Thread: Stable Mounts Issue and Stuttering/Hitching issues

I had the stable mount issue before yesterday's update. At the time it seemed to happen more frequently if the lotro window wasn't the active window (I have the habbit of browsing the internet during my horse travels). After the update yesterday I had two instances of the stable mount getting stuck again, once was between Ost Guruth and the Forsaken Inn, the other was getting from the Forsaken Inn to Bree, so the lotro window not being active does seem to be a factor (like the WB-logo's music being kind of garbled when lotro isn't the active window during startup).

As for the lag issues, I haven't noticed then yesterday, except for the trouble my highest levelled characted had getting around Bree, but I kind of expected that with the festival going on there, that's probably more my computer (it dates back from before Moria was released) then the software.

Definetly still happening in Arkenstone Ettenmoors. Last lots of stuttering, freeze ups. At zone lines espcially around the coldfells zone i was freezing in place for 5-15 seconds crossing the line. The exact same freeze that I got stuck in when Arkenstone was shut down for 7 hours the other day before this update. I personally think its a flaw with the coding of audacity somewheres. If your still have trouble recreating this freeze up and lag go play out in arkenstone moors for a hour or two its bound to happen.

Originally Posted by dafyd

I don't know if my 'lag'/'hitching' issue is the same that others have been reporting but I had tracked it down to be related to all of the writes the game did to the "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" file.

After today's patch I was also disappointed that my issue hadn't gotten better. I was preparing to /bug it with details and in the process I moved the file to another location so I could determine now fast the file grew (it was current 6.5MB or so). I had to restart lotro as the file was locked. I found that after moving the file (I think deleting it would work too), my lag/hitching was significantly improved.

Also, the file is now only 44KB. I had deleted the file a couple of weeks ago when I got suspicious about it, and it had grown back to the 6.5MB size in one play session. Now, after a decent session, it is only 44KB.

So, if you are still having issues, it is worth a try - delete "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" - no guarantee but it really helped me.

Anybody else try this?

I had a stable mount stop on the ride from Hobbiton to Michel Delving last night. (I submitted a bug report immediately) Later on the stable ride from W Bree to Hengstacer Farms it stopped again for a moment, but restarted.

The lag initially seemed better but as the night progressed became worse and worse, becoming nearly unplayable at times in the Moors.


Note: I have my graphics turned down to try and compensate but this does not help, nor have I had excessive lag previous to the update.


I use win7 64 bit, with a Radeon HD 5700 series card running DX11. Send me a message if you need full specs for more info.

I did /bug the stable issues. They aren't fixed. My stable route from Bree to Hengstacers got stuck and ran in place at the mail box in bree. He isn't even supposed to try to go behind the mail box but someone put some peanut butter back there and... well, you know horses. The mount never tried to correct his path either. He just galloped in place and never tried to change direction or angle. He thought the mailbox should move and he is very stubborn.

It worked when I dismounted and tried again, so, just like last update, its not 100%, but it still happens.

Lag is hard to tell. I think its not fixed, but population is up so much in the festival areas its expected to some extent.

I do not believe Turbine fixed the lag issue. It's still noticeable in raids/ettenmoors/stable horses.

Nothing changed for me. Horses still desync and stop and the lag spikes still occur (particularly visible in highly populated zones/group instances).

Just to support most people here, our little raid alliance on Laurelin fought Saruman (T1) yesterday.
The same old seconds-long freezes that happens to everyone in the raid group simultanously are still there.

It did, however, seem like the skill lag is less serious than before update 6.1, but it could simply be wishful thinking on my part.

Several times for me has my horse just stopped halfway form one point to another at about the halfway point on most of my trips in moria. can't begin to tell you how bad that is!!

A fellow kinship member had her stable horse stop somewhere between Ost Guruth and Rivendell last night.

No changes for me either concerning the lag issue, have had 2-3 second stops when playing yesterday after the update - and people I played together with experienced the lag at the same time.

Only tried one horse route yesterday, and that worked. Can't confirm though whether it was fixed for good, since they seem to appear only sporadically anyway...

I hope you'll find the issue soon, Turbine, would be great! Good luck!

Oh, and on a side note: happy anniversary!!! Lotro rocks

My horse stopped yesterday on the route from westbree to buckland.

Turbine should have been more specific about what exactly they fixed in this round. That would allow those with some computer experience to diagnose and report better.

IMHO the reluctance to tell us what was fixed in the client indicated that they weren't sure about it from the start.

Sorry. Bad style.

6.1 didn't appear to fix any of the issues I was having before 6.1.
Nothing's changed. Same problems others have already documented in this thread (and all the other threads).

It's sad that I can only use "just log in and try to do something" as a step-by-step description of how to replicate the issue.

There was a new twist on it, though - at some points my character would be auto-attacking while I had marching ants around 2 or 3 skills waiting to go off. Hadn't seen that one before.

I'm still having the little hitch where it snaps you to another point on the grid. It's especially noticeable at a crafting station.

Thanks for the reports everyone. We're looking into it. We at least know what it wasn't.

I had NO lag or skill lag before U6.
I experienced the skills lag and simultaneous Lag in fellow since the Update 6.
With update 6.1 one think is fix : the loading time is back on track as it was before U6.
I still experience the Skill lag and the fellowship simultaneous Lag.

BUT (this is probably related) A NEW BUG :

Im a Lore-Master and 2 times yesterday when I left a fellowship and respawn at Galtrev my Spirit of nature Sprint away from me to the galtrev city Border.
I dismissed it no big deal.

one hour later out of another instance ...

Same thing My pet Ran away from ME. (I was in galtrev again) And i think He was walking to reach the instance VERY far away.

More LM have seen that?

Experienced some weird behavior last night. Since U6 I have had some, but not all of the issues: I've never had a stable horse work incorrectly (well, more incorrectly than usual), but I have seen the stuttering "lag" get particularly bad sometimes, especially in instances, as well is some serious skill delay and rubberbanding (notice this especially when running out to DPS Draigoch's body - almost always get some rubberbanding there).

Last night, though, I'm running around Bree for the festival stuff. I'm running through that elevated part of the Old Stone Gate, over where no one ever is, and I get a perma-rubberband. Trying to walk forward, I teleport 10 feet back and continue to run forward, over and over, for about a minute and a half. During this time I saw another player walk by, chat continued to scroll, FPS never dropped, connection status indicator showed 0.0% loss continuously. I was tempted to see how long it would last, but eventually got bored and just stopped moving forward and ran the other way instead, which fixed it immediately.

Last night I purchased a stable mount ride from bree to the forsaken inn. A little outside Bree, it just stopped. Nothing. I waited about 2 minutes, then dismounted and went on my own horse. I also noticed several long delays in skills activating that I have never seen before.

Originally Posted by Gylve

Last night, though, I'm running around Bree for the festival stuff. I'm running through that elevated part of the Old Stone Gate, over where no one ever is, and I get a perma-rubberband. Trying to walk forward, I teleport 10 feet back and continue to run forward, over and over

Are you sure there wasn't supposed to be some obstacle, like a fence, hut, campfire whatever?
Because that's exactly what happens when my client fails to display some object again (sometimes entire buildings are missing until i restart the game), other people likely just see you running in place against something. I have that problem on long play times since ages...

However i did have a bad rubberband-experience today too, was trying to mine some copper, wondered why my character wouldn't dismount even after several right clicks, until i noticed it was giving me "out of range" errors and then got pulled back several meters. Though walking to the ore again worked.

I also had several occasions where trying to attack an enemy or starting a firework had several seconds of lag, and movement of other players looking very unsteady.

Originally Posted by Sapience

Thanks for the reports everyone. We're looking into it. We at least know what it wasn't.

Tell the devs that i can feel their pain, debugging MMO servers has got to be one of the trickiest things in software engineering...

I was lagging pretty badly when I logged in today. I tried to select a mailbox then /follow to it and my character kept bouncing around the mailbox, you know like what you get when you overrun your /follow target, turn around then run to it and overrun it again, turn around then...? I'd call that fairly serious lag. I logged out after only a few minutes.

Originally Posted by Gylve

Last night, though, I'm running around Bree for the festival stuff. I'm running through that elevated part of the Old Stone Gate, over where no one ever is, and I get a perma-rubberband. Trying to walk forward, I teleport 10 feet back and continue to run forward, over and over, for about a minute and a half. During this time I saw another player walk by, chat continued to scroll, FPS never dropped, connection status indicator showed 0.0% loss continuously. I was tempted to see how long it would last, but eventually got bored and just stopped moving forward and ran the other way instead, which fixed it immediately.

Just wanted to mention that I've been experiencing this particular behavior for a long time, like more than a year. There appears to be a server switch right around the crest on the wall that often-times doesn't handle the switch very well. The worst seems to be hitting the steps to the crest from the Beggar's Alley side. If you come from the Vault side, it's rarely a problem. It's been so consistent across characters, across accounts, across servers, that I typically will come to Beggar's Alley from the Vault area, and never vice-versa. If all my character needs to do is claim the Crest, I'll turn around and go back the way I came, just to avoid the possibility of the continual rubber-banding. So at least for me, this problem is not related to the issues introduced in Update 6.

My stable-goat is currently static at 12.4S, 108.2W in Zelem-Melek.

Start: Twenty-First hall
Destination: Anazarmekhem

I have had an ongoing e-mail dialogue with Turbine CustomerSupport for a couple of weeks now and they have suggested I post my issue tothis thread. It is not a stuttering/hitching issuer per se, so it may not berelated, but it did start occurring following the Update 6 patch.
Specifically, I experience skill lag whenever my target alarge number of buffs/debuffs (it becomes noticeable around 3 rows and getsworse the more icons there are). When it occurs, if I switch to targetforwarding through someone else, the skill lag dissipates almost immediately. Theissue is significantly lessened by playing with DirectX 9, games soundsmuted, and debuffs in a separate row. Video and engine speed levels don’t seemto affect it. The phenomenon occurs when I am solo and there are only a fewother players around (i.e. targeting a Warden soloing an entire keep with 7rows of exaltation of battle buffs), but seems worse when I am grouped(probably because there are more debuffs on the targets).
I have been playing mostly creepside and cannot comment on whetherI suffer from the stable mount or crafting station issues. I have experiencedthe random lag spikes when everyone else in the group suddenly shouts “laaaaag”but I’m not convinced the two are related.

Lags still exist for me since U6!

I had another stable horse go on strike en-route from West Bree to Hengstacer's Farm. I had to log the character out and then log back in to get him moving again. No, I did not ever experience this issue before update 6. This happened on Vilya server.

Originally Posted by Sapience

If you are still experiencing the Hitching/stuttering issues that were a result of the Update 6 client issues, or the related Stable mounts issue, please post here.

The Hitching/stuttering is still in the game. (I had them to and read/heard from the others ingame to).
It is not so bad (for me) as before, but still noticeable at the crafting places or at NPCs.

Riding in a layered area caused changing the (stable) mount (started with a bright one, then change the layer and i was riding a dark horse). Changing the Layer even caused to be un-mounted: loading screen then the un-mount animation. happened twice during the festival-riding-quest, both time in bree (April 17.) with two different chars.

CA

Getting a lot of rubber banding and lag related issues around Bree.

Originally Posted by Sapience

If you are still experiencing the Hitching/stuttering issues that were a result of the Update 6 client issues, or the related Stable mounts issue, please post here.

Let me be very, very clear. This is for those issues specifically introduced in Update 6.

If you see some other issue, please use the /bug command in game and file a bug report. Do not post it here.

Obviously some missed your point...however, here is what I've experienced since U6:

1. If I open a game window (ie, friends list) I got stuck some where when renting a horse, this was early on in the update...since then I guess I work around it and not open windows.
2. Every great once in a while this would happen randomly for none of the above reason.

That's about all I can give you at the moment.

Swift travel horse stalled out on me. It has not happened every time though.

ok.so since the last five days(came out of the blue)my brother and i have been experiencing massive lag spikes,IF we are lucky.usually when we log in we can't move our characters AT ALL.we both play lotro on seperate computers.some times we can move and then other times we cant.we tried using the /stuck command but that comes up with"the connection to the server has been lost".i'd really appreciate any help to at least start moving(lag i can deal with)because im getting a one month vip tonight,and its my only chance to get vip for the next year.

Ihave /bug this three times today... Prior to this "fix" I had experienced it ONCE.... now I am afraid to use the stables.... sigh.

Oddly enough, I only ever experienced the "getting stuck on a rental mount" ONCE in the entire year and some (closer to 2) I've been playing. Yesterday I had it happen twice. TWICE!

I figured the stuttering/hitching issues had to be server load-related with people doing anniversary things -- but it was worse than ever and it prevented me from being credited with race wins twice. (I clearly crossed the finish line with my horse under me and then got the dreaded "you have lost the race".) That really disappoints me since I seem to have issues with those bridges ...


Anyway, I haven't seen whether anything has improved since yesterday. I hope it has.

Stuck traveling from Ost Garuth to the Forsaken Inn, right as you turn onto the road

Out of a number of rides in different areas, the one place it happened to me tonight was in Moria. Was riding from 21st to Dolven-view and just south of the scholar crafting instance the goat did a 90-degree turn and stalled.

Also the "crafting stutter" still exists. It's not a huge problem, but it's noticeable.

I've been experiencing some lag today, and one instance of a multiple second freeze (3-5 seconds). Also, I just had a stable horse get stuck riding from Hobbiton to Bree.

Originally Posted by dafyd
I don't know if my 'lag'/'hitching' issue is the same that others have been reporting but I had tracked it down to be related to all of the writes the game did to the "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" file.

After today's patch I was also disappointed that my issue hadn't gotten better. I was preparing to /bug it with details and in the process I moved the file to another location so I could determine now fast the file grew (it was current 6.5MB or so). I had to restart lotro as the file was locked. I found that after moving the file (I think deleting it would work too), my lag/hitching was significantly improved.

Also, the file is now only 44KB. I had deleted the file a couple of weeks ago when I got suspicious about it, and it had grown back to the 6.5MB size in one play session. Now, after a decent session, it is only 44KB.

So, if you are still having issues, it is worth a try - delete "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" - no guarantee but it really helped me.

Originally Posted by kidnova78

Anybody else try this?

I just checked that folder and the "browser" folder is large, but the TWebBrowswer/history file on my system is empty so that is not the problem, at least for me.

Just had a swift travel mount from the haunted in to Echad Sirion up & freeze on me. I /bugged it and here's a screenshot.

Originally Posted by dafyd
I don't know if my 'lag'/'hitching' issue is the same that others have been reporting but I had tracked it down to be related to all of the writes the game did to the "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" file.

After today's patch I was also disappointed that my issue hadn't gotten better. I was preparing to /bug it with details and in the process I moved the file to another location so I could determine now fast the file grew (it was current 6.5MB or so). I had to restart lotro as the file was locked. I found that after moving the file (I think deleting it would work too), my lag/hitching was significantly improved.

Also, the file is now only 44KB. I had deleted the file a couple of weeks ago when I got suspicious about it, and it had grown back to the 6.5MB size in one play session. Now, after a decent session, it is only 44KB.

So, if you are still having issues, it is worth a try - delete "The Lord of the Rings Online\browser\TWebBrowser\his tory.dat" - no guarantee but it really helped me.

Interesting! Mine was a whopping 11MB, I'm going to remove it and see if that helps. Will report back tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Kirvay

I just checked that folder and the "browser" folder is large, but the TWebBrowswer/history file on my system is empty so that is not the problem, at least for me.

Just explaining the bolded bit: it shows as empty because the file is in use while LotRO is running. It isn't empty though - you can right-click on it and select Properties and you'll see the real file size.

On topic: I still experience skill lags and random stuttering. Not sure if it's the same frequency as pre-6.1, I haven't had that much time to play since the patch. I did one Foundry-run on my Warden last night though, and that was pretty frustrating. Plenty of small skill lags causing my masteries not to fire off, screwing up my rotations and such.

I'm going to try deleting that file now. Mine is 31MB, which is apparently huge. I look forward to finding out if it works. Anyone know what that file does? Is it tracking the LOTRO in game browser usage?