Thread: Wargs

Originally Posted by Thaberg

I'm not accusing anyone of using store items, neither am I saying it's wrong. However, from playing freep and healing, you tend to notice creeps also use store items. And as far as I know, the legacy reduces hips to 7 minutes CD, unless there is a better one since I last played.

You can't deny though, burg is a hard class to play and only the very best ones will win. Tricks, trick removals, stuns, gambles, you need to know what to use, when to use them, and there are that many it's an extremely hard class to play, compared to most classes. But still, I'll agree they have too many escape or iwin skills.

Burg is indeed a hard class to play, harder than warg due to all the skills and different strats they can use. But it's not that difficult to have relative success due to freep side being strong, but you will get screwed if you meet good, smart players in groups.

TnG is very weak skill these days. It seems I evade more without popping it and about KO, it is not needed against shadow wargs in 1vs1 situation, they are easy prey. But flayer wargs :/ fighting against one is painful, I hit more on a high ranked wl than on flayer warg.
Winning flayer warg needs KO and polished moving, you can't beat a good flayer on burglar without KO and constant stunning. Mokrum (imo the best warg around at the moment) can say that we are pretty equal in 1vs1 situation, still he having a upper hand. Don't say I'm hopeless, no matter I win or lose the main thing is that if the fight was good.

Don't get it for some burgs having (very) bad doom and gloom, you just need to adapt to the situation, my playstyle drastically changed after U6, I play very differently now and especially in spars. Just saying that now burglar is more challenging and is not a faceroll roflcopter anymore. Now it is more skill based and need to polish rotation,timing and more importantly moving. I see that many gilrain burglars have quit so now all the fotmers are gone and true burglars have stayed.


pfftt....These flaming/trolling threads are useless.. why did I even responsed ?
/2cents

edit: btw how did burglars even got dragged into this thread?

Originally Posted by Jureon

TnG is very weak skill these days. It seems I evade more without popping it and about KO, it is not needed against shadow wargs in 1vs1 situation, they are easy prey. But flayer wargs :/ fighting against one is painful, I hit more on a high ranked wl than on flayer warg.
Winning flayer warg needs KO and polished moving, you can't beat a good flayer on burglar without KO and constant stunning. Mokrum (imo the best warg around at the moment) can say that we are pretty equal in 1vs1 situation, still he having a upper hand. Don't say I'm hopeless, no matter I win or lose the main thing is that if the fight was good.

Don't get it for some burgs having (very) bad doom and gloom, you just need to adapt to the situation, my playstyle drastically changed after U6, I play very differently now and especially in spars. Just saying that now burglar is more challenging and is not a faceroll roflcopter anymore. Now it is more skill based and need to polish rotation,timing and more importantly moving. I see that many gilrain burglars have quit so now all the fotmers are gone and true burglars have stayed.


pfftt....These flaming/trolling threads are useless.. why did I even responsed ?
/2cents

edit: btw how did burglars even got dragged into this thread?

there not gone just rolled warg now

Originally Posted by stoffi

Wargs on 14k morale? No one uses 14k morale(not sure if we reach it with full morale trait), in fact, 99% of all wargs are between 9.5k and 12.5k morale.
I don't remember seeing a warg on 14k morale, without outside buffs, and most wargs don't run around with Warleaders....

I've seen morkrum running on 14K morale for the past month, then in full dps he is about 12.9K.....

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I've seen morkrum running on 14K morale for the past month, then in full dps he is about 12.9K.....

If you're talking about me, nope ^^ 12,2k normally and ~9k in full dps :P

Seems freeps are having a hard time making the difference between raid buffed creeps and solo creeps.

Originally Posted by Thaberg

You forget, they get hips on a 10 minute CD, wargs is on 5 minutes. Burg can reset the CD, but reavers have the same skill with only a 10 minute cooldown. Burgs can use touch and go every 5 minutes, again, 30 minute CD to reset it.

Max traited Hide in Plain Sight h 7 min cd , Ready & Abble 20 mins - but only sometimes we have these skills active. TnG is good only when burg fight with one/two opponents. Dont forget - when TnG working ( about 70 % chances to evade ) I still get some dmge,DoTs ...

Originally Posted by Thaberg

Another thing, find footing will work only if they're stunned, and even then, warg skills can't be block, parry or evaded. Though most smart players don't even stun a burg. From what I've seen after U6 with warg changes and audacity, hunters and burgs are the easiest now.

True Fin and remember - before U6 I had about 3 sec to use FF. With Audacity 7 (-50% CC duration) - 1 sec or little more.Paradox. Max Audacity can kill burg
U know Burgs playing style - stealth attack , CC , hits with same CC skills time duration ( minus 50% ) !!!

Another strange rule - Stealth Level. Sometimes I run with 13 lvl , personal tracking and restealth
Problem is here - http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...vades-tracking

Originally Posted by Verenn

Max traited Hide in Plain Sight h 7 min cd , Ready & Abble 20 mins - but only sometimes we have these skills active. TnG is good only when burg fight with one/two opponents. Dont forget - when TnG working ( about 70 % chances to evade ) I still get some dmge,DoTs ...



True Fin and remember - before U6 I had about 3 sec to use FF. With Audacity 7 (-50% CC duration) - 1 sec or little more.Paradox. Max Audacity can kill burg
U know Burgs playing style - stealth attack , CC , hits with same CC skills time duration ( minus 50% ) !!!

Another strange rule - Stealth Level. Sometimes I run with 13 lvl , personal tracking and restealth
Problem is here - http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...vades-tracking

Burglars are only easy because so many new burgs are around with ###### gear and 5.5k morale.... A good burg will still win against a good warg but there are no good burgs playing actively these days.

Also, a burg has the option of getting away whenever he wants to, a hunter can't.
Last time I counted, I counted 10-12 burg escapes while warg has 3 counting Tendon Shred as an escape. A burg doesn't have to lose if he doesn't want to, except when organised high ranked warg packs actively hunt him.

Btw, hunters are completely fine, as long as you learn to play your class, just like warg. Just now, I got nuked 2(!) seconds AFTER I hips'ed, and then got camped by Delotha and pretty much killed before I could do much.

So, Alakin, hunters are pretty well off.

If I track you before you attack me then yes, but if u attack me for first no way to get a warg.

Originally Posted by Alakin93

If I track you before you attack me then yes, but if u attack me for first no way to get a warg.

Make sure you don't get attacked then.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Burglars are only easy because so many new burgs are around with ###### gear and 5.5k morale.... A good burg will still win against a good warg but there are no good burgs playing actively these days.

Also, a burg has the option of getting away whenever he wants to, a hunter can't.
Last time I counted, I counted 10-12 burg escapes while warg has 3 counting Tendon Shred as an escape. A burg doesn't have to lose if he doesn't want to, except when organised high ranked warg packs actively hunt him.

Stoff you really should try to fight against burglar after U6 after before throwing around your analyzations. Only seen you around spawn camping hunters.

Really glad this has stayed on-topic guys, keep going.
Gotta go to shops now though, popcorn required.

Originally Posted by Jureon

Stoff you really should try to fight against burglar after U6 after before throwing around your analyzations. Only seen you around spawn camping hunters.

You would be suprised how many burgs get spawn camped these days...

Originally Posted by Natako

You would be suprised how many burgs get spawn camped these days...

Geez..I've been off only for 3 days, I know how it is "these days". Of course everyone on freepside are getting spawncamped because there are so many new fotm wargs and all those that have returned.

As far as I can see *Flame shield activated*....

This thread is so active because wargs are the class that cause freeps the most grief, but not only that, as a class, they tend to be the group of creeps that moan the loudest and make the most noise when they are 'wronged'.

Forgive the generalisation, not all wargs are as such, but... There it is.

One thing is sure, as Jure said, camping hunters is the thing that wargs can do better, but when hunter + mini comes or hunter + lm then they hips :P Or..they come in a 5 pack near ec so no one passes

P.S. Not so easy stoff, easy for a warg to get out of tracking, and even if I track u before u can still hips and attack me back in 10 seconds so...kinda hard anyways ^^

Originally Posted by Alakin93

One thing is sure, as Jure said, camping hunters is the thing that wargs can do better, but when hunter + mini comes or hunter + lm then they hips :P Or..they come in a 5 pack near ec so no one passes

P.S. Not so easy stoff, easy for a warg to get out of tracking, and even if I track u before u can still hips and attack me back in 10 seconds so...kinda hard anyways ^^

what do you prefer? destealth and make some lovely emotes for you honey? or just let you pass for some reason? srsly i will never get it..wargs are OP atm, but in the main action we are still an easy targets...and who likes to die? and you have track btw so if you are coming from the spawn next time just use it...so you can call your friends, map out or take another way to join the others...its simple i guess, isnt it? btw if i see a mini and a hunter coming from the spawn, i prefer a hips after a kill...

Sure using track avoids that, and personally I have no problems with camping now. But then if u camp spawn (and 90% of the times there ist 1 warg but always 2-5 to be sure that the other hasnt a chance), and u get attacked in 1v1 or 2v2 hipsing surely is ridicuolous, expecially against a hunter.
The fight is fair, so why hipsing for attacking in the back 10 seconds later? I find it nonsense. Not all wargs do like that, for example Mokrum is really the warg that all should be ^^ So far I havent seen him hipsing from a battle and always went to the end of the fight (his or opponent's). That's what should be fair in my opinion ^^

Let me guys tell u something no metter wich class u playing no metter wich side u chosse either freep or creep.

Evry1 will play diffrent , and there will be ppl who will always moan about it


Amagaad i got gank
Amaagad he hipsed
Amagaad he sprinted away
Amagaad he sued man heal
Amaaagad he use store thing
Amagaad he calld for help
and more amagaaads will be.

But i see this more like this way


some will fight till ends even if they wont get killd or they wont kill any1 they will jsut fight for fun or for some other reason
others will fight when they know they gonna kill something for sure
others will bail when they got 1 hit.
others will call for help
few will camp alone
few will camp in pack
otehrs will sit in ta and pew pew
another 1 will use store things
and even guy on the end will just pve in em

we all playing diffrent moaning wont change anything even if some ppl are right and some aint.

Just have fun plz.


and Alakin m8 u where camping other day creeps spawn 1 shooting newbies and when creeps where coming to kill u u where runnign to 1 shooters so plz tell me how u can talk about playing fair when u aint playing fair

Not other day but that was 2 weeks ago :P I was in need of 150 ren to rank and i had to camp spawn because of no creeps around and all quests alrdy done xD That's onliest thing that would make me do one-two kills at spawn, otherwise I hate to do that ^^ And I play duo in moors not solo since weeks so definitely cant go camp spawn with a minstrel or a captain :P
Anyways they get infamy if I get killed by anything, I don't if they hips ;P

Originally Posted by Gillrain

Let me guys tell u something no metter wich class u playing no metter wich side u chosse either freep or creep.

Evry1 will play diffrent , and there will be ppl who will always moan about it


Amagaad i got gank
Amaagad he hipsed
Amagaad he sprinted away
Amagaad he sued man heal
Amaaagad he use store thing
Amagaad he calld for help
and more amagaaads will be.

But i see this more like this way


some will fight till ends even if they wont get killd or they wont kill any1 they will jsut fight for fun or for some other reason
others will fight when they know they gonna kill something for sure
others will bail when they got 1 hit.
others will call for help
few will camp alone
few will camp in pack
otehrs will sit in ta and pew pew
another 1 will use store things
and even guy on the end will just pve in em

we all playing diffrent moaning wont change anything even if some ppl are right and some aint.

Just have fun plz.


and Alakin m8 u where camping other day creeps spawn 1 shooting newbies and when creeps where coming to kill u u where runnign to 1 shooters so plz tell me how u can talk about playing fair when u aint playing fair

Nice, I agree

Though I whine ^^ It's fun to whine and you can ease your frustration over that situation you where just in
I know there are many Wargs out there who is so coward that they will only take their shot when a freep is near death and then run away even if they killed or not.

I have fought Mokrum who has been constantly attacking my friends Hunter while the hunter was guarded by me and my brother... Think he lost 3 times until I asked the hunter to stop track Mokrum.

I was in on my warden in Grothum yesterday mornin doing some PvE farming goblins when Revenge and Bonkie attacked me... Bonkie fought until he died (I did wonder what he was doing...) but Revenge always fled when he was down to about 3k and sprinted when he noticed me survive all NPC's while chasing him...

We all have our own playstyle... Today I am suicidal but to morrow I may be a coward.


I like Wargs, and I like the new Anniversery "Zombie" Warg skin ^^

Originally Posted by Alakin93

Sure using track avoids that, and personally I have no problems with camping now. But then if u camp spawn (and 90% of the times there ist 1 warg but always 2-5 to be sure that the other hasnt a chance), and u get attacked in 1v1 or 2v2 hipsing surely is ridicuolous, expecially against a hunter.
The fight is fair, so why hipsing for attacking in the back 10 seconds later? I find it nonsense. Not all wargs do like that, for example Mokrum is really the warg that all should be ^^ So far I havent seen him hipsing from a battle and always went to the end of the fight (his or opponent's). That's what should be fair in my opinion ^^

Jesus christ, guys. Why don't you all marry Mokrum if you like him suiciding so much... ^^

You're just upset that YOU don't have an escape and since you haven't got one, you want everyone else to stop using theirs. And yes, it is everyone because most players on ALL classes WILL try to escape if they are losing and have a way out, no matter if they are a warg, champion or rk.


Also, if you get camped, it's only YOUR fault. YOU are the only one to blame. If someone can predict the path you will take from spawn to the fight, you're nothing better than an npc. Use your brain, god damnit. Camping wargs are feeding off YOUR stupidity and believe me, they are getting fatter every day on your meat.


Just let everyone play like they want to and you play like you want. Some don't care about stats or dying, others do. That's what makes this game exciting, the diversity.

I won't comment your answer since you just didnt say a true thing and even offtopic compared to the post above lol

Originally Posted by Alakin93

I won't comment your answer since you just didnt say a true thing and even offtopic compared to the post above lol

Bad excuse for realising you made some rash assumptions.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Jesus christ, guys. Why don't you all marry Mokrum if you like him suiciding so much... ^^

You're just upset that YOU don't have an escape and since you haven't got one, you want everyone else to stop using theirs. And yes, it is everyone because most players on ALL classes WILL try to escape if they are losing and have a way out, no matter if they are a warg, champion or rk.


Also, if you get camped, it's only YOUR fault. YOU are the only one to blame. If someone can predict the path you will take from spawn to the fight, you're nothing better than an npc. Use your brain, god damnit. Camping wargs are feeding off YOUR stupidity and believe me, they are getting fatter every day on your meat.


Just let everyone play like they want to and you play like you want. Some don't care about stats or dying, others do. That's what makes this game exciting, the diversity.

Are you calling me fat??????

Originally Posted by Natako

Are you calling me fat??????

Well....you are.

Originally Posted by Natako

Are you calling me fat??????

Yes, fatty!!

Originally Posted by stoffi

Jesus christ, guys. Why don't you all marry Mokrum if you like him suiciding so much... ^^

You're just upset that YOU don't have an escape and since you haven't got one, you want everyone else to stop using theirs. And yes, it is everyone because most players on ALL classes WILL try to escape if they are losing and have a way out, no matter if they are a warg, champion or rk.


Also, if you get camped, it's only YOUR fault. YOU are the only one to blame. If someone can predict the path you will take from spawn to the fight, you're nothing better than an npc. Use your brain, god damnit. Camping wargs are feeding off YOUR stupidity and believe me, they are getting fatter every day on your meat.


Just let everyone play like they want to and you play like you want. Some don't care about stats or dying, others do. That's what makes this game exciting, the diversity.

Oh God...
Thought i will never say those words but i 100% agree here (especially with that NPC part).
Since im so nice, can you gank me from time to time solo Stoff and stay to the end pretty please??

Originally Posted by Viriel

Oh God...
Thought i will never say those words but i 100% agree here (especially with that NPC part).
Since im so nice, can you gank me from time to time solo Stoff and stay to the end pretty please??

You agree with me? What have you been eating? Minstrels?

Haven't seen you in quite a while, I'm sure we'll meet one of these days if you're playing but you will have to be very sneaky if you want to get a kill against me in a 1v1, I won't attack you without an escape ready. Generally, I don't attack anyone without an escape ready except easy hunters, it's often suicide as other freeps tend to stop by to gank.

Originally Posted by stoffi

You agree with me? What have you been eating? Minstrels?

Haven't seen you in quite a while, I'm sure we'll meet one of these days if you're playing but you will have to be very sneaky if you want to get a kill against me in a 1v1, I won't attack you without an escape ready. Generally, I don't attack anyone without an escape ready except easy hunters, it's often suicide as other freeps tend to stop by to gank.

I let you kill that RK and live Stoff! Do I get some lub?










(Also: pesky lore-breakers (says the Middle Earth Spartan)).

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

I let you kill that RK and live Stoff! Do I get some lub?

Ofc! I'll come cuddle you a little later.

Originally Posted by Alakin93

One thing is sure, as Jure said, camping hunters is the thing that wargs can do better, but when hunter + mini comes or hunter + lm then they hips :P Or..they come in a 5 pack near ec so no one passes

P.S. Not so easy stoff, easy for a warg to get out of tracking, and even if I track u before u can still hips and attack me back in 10 seconds so...kinda hard anyways ^^

Well, it's nice to generalise...
Just to address spawn-camping, i do a lot of it. But i wont camp the same person twice unless they are trying to find me, i.e. tracking, or standing the middle of tr fields buffing themselves. Also, why ### do you expect a warg to pop up and attack you when you run back from spawn with other freeps? I've tried killing a hunter through a mini healing him and it didn't go well.
Also, generally if i attack a freep and the fight stays 1v1, then I will not use escapes, or if i do, im not using them to run away, but rather to gain an advantage in some way

With regards to those calling wargs OP.... firstly, warg is not THE strongest creep class, i think it ranks about the same as BA, if not lower. Secondly, when rks I have never seen before u6 log over to creep and call me an easymoder, i think it's a bit hypocritical, especially since i started warg after RoI, and the most I have ever packed with is 3 other wargs (only happened once). It's also very funny when people call warg packers easymode, since by that logic, all raiders are easymode.
Also, i do not even slot flayer stance, and i have r2 aud. If anything, the changes to the warg just made the warg closer to being balanced with freepside. In a fight with a champ the other day, we both died at he same time. The champ use 2 bubbles + dire need, and i used a DoF morale pot+the 10 sec mini brand before fight. Now, i don't claim to be a good warg, so i'd expect against a more skilled champion, i would have lost that by a long stretch, but the point is, player skill is more important with balanced classes. Oh,and just to block something, hunters are balanced since a hunter can still kill me in 3 secs from range and i dont have a hope, whereas in melee the hunter can actually do something (much respect to the hunters like delo, dinn and kees who really play well in that way)

Warg is a strong class, but i didnt roll it after the update. Before U6 we were just punching bags for champs and easy targets for the hunters,not gonna talk about the other classes. The amount of the wargs was very low these days, even it was a rare thing to see a higher ranked warg online. I sparred couple of times against Grapsn(r9 hunter) when i was r5-6. I couldnt defeat him. He was using the skills without inducions,quick shots blablabla was 80% a toe to toe fight and i died lol. It was a nightmare. It was insane amout of renonws on the freep side if i can remember correctly. Also fought against Curukofte(champ) after the champ upgrade, it was 4v1 fight (me,manegarm,bonkie,lived) we didnt attacked at the same time, but when one warg died, another joined the fight and the champ won. After U6 wargs got some upgrades. 2stances,mitigation fixed etc. but i think the secret is in the audacity thingy. It brought some balance into the fight, its like 70%auda and 30%new warg upgrades. Without a decent auda we should die as fast as before. The flayer stance gives you extra defence buffs but it lowers your damage, so against a mini, its easily healable and kiteable. Nothing extra. But we needed that stance, coz how else can we face the champs,guards? Every class have his own benefit. And i can understand when hunters are moaning coz they are the 1.targets, but you can avoid the fights or start the fight from a long distance. But i will never understand why are the other classes calling wargs OP. Burgs can defeat wargs easily if you have some experience, Champs can do it more easier probs, not gonna mention minies. If a class get some updates and you start to die more often then before thats a problem?. Freeps have still the upper hand, but the number of wargs is insane these days, thats the reason why i am playing 50% on my defiler (sadly cant play with my other chars coz i have a premium account)

Trolling and the likes aside ...

I was online / not afk for a total of about 20 minutes this morning. In that time i was screwed over by a warg / group of wargs a total of 4 times. The first message i logged into was a warg asking in OOC for a warg pack. There was a total of 4 freeps online.