed to be a welcome back thread...
Haha you bum. You say that after a wall of text
I made a thread for the fights tonight. I think most people on both sides enjoyed the fighting.
Originally Posted by Morbidi-Lost
Well, there are many you could call out for not stepping foot in the Moors since Adino left (Roskilde, Fake Boom, Pathogen, etc), but Altogo isn't one of them. As someone who hangs out in TS with Altogo every day, I can say that he has been working on his creeps. Taking a break from playing an OP freep class to rank creeps shouldn't be considered being a raid baby. And flipping to play with a friend you had not played with for a while shouldn't put you on the poor side of an argument either. But to each his own, I guess.
I'll second that. I've played with Altogo on creep and freepside since and he is most definitely not a raid baby. I believe he enjoys all gamestyles whether it be solo, small groups or raids.
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