Thread: Hello my fellow Champions

Hello, I'm an up and coming Champ and I seek some advice for when I get up to the later content

when I start doing an instance, how long should I wait for the guardian to get aggro before I start face rolling?

and

If i were to face roll what should my rotation be? my current face rolling rotation is Battle Acuity, Raging Blades, Battle Frenzy, Blade Storm, Blade Wall, Cleave and repeat

1) Depends on the guardian player's skill at grabbing initial aggro. Trail and error, keep on the safe side when things may get sticky.

2) I prefer to rend first, then go battle acuity, raging blades etc. I like DoT's and as early as possible is the best time to apply them.

You are quite precise with your head movements when rolling your face on your keyboard, I see

give him a few seconds head start, then do your thing. if you get aggro (it helps showing your targets target) use ebbing ire on the tank and slow down a bit again.

If i were to face roll what should my rotation be?

Rotate clockwise or anticlockwise, whatever you like best


5-10sec should be enough for the guardian ... let him run up to the boss and follow him, let him turn the boss around and let him yell a bit ... now enter blender-mode

@ Rapunzel: I thought Rising Ire was for getting rid of the folks with the bathrobe and funny hat ?

Originally Posted by Wernwulf

5-10sec should be enough for the guardian ... let him run up to the boss and follow him, let him turn the boss around and let him yell a bit ... now enter blender-mode

I agree with your strategy, but disagree with the timing of how long to leave before attacking. I run in behind the tank, never hit the mobs/boss first, once the tank has got the mobs turned round then I let rip. Good guards shouldn't rely on the initial aggro being enough, and will be building more in the time that you're starting your rotation, so 1-2 seconds should be enough before starting in on the mobs.

I give wardens a bit longer due to the differences in tanking style, but don't know if that's still the case, especially given that they can now do their pre-attack dance gambit preparations, and I've not really run with a top-level, well-geared warden since U6. Should I still hold off a little bit longer on wardens?

Originally Posted by Wernwulf

@ Rapunzel: I thought Rising Ire was for getting rid of the folks with the bathrobe and funny hat ?

lol, that comes with the next lesson, raiding fun 101

Originally Posted by Rapunzel666

if you get aggro (it helps showing your targets target) use ebbing ire on the tank and slow down a bit again.

I guess while you are leveling, Ebbing can be used as a reactive aggro dump. Once you get to the point where you are really looking at legacies on your rune and if you plan to do a lot of group content, you will want to get Ebbing Ire on your rune and max it out. As a champ, your ability to dump some aggro on the tank every 60 seconds will allow your fellowship/raid to push the DPS without worrying about the tank losing aggro.

A well-geared and skilled tank at level cap should always be able to keep aggro off a champion who is not using glory/rising ire etc., unless the particular fight has some mechanic that messes with aggro itself, or increases damage dealt by a lot. If he does let aggro slip, using ebbing ire on him once should be enough to lose aggro for the rest of the fight.
With a less skilled tank, it may be more of an issue, but keeping aggro as a guardian is not complicated by any means, and I've actually found good wardens to be even harder to outaggro.

Originally Posted by Haunt123

You are quite precise with your head movements when rolling your face on your keyboard, I see

i take pride in my Ears:Cheeks:Nose ratio and it being rather precise when it comes to my skill bar.


ok so let wardens get aggro for roughly 10-15 seconds? and dont let guard's get aggro and then get mad at the guard for not holding aggro and the healers for not healing me? ok got it i am set for 75, Orthanc you better watch out for I Griminsborith shall have my revenge! with an axe, yesss an axe muahahahahaha also, should I use two handed axe of doomzorz or dual wielded axe of pownage? i like to do both but what would pull aggro better? lots of low devs or lots of slow high devs? you know what ill just do both