Thread: BAD 1v1 Thread

Originally Posted by Aedon

Fubo, just me and you and you run to the LC NPC's?

I am disappointed,.

???? Who would blame them. This is what I mean by a reputation.

*sigh*

I wouldn't call this a 1v1 per se but funny all the same.



I was being chased by 3 wargs and Plok. Arctic, Maniia, plok, and someone else south of TR.

I make my way fleeing to BB and I see a reaver. He charges away from me then pops a 10 sec stun pot. Then, at xr, as if by magic, he gets BRAVE! He charges back! Why the change of heart? Well, plok and the wargs (who I could stealth detect) have caught up! They're all together. YAY!


Nice job reaver. well earned.

Originally Posted by soccercake7

I wouldn't call this a 1v1 per se but funny all the same.



I was being chased by 3 wargs and Plok. Arctic, Maniia, plok, and someone else south of TR.

I make my way fleeing to BB and I see a reaver. He charges away from me then pops a 10 sec stun pot. Then, at xr, as if by magic, he gets BRAVE! He charges back! Why the change of heart? Well, plok and the wargs (who I could stealth detect) have caught up! They're all together. YAY!


Nice job reaver. well earned.

You have a funny way of telling stories. I was grouped with Plok, Starker, Pounci, and Nogglin. Starker chased you, and you got away. Nogglin bumped into you around cross roads. Once the rest of the group reached crossroads, you and Nogglin were 200 or so meters west. Nogglin had you engaged, and Plok said to let you have the 1v1. Nobody but Nog touched you. You could have easily fought back. Instead, you just stood there.

Originally Posted by loriendil

You have a funny way of telling stories. I was grouped with Plok, Starker, Pounci, and Nogglin. Starker chased you, and you got away. Nogglin bumped into you around cross roads. Once the rest of the group reached crossroads, you and Nogglin were 200 or so meters west. Nogglin had you engaged, and Plok said to let you have the 1v1. Nobody but Nog touched you. You could have easily fought back. Instead, you just stood there.

I saw him in the river. I follow him while he charges towards xr. At the end of his charge and I'm still on top of him mounted scratching my head he pops a stun pot. Then, I decide to leave him, and run NW toward BB. I see him charge back. I see Plok. I get stealth detect. He didn't dismount me until plok and stealth detect was in range.....


Take off your goggles. The reaver had no intention of fighting me. He was getting to safety.....


Why else would he charge AWAY from me then immediately pop a stun pot while running towards xr away from me?


EDIT: Pouncy, Plok, Starker-trying-to-dismount-me-while-sprinting-with-half-health, and you all chasing me. Do you really expect me to, with being zerged constantly, to expect anything less. Come on! I took what I had coming for trying to coax a reaver into fighting me (And not ganking him or the half-health Starker I might add)

Originally Posted by loriendil

Nobody but Nog touched you. You could have easily fought back. Instead, you just stood there.

Indeed. Shows a very bad attitude on my part. Very jaded. I can assure you after chasing him then he charging back suddenly did that. If he had fought me at the river; and ya'll rescued him. No problem. That's fine.

For instance, I fought CapnJack (WL) for 3 minutes behind HH the other day. He was grouped (I think) with Nymerica. When Nymerica arrived unstealthed. He had a dilemma. Interrupt or help his friend. When the fight got down to the wire, Nymerica took me out. Decided the fight. That's fine. Very mean to not even help his friend.


So please, forgive my bad attitude. The fact the reaver only engaged when he was safe just put me out. My deepest apologies. I don't think I would have done that if he had engaged and baited me until you guys arrived to save him (not that I have an auto-win, reavers, and he, could have very well beaten me honestly). But the fact he charged and potted in order to get to safety, then, all of a sudden, was brave just put me out. I'm sorry.

And anyone who knows that reaver. Please, tell him to not be scared. I know reavers have it rough but I usually lose to reavers.

I don't pot out of their disarm. I hate it when creeps pot out of my debuffs/slows so I'd hate to do it to someone else, especially when they time it so beautifully to mess me up. I just had a down-to-the-wire fight with a reaver named Baccbash. I actually had to kite him like a panzy.


So please, tell the reaver you named that he should attack me with confidence....



Maybe I should have just let Drenton dismount me while he sprinted instead of out-maneuvering him. Maybe, since he was half-health, I should have taken him out for 50 renown before you all got me. Maybe I should do that next time. But to me, it seems sorta dirty. I'm so ridiculous. I really just should have done that instead of trying to find a 'fair' fight

Originally Posted by soccercake7

I saw him in the river. I follow him while he charges towards xr. At the end of his charge and I'm still on top of him mounted scratching my head he pops a stun pot. Then, I decide to leave him, and run NW toward BB. I see him charge back. I see Plok. I get stealth detect. He didn't dismount me until plok and stealth detect was in range.....


Take off your goggles. The reaver had no intention of fighting me. He was getting to safety.....


Why else would he charge AWAY from me then immediately pop a stun pot while running towards xr away from me?


EDIT: Pouncy, Plok, Starker-trying-to-dismount-me-while-sprinting-with-half-health, and you all chasing me. Do you really expect me to, with being zerged constantly, to expect anything less. Come on! I took what I had coming for trying to coax a reaver into fighting me (And not ganking him or the half-health Starker I might add)

Originally Posted by soccercake7

And anyone who knows that reaver. Please, tell him to not be scared. I know reavers have it rough but I usually lose to reavers.

I don't pot out of their disarm. I hate it when creeps pot out of my debuffs/slows so I'd hate to do it to someone else, especially when they time it so beautifully to mess me up. I just had a down-to-the-wire fight with a reaver named Baccbash. I actually had to kite him like a panzy.


So please, tell the reaver you named that he should attack me with confidence....



Maybe I should have just let Drenton dismount me while he sprinted instead of out-maneuvering him. Maybe, since he was half-health, I should have taken him out for 50 renown before you all got me. Maybe I should do that next time. But to me, it seems sorta dirty. I'm so ridiculous. I really just should have done that instead of trying to find a 'fair' fight

Originally Posted by soccercake7

I wouldn't call this a 1v1 per se but funny all the same.



I was being chased by 3 wargs and Plok. Arctic, Maniia, plok, and someone else south of TR.

I make my way fleeing to BB and I see a reaver. He charges away from me then pops a 10 sec stun pot. Then, at xr, as if by magic, he gets BRAVE! He charges back! Why the change of heart? Well, plok and the wargs (who I could stealth detect) have caught up! They're all together. YAY!


Nice job reaver. well earned.

Lets set a few things straight

1. I popped resilience, not a stun pot. I find buying consumables from the store wasteful and generally not cool.

2. I was in a group. When I am in a group I play to benefit the group, this means stringing along freeps towards the group so the group can get infamy. Ask around, whenever I am scouting for the group and a freep starts chasing me creeps magically appear. When I am solo I will 1v1, if and only if, I am solo.

3. I was in that group for a long, and I mean long, period of time. We had even killed you once or twice by that point while you were roaming. Maybe you should have used your powers of reasoning and common sense to figure out I was dragging you to the people that had already killed you once before.

4. If you want to 1v1 and I am not grouped and you find me roaming doing my normal questing. I will 1v1 you. However, if I seemed hesitant to 1v1 I will bring two reasons to your attention. A. I was in a group, see above. B. I have audacity 3. You are rank 12ish(can't remember what the icon is) so I must assume you have audacity 7. This means that unless you are a
poorly skilled player you should win based on the math. I assume since you are a high rank that you are not a poorly skilled player. I also consider the large damage output your class could do to mine even if I had audacity 7. I take that into account when considering fighting anyone I run into. I do not blindly charge in like some of my more carefree creep counterparts.

5. You could have fought back. Before the group I was in came into view you had given up and just stood there. So I wouldn't call that a 1v1. I'd call it you giving up and allowing me to kill you. I know this because their dots were at lc. We were south east of lc on the road. Therefore they could not have possibly been in range for you to see.

6. The group didn't touch you once. They weren't even in combat.

7. I enjoy fair fights. However I never assume I will get one. I have pvped(not on this server) for the games entirety. I have had maybe 200 fair fights in that entire time. I plan for the worst and if the best happens then I'm pleasantly surprised.

8. While I enjoy the sentiment of not using certain skills or consumables in 1v1s again see the points above. If I knew, and I mean knew 100% people wouldn't pot out of things that I used(which is only a disarm, a miss chance debuff, and a bleed) then I would do the same. Again though, people not only do that but they also buy tons of consumables from the store and use them on a regular basis. If you don't do that then props to you, however since I'm new to the server I'm not going to know that and therefore I'm going to throw everything I have at you until I see/hear otherwise.

If your going to attempt to insult me or call me out. Please do it right. At least then it will be warranted and/or entertaining.
I look forward to seeing you/1v1ing you in the moors.

~Nogglin

I think if you were being ganked by like 4 or 12, it'd be hilarious, and deserved, to kite/bait them into your group. Hilarious.

I think scurrying away from someone just so you're in safety is sorta no-risk PvP.


But as Maniia has explained to me on her freep, some folks are literally here to socially #### people so I gotta be fine with that

Socialize away!


And since people will probably freak out, I'm kidding. It's a joke! Have fun everyone. Sorry I'm so grumpy!

Originally Posted by soccercake7

But as Maniia has explained to me on her freep, some folks are literally here to socially #### people so I gotta be fine with that

I don't think you really saw one word I said.

Let's just clear one thing up here...

Stun pots are not "from the store". They're readily available from the vendors in the Ettenmoors (the "pain" versions for coin and the no-pain for Comms) and IMHO no one should be out there without at least a stack of each (stun and root removal). The fear removal ones can be pretty key at times too...

There's been so much wailing about the use of store bought insignias/brands but I think people are missing out on the reality that pots can and are very effective.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Let's just clear one thing up here...

Stun pots are not "from the store". They're readily available from the vendors in the Ettenmoors (the "pain" versions for coin and the no-pain for Comms) and IMHO no one should be out there without at least a stack of each (stun and root removal). The fear removal ones can be pretty key at times too...

There's been so much wailing about the use of store bought insignias/brands but I think people are missing out on the reality that pots can and are very effective.

Same goes for a brand or brand pots, not store bought everytime you see a blue circle. Well, except on couts, he spends 3 bucks a day when he plays.

The whole complaint has been silly for years. People complaining about people using brands, people complaining about people using potions. Store bought, crafted, vendored, who cares? Its part of the game.

Its the argument of weak people.

So just now there was a call out about wargs camping GV, so me and two others go to see what is going on and I get a bit ahead of the group and see our mini is getting attacked. I get there and find Ratdeath, Dushur, Uzgaroth, Risrat chomping on the mini and about 10sec later he was dead and all 4 wargs were still up. So the fight falls into a 4v2 champ and I no healing. warg morale starts to drop and just before any of them die they start to hip.

Now I was under the impression that the Sucidial Warg Squad will not run for a fair or somewhat fair fight (depending on how you look at this). Now please correct me if I am wrong because there is a whole lotta hiping going on.

Originally Posted by InnerChild77

So just now there was a call out about wargs camping GV, so me and two others go to see what is going on and I get a bit ahead of the group and see our mini is getting attacked. I get there and find Ratdeath, Dushur, Uzgaroth, Risrat chomping on the mini and about 10sec later he was dead and all 4 wargs were still up. So the fight falls into a 4v2 champ and I no healing. warg morale starts to drop and just before any of them die they start to hip.

Now I was under the impression that the Sucidial Warg Squad will not run for a fair or somewhat fair fight (depending on how you look at this). Now please correct me if I am wrong because there is a whole lotta hiping going on.

1> Why no healing? That mini should've been back to you inside of 30 seconds. (Less, if they were actually "camping" GV.

2> Part of fighting wargs...especially as a champ is to force them to hips/sprint. If you do that you've won...the first battle. The second battle is if they come back before the cooldown resets.

3> The other part of fighing wargs is timing your stuns/burst to enable kills BEFORE them can hips/sprint. I work very hard to bring a warg down WITH my morale to that they feel safe in continuing the fight...THEN hit them with a horn and burst them with everything you have to try and get the kill before they can escape...note: ALWAYS make sure you have a fresh bleed on them prior to the horn...that way if/when your burst isn't enough then the bleed tics can sometimes do that last couple hundred needed to finish them.

Now, having said all that....yeah wargs are annoying. Nothing more to say on that topic.

Originally Posted by Olympic

The whole has been silly for years. People complaining about people using brands, people complaining about people using potions. Store bought, crafted, vendored, who cares? Its part of the game.

Its the argument of weak people.

I understand your point and agree...mostly...but I still cringe at the use of those store bought brand/insignias.

1> They're FAR more powerful than their EARNED versions. (no big cooldown and usable in combat)
2> They're not available in game.

That's really the only exception that I make...the run speed boosts and leg breaking immunity are pretty lame too but FAR less useful...so meh...

I can't answer for them, but this SWS warg would've stayed for a 4v2, even with the possibility of getting nuked to bits. If the numbers were reversed, I would disappear unless 1 of them was about to die. In that case, I would finish off that 1 and disappear if still alive (though I'm usually dead by that time). Don't know why they would run, a 4v2 is great odds for a victory, you'll have to ask them. For me, it's a no brainer, fight till death.

Originally Posted by Thane9

1> Why no healing? That mini should've been back to you inside of 30 seconds. (Less, if they were actually "camping" GV.

2> Part of fighting wargs...especially as a champ is to force them to hips/sprint. If you do that you've won...the first battle. The second battle is if they come back before the cooldown resets.

1. I was dps traited and attuned they killed the healer so the time it would take to switch my attunment how I was traited would have meant death

2. They never came back

I get a lot of freeps with escape skills using them to not die against me... C'est la vie...


Gut Out!

Originally Posted by InnerChild77

So just now there was a call out about wargs camping GV, so me and two others go to see what is going on and I get a bit ahead of the group and see our mini is getting attacked. I get there and find Ratdeath, Dushur, Uzgaroth, Risrat chomping on the mini and about 10sec later he was dead and all 4 wargs were still up. So the fight falls into a 4v2 champ and I no healing. warg morale starts to drop and just before any of them die they start to hip.

Now I was under the impression that the Sucidial Warg Squad will not run for a fair or somewhat fair fight (depending on how you look at this). Now please correct me if I am wrong because there is a whole lotta hiping going on.

I'll let Hithy address what SWS wargies should or shouldn't do in a situation. Generally speaking, it's encouraged that SWS wargies fight the good fight against fair odds. Some of us a far more suicidal than others.

For myself, I would have stuck it out. 4 wargs with a mini down...that's pretty good odds for a 2nd kill. After a 2nd one is down...well, I expect there's a warg or two gone as well. At that point, I'd have to make the call according to who's left and the general odds. Either way, those are the fights that tend to be the most fun for me.

-pup-

Originally Posted by Thane9

I understand your point and agree...mostly...but I still cringe at the use of those store bought brand/insignias.

1> They're FAR more powerful than their EARNED versions. (no big cooldown and usable in combat)
2> They're not available in game.

That's really the only exception that I make...the run speed boosts and leg breaking immunity are pretty lame too but FAR less useful...so meh...

That being said, would be nice to have a store bought booster for man-heal. We haven't had people e-raging about man-heal in quite some time now.

Originally Posted by Olympic

That being said, would be nice to have a store bought booster for man-heal. We haven't had people e-raging about man-heal in quite some time now.

Remember when man heal would bring you from nil to full morale? How times have changed. The only skill I can recall leading to more QQ was the old in-combat DF.

Originally Posted by Jamers

Remember when man heal would bring you from nil to full morale? How times have changed. The only skill I can recall leading to more QQ was the old in-combat DF.

Having had both of those skills I have to agree

NOTHING was funnier than standing there letting a warg tear you down to 25% and poofing...which is why the skill in the moors went away. The QQ got so bad...I mean I can understand if a hunter was able to HIPS away or something...

Originally Posted by InnerChild77

So just now there was a call out about wargs camping GV, so me and two others go to see what is going on and I get a bit ahead of the group and see our mini is getting attacked. I get there and find Ratdeath, Dushur, Uzgaroth, Risrat chomping on the mini and about 10sec later he was dead and all 4 wargs were still up. So the fight falls into a 4v2 champ and I no healing. warg morale starts to drop and just before any of them die they start to hip.

Now I was under the impression that the Sucidial Warg Squad will not run for a fair or somewhat fair fight (depending on how you look at this). Now please correct me if I am wrong because there is a whole lotta hiping going on.

Suicidal Warg Squad should engage any targets on sight. They should proseucte that fight until they are victorious, or are dead.

If some SWS found you near GV, engaged, got a kill, and then were not there when you came back to find them - I'd say thats OK. We don't camp anywhere. Consider it a drive-by nomming.

As for SWS Wargies Disappearing from a fight - thats a tactical decision of the leader. Maybe they planned to get you someplace else - I honestly don't know. I was not there and did not participate in this. Given those odds - I would stay and fight. I would stay and fight given any odds - but perhaps that is my own peculiarity

I do discourage SWS from hanging around GV and res circles, and as far as I can see, the tribe complies. What else do you want me to do?

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Thanks for the info, we hear things freepside of course so we were expecting them to come back after they hipsed because a 4v2 is pretty good odds but they didn't and just to clarify we were responding to a GV warg pack camping call out so not so much of a drive by noming I think.

It got better afterwards when it became a 6v3 they engaged us a fair number of times and not always with NPCs on us so the fighting got better.

Originally Posted by InnerChild77

1. I was dps traited and attuned they killed the healer so the time it would take to switch my attunment how I was traited would have meant death

2. They never came back

Well lets see maybe because a fully attuned RK can 3 shot a good portion of wargs? No brainer there.

Speaking of DF, um, turbine, give it back to us, and also make it do an AoE DoT dealing 2,500 damage every 2 seconds for infinity seconds.

Originally Posted by Stanimir

Speaking of DF, um, turbine, give it back to us, and also make it do an AoE DoT dealing 2,500 damage every 2 seconds for infinity seconds.

Yes please!

Ya DF would be nice again, but on a 40min cd or something (while in moors)

Oh how I would love to DF when the massive warg pack jumps me whilst I run around by myself...

As it stands Hunters have no "oh poop" buttons. I usually just jump up and down when I'm getting roflstomped. Last act of defiance. I used to play a champ, and at least then you could pull a boromir and sound the horn of gondor before going 6 feet under.

Originally Posted by Stanimir

. I usually just jump up and down when I'm getting roflstomped. Last act of defiance.

I do the exact same thing!

Originally Posted by Stanimir

As it stands Hunters have no "oh poop" buttons. I usually just jump up and down when I'm getting roflstomped. Last act of defiance. I used to play a champ, and at least then you could pull a boromir and sound the horn of gondor before going 6 feet under.

Funny, so do I... It's nice to know hunters think alike! LOL

Originally Posted by DrumMajorC

Oh how I would love to DF when the massive warg pack jumps me whilst I run around by myself...

Not feeling sorry for Hunters not being able to escape one class, wargs, (assuming the wargs get them in combat and keep them in it). Not like Hunters never use DF ("Desert Friends" as Budhorn sometimes calls it) to escape incoming Creeps, I see it almost every time I'm grouped on my Defiler.

I often saw burgs and wargs use HIPS when the other side was approaching...

I can't really fault any hunter for an "oh S***!" DF when they see an oncoming zerg. As a warg I've Disappeared when I see a large number of freeps coming at me (Suicidal doesn't necessarily mean crazy ya'know).

My only issue is it is when hunters of a certain diminuative kind use it in tandem with their flop.

-pup-

Originally Posted by Maryam

Not feeling sorry for Hunters not being able to escape one class, wargs, (assuming the wargs get them in combat and keep them in it). Not like Hunters never use DF ("Desert Friends" as Budhorn sometimes calls it) to escape incoming Creeps, I see it almost every time I'm grouped on my Defiler.

It is not just to escape wargs, but anything more than 2 creeps really, against which we have next to zero chance of even getting a kill. As far as soloing, hunters have it among the hardest of any class to do well, and the minute the numbers become stacked against us we might as well just stand there and jump cause trying to do anything will not get very far. I'm not talking about Budhorn's use of the skill, where he runs away from a raid of creeps while within a raid of freeps, because I will agree, that is silly, and while I do DF whenever I see an incoming zerg when I am solo, it is impossible, and disheartening to be unable to do so once I am in combat and see wargs be able to hips and sprint away from an equally sized freep zerg, or reavers dying rage away or whatever.

If they brought it back and perhaps introduced a limit to not be able to use the skill in combat in raid size groups, that might be interesting, and would at least prevent me from getting zerged every half hour.

Originally Posted by dniv14

Funny, so do I... It's nice to know hunters think alike! LOL

You hunters need to stop hopping. It only makes Pounce want to hop around as well. And that just looks silly.

I can see wanting to bring back DF for an occasional Oh #### button. Right now we have Hobbit hunters who flop on the ground, drop combat and immediately DF when they pop up. And while it is a funny thing to watch your little tidbit get away at the last minute, it can be a detriment if you have invited friends to dinner and the dinner is to go.

I think hunters do have it harder then other freeps up close, but at ranged you guys totally kick butt. And I have the arrows in mine to prove it. Solo hunters of any class, on either side take their chances when the go into the moors alone.

Its bad when Muath decided to map out on second hips from 1v1 =( when those burgs gonna stop worrying about stars and start fighting back, maybe eventually they will get batter at their class.

Its bad 1v1 when Coot burg double hipses on me in HH with tons of npcs while using bunch of store pots and still dies.

Originally Posted by sarefx

Its bad when Muath decided to map out on second hips from 1v1 =( when those burgs gonna stop worrying about stars and start fighting back, maybe eventually they will get batter at their class.

yeah i bet they would all be higher rank if they decided to stay and fight most the time