Thread: I got a feeling...

Hello fellow Champions, I'm a lvl 75 champion playing on server Evernight. I have full ToO (Delualagos) gear+ all LG jewels (Victor's Might). Last night I was checking my dps and I was astonished how low it was. It was around 600-700 on a training dummy. When I was doing Foundry T2 and AoEing it was around 800-1k. Both situation I was unbuffed. A kinnie of mine told me this was low. So what I want to ask, is he right? and if so what can I do to improve my dps. My unbuffed stats are:
Might 2244
agility 457
vitality 376
will 51
fate 96
Physical mastery 27590
Crit Rating 5042
finesse 4092

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

Hello fellow Champions, I'm a lvl 75 champion playing on server Evernight. I have full ToO (Delualagos) gear+ all LG jewels (Victor's Might). Last night I was checking my dps and I was astonished how low it was. It was around 600-700 on a training dummy. When I was doing Foundry T2 and AoEing it was around 800-1k. Both situation I was unbuffed. A kinnie of mine told me this was low. So what I want to ask, is he right? and if so what can I do to improve my dps. My unbuffed stats are:
Might 2244
agility 457
vitality 376
will 51
fate 96
Physical mastery 27590
Crit Rating 5042
finesse 4092

Hmm ... the stats look okay'ish. Crit could be higher, but that shouldn't lead to your DPS being that low. What weapon are you using (age, legacies, relics), what is your trait setup, which stance are you running in and what is your rotation?

There's probably a lot you can change in traits and rotation to enhance this, 27k phys mastery should net you way higher DPS if you use it correctly. I play on Evernight aswell, send me a /tell on Fyrexiel or Fyrdir if you want.

Like mentioned, what are your traits, what stance are you using, and what skills. Also, the legacies on your LI's could have an impact. I think last time I checked my single target dps was around 7-8 hundred without all the raid armour, and AoE was sustaining over 1k. I think...I'll have to double check my numbers.

Yes, your dps is low.

with a 3rd ager you should be ~1.1k
2nd ager ~1.3k
1st ager ~1.5k+

/yes, in actuality a bit higher). The only way to get that low dps would be wrong traits and/or cycle... Or perhaps going a VERY deep blue

My traits are: Vicious strikes, flurry of blows,brace against defeat, deadly strikes, controlled fury, athletic, ardent rage.
Legendary traits: Raging Blade,Ferocious Strikes, Controlled Burn
My Sword: lvl 70 2nd age, 137.9 DPS, Might of the eldar day, +15% remorseless strike dmg, +39% critical damage multiplier, -3 battle frenzy cooldown, -120 Sudden defence cooldown, +1% horn damage
Relics on Sword: Platinum Setting of potency, westfold gem of hope, true rune of the 2 trees, Device of battle
My Rune: lvl 70 2nd age, enduring might, +15% Bracing attack heal, -30% power cost swift strike, -53 Dire Need cooldown,+80% true heroics healing chance, +750 hedge armour rating, +41 vitality
I always play in fervour stance

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

My traits are: Vicious strikes, flurry of blows,brace against defeat, deadly strikes, controlled fury, athletic, ardent rage.

For DPS, I'd swap out Athletic and Braced Against Defeat. Good other traits to go with are Swift Blade, Stalwart Blade, Improved Rend and Vigour of Champions.

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

Legendary traits: Raging Blade,Ferocious Strikes, Controlled Burn

These look fine.

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

My Sword: lvl 70 2nd age, 137.9 DPS, Might of the eldar day, +15% remorseless strike dmg, +39% critical damage multiplier, -3 battle frenzy cooldown, -120 Sudden defence cooldown, +1% horn damage

I'd max your critical multiplier, use empowerment scrolls if necessary, they're worth it. I'm only seeing 5 legacies here btw, I'm sure you're missing one, I'd try and get AOE/Wild Attack/Brutal Strikes damage as a third and possibly fourth/fifth major if you have them, and max them, in that order of importance (provided you use a remorseless rotation). Minors, maxing battle frenzy is nice but rather power consuming, sudden defence cooldown is a very nice help, but you might aswell max that legacy on a seperate weapon and switch that in everytime you pop SD. I myself went with a might legacy on the sixth slot.

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

Relics on Sword: Platinum Setting of potency, westfold gem of hope, true rune of the 2 trees, Device of battle

These aren't necessarily bad I guess, though I'd noticed your crit's a bit low, you could fix that by switching to the crit gems, and the runes with the -2.5% attack duration on them are a very, very good choice when going for pure DPS.

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

My Rune: lvl 70 2nd age, enduring might, +15% Bracing attack heal, -30% power cost swift strike, -53 Dire Need cooldown,+80% true heroics healing chance, +750 hedge armour rating, +41 vitality

I went with Swift Strike/Blade line/Strikes line power reduction, Battle Acuity Duration, Rend Pulses and Ebbing Ire cooldown, though one of those majors could arguably be switched in favour of Stun Duration, I myself chose to have that one on a switchy rune. Dire Need cooldown, heroics morale heal, hedge armour rating, vitality and bracing attack heal are pretty much wasted legacies on a DPS rune. Sounds like a nice chanking rune though .

Originally Posted by DrRockso95

I always play in fervour stance

Good man.

Hope this helps!

5k crit rating is wel below my comfort zone. What was your actual crit % in combat analysis?

I have 121 DPS on my second age, so either you have a first age or your numbers are wrong. Either way, with DPS and Phys Mast that high, you should be getting much better DPS numbers.

You'll definitely need to improve your rotation. Focus on as many Remorseless Strikes as you can, slap in Seeking Blade whenever you can to pump your numbers. Seeking->Remorseless->Frenzy->Remorseless is a neat trick. Adding Fear Nothing->Remorseless afterwards works really well too, especially if Controlled Burn is active. In dual wield it's IMPERATIVE to keep Second Wind running. It is when two-handing as well, but it's much more noticable in DW. Gives you more fuel to last longer. Traiting Vigour of Champions goes a long way, too.

Wild and Blade-wall should be your go-to skills for pipgen (ensure that you're traited Stalwart Blade, it is WAY too good to ignore - Stalwart Blade and Flurry of Blows are easily a Champ's two most key traits). It's basically pretty simple: Use a combination of those two skills, adding Swift Strike when needed (try to keep it held back if you can help it, it devours power), to get to Remorseless as fast as possible and let it rip. There's absolutely nothing else to it than that, other than Frenzy and Seeking whenever you can. They chew power too, so again, it's imperative to keep Second Wind running.

If you end up using a 2h it changes a bit, because Brutal is definitely the superior skill there, and you can mix in Clobber if you have 4 pips. Swift is a little less punitive because you swing slower and burn power slower, and seeking an alternative Strikes skill for when Brutal is on cooldown is important. Ferocious or Remorseless works fine, but if Seeking is up, make sure to find time to squeeze in Remorseless a bit when Brutal is on cooldown.

It's really not more complicated than that. Cut out basically anything else, because it's all unnecessary. No Feral, no Merc, no Blade-storm, no Raging, no Horn... you can add in Rend very occassionally if you want to trait Improved Rend, that'll boost you a bit. Battle Acuity helps with Blade-wall, and you'll be hitting that a lot, so that's an option I guess (just try to hit it when at zero pips, it'll be free then). Any other skill is just wasting time and harming your DPS.

The formula is simple: Use pipskills to get to your big strike. The end. Over and over. Keep little things like Second Wind running at all times, Rend as needed if you're into that, and Acuity will help. Always hit Seeking Blade when it's up, and don't forget Frenzy to supplement your pips. Works especially good with Remorseless because of its lightning cooldown.

If you're still getting low numbers, it's time to get out the scalpel and do some surgery on exactly what buttons you're pressing and why.

I will try and improve my legacies/rune, and my crit % was 18.1%

18.1% I find hard to believe, mine's 19.0 with 7.7k

Oh wow, major oversight, but did I just read you use a level 70 weapon? If so, get a level 75 asap!
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Oh and @ Bobion, IIRC, a level 75 2hander has 137 DPS. Guess you're thinking of a onehander?

Originally Posted by Fyrexiel

Oh wow, major oversight, but did I just read you use a level 70 weapon? If so, get a level 75 asap!
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Oh and @ Bobion, IIRC, a level 75 2hander has 137 DPS. Guess you're thinking of a onehander?

He said 2nd age though, level 70 second ages do not exist. Thus I assume he simply said 70 instead of 75 :P

I meant that the item lvl was 70
And the 18.1% was only from 1 encounter, actually, that encounter had a cappy with it xD

Originally Posted by Fyrexiel

18.1% I find hard to believe, mine's 19.0 with 7.7k

Oh wow, major oversight, but did I just read you use a level 70 weapon? If so, get a level 75 asap!
.
Oh and @ Bobion, IIRC, a level 75 2hander has 137 DPS. Guess you're thinking of a onehander?

Thaaaaaat would do it. Nice catch.

I think it could be a combination of factors. Not having the Brutal Strikes damage legacy on your weapon makes me guess that you're using remorseless strikes? Remorseless is really only worth using with a 2h when Imp. Seeking Blades is up, or maybe to burn pips if brutal's on CD. A confounding factor is your relatively low crit rating, which makes remorseless even less worth using in a 2H rotation.

I tried the 2h rotation and traited as suggested by Bob and Fyr in a skirmish and my dps was significantly improved, I compared with a hunter in my raid and our dps was close to each other. I want to thank you guys for the advice you gave me