Thread: Dear Freeps

Do you guys ever feel bad playing Freeps?

Nope, never.

I get great enjoyment out of it.

Yes, I feel terrible. I often weep with guilt at all the times we pwned innocent creeps, the remorse I feel is so great I fear I cannot go on.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!

Trollolololol.

But in all seriousness, no. Freep has been my main character for nearly 4 years. Why ever would I feel bad?

In case this thread survives 10 hours before a lock.
You never know...

<wonders if the SWTOR 1.2 Patch will even be *close* to being done and servers LIVE before this runs it's course >

I do occasionally feel guilty about ruining the day of a lone greenie in the slugs. But other than that, no. I left Creepside in 2007 and haven't looked back, aside from the occasional day where I'm bored and feel like playing a Creep for a few hours.

I had a couple 2v1s and 3v1s last night, only lost once. I felt bad after the third time destroying the mini and rk.

I used to feel badly..."oh noes, did I pop a champ bubble on that solo warg?" But then 7 more wargs appears when I shing-shinged...

Nope, remorseless.

-B

Originally Posted by Baldornix

Nope, remorseless.

-B

Yes especially when they only have like 4-5k health and don't even take 2k off of mine :'( ESPECIALLY when they only leave me with under 100 infamy...

I have my own reasons of guilt. Sometimes I'll kill a lowbie once and let them pass. Other times I'll sit and watch them PvE, maybe even help if it's a neutral mob. If they keep attacking me through all of this I won't have a problem killing them.

Higher ranks, at least most that I come across solo that aren't in a wargpack, tend to be a mutual respect thing of bow and fight. Most of the time.

Yep its hard to sleep at night. What is worst is zerging someone on creepside and having them target me when they are helpless feelsbadman

Pick a side and stick with it...

Turbine shouldn't have allowed creeping and freeping on the same server, but that's water WAAAYYYY under the bridge.

Been freeping since 2007 not once ounce of guilt.

I once had a battle with guilt with Book 10 SoA Great Grams Camp...only reason I have a R4 warg. But I soon got over that because I realized that creeps didn't care about camping freeps when they had the advantage. Then I got wiser to the view of the meta-game and realized that people were playing both sides and they played the same way where ever they were and often went to whichever side was "winning" at the moment or had an OP class.

Now I just play the same class I started 5 years ago and I am proud to not be a "flipper" even though I get accused of being EZMode like I just started playing Mini post RoI.

Heck no, flattening 3-4+ keyturners in one go is hilarious. Casual MMO PvP'ers are hilariously bad.

It actually hurts me to play any of my freeps in the moors.When i got talked into bringing my rk out i think it took me 3 weeks for the bruises to heal from all the facerolling and i was actually starting to feel sorry for a certain high ranked ba that ended up getting kb'd about 50 times in a few hours even though i was trying not to kill anything so a certain mini in our 3 man group could get a title lol.

Any time i log on my mini right now i have to log off cause i feel like i need to take a shower and i can't seem to wash the filth of playing a mini off me ( nothing against those who have played a mini since day 1) and so my mini will probably stay 65 forever.But from my own experience the more unbalanced the game becomes the less i want to play the "OP" side even though i have much higher /played time on freeps then creeps(i actually have 6 75's with my burg being raid geared with a 75 first age sword and 4 more 60+ on bw alone) it just seems to get harder and harder for me to force myself to log on any of my freeps anymore.

This just in...


BULLETIN - ACTIVATION REQUESTED
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
ERIADOR WEATHER SERVICE
1100 PM EST (ERIADOR STANDARD TIME) FRI APR 13 2012


THE ERIADOR WEATHER SERVICE IN HOBBITON HAS ISSUED A


* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
TOL ASCARNEN IN CENTRAL ETTENMOORS...
HOARHOLLOW IN SOUTH ETTENMOORS...


* UNTIL 400 AM EST.


* AT 1000 PM EST...ERIADOR WEATHER SERVICE RANGERS INDICATED
HEAVY CREEP LOSSES CAUSING EXCESSIVE CREEP TEARS IN THE WARNING AREA
WITH QQ RATES EXPECTED TO BE AN INCH TO BRIEFLY TWO INCHES
PER HOUR THROUGH 1 AM. THIS AREA RECEIVED 2 TO 4 INCHES OF QQ
EARLIER IN THE DAY ON FRIDAY...AND THE GROUND IS SATURATED WITH CREEP BLOOD...SO
ANY ADDITIONAL HEAVY QQ WILL QUICKLY BECOME RUNOFF PRODUCING
FLASH FLOODING.


* RUNOFF FROM THIS EXCESSIVE CREEP CRYING WILL CAUSE FLASH FLOODING TO
OCCUR. CREEKS...STREAMS AND LOW WATER CROSSINGS WILL BE ESPECIALLY
SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE DANGERS OF FLASH FLOODING.


THIS WARNING INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING LOW WATER
CROSSINGS...


HOARHOLLOW BRIDGE EAST OF HOARHOLLOW...
STAB SOUTH OF TOL ASCARNEN...
WTAB WEST OF TOL ASCARNEN.


PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...


A FLASH FLOOD WARNING MEANS THAT FLOODING IS IMMINENT OR OCCURRING.
RESIDENTS LIVING ALONG STREAMS AND CREEKS SHOULD TAKE IMMEDIATE
PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CROSS
SWIFTLY FLOWING WATERS OR WATERS OF UNKNOWN DEPTH BY FOOT OR BY
HORSEBACK.


FLOODING IS OCCURRING OR IS IMMINENT. MOST FLOOD RELATED DEATHS OCCUR
ON HORSEBACK. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CROSS WATER COVERED BRIDGES...
DIPS...OR LOW WATER CROSSINGS. NEVER TRY TO CROSS A FLOWING STREAM...
EVEN A SMALL ONE...ON FOOT OR ON A GOAT.

2 craids will not save creeps

Originally Posted by Lookslegit

Heck no, flattening 3-4+ keyturners in one go is hilarious. Casual MMO PvP'ers are hilariously bad.

Great, another sentance is all keyboard turners are bad. I'm a keyboard turner, and I lose as many as 1v1's as I win (excluding minstrels and champs).

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Great, another sentance is all keyboard turners are bad. I'm a keyboard turner, and I lose as many as 1v1's as I win (excluding minstrels and champs).

"I lose as many 1v1's as I win except with the classes that I can't beat"

i dont know if this explains the situation :

Originally Posted by Warleadersneedlove

"I lose as many 1v1's as I win except with the classes that I can't beat"

That's because every champion I find blows every cooldown available.

I usually just run from minstrels.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

That's because every champion I find blows every cooldown available.

Just like creeps i find.

i'm one of the better rk's on the server, and it's safe to say that how an rk moves affects his chances of living more than anything else, so with that in mind..... I'm a keyboard turner, i do extremely well, and i actually find keyboard turning to be better than mouse turning as it also allows me to use the following techniques: basic kiting, circle kiting, pentagram kiting, orbit kiting and parallel kiting. mouse selection has the following benefits: I never hit a wrong skill due to a finger slipping off lets say, the alt key. i can Que skills quicker, and while maintaining my dps deselect a skill that is que'd whilst kiting to meet the needs of the moment, and whilst skills are qued i can use my mouse to look around, do some quick mouse turns to throw my opponent off if necessarily, and hover over buffs/debuffs to check the timers.
I do not find that keyboard turning puts me at a disadvantage. and find that my back is rarely ever exposed to my opponent, which happens in about 40% of the fight whilst mouse kiting for the average player......
the only classes for which keyboard turning is crucial is hunters and bad lm's. apart from that i find keyboard kiting to be superior to that of mouseturning, at least for my class.

discussion ended

btw no i don't feel guilty, i played my freep for over a year before i ever went to the moors.

I remember the first time I encountered a glory champ post-RoI. I remember him blowing 3 bubbles and thinking how ridiculous it was that I had to eat through a good 20k morale. Then, of course, after I got my 140 infamy off him, I got backstabbed by Pale.

Mouse-turning is an insignificant advantage; I solo just and many mouse-tuning freeps and key-turning freeps. Mastering your class and mastering how to kill your opponent's class is much more important then learning to mouse turn.

And no, I never regret playing freep or creep respectively. I have fun doing both. Even if it means being zerged by warg packs or freep raids.

Ya know, on the keyboard movement note, backing up while melee used to be about the worst thing. Now with wargs post-u6 shadow stance its about the best I've used. Hamstring, back up while they nip at your knees and hit a normal dps sequence...no more fuss with wargs that can mouse turn well and get behind you all the time.

Course ranked spiders are a completely different story...

-B

Originally Posted by Stevo6

That's because every champion I find blows every cooldown available.

I still haven't lost to a champ 1v1 on my spider and RoI is no different, even the ones that blow all their cooldowns. Don't know what your problem is.

High sensitivity movement and staying on top of your opponent is just about the only skill-related deal in this game which even then is majorly negated by kiting classes. That and reactiveness.

The rest is just skill knowledge and RNG

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Great, another sentance is all keyboard turners are bad. I'm a keyboard turner, and I lose as many as 1v1's as I win (excluding minstrels and champs).

You're bad.

Originally Posted by loki84

i'm one of the better rk's on the server, and it's safe to say that how an rk moves affects his chances of living more than anything else, so with that in mind..... I'm a keyboard turner, i do extremely well, and i actually find keyboard turning to be better than mouse turning as it also allows me to use the following techniques: basic kiting, circle kiting, pentagram kiting, orbit kiting and parallel kiting. mouse selection has the following benefits: I never hit a wrong skill due to a finger slipping off lets say, the alt key. i can Que skills quicker, and while maintaining my dps deselect a skill that is que'd whilst kiting to meet the needs of the moment, and whilst skills are qued i can use my mouse to look around, do some quick mouse turns to throw my opponent off if necessarily, and hover over buffs/debuffs to check the timers.
I do not find that keyboard turning puts me at a disadvantage. and find that my back is rarely ever exposed to my opponent, which happens in about 40% of the fight whilst mouse kiting for the average player......
the only classes for which keyboard turning is crucial is hunters and bad lm's. apart from that i find keyboard kiting to be superior to that of mouseturning, at least for my class.

discussion ended

btw no i don't feel guilty, i played my freep for over a year before i ever went to the moors.

TLDR but you're bad too.

Originally Posted by tmressler

I remember the first time I encountered a glory champ post-RoI. I remember him blowing 3 bubbles and thinking how ridiculous it was that I had to eat through a good 20k morale. Then, of course, after I got my 140 infamy off him, I got backstabbed by Pale.

Mouse-turning is an insignificant advantage; I solo just and many mouse-tuning freeps and key-turning freeps. Mastering your class and mastering how to kill your opponent's class is much more important then learning to mouse turn.

And no, I never regret playing freep or creep respectively. I have fun doing both. Even if it means being zerged by warg packs or freep raids.

Keyturn badster #3.

Originally Posted by Lookslegit

High sensitivity movement and staying on top of your opponent is just about the only skill-related deal in this game which even then is majorly negated by kiting classes. That and reactiveness.

The rest is just skill knowledge and RNG

^.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Normally I carouse these boards every other week for some lols, but I had to comment here.

If you keyturn, you're bad. Freaking bottom feeder bad. Reading these posts, I see nothing but scrubs who think so highly of themselves yet they turn their goddamned keyboards. I'm sure a few of these players know somewhat basic rotations and counters, maybe they're not mouth breathers and they have some situational awareness too. But when you're movement is trash, you're trash. Mouse turning doesn't make you pro, the combination of movement, reaction time, and good theorycrafting does.

Furthermore, there is always room for improvement. I used to think I mastered the Captain class by Moria. As time went on, I realized how foolish that was, even in such a simple game like LotRO. I messed with builds, swapped gear, analyzed what I did wrong so that I could get it right. This is what separates me from scrubs like SSN, Evilsteveo, Shakavag, Loki84, and every other window licker on the server. All I've seen/see is people denying they need to improve when it is painfully obvious that they need work. I'm all for casuals being able to PvP, without noobs there can be no pros. But please, don't bother contributing to PvP boards with your glorious advice and opinion when you deny that mouse turning is an advantage. Claiming it is a disadvantage is blasphemy.

As I said before, you can mouse turn and still not be a good player, as it is not the only requirement. Players who blend movement, theorycraft, reaction time, etc, always are standouts. Yelk, Boosted, Isindar immediately come to mind for this server, though there is a couple more.

Also, with all these people going to GW2, and a good lot of them thinking they're going to bust into the E-Sport scene and miraculously become PvP legends after sitting in Raids in this game is l0l0l0l. I'll be sitting at the top and asking you scrubs how the weather is down there.

I know what you bads are all thinking..


Inb4 Mass is a bad
Inb4 Inb4

Originally Posted by PvPLegend

Normally I carouse these boards every other week for some lols, but I had to comment here.

If you keyturn, you're bad. Freaking bottom feeder bad. Reading these posts, I see nothing but scrubs who think so highly of themselves yet they turn their goddamned keyboards. I'm sure a few of these players know somewhat basic rotations and counters, maybe they're not mouth breathers and they have some situational awareness too. But when you're movement is trash, you're trash. Mouse turning doesn't make you pro, the combination of movement, reaction time, and good theorycrafting does.

Furthermore, there is always room for improvement. I used to think I mastered the Captain class by Moria. As time went on, I realized how foolish that was, even in such a simple game like LotRO. I messed with builds, swapped gear, analyzed what I did wrong so that I could get it right. This is what separates me from scrubs like SSN, Evilsteveo, Shakavag, Loki84, and every other window licker on the server. All I've seen/see is people denying they need to improve when it is painfully obvious that they need work. I'm all for casuals being able to PvP, without noobs there can be no pros. But please, don't bother contributing to PvP boards with your glorious advice and opinion when you deny that mouse turning is an advantage. Claiming it is a disadvantage is blasphemy.

As I said before, you can mouse turn and still not be a good player, as it is not the only requirement. Players who blend movement, theorycraft, reaction time, etc, always are standouts. Yelk, Boosted, Isindar immediately come to mind for this server, though there is a couple more.

i gotta say i agree with a lot of this. although i might have been a bit nicer about saying it :P

i used to mouse turn and win a decent amount(shows how bad some people are...), then i said screw it i need to win more fights, then i learned to mouse turn. i have done 1000% better mouse-turning than i have key-board turning. but as he said its not everything. you need to know your class, and in theory the class's your fighting too.

the 3 he mentioned, i have all enjoyed 1v1'ing, and they are all excellent players. yelk being the exception as i have never had the chance to fight him, so i cant comment.

movement in this game may not be everything, but it sure is a hell of a lot in 1v1's. ranged/kiting class's can get away with key-board turning more than melee class's due to being able to keep a decent distance between them and the target, but for melee it is imperative if you want to be good.

bottom line is, sure you can win key-board turning, as you obviously know your class if your winning, but mouse-turning would make you that much better.


@kaly. never had a problem with fingers slipping off of alt-ctrl-shift, as i dont use them. its called key-mapping and its a wonderful thing.

Originally Posted by conquistadore

Just like creeps i find.

creeps have cooldowns?! would love to play that creep class

Originally Posted by PvPLegend

You're bad.



TLDR but you're bad too.



Keyturn badster #3.



^.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Normally I carouse these boards every other week for some lols, but I had to comment here.

If you keyturn, you're bad. Freaking bottom feeder bad. Reading these posts, I see nothing but scrubs who think so highly of themselves yet they turn their goddamned keyboards. I'm sure a few of these players know somewhat basic rotations and counters, maybe they're not mouth breathers and they have some situational awareness too. But when you're movement is trash, you're trash. Mouse turning doesn't make you pro, the combination of movement, reaction time, and good theorycrafting does.

Furthermore, there is always room for improvement. I used to think I mastered the Captain class by Moria. As time went on, I realized how foolish that was, even in such a simple game like LotRO. I messed with builds, swapped gear, analyzed what I did wrong so that I could get it right. This is what separates me from scrubs like SSN, Evilsteveo, Shakavag, Loki84, and every other window licker on the server. All I've seen/see is people denying they need to improve when it is painfully obvious that they need work. I'm all for casuals being able to PvP, without noobs there can be no pros. But please, don't bother contributing to PvP boards with your glorious advice and opinion when you deny that mouse turning is an advantage. Claiming it is a disadvantage is blasphemy.

As I said before, you can mouse turn and still not be a good player, as it is not the only requirement. Players who blend movement, theorycraft, reaction time, etc, always are standouts. Yelk, Boosted, Isindar immediately come to mind for this server, though there is a couple more.

Also, with all these people going to GW2, and a good lot of them thinking they're going to bust into the E-Sport scene and miraculously become PvP legends after sitting in Raids in this game is l0l0l0l. I'll be sitting at the top and asking you scrubs how the weather is down there.

I know what you bads are all thinking..


Inb4 Mass is a bad
Inb4 Inb4

PvPlegend(lol)

Your pissed, or got zerged/ganked, or "trying" to troll.

I'd like to bring up this point:

Originally Posted by tmressler

Mouse-turning is an insignificant advantage; I solo just and many mouse-tuning freeps and key-turning freeps. Mastering your class and mastering how to kill your opponent's class is much more important then learning to mouse turn.

I will await your next attempt to troll.

Originally Posted by PvPLegend

Keyturn badster #3.

I didn't say key-turning is better. I didn't say that I key-turn myself. I didn't even say that mouse-turning doesn't give a small advantage. I merely noted I didn't notice a significant difference in skill level between mouse-turners and key-turners. I find opponents more challenging because of their skill-rotation or how they choose to build and execute their class.

But pay no attention to me. I'm just another "window-licking scrub," just like every other worthless player under your ego. Have you ever read that wiki article before?

Originally Posted by tmressler

I didn't say key-turning is better. I didn't say that I key-turn myself. I didn't even say that mouse-turning doesn't give a small advantage. I merely noted I didn't notice a significant difference in skill level between mouse-turners and key-turners. I find opponents more challenging because of their skill-rotation or how they choose to build and execute their class.

But pay no attention to me. I'm just another "window-licking scrub," just like every other worthless player under your ego. Have you ever read that wiki article before?

No, you didn't say Keyturning is better. One of those who posted above you did. However, you are a keyturner yourself, therefore you will quickly come to the aid of a fellow bad being called out. Can't say I'm surprised.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

PvPlegend(lol)

Your pissed, or got zerged/ganked, or "trying" to troll.

I'd like to bring up this point:


I will await your next attempt to troll.

You didn't bring up a point (aka fact), but rather some random's OPINION, which coincidentally, coincides with your own.

I guess what they say is true, key turners are always a bit slow to catch on.

Lastly, I haven't played since I was permanently banned, but I've logged in once or twice, only to get some people signed up for our GW2 guild. Either you didn't read sigs and notice I'm a PvPLegend, or, as I suggested, are just naturally slow. So no, I haven't been zerged/ganked lately. When it happened, it didn't phase me either. True soloers know that the zerg happens, that bads will be bad.

As for my jimmies?

So your calling everyone window licking scrubs just because they play in a way you think is inferior?

It doesn't matter how you play. I think it matters how effective you are at playing that way.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

So your calling everyone window licking scrubs just because they play in a way you think is inferior?

It doesn't matter how you play. I think it matters how effective you are at playing that way.

Words of Wisdom from a keyturner.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

.....It doesn't matter how you play. I think it matters how effective you are at playing that way.

Originally Posted by PvPLegend

Lastly, I haven't played since I was permanently banned....

Maybe what matters the most is being able to play at all....just sayin.

Hey Mass my face after reading all of this.

A few inflated egos in this here thread. And over a game too :O

Back on topic though...

I felt bad for killing greenies so usually gave them a pass. Surprisingly they did the same for me when they were grouped and I ran right into them blindly.

whats goin on in here guyss

Originally Posted by scogmyster

A few inflated egos in this here thread. And over a game too :O