Thread: NPC ability evening?

Think it would be possible to bring freep NPC's in-line with creep NPC's? At least as far as damage.

I know most creeps laugh at freep NPC's, I know 1 warleader can run through Ost and by the time he gets to the relic he has only 1 Lieutenant on him.. whereas the freeps have to constantly butt heads against npcs... and creeps just seem to forget the NPC's are there.... I swear to god a norbog does more damage than a freep NPC... in fact i'm fairly sure 1-1, in isengard, the freep NPC's lose fairly easily to similar creep NPC's.


Right now I watched 3 creeps wipe 3 freeps inside EC, with 1 warleader tanking the whole camp, if only a guardian could tank all of OC and heal himself at the same time >.>

guards dont need to heal themselves. their mits are so high the npc's barely touch them, and they can just pledge/WF.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Think it would be possible to bring freep NPC's in-line with creep NPC's? At least as far as damage.

I know most creeps laugh at freep NPC's, I know 1 warleader can run through Ost and by the time he gets to the relic he has only 1 Lieutenant on him.. whereas the freeps have to constantly butt heads against npcs... and creeps just seem to forget the NPC's are there.... I swear to god a norbog does more damage than a freep NPC... in fact i'm fairly sure 1-1, in isengard, the freep NPC's lose fairly easily to similar creep NPC's.


Right now I watched 3 creeps wipe 3 freeps inside EC, with 1 warleader tanking the whole camp, if only a guardian could tank all of OC and heal himself at the same time >.>

A guardian can pull all of OC and allow other freeps to run in and kill creeps.

One big thing freep npcs have on creep ones is the disarm.

Originally Posted by Daec

A guardian can pull all of OC and allow other freeps to run in and kill creeps.

One big thing freep npcs have on creep ones is the disarm.

^forgot to mention this. omg so annyoing

Very funny.

Guardians can run in & out of keeps or OC at will, taking very little to no damage thanks to mitigations far higher than any creep plus pledge. Hell, they can pull all NPCs, get pounded on by a bunch of creeps for quite a while and sprint to safety if their morale gets low.

Shield wardens will also have little trouble with large numbers of NPCs, thanks to their mitigations, avoidances and self heals.

Spear wardens, champs, captains or burgs can all and do regularly run through medium numbers of NPCs, whack creeps for a bit, thanks to mitigations, avoidances, self heals, touch & go / knives out / find footing, bubbles, you name it, and apart from wardens, can typically make it out alive should they find themselves focused on by creeps (sprint, hips, last stand, make haste).

Minstrels can run around with a smaller bunch of NPCs on them for pretty much ever also, as long as they don't get creeps on them on top of it.

And the best part ? Creep NPCs die much faster than freep NPCs due to the vast gap in damage output, especially AOE.

Oh and creeps get constantly disarmed and stunned by pretty much every freep NPC.

Freeps on my server are getting into the habbit of running into TA pulling everything up to the tyrant, not bothering to clear what they pulled, and killing the tyrant in 20s with a bunch of creeps helplessly trying to stop them.

Come on creeps can just stand there while a hobbit uses it flop and get pounded on by npc's I watched 1 warg 11k health bar stand there with 6 NPC's hitting him waiting for a mini to get up I am betting if a Freep could do that it would be nerfed in the next up date the mini has been slaughtered in the moors we are considered OP if we hit for more than 5k yet creeps can hit for that regularly and that is considered OK.I for one have deleted all my creeps and now do not play the moors till it is a even battle field

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Come on creeps can just stand there while a hobbit uses it flop and get pounded on by npc's I watched 1 warg 11k health bar stand there with 6 NPC's hitting him waiting for a mini to get up I am betting if a Freep could do that it would be nerfed in the next up date
Seriously? Are you actually serious? A warg cannot take that pounding from 6 NPC's for the full duration of the hobbit flop. And, freeps don't get nerfed, creeps do.

the mini has been slaughtered in the moors we are considered OP if we hit for more than 5k yet creeps can hit for that regularly and that is considered OK.
Minstrels being slaughtered? Maybe if there's more than 4 freeps. Otherwise said minstrel can solo them all. What are you talking about? NO creep class can hit for 5k, ever. The best I have seen is a BA hit for 4.6k VT on a level 40 RK. VT's and Revenges very rarely go above 2k now, thanks to audacity and freep mits. The reavers devastating strike is not so devastating.
I for one have deleted all my creeps and now do not play the moors till it is a even battle field

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Freep NPCs hit you with stuns and disarms over and over.

Creep NPCs hit you with a piddly little poison DOT.

I'd rather be fighting the latter any day of the week.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

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Hmmm if I could point out names here I would but lets just say I have seen your little tantrums in Glff and get a laught out of them

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Hmmm if I could point out names here I would but lets just say I have seen your little tantrums in Glff and get a laught out of them

i got a laugh out of your post, dont worry.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Think it would be possible to bring freep NPC's in-line with creep NPC's? At least as far as damage.

I know most creeps laugh at freep NPC's, I know 1 warleader can run through Ost and by the time he gets to the relic he has only 1 Lieutenant on him.. whereas the freeps have to constantly butt heads against npcs... and creeps just seem to forget the NPC's are there.... I swear to god a norbog does more damage than a freep NPC... in fact i'm fairly sure 1-1, in isengard, the freep NPC's lose fairly easily to similar creep NPC's.


Right now I watched 3 creeps wipe 3 freeps inside EC, with 1 warleader tanking the whole camp, if only a guardian could tank all of OC and heal himself at the same time >.>

Are you sure you are playing PvMP in LOTRO? You CAN'T be playing the same game everyone else is.....

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Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Hmmm if I could point out names here I would but lets just say I have seen your little tantrums in Glff and get a laught out of them

Ah, what an excellent counter-argument. I mean he did give a few valid points and he did almost prove you wrong, but when you said "get a laught out of them", you completely owned him man... you so cool
</sarcasm>

I lol'd when you said Minis are not OP, and creeps hit for 5k+, and the cherry on the top, they hit for 5k+ *regularly*.

Take a warleader against 2 freep NPCs. See how much healing you get off.

As a Minstrel, I have personally kited all of the NPCs in Orc Camp and healed myself through the damage while my compatriots have killed the Creeps hiding in there. I have seen Wardens and Guardians do the same and last even longer than I can, even with Creeps also attacking them. I have also seen Freeps pull entire keeps to zerg down a few Creeps... and vice versa.

Personally, I believe NPC ability is about equal on either side. Perception is a tricky thing, but do try to look at the whole picture.

I've seen a warden tank about 10 npcs in OC while my reaver was going all out dps on him at the same time. His health didn't drop. NPCs are weak on both sides.

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Come on creeps can just stand there while a hobbit uses it flop and get pounded on by npc's I watched 1 warg 11k health bar stand there with 6 NPC's hitting him waiting for a mini to get up I am betting if a Freep could do that it would be nerfed in the next up date the mini has been slaughtered in the moors we are considered OP if we hit for more than 5k yet creeps can hit for that regularly and that is considered OK.I for one have deleted all my creeps and now do not play the moors till it is a even battle field

It's post like this that 98% Bull Im glad you left.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

^forgot to mention this. omg so annyoing

You just go on killing lowbies in HH

Originally Posted by 1BadDad

It's post like this that 98% Bull Im glad you left.

Post like yours that show me how narrow minded creep players are

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

You just go on killing lowbies in HH

lol what? and who are you?

Originally Posted by 0987654321

lol what? and who are you?

I am me and you are you and I know you but you dont know me

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

I am me and you are you and I know you but you dont know me

probably some little noob freaver thats mad i killed him. or a freep thats mad he cant faceroll when fighting me.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

probably some little noob freaver thats mad i killed him. or a freep thats mad he cant faceroll when fighting me.

Wrong again on both counts never rolled a freaver in my time on Brandy and I havnt been in the moors since day 3 of U6 maybe you need to look closer to home

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Wrong again on both counts never rolled a freaver in my time on Brandy and I havnt been in the moors since day 3 of U6 maybe you need to look closer to home

umm..who the hell are you then? you obivously seem to know who i am....

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Wrong again on both counts never rolled a freaver in my time on Brandy and I havnt been in the moors since day 3 of U6 maybe you need to look closer to home

Y'know, you can't roll a "freaver" if you are a VIP. Just saying.
Also, if you think minis are underpowered, I'm sorry, your skill in PvP is so pathetic that you can't even manage to play a class that can faceroll its way to victory against anything.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

umm..who the hell are you then? you obivously seem to know who i am....

Hmmm and I thought you were more switched on than this Mr Cappy

Originally Posted by Haunt123

Y'know, you can't roll a "freaver" if you are a VIP. Just saying.
Also, if you think minis are underpowered, I'm sorry, your skill in PvP is so pathetic that you can't even manage to play a class that can faceroll its way to victory against anything.

Not once did I say they were underpowered so please make your assumptions elsewhere I said there were slaughtered ie A bubble that is a total waste of time since U6 and yes there damage was reduced but my argument is with creeps able to stand there while a npc hit them, A few wargs that will remain nameless are regulary killing freeps in ec some just standing there while waiting for the flop and plz dont say it isnt true as I know what I see. And again some wargs are also kiting npc in HH while taking down freeps,I know that both sides of the coin need to be looked at freep and creep all I said is I will not return till its a even battleground you guys seem to want to make the issue bigger not me.

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Not once did I say they were underpowered so please make your assumptions elsewhere I said there were slaughtered ie A bubble that is a total waste of time since U6 and yes there damage was reduced but my argument is with creeps able to stand there while a npc hit them, A few wargs that will remain nameless are regulary killing freeps in ec some just standing there while waiting for the flop and plz dont say it isnt true as I know what I see. And again some wargs are also kiting npc in HH while taking down freeps,I know that both sides of the coin need to be looked at freep and creep all I said is I will not return till its a even battleground you guys seem to want to make the issue bigger not me.

So... are you saying creepside is overpowered?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

So... are you saying creepside is overpowered?

Hmmm you seem to have your mind in the power issue I am simply saying the wargs are not tanks and should be looked at.Read my friend Evilstevo and long burrow some more lol

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Hmmm you seem to have your mind in the power issue I am simply saying the wargs are not tanks and should be looked at.Read my friend Evilstevo and long burrow some more lol

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Seriously? Are you actually serious? A warg cannot take that pounding from 6 NPC's for the full duration of the hobbit flop.

As Stevo said, a warg *cannot* tank the freep npcs for that long. So, vid or it didn't happen.

Oh, and there is a huge difference between a tank and a class that can survive a lot. My defiler can ignore damage done by many NPCs by just self-healing through it. Minis can do the same. But that doesn't make minis tanks. Nor will you ever hear on glff, "Need tank for yyy, mini preferred".

ok. this guy obviously has no idea what hes talking about.

enjoy your own little fantasy world, anon little child.

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Hmmm you seem to have your mind in the power issue I am simply saying the wargs are not tanks and should be looked at.Read my friend Evilstevo and long burrow some more lol

Judging by your join date and post count you made this forum account to hide your actual identity. In any case, it seems like we seem to have upset you. Did some creeps kill you or something? Or perhaps I saw you coming in a group and decided to long burrow and prevent you from getting a kill, did that upset you?

Perhaps you are purposely trying to troll or are generally confused. A lot.

Originally Posted by aklouie

Take a warleader against 2 freep NPCs. See how much healing you get off.

huh? Even at R4 I can take 2 npc's on with no problem.. hello crit shouts that allow me to heal.. lol, Vyxe ... I've seen you take a lot more than 2 freep npcs on

Originally Posted by Nuth_KM

huh? Even at R4 I can take 2 npc's on with no problem.. hello crit shouts that allow me to heal.. lol, Vyxe ... I've seen you take a lot more than 2 freep npcs on

I doubt you will have no problems whatsoever, especially if you havn't bought commanders stance. They just slow down Warleader healing quite a bit - yes you can crit with your shouts, but that requires you to actually crit, and you only get 2 trys every 20 seconds.

Still - not as bad as a burg. Got one of those attacking you and you'll get zero heals of that require an induction.

A guardian posting this?

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Think it would be possible to bring freep NPC's in-line with creep NPC's? At least as far as damage.

I know most creeps laugh at freep NPC's, I know 1 warleader can run through Ost and by the time he gets to the relic he has only 1 Lieutenant on him.. whereas the freeps have to constantly butt heads against npcs... and creeps just seem to forget the NPC's are there.... I swear to god a norbog does more damage than a freep NPC... in fact i'm fairly sure 1-1, in isengard, the freep NPC's lose fairly easily to similar creep NPC's.


Right now I watched 3 creeps wipe 3 freeps inside EC, with 1 warleader tanking the whole camp, if only a guardian could tank all of OC and heal himself at the same time >.>

Are you aware of the fact that you're a Guard?

Sometimes I think freep OPness ruins their brain.

It probably doesn't help that few guardians/wardens perform their support role effectively whilst warleaders/defilers are essentially pigeonholed into it.

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Come on creeps can just stand there while a hobbit uses it flop and get pounded on by npc's I watched 1 warg 11k health bar stand there with 6 NPC's hitting him waiting for a mini to get up I am betting if a Freep could do that it would be nerfed in the next up date the mini has been slaughtered in the moors we are considered OP if we hit for more than 5k yet creeps can hit for that regularly and that is considered OK.I for one have deleted all my creeps and now do not play the moors till it is a even battle field

Trololololololol

After reading this thread... a "Fresh Breeze" just doesn't sound very refreshing at all. I think it's more like a "stale, beer fart, breeze" these days.

Originally Posted by freshbreeze

Come on creeps can just stand there while a hobbit uses it flop and get pounded on by npc's I watched 1 warg 11k health bar stand there with 6 NPC's hitting him waiting for a mini to get up I am betting if a Freep could do that it would be nerfed in the next up date the mini has been slaughtered in the moors we are considered OP if we hit for more than 5k yet creeps can hit for that regularly and that is considered OK.I for one have deleted all my creeps and now do not play the moors till it is a even battle field