Thema: GT new block and parry ratings

Did anyone log into bullroarer to check how are their new values? If a post on the notes' thread is accurate, it is an awesome 50% buff to them!! 150 rating instead of 100!! I say we should be nerfed!

Sarcasm aside, I really hope it isn't that low I was hoping for a 10 rating per level at least, making it 750 at level 75.

I hope its more than +50 to b/p
That would be a slap in the face the % would be so small.

Than again in the devs attempts to "fix" wardens a lot got screwed up.
Maybe we should be left alone.

I do not see anything wrong with my class or in need of being "fixed" but 50 is just silly. Why bother!

I asked yesterday on globallff on my server and someone said the b/p rating of GT was 1600. When I asked if it was with or without legacy, they said it was without legacy. If this is true, then GT will finally become a true legendary skill/stance/trait. Guardian's Threat with +2250 b/p (including legacy) will make a big difference for me, since I run in this stance 90% of the time. It will allow dropping of some block rating items to get + parry/evade or vitality/morale.

The rating of 1600 makes a sense if you think about it. The patch notes say that it will increase with level. The guy on the other thread said it increases only for 50. But it may be 50 per level. If we get GT at lv 45, 30 levels * 50 b/p rating = 1500 which makes a total of 1600 b/p rating without legacy.

Anyway, I'm installing BR client atm, I will have to check this myself.

To quote myself:

Zitat von Maelendil

Threat stance is currently +100, which translate at level 50 into at most +0.5%. If the new scaling version is more than +150 at 75 it will be a buff to the stance.

Graalx2 was pretty quick to accept and incorporate this change, so I guess it was quite clear that the stance would not be buffed above its original level five years ago. The value has always been ridiculous, why would that change?

Zitat von Maelendil

The value has always been ridiculous, why would that change?

Because

Zitat von Gomar_Eldar

If this is true, then GT will finally become a true legendary skill/stance/trait.

words

OK, I just logged BR, got instant lv 75 and got all skills and traits. The b/p rating on Guardian's Threat is 150. The INCREASE of 50 b/p rating isn't even worth mentioning in the patch notes, I don't know why it was there. "Disappointing" is too weak word to describe this...

It's OK if they don't want to buff this "Legendary" stance. But they can at least remove the trait, make GT trainable skill and give us a better Legendary trait instead.

Zitat von Gomar_Eldar

The b/p rating on Guardian's Threat is 150.

Gah, as I feared. But Graal was too quick to accept it, we should have guessed it was another improved Ignore the Pain.

Good job blowing our 1 buff of the year request on GT stance. Of all the places it could have been better spent. My vote was for Improved Let Fly...

Zitat von Acebold

Than again in the devs attempts to "fix" wardens a lot got screwed up.
Maybe we should be left alone.

1. Aggro dump

2. Critical Multiplier Legacy *even if it is only usable in Overpower

3. An *Improved* Catch a Breadth

4. An *Improved* Guardian's Parry stance, similar to how Guardian's Defense got a buff.

5. And while Vexing Blow probably has a zero induction, it sometimes feels as though it takes forever to get off. I wouldn't mind having Vexing Blow attack quicker like Sweeping-Cut or Whirling Retaliation.

I just tested it on BR and well my words do devs are:

What a joke, better just remove the ratings at all instead of making fun of players.

what benefict will be add 50 parry and 50 block rating?

I hope this GT change was accomplished on Bring Your Daughter To Work Day....

+50? ffs.

Zitat von thatabguy

1. Aggro dump

2. Critical Multiplier Legacy *even if it is only usable in Overpower

3. An *Improved* Catch a Breadth

4. An *Improved* Guardian's Parry stance, similar to how Guardian's Defense got a buff.

I like those^

I also think its time our power issues in overpower were removed somehow. The gap between guardian dps and real dps has only gotten bigger since RoI and we are no longer overpowered in the moors... I see no reason for it.

Zitat von thatabguy

1. Aggro dump

This won't happen. Though I would like to see WR detaunt in OP.

Zitat von thatabguy

2. Critical Multiplier Legacy *even if it is only usable in Overpower

No way should this be a legacy, it should be in the keen blade tree. Keen blade line is by far the most empty DPS line in the game and need to have somethings added.

2

-10% overpower power cost
-5% attack duration

3

+5% overpower damage
+15% parry and retaliate skill critical and devastate magnitude

4

+10% overpower damage
parry and retaliate skills have a chance to increase your critical chance (level x7 so at lvl85 it would be 595) *chance to stack 3 times* duration 15s refreshing on new procs (all 3 stacks fall off if you don't renew it).

5

+critical rating (level x10)
+1% damage for each equipped keen blade trait

And to finish off the line adding +15% overpowering assault skill critical and devastate magnitude to the capstone legendary.

The only legacy I'd like to see changed (well... for this reason at least) would be to have overpower power cost moved over to belts and increased to 10%.

Zitat von thatabguy

3. An *Improved* Catch a Breadth

Only way I'd be up for this is if they removed it from the block line (similar to champions bracing attack) and changed it when you enter OP stance by making it similar to flurry (~10% attack duration compared to the constant 20 when a champ has the trait).

Zitat von thatabguy

4. An *Improved* Guardian's Parry stance, similar to how Guardian's Defense got a buff.

Waste of time, just like the block stance change. If any stance were to change I'd like it to be GT and I'd like the change to make the stance act the same way champion/WL/etc work and stack on top of your normal stance. That would be the only way the legendary would ever be worth the ~100s it costs to trait it.

Zitat von thatabguy

5. And while Vexing Blow probably has a zero induction, it sometimes feels as though it takes forever to get off. I wouldn't mind having Vexing Blow attack quicker like Sweeping-Cut or Whirling Retaliation.

I generally don't have this issue, though I would like the animation changed to the swift blade animation. If your asking for the skill to be moved from "normal" to "fast" I can think of quite a few other skills I would rather have as "fast" over that one.

LOL... Graalx, do you realize how little an increase of 50 is to our ratings? Go back to dev school please.

A +50 increase to Guardian's Threat?!... that is just silly. Surely Graalx must be joking, otherwise it has to be one of the most useless and unnecessary class changes ever in Lotro history.

Wow, why is everyone so snarky over an increase? Was there a rumor that some kind of major class changes were coming for guards? No. This is a small change that probably happened because it got noticed while making some other change and was easy to fix.

Don't get me wrong, there are a few things that need some work (OP and our DPS overall since Isen, and parry stance should be called guardian's ardour) but whining about basically a free 50 rating increase is rediculous and doesn't really help the cause when big changes do come our way.

Zitat von jhwort

(...) when big changes do come our way.

Thanks Graal; I feel like all my Christmases have come at once.

Better 50 than 49!

YEAH!

How is anyone surprised by this?

I'm sure we'll get the obligatory "Guardian's are fine as a class and don't need fixing." Statement from our 'illustrious' leader Dev Graal who may come down from the lofty, high places to graces us all with said pronouncement before ascending into the clouds once more.

I'm sure we should be properly grateful for the awesomeness the Lord Graal bestows upon us!

All Hail!

Buffing the GT stance would be easy. Just adding the pre-moria BPA to it (it was about +1% Block/Parry), would reduce the advantage of Block Stance. In my opinion very reasonable for a legendary skill.

It's +604 to block and parry, and it has been for days, so I don't know where people are getting 50.

Without the legacy :

+100 block
+100 parry

With the legacy :

+600 block (660?).. shouldnt it be at 700? base value 100 + another 600 from max. tier/rank legacy = 700 + 50 with patch
+600 parry

Yep, sorry, I forgot my belt from 6 months ago or whenever characters were last imported had the legacy.

Without my belt (+600 block and parry to Guardian's Threat) I have +150 block and parry in GT. When I equip my belt (+600), I have +750 block and parry in GT. Looks like we have +150 block and parry in GT.

It may be just a tooltip display bug. I'll try to check it tonight by looking at the ratings.

Zitat von Lohre

Without my belt (+600 block and parry to Guardian's Threat) I have +150 block and parry in GT. When I equip my belt (+600), I have +750 block and parry in GT. Looks like we have +150 block and parry in GT.

The Default was always 100/100 so we got +50 now and its 150/150 ( legacy adds 600 )