Thread: Can monster players get out of the moors?

Can they get out of the moors? I was playing and when I read the chat's someone told he was killed by a warg. Then somebody else said that it was a mp. I would like to kill some noobs so made a mp character but I cant seem to get out of the moors. Help!?

No, PVMP is restricted to Ettens, otherwise the game would be grossly unfair. Creating a MP with the sole intention of going around 'killing noobs' is completely the wrong attitude for Lord of the Rings Online and not what this game is about. To be honest, I think you'd fit into the WoW community far more than this one.

no, monser players are restricted to the moors only atm (there was supposed to be a new zone in RoI which has yet to appear) to prevent the kind of griefing your refering too and lets be honest the only reason higher level players want to kill lower level players is simply to cause grief.. and yes all monster toons are created at lvl75

if you enjoy grifing other players who dont stand a chance go play EvE or WoW or other games where it is allowed

Agree with Carnireth on this one. Wargs are used as NPC mobs all over the place. Wargs are ALSO used as a race( == character class) for monster players, hence the confusion. Every MMO ( including WoW) learns the hard way that a small but significant portion of its player base are evil. Hence they have to hard-code rules to prevent those players from preying on weaker ones, in order to keep the game entertaining for the majority.

Actually there is a bug in the game where you can spawn outside of the moors, there have been people caught doing it

Originally Posted by Birdytrap

I would like to kill some noobs so made a mp character but I cant seem to get out of the moors. Help!?

Nope. And if that is what you want, you may be in the wrong game.

Originally Posted by SpankyDom

Actually there is a bug in the game where you can spawn outside of the moors, there have been people caught doing it

It's become part of the lore of LOTRO. If there was a known way to do it, I suspect we would have several instances of it happening. some of those people who decide to delete would go out this way and we arent seeing it.

This "bug" reads like a myth every time and if someone is "caught" doing something the suggestion is they did so intentionally. Im not buying.

@op: your instinct is spot on for a creep, kill the weak ones Don’t let these people grief you on your desired play style. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, the soapbox is full anyway. You cant PvP outside of the moors.

@OP: The person who was killed may have been killed by one of the named signature wargs that roam certain areas. They can be very strong and lethal to an unprepared player, and it might be that the other person assumed it was an MP on the loose. But no, they can't escape the Moors.

The only way for a Monster to get out of the moors is via manual intervention by the game operator - Turbine in this case. It requires:

1) Some has to enable the Creeps allowed out of the Moors server flag.

2) A Game Master or other Turbine employee has to teleport the creep out of the Moo

Turbine has never used this functionality in live. It has been used by at least one of the other operators. Four of the five other operators have shut down.

The flag in point 1 is rather neat. The normal state is Creeps are not allowed out of Moors. If a Creep managed to find a way out. This functionality would teleport them back into the Moors. It was put in so that ending a Creep adventure in Forochel by Event Masters could be done quickly and cleanly. Change the flag. The server automatically sends all Creeps to the Moors.

If you are looking to kill a new bee, you will have to hope that a low level Freep decides to visit the Moors. Freeps can go to the Moors at level 40. You will be level 75. Your creep should be able to tear the level 40 up.

Eh, but the only quest for a level 40 is to ride out to the Moors and grab the stable and read a short text - which I happily did as a VIP because it was around 3k free XP.

Questing out there as a 40 freep would be suicide, even if it was like my server and you just ran into NPCs (our PvMP is pretty dead).

Originally Posted by Chanah

Eh, but the only quest for a level 40 is to ride out to the Moors and grab the stable and read a short text - which I happily did as a VIP because it was around 3k free XP.

Some of them do go outside. I was part of warg pack that watched a level 40 female hobbit Minstrel walking around. We decided to unstealth near her. Scare her. Watched her recall out. It would have been easy to kill her. It was more fun to appear out of air all around her.

Originally Posted by Birdytrap

I would like to kill some noobs so made a mp character...

I have been haunted by this statement most of yesterday and I simply need to get it out: the mindset that this comment indicates (i.e. somebody who delights in slaughtering/griefing defenseless people minding their own business just because they think they can get away with it) totally disgusts me. I hope you'll find some other aspect of this game that pleases you, because you're unlikely to find that specific kick here, but to regard "killing some noobs" as legitimate entertainment just seems plain mean to me.

I've quite often fantasized of hanging with a pack of NPC wargs and waiting for some low-level to attack me, just as some sort of a horrible joke.

And yes. I do wait outside the Freep's base and wait for teh lowbiez.

I visited the Moors on my lvl 47 guard. The most fun I've ever had on that toon, even though I did end up having to repair almost 2g worth of stuff... It was still awesome to hang back and 'pew' at the creeps when we tried to take TR. Heck, I had an RK all to myself!

That said, sadly, no. Creeps can't visit Middle Earth.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c2

I visited the Moors on my lvl 47 guard. The most fun I've ever had on that toon, even though I did end up having to repair almost 2g worth of stuff...

Unless there is a bug, your equipment won't take any damage in the Moors.

Originally Posted by Finglonger_UK

if you enjoy grifing other players who dont stand a chance go play EvE or WoW or other games where it is allowed

With all the camping R0 creeps once they leave Grams we already have that situation I think.

Originally Posted by Zombielord

With all the camping R0 creeps once they leave Grams we already have that situation I think.

There still is a difference between the two situations.

Preying on unranked creeps and non-capped freeps is okay in my eyes. It may not be polite, but the players under attack decided to join PvMP of their own accord and they knew what they were getting themselves into. IMO, as soon as anyone (no matter how underlevelled) enters the Moors they're fair game for the other players out there.

Preying on low-level players outside of the Moors is a completely different matter and totally unfair. Those players either have no interest in doing PvMP, think that they're not ready for the Moors yet or are taking a PvE-break from the Moors action. In any case, by staying in the PvE regions they have in no way agreed to being attacked by other players. Some of them may not even be aware that there is such a thing as creeps. Attacking players in the PvE areas is non-consensual and very likely to be perceived as griefing (duells aside for the moment as those work differently anyway).

I think we're also forgetting that not all people playing low level characters are noobs. Hell, you could be the best player in the universe and a creep would still slaughter a level 10.

Originally Posted by Camireth

I think we're also forgetting that not all people playing low level characters are noobs. Hell, you could be the best player in the universe and a creep would still slaughter a level 10.

I think most of the posters here are also forgetting they have evoked the meaning of the persons post to engender their own desired notion of what he meant. AKA since the OP hasn’t clarified his intent, one could genuinely assume he just made an honest mistake (if you read his post literally). Since we all know creeps cant get out of the moors going on about it, even feigning disgust at what you believe someone means, without asking them first, is as distasteful as the supposed meaning of the OP.

I don't know if it still is possible, but it used to be possible with enough timing, luck, cooperation and disregard for the rules and their consequences for a Warg to get into GV, but they couldn't leave the moors - likewise Freeps have found a way to get into Grams, however both feats require a fair amount of bug abuse.

I have never heard a credible story of a creep getting out of moors.

Originally Posted by Thorgrum

I think most of the posters here are also forgetting they have evoked the meaning of the persons post to engender their own desired notion of what he meant. AKA since the OP hasn’t clarified his intent, one could genuinely assume he just made an honest mistake (if you read his post literally). Since we all know creeps cant get out of the moors going on about it, even feigning disgust at what you believe someone means, without asking them first, is as distasteful as the supposed meaning of the OP.

I personally believe the OP meant what he said. It is common desire amongst PvP players. They don't want fair fights. They want to butcher human controlled characters that can not fight back.

In real life, a significant portion of society's economic output goes into suppressing this kind of behavior by individual and groups of humans. In real life, it comes various shades of gray everything from:

1) Give my your lunch money or I will pound you.

2) Bullying and pushing folks around which in some cases leads to suicide or murder.

3) Robbery, beatings, spousal abuse, kid abuse, vandalism.

4) Lets go out and find someone to kill.

5) I going to take Yula's bunny, cook it, eat it, put the bones back in the hutch for Yula.

6) Lots of other anti social unacceptable competitive behaviors.

PvP is a competitive activity. All competitive activities have the potential going bad wrong. Such as New Orleans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orl...bounty_scandal
bounty program.

Originally Posted by Thorgrum

I think most of the posters here are also forgetting they have evoked the meaning of the persons post to engender their own desired notion of what he meant. AKA since the OP hasn’t clarified his intent, one could genuinely assume he just made an honest mistake (if you read his post literally). Since we all know creeps cant get out of the moors going on about it, even feigning disgust at what you believe someone means, without asking them first, is as distasteful as the supposed meaning of the OP.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I don't condone derogatory posts, whether directed at the OP or anyone else, but I personally felt the intent of the OP was pretty clear.
"I would like to kill some noobs so made a mp character but I cant seem to get out of the moors."
What is there to clarify?

Pedantic Mode Activate!

There are plenty of monster players outside the moors, just no monster characters.