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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    And just how many times am I going to get that pea green wall paint recipe? I swear I get two or three per character per run.
    Unfortunately (and inexplicably!), there is only one (1) Apprentice Scholar drop recipe*, and that's the paint. You'd think they would have... bah, as if they listen to reason, da bums. Every Tier 1 scholar scroll* will be pg paint, just accept it and move on.

    * (outside of festivals)

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    The way it looks the place to get the passages is in the lone lands. I'm getting them from the halforc watchman. My champion in the lone lands and my guardian about to start there, so maybe I can get enough of them to get my scholars next crafting level.

    I have gotten other scholar recipes, but the pea green wall paint is what I get 90% of the time. The other I may have gotten from chests rather then drops though.


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    Ok, this is something I have read about in the forum but never witnessed, now that I have witnessed it how do a report a griefing? I have a screen cap of the perpetrator but not the action. I wish I had had fraps open to have vid capped it. But I don't see or can't figure out how to report griefing.

    Don't get me wrong, sometimes being a victim of a forced emote can be a hoot. I mean the few times I have been hit with the forced river dance stomp was hilarious, especially when it effected the NPCs as well. But this is one of those things that has pushed me to the side of being able to opt out of forced emotes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    That sounds good, but some recipes don't drop. I've had to buy an armor recipe here and there simple because running 4 characters if I haven't got it, I probably wont get it in a drop.
    And just how many times am I going to get that pea green wall paint recipe? I swear I get two or three per character per run.

    Just ran through the north part of the barrows; yet again, and didn't get 1 passage. Went through all the crypts. I can understand some components being rare but these are practically extinct. A real PITA when they are absolutely necessary for so many of the recipes for that level. So my choices are too keep running my characters through the barrows; there is also a couple places in the lone lands, or spend half a day farming to get the ingredients to make the dyes of that level.
    Did you go to Barrows with a scholar? Because thats what you need to do - to take use of all nodes scattered inside the the individual Barrows. Each of Barrows has at least one, but ofted two-three scholar nodes of the levels 2 and 3. You take level 2 nodes and sell mats, and take level 3 nodes for chances to get that elusive pages. If you as well do killing there, by time you turn around, nodes would have respawned a new. Killing is just a chance to get an extra - there are so many mats that drop in Barrows for levels 2 to 5 for a scholar. By time i ended second char doing all barrow deeds, my scholar was able to get kindred with Rivendell elves by crafting their rep mats, and skyrocketed from lvl 3 to lvl 6. now she needs Moria stuff to proceed.

    As for recipes not dropping, unfortunately that is true, some recipes i have newer seen as a drop. But there a a way more apprentice and journemyman scholar recipes droping - you get one for edelham token of that level, and one for each type of potion you can make, then there wall paints and dyes.

    Then you also can visit class trainers - some of them has recipes for sale for various professions for various classes, like making traps for hunters, burglar tricks for burglars, fire/light oils for hunters, shield spikes for guardians etc etc.

    Apprentice scholar recipes:

    Autogranted:
    Scroll of Minor Battle Lore
    Scroll of Minor Cooking Lore
    Scroll of Minor Jeweller Lore
    Scroll of Minor Metalworking Lore
    Scroll of Minor Scholar Lore
    Scroll of Minor Tailoring Lore
    Scroll of Minor Warding Lore
    Scroll of Minor Weaponsmithing Lore
    Scroll of Minor Woodworking Lore

    Acquirable:
    Gold Dye
    Gold Dye (x5)
    Lesser Athelas Essence
    Lesser Celebrant Salve
    Lesser Conhuith Draught
    Lesser Healing Draught
    Lesser Lhinestad Draught
    Lesser Milkthistle Draught
    Pea-green Wall Paint
    Sienna Dye
    Sienna Dye (x5)


    Journeyman tier (40 recipes):

    Autogranted:
    Scroll of Lesser Battle Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Cooking Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Jeweller Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Metalworking Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Scholar Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Tailoring Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Warding Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Weaponsmithing Lore
    Scroll of Lesser Woodworking Lore

    Acquirable:

    Ballad of Aiglos (for a quest)
    Fire-oil
    Grey Dye
    Grey Enamel
    Journeyman Overpower Tactics
    Journeyman Parable
    Journeyman Potion of Fervour
    Journeyman Potion of Focus
    Journeyman Scholar Expertise
    Journeyman Sheet Music
    Master Journeyman Jeweller's Journal
    Master Journeyman Metalworker's Journal
    Master Journeyman Tailor's Journal
    Master Journeyman Weaponsmith's Journal
    Master Journeyman Woodworker's Journal
    Minor Book of Beasts
    Minor Book of Nature
    Minor Book of the Dúnedain
    Minor Book of the Whisper-draw
    Minor Book of the Wind-rider
    Olive Dye
    Olive Dye (x5)
    Silver Inlay
    Simple Athelas Essence
    Simple Celebrant Salve
    Simple Conhuith Draught
    Simple Healing Draught
    Simple Lhinestad Draught
    Simple Milkthistle Draught
    Umber Dye
    Umber Dye (x5)


    Tier 3 recipes (55 recipes):

    Autogranted:

    Scroll of Battle Lore
    Scroll of Cooking Lore
    Scroll of Jeweller Lore
    Scroll of Metalworking Lore
    Scroll of Scholar Lore
    Scroll of Tailoring Lore
    Scroll of Warding Lore
    Scroll of Weaponsmithing Lore
    Scroll of Woodworking Lore

    Acquirable:

    Blue Enamel
    Book of Beasts
    Book of Nature
    Book of the Dúnedain
    Book of the Whisper-draw
    Book of the Wind-rider
    Bow Chant: Minor Breach-finder
    Bow Chant: Minor Foe-finder
    Bow Chant: Minor Shield-bane
    Expert Battle Tonic
    Expert Overpower Tactics
    Expert Parable
    Expert Potion of Fervour
    Expert Potion of Focus
    Expert Scholar Expertise
    Expert Sheet Music
    Gold Dye (x5)
    Gold Inlay
    Greater Athelas Essence
    Greater Athelas Essence (x5)
    Greater Athelas Extract (x25)
    Greater Celebrant Ointment (x25)
    Greater Celebrant Salve
    Greater Celebrant Salve (x5)
    Greater Conhuith Draught
    Greater Healing Draught
    Greater Lhinestad Draught
    Greater Milkthistle Draught
    Grey Dye (x5)
    Light-oil
    Master Expert Jeweller's Journal
    Master Expert Metalworker's Journal
    Master Expert Tailor's Journal
    Master Expert Weaponsmith's Journal
    Master Expert Woodworker's Journal
    Medium Expert Scroll
    Navy Dye
    Navy Dye (x5)
    Olive Dye (x5)
    Sienna Dye (x5)
    Sky-blue Wall Paint
    Small Expert Scroll
    Turquoise Dye
    Umber Dye (x5)
    Violet Dye
    Violet Dye (x5)
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    What I really want the passages for is the hunters light oil. What she makes is far better then I get from the shop.
    And no I haven't had my loremaster through the barrows yet. She is just finishing in the old forest, so the barrows are next.

    For some reason my gaurdian is catching up with my champion's level. Do hobbits or gaurdions get some exp bonus? My hobbit has done more of the shire quests, but most of them were green or gray at the time.


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    Argh! I've missed some quest starters with my lore master so now I have to back track. Not sure what I missed where so I have to go back and recheck finished quests. The last ones I did was the south guard ruins, but I haven't picked up quests to move on. I know the barrows are next but I'm not at all sure what I missed where to pick up the barrow quests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    What I really want the passages for is the hunters light oil. What she makes is far better then I get from the shop.
    And no I haven't had my loremaster through the barrows yet. She is just finishing in the old forest, so the barrows are next.

    For some reason my gaurdian is catching up with my champion's level. Do hobbits or gaurdions get some exp bonus? My hobbit has done more of the shire quests, but most of them were green or gray at the time.
    No race or class has inherent exp bonus. but, you may have now know, where to go and how to do quest most efficient way, thus your levelling speed is skyrocketing. Or you did subscribe and gained VIP only rest-exp bonus (basically, if VIP stay away from game, it accumulates blue exp - exp that is added as double for kills, when VIP plays). VIP could also get thsi with DestinyPoints. Or is it store purchase for anyone. Personally, i think you jsut learned the best efficient way to level by now.

    Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!

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    I'd bet with Hatter - you're just more aware of how to get xp, consciously or no.

    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    I have gotten other scholar recipes, but the pea green wall paint is what I get 90% of the time. The other I may have gotten from chests rather then drops though.
    I'd be very interested to hear what you think this other 10% is, since there simply are no other (non-fest) apprentice drop recipes listed for scholar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Ok, this is something I have read about in the forum but never witnessed, now that I have witnessed it how do a report a griefing? I have a screen cap of the perpetrator but not the action. I wish I had had fraps open to have vid capped it. But I don't see or can't figure out how to report griefing.

    Don't get me wrong, sometimes being a victim of a forced emote can be a hoot. I mean the few times I have been hit with the forced river dance stomp was hilarious, especially when it effected the NPCs as well. But this is one of those things that has pushed me to the side of being able to opt out of forced emotes.
    You can click on the player name in chat window and right mouse click call up a meny. One of options is to report harassment.

    Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!

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    Thanks, I'll try that the next time I fall over an incident.

    I figured out my blunder, I don't follow the story line that close. I read the Tolkien series years and years ago; like before most of the people in the movie were born lol So I'm more into the Tolkien atmosphere then the story. Bombardil{?} gives you the first quest in the barrow.

    My 22st level loremaster is doing ok, she can handle 2 maybe 3 enemies at a time, but half a dozen bats will do her in fast. I had trouble with the one escort mission but once she had her 22nd level and moved up in armor and staff, she got it done.
    The problem I am having now is finding her journeyman simple athelas potion. I can't find it to buy it so I guess I will get it in a drop sooner or later.


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    Word of warning to farmers. Don't leave your crops unattended. There have been several times I have gotten sidetracked; AADD, and come back to an empty field I've gotten in to the habit of only planting 5 at a time because I know I will get bored and sort of mentally wander off lol

    I'm trying to get my scholar leved up fast right now, so farming for dye ingredients. I got a burgundy dye recipe but its for an artisan scholar.
    One of the crop drops I got was a saffron thread, can I assume at some point my tailor will have use of this?
    Still think it bites my farmer, lowest level character, is a supreme farmer and my tailor; highest level character, has opened artisan but not gotten the hides to do any of it lol

    My hunter is getting toward the end of the north downs and has quests in Evendim and Trollshaws, as well as having been in to Angmar; which I haven't bought yet. He's 36th level and I have been through most of the north downs with out being able to do tasks; out leved them before I got there. I've read the best way to avoid this leveling problem is to quest in both areas; evendim and trollshaws. But what about Angmar? Should I go ahead and get it now and quest it as well? Or put it off a bit?


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    The problem I am having now is finding her journeyman simple athelas potion. I can't find it to buy it so I guess I will get it in a drop sooner or later.
    Hit the AH, they can be found there sometimes. Crafting/Recipes/Scholar/Tier 2.

    (You may need to buy access to the AH to post items for bid/sale, but anyone can buy via the AH.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Thanks, I'll try that the next time I fall over an incident.

    I figured out my blunder, I don't follow the story line that close. I read the Tolkien series years and years ago; like before most of the people in the movie were born lol So I'm more into the Tolkien atmosphere then the story. Bombardil{?} gives you the first quest in the barrow.

    My 22st level loremaster is doing ok, she can handle 2 maybe 3 enemies at a time, but half a dozen bats will do her in fast. I had trouble with the one escort mission but once she had her 22nd level and moved up in armor and staff, she got it done.
    The problem I am having now is finding her journeyman simple athelas potion. I can't find it to buy it so I guess I will get it in a drop sooner or later.
    You can also go to the Bree hunting Lodge and check with the barterer, it trades some useful stuff for Bree rep stuff. Afraid, cant rememner if it was tier 2 or 3 pots there

    Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!

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    I didn't find it there. Still hunting around .

    My scholar finally got her next crafting level but had to go to rivendale to train up. Fun stuff for a 22nd level O.O her horse was pulled out from under her twice and she was killed 3 times, but got there.

    My 36th level hunter has yet to make it to trollshaws; for anything other then gathering hides. He is working on the quests in the north east of the north downs, and has started a few quests in evendim, but he should be questing in trollshaws and/or angmar. Being a completionest means my level is usually higher then my quests. I'm not too worried but it does seem my hunter has come to a stand still leveling.

    The rest of my characters are catching up fast. Each getting through quests and areas faster then the last. So yes, having been through them before means I can avoid getting lost or wandering looking for items/areas/bosses. My hunter took forever to get through the old forest and the barrows, my latest character; the loremaster, just danced through them fast. A bit too fast so I need to go back through to get recipe components.

    Seems my characters are getting caught up with each other in the lone lands. My hunter still has a couple unfinished quests there. My champion has just started on the quests in hagamar/harloeg. My guardian is working on quests in nain nioh{?} area. And my loremaster is doing the quests between the barrows and the lone lands.

    So does the lone lands have more quests? More area to cover? Or is the lone lands some sort of bottle neck where level progression slows down?

    My elf got her return to rivendell race skill, never been there, doesn't seem to help her much. She's a weapons smith and needs a superior forge. Not one in the crafting area of rivendall.

    edit to add: My character Snamnat the hobbit guardian won a lottery
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    I got a burgundy dye recipe but its for an artisan scholar.

    One of the crop drops I got was a saffron thread, can I assume at some point my tailor will have use of this?
    A lot of these questions you can find quick answers for in the Wiki, far faster than the community can (or, realistically, will) respond:
    (IRL saffron "threads" (actually a part of a flower) are used in cooking (most often in Indian cuisine), but also the color is a wonderful yellow dye.)

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    Yes, but I am muteling through with just a partial understanding of what I've read. It usually takes reading the same thing written a couple of different ways to get it.

    I appreciate the links, the more info I can read on a subject the better I understand it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My scholar finally got her next crafting level but had to go to rivendale to train up. Fun stuff for a 22nd level O.O her horse was pulled out from under her twice and she was killed 3 times, but got there.
    Try that at level 15 with NO horse at all.

    Actually, if you go in the daytime and NEVER STOP, it's quite doable.

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    Problem with the High Moor (the area between the Ford of Bruinen and Rivendell) is that the (~Lvl 40) mobs have both high Stealth, so you often run right over them without seeing them, and a MUCH higher aggro radius, so you only need to run "near-ish" to them to trigger it. Double bonus.

    On horse you can sometimes outrun them (at least until you're unmounted). On foot, esp if you don't have a speed bonus, you're in for a world of hurt. Generally not recommended.

    (If you need to get to Rivendell regularly, you should find a Hunter who can 'port you there the first time, make sure you tag the Stable/Travel Destination, and then buy rides there whenever you need - often far more reliable than stumbling around on your own mount.)

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    One piece of advice I'd like to give to all newbies is always speak with stable masters.
    Even if it's for a boat lol

    When I get to a new area with a character I will go out of my way to speak with stable masters; that cost my loremast a horse and dieing twice. But I do have that stable on my list now. Travel isn't too bad, I can get to most places in a few minutes, but some times it's like connecting flights to get there.

    I hit a first today, quest cap. I couldn't get any more quests because I had too many going. LOL
    My hunter has just been snagging quests as he gets to them, so now he has 42 open. Most in evendim, but I have them from epic vol 1 book 3 to making ranger sashes. lol I was just so happy I was finally some place where I could get pristine hides from the mobs, while doing quests. I didn't realize I had 6 quests done, just needed to get back to the quest givers lol

    I don't do the skirmishes. I did the first one with my hunter but it seemed too much like an escort mission, didn't really like it. So just how necessary are the skirmishes?
    When I first started it was during the big celebration and I was getting tokens in drops I could trade for marks; I still have quite a few. But what I spent my marks on was the craft scrolls and recipe ingredients.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My elf got her return to rivendell race skill, never been there, doesn't seem to help her much. She's a weapons smith and needs a superior forge. Not one in the crafting area of rivendall.

    edit to add: My character Snamnat the hobbit guardian won a lottery
    Actually, there is a Superior Forge in Rivendell. It's inside the Imlad Gelair area, the entrance of which is on the south side of the bridge just east of the resurrection circle. It's an area that requires at least Acquaintance reputation with the Elves, and that's relatively simple to finish off (if you haven't already) with a few skirmish marks.
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    Ya, I saw that and was pretty frustrated by it. Seems there is no place I've found that has easy access to all superior facilities. As in at thorinsgate I have the superior forge but not the rep to use the superior workbench. In esteldin I've yet to find a superior forge, I hope I can find the superior library{?} for my scholar there or it will be some wild trips to rivendall.

    Seems to me collecting the components for the recipes is challenge enough with out having to quest for superior facilities. Doesn't seem you can find all 4 at one location. Farms here, forges there, and benches someplace else. A real PITA if your character has a double major craft, like farmer/scholar or weapons smith/woodworker At least till you have your rep built up to unlock access to superior facilities in a superior facility.

    This is why I would really like to see some crafting facilities in the homesteads. It would be nice to trade some crafts with the neighbors At least I think I have neighbors, I don't see them but I have to assume they are there; when I read it seems hard to find housing.

    I know it's not just me that sees this, but I see a lot of undeveloped possibilities in the game. Like all the different frogs. Modeling and texture a figure can take some time, if they went tot he trouble of modeling, texturing and naming frogs; different ones every where, there had to be a reason. The homesteads seem like they had something more in mind, but just didn't get back to it to fully develop it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    Ya, I saw that and was pretty frustrated by it. Seems there is no place I've found that has easy access to all superior facilities. As in at thorinsgate I have the superior forge but not the rep to use the superior workbench. In esteldin I've yet to find a superior forge, I hope I can find the superior library{?} for my scholar there or it will be some wild trips to rivendall.

    Seems to me collecting the components for the recipes is challenge enough with out having to quest for superior facilities. Doesn't seem you can find all 4 at one location. Farms here, forges there, and benches someplace else. A real PITA if your character has a double major craft, like farmer/scholar or weapons smith/woodworker At least till you have your rep built up to unlock access to superior facilities in a superior facility.

    This is why I would really like to see some crafting facilities in the homesteads. It would be nice to trade some crafts with the neighbors At least I think I have neighbors, I don't see them but I have to assume they are there; when I read it seems hard to find housing.

    I know it's not just me that sees this, but I see a lot of undeveloped possibilities in the game. Like all the different frogs. Modeling and texture a figure can take some time, if they went tot he trouble of modeling, texturing and naming frogs; different ones every where, there had to be a reason. The homesteads seem like they had something more in mind, but just didn't get back to it to fully develop it.
    The first place in the game that has superior versions of all crafting facilities is 21st Hall in Moria. After that, the main town in every area has superior facilities. Until you get there, you can buy another map home skill and set it to where ever the superior facility you need happens to be. This is an alternative that makes Turbine some money, so they're unlikely to change the situation.

    I suspect the original reasons for having them spread out was to spread out crowds and to discourage low level crafting alts. When the game first went live, Turbine put a lot of roadblocks in the way of people who wanted to have alts who did nothing much but craft and never levelled much. The roadblocks didn't work very well; it wasn't too hard to work around them, but having superior facilities all over the original map is a legacy of that period.

    As you go on, you'll find a lot of things which started out seeming quite promising but which they never found the resources to get back to and upgrade. Housing and hobbies among them. So far as we know, Turbine's priorities have always been the systems which most people use most often. They have the stats to prove which systems those are. What seems to happen is that things like housing don't get a lot of use because they're underdeveloped. And because they don't get a lot of use, they show up as low priorities for development resources.

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    I see this in CG apps. Say a CG app has boning/rigging, so artists can model and rig their own figures. But the app can also make use of premade figures. The developer gets a lot of complaints about the premades not working well so work on developing the app to use them better. They do this with out realizing more people would be rigging their own figures if it wasn't such a complex PITA to do, and as such don't spend time improving the process to make it easier, and quicker to do.

    Personally I think there is a big gap between what most people want and what developers deliver because our requests are filtered through marketing and most marketers think they know what we want better then we do.

    Now I have been a beta tester for a long time, long enough I am feed up with it. My experience has been when it is a private or closed beta you; as a user, are in direct contact with the developers most of the time. When I was a beta tester for eutechnyx I actually not only raced against/with the developers, but actually raced with the big dog at eutechnyx; it was fun, he can't drive any better then I can lol But once a game/app goes to open beta/release candidate/full release, all of a sudden there are go betweens between the user and the developer. That is when things change and developers start working for the marketing dept rather then the users.


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    There's a superior study in Michel Delving at the Mathom House - you need acquaintance rep to use it, but it's not difficult to get.

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    Way off topic. She's a guy. An observation, not a judgement.

    Edit to add: Double WOOT, 2 of my characters won lotteries. Too bad I don't have this luck with the real world ones lol
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    I think I have my hunter spread too thin. I'm getting confused what tasks, deeds, and quest I need to get done in what area. They are all with in 5 levels, but it's 4 here and 3 there and 2 someplace else. I'm just so confused by too many options right now, I'm not sure which way to proceed.
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    I concentrate on one region or quest hub at a time. Works for me.

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    Definitely the top priority is your class quest under "hunter". Thats too good for a rewards to keep it delayed too long. In fact, it should have been done instant it became available. There's cool class abilities to be earned, deeds to be started etc etc...

    Next would be the epics, unless they are too hard for you right now.

    Then check Lonelands and NorthDowns, one at a time. Do all remaining solo quests in one, then move to other. If you see some group forming, ask to be a part of it, even if they do not plan to do the things you need - but they may be doing later things that you need too, if you ask them nicely.

    Next stuff would be go to Evendim and do serious questing there, starting with Oatbarton and proceeding nortwards to Dwaling, then Kings cross, then Tinnydir and then spreading all over the lake area.

    If you see some LFF advertising for Fornost, thats where these Fornost quests will do you good - Fornost is unsoloable on level and also probably for up to 15-20 levels over it's level. Otherwise just dont fret about them. Same for Garth Agarven quests.

    And last advice is, if you rightclick on the radar circle, there is option to load the 5 closest quests into your quest log, that way you wont be sent chasing wild geese on other side of map.

    Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!

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    I've set it to near by quests then scratched my head and wondered what it considered "near" lol

    My screw up with the quests was picking them up as I went by. So every time I got sent to talk to some one in some other area I would pick up quests. Now I'm paying for it by having to run all over to get them done and maxing my quest count constantly.

    But you're right, I need to get the class/craft quests done first, then clean these up area by area and not spread myself so thin again.

    Thanks.


    Edit to add: after logging in to check it seems most of my quests in the north downs are fellowship quests. Not sure if I want to drop them because some can be soloed. Also I have dropped higher level quests before because I couldn't manage them, then couldn't find/get them again once I had leveled up, so i am a bit apprehensive about dropping quests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My screw up with the quests was picking them up as I went by. So every time I got sent to talk to some one in some other area I would pick up quests. Now I'm paying for it by having to run all over to get them done and maxing my quest count constantly.
    I made that same mistake early on. Now I've learned it goes much smoother if you pick a hub to serve as your base of operations for a while. Take all the quests there. If some of them lead to other areas and then have follow-up quests, go ahead and continue the quest chain (since it gets confusing to keep track of the stories if if quest chains get too broken up), but don't take additional unrelated quests in those new areas until you've finished the hub you're focusing on.

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    I notice you've got no "Task" quests - turning in drop-loot for Reputation in an area, rather than just hawking it for coin. Rep is not "necessary", but it gets you nice advantages later on - the one that jumps immediately to mind is the goat from Thorin's Hall that you can ride in Moria (horses not allowed!).

    See: http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Task...etin_Board#FAQ

    As for the quests you do have, it's time to Cancel some of the grey ones (the ones way below your level). They won't give you much xp, the rewards are now relatively small and certainly below your Level to be useful, and you already have all the xp you need to get somewhere higher Level. You don't have to clean out a zone before moving on - that's purely a question of personal preference.

    As for Deeds ( hit [Shift + L}, for Deed Log), those are important, because they boost Traits (the things you configure at a Bard). So, if you haven't, go all the way back to the Shire and the Slug Slayer for the Agility Trait (forget which one that's named). Deeds also get you Turbine Points, for more content/nifty bonuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Hound View Post
    I notice you've got no "Task" quests - turning in drop-loot for Reputation in an area, rather than just hawking it for coin. Rep is not "necessary", but it gets you nice advantages later on - the one that jumps immediately to mind is the goat from Thorin's Hall that you can ride in Moria (horses not allowed!).

    See: http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Task...etin_Board#FAQ

    As for the quests you do have, it's time to Cancel some of the grey ones (the ones way below your level). They won't give you much xp, the rewards are now relatively small and certainly below your Level to be useful, and you already have all the xp you need to get somewhere higher Level. You don't have to clean out a zone before moving on - that's purely a question of personal preference.

    As for Deeds ( hit [Shift + L}, for Deed Log), those are important, because they boost Traits (the things you configure at a Bard). So, if you haven't, go all the way back to the Shire and the Slug Slayer for the Agility Trait (forget which one that's named). Deeds also get you Turbine Points, for more content/nifty bonuses.
    Based on his current play style I am going to guess that he normally has already out-leveled the task board in the area when he gets there, happens to me quickly on arrival in new areas.

    The way I normally do task is to quest in an area, turn in all the task I can and sell the extra items since I will just start over the next day. I don't pickup the task quest until I'm ready to turn in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Hound View Post
    I notice you've got no "Task" quests - turning in drop-loot for Reputation in an area, rather than just hawking it for coin. Rep is not "necessary", but it gets you nice advantages later on - the one that jumps immediately to mind is the goat from Thorin's Hall that you can ride in Moria (horses not allowed!).

    See: http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Task...etin_Board#FAQ

    As for the quests you do have, it's time to Cancel some of the grey ones (the ones way below your level). They won't give you much xp, the rewards are now relatively small and certainly below your Level to be useful, and you already have all the xp you need to get somewhere higher Level. You don't have to clean out a zone before moving on - that's purely a question of personal preference.

    As for Deeds ( hit [Shift + L}, for Deed Log), those are important, because they boost Traits (the things you configure at a Bard). So, if you haven't, go all the way back to the Shire and the Slug Slayer for the Agility Trait (forget which one that's named). Deeds also get you Turbine Points, for more content/nifty bonuses.
    That goat is a godsend. >.<
    Default goat has 31% Speed...
    I turned all my Guard items into Miner items just to get their rep up ASAP.

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    I had no tasks because I had finished what I had and hadn't picked up more; because of the quest cap. I have them now lol

    I only have two gray quests, they are in the lone lands. But even being gray and not fellowship quests, I still can't complete them. I take a run at them once and a while because I hate leaving things undone, and my scholar can use the drops lol
    That's vengeance comes and rhudaur's traitors. I'm not sure about the vengeance one but in the traitor one I keep stumbling over brigands with 3-4K moral and get my &&&& handed to me. I think I have 4 of the 12 I need and have died as many times.

    The hunter one is the tracks through evendim and I keep losing the trail and getting side tracked. But I'm going to get it done and vol 1 book 3, then the solos in the north downs. Where I want to be questing is where I can get pristine hides, my tailor crafting has been stuck for a while because where my hunter has been questing he just gotten medium hides. Hes getting the pristine ones now, so happy about that

    Also be glad to get my guild rep up so I can get the better recipes.

    I don't suppose anyone has a clue when angmar might be on sale again? I'm trying to make my TP last as long as possible. Been thinking about doing a 3 month subscription the next time I can spare them money; ya right lol, so I can save some TP getting what VIP unlocks. What I need is a metal smith and more bag space. I can save some time and mileage by not having to empty my bags so often.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lbcadden3 View Post
    The way I normally do task is to quest in an area, turn in all the task I can and sell the extra items since I will just start over the next day. I don't pickup the task quest until I'm ready to turn in.
    This is also how I do tasks. When I come in from hunting, I check my vendor trash against what the board is looking for and turn in tasks that I have the "stuff" for. That way tasks only take up ONE quest slot in my log.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post

    The hunter one is the tracks through evendim and I keep losing the trail and getting side tracked. But I'm going to get it done and vol 1 book 3.
    [spoiler]The arrowhead is in a bush next to the tall pillar with a star on it.[/spoiler]

    Spoiler tags don't work here?

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    Oh I found it, fell off a cliff fighting a wolf, went the wrong way up the bank and there it was.
    Got 2 of the fellowship quests in the north downs done, not sure why they were fellowship quests. The bumpy skin; cold drakes, stone drakes, was a cake walk, even 3 at a time. Leathery wings of the drake on the other hand.


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    My champion; on the other hand, only has 26 open quests. Twelve are tasks, which presents a problem, I'm not sure where to find what. I've been trying to find some table or map that shows what can be found where, but I'm just not wording the search right because I'm finding nothing. That is one of my big downfalls using a search, I'm never sure how to word it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manstan View Post
    My champion; on the other hand, only has 26 open quests. Twelve are tasks, which presents a problem, I'm not sure where to find what. I've been trying to find some table or map that shows what can be found where, but I'm just not wording the search right because I'm finding nothing. That is one of my big downfalls using a search, I'm never sure how to word it.
    Depends. It's basically level based and type based.

    Insects drop goos and filths, for example. Depending on level, it can be sticky, filthy, blackened, etc. Usually, the enemies in the area of the task board carry drop the items needed for tasks there.

    Furs and skins come from beasts such as wolves and bears.

    Carapaces come from insects and something else I think.

    Wings come from birds and bats.

    Broken weapons drop frum humanoid enemies.

    Scales are drakes and worms.

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    Big WOOOT Angmar is 50% off right now, and watch me do the happy dance
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