Thread: Disappointing Rune-Keeper Audacity 'Thunder Struck' Set -- Would you agree with me ?

I would like to express as to how dissatisfied I am with the newly released ettenmoors Rune-keeper Audacity armour.
(Please note that the thread is about the armour set, nothing to do with Rune-keepers being underpowered in any way shape or form)


The set bonus's for the 'Thunder Struck' set must be a joke... Are you actually having us on... is this all just a big joke and you are willing to correct it next update ?

First off, the lack of critical rating and finesse upon the 'Thunder Struck' set is appalling, especially when competing with creeps critical hit avoidance and tactical mitigations along with resistance and tactical resistance.

Being a lightning dedicated player, I strongly believe that the armour is lacking in many ways compared to many other class sets with % damage increase and devastate magnitude on the 3rd and 5th set bonus

I mean really, Loremasters get +10% fire skill damage... along with the wardens +20% Spear-shield-damage bonus increase, whilst the burglars gain +10% off hand damage all on their 3rd set bonus... what do we get ? We get +5% stun chance on a skill that stuns 9 times out of 10 at max battle attunement... ( people would argue that the 'Scalding Writ' set gives +10% fire skill damage for a single skill... I would argue that 1. I'm a lightning dedicated player like many fellow Rune-keepers and 2. Its a damage bonus for a single skill, not all skills in that affinity )

5th set bonus don't get me started.... you have added induction removal to a NON-lightning affinity skill on a Lightning affinity dedicated armour set! Don't get me wrong, essence of winter is a high damage skill but its not even a lightning skill... you should full well have been more creative and I expected more from the armour sets.

Lets talk resistance... The lack of finesse on the new armour sets... what can I say except I had a 1 on 1 with a Blackarrow and he chain resisted my epic conclusion, sustaining bolt, shocking words, essence of storm and scribes spark along with 3 maybe 4 ceaseless argument usages (CHAIN RESIST so one after the other.. But ofcourse he had resistance food)

Lightning has always been a critically hitting class... I could only wish you had brought the +6% critical hit multiplier from the level 65 gear back into play and shoved it on the level 75 Audacity armour... I would even go as far as to say revamp it to +15% critical hit multiplier and ADD that as the 5th set bonus


I would propose the set bonus's for that affinity line should full well have been:

(3rd set bonus) Epic conclusion CANNOT be resisted and effectively has +10% critical hit chance.
(5th set bonus) Lightning based skills receive +10%/+15% critical hit multiplier.
(Lightning has always been known for the Critical hits and with the new armour from U6 there has been little to no increase in critical hit rates or damage)



Thoughts/opinions are welcome, Monster players should full well do their research into the other class sets before discouraging my proposed set bonus's

Feel free to go onto my profile and inspect my character, how he is geared/stats/morale ect...

Almost every class doesn't have good set bonuses on one or two of the armour sets. They must've figured they can't give rks anything too useful because they're already extremely powerful in the moors especially with the healing and writ updates they got. I mean the whole point of pvp armour having audacity is so they can somewhat control the builds that freeps use, to try to keep them balanced. They want to force you to wear audacity gear, which also has lower stats than the regular pve gear. The healing set has pretty good bonuses from what I can remember, while the dps one doesn't. Sort of like how the LM dps set has alright set bonuses while the other two are terrible. And since the armour itself doesn't have good stats on it, that +10% fire damage bonus is hardly an increase. I'm not saying it's not disappointing that there aren't good bonuses on the armour, but you can't expect them to give freeps anything too good when they're already powerful enough out there.

Originally Posted by Ryan607

I would like to express as to how dissatisfied I am with the newly released ettenmoors Rune-keeper Audacity armour.
(Please note that the thread is about the armour set, nothing to do with Rune-keepers being underpowered in any way shape or form)


The set bonus's for the 'Thunder Struck' set must be a joke... Are you actually having us on... is this all just a big joke and you are willing to correct it next update ?

First off, the lack of critical rating and finesse upon the 'Thunder Struck' set is appalling, especially when competing with creeps critical hit avoidance and tactical mitigations along with resistance and tactical resistance.

Being a lightning dedicated player, I strongly believe that the armour is lacking in many ways compared to many other class sets with % damage increase and devastate magnitude on the 3rd and 5th set bonus

I mean really, Loremasters get +10% fire skill damage... along with the wardens +20% Spear-shield-damage bonus increase, whilst the burglars gain +10% off hand damage all on their 3rd set bonus... what do we get ? We get +5% stun chance on a skill that stuns 9 times out of 10 at max battle attunement... ( people would argue that the 'Scalding Writ' set gives +10% fire skill damage for a single skill... I would argue that 1. I'm a lightning dedicated player like many fellow Rune-keepers and 2. Its a damage bonus for a single skill, not all skills in that affinity )

5th set bonus don't get me started.... you have added induction removal to a NON-lightning affinity skill on a Lightning affinity dedicated armour set! Don't get me wrong, essence of winter is a high damage skill but its not even a lightning skill... you should full well have been more creative and I expected more from the armour sets.

Lets talk resistance... The lack of finesse on the new armour sets... what can I say except I had a 1 on 1 with a Blackarrow and he chain resisted my epic conclusion, sustaining bolt, shocking words, essence of storm and scribes spark along with 3 maybe 4 ceaseless argument usages (CHAIN RESIST so one after the other.. But ofcourse he had resistance food)

Lightning has always been a critically hitting class... I could only wish you had brought the +6% critical hit multiplier from the level 65 gear back into play and shoved it on the level 75 Audacity armour... I would even go as far as to say revamp it to +15% critical hit multiplier and ADD that as the 5th set bonus


I would propose the set bonus's for that affinity line should full well have been:

(3rd set bonus) Epic conclusion CANNOT be resisted and effectively has +10% critical hit chance.
(5th set bonus) Lightning based skills receive +10%/+15% critical hit multiplier.
(Lightning has always been known for the Critical hits and with the new armour from U6 there has been little to no increase in critical hit rates or damage)



Thoughts/opinions are welcome, Monster players should full well do their research into the other class sets before discouraging my proposed set bonus's

Feel free to go onto my profile and inspect my character, how he is geared/stats/morale ect...

Agreed!

10chars

Originally Posted by Ryan607

5th set bonus don't get me started.... you have added induction removal to a NON-lightning affinity skill on a Lightning affinity dedicated armour set! Don't get me wrong, essence of winter is a high damage skill but its not even a lightning skill... you should full well have been more creative and I expected more from the armour sets.

Excuse me if I'm out of place here, this is my first posting.

But at OP, I see you keep referring to affinity and this got me to wondering as I think I read this link correctly. We RK's (mine is only lvl 30) no longer have to worry about carrying around various stones for lighting, fire or cold affinity skills to make those skills more powerful. And "writs" have also been changed. So I'm guessing that when they added induction removal, that it applies across the board to all the affinities?

Check out hunter set bonuses if you think yours are bad.

Originally Posted by Ymi

Excuse me if I'm out of place here, this is my first posting.

But at OP, I see you keep referring to affinity and this got me to wondering as I think I read this link correctly. We RK's (mine is only lvl 30) no longer have to worry about carrying around various stones for lighting, fire or cold affinity skills to make those skills more powerful. And "writs" have also been changed. So I'm guessing that when they added induction removal, that it applies across the board to all the affinities?

What you are referencing too would be an induction removal on a frost base skill which DOES NOT change affinity dependant on the last skill used, also writ of cold is the WRIT that applies to having its induction removed for the affinity frost


Also it is worth mentioning... and I laugh at this... they have removed the induction on a skill that has an induction time of 1.5 seconds ( Just laugh with me ) What a waste of a 5th bonus!

You are excused for the post sir I don't expect you to know alot about the Rune-keeper equipment and how it compares to the Isengard sets... I mean after all the bonuses on the Isengard sets are way better... but Im being FORCED to wear the moors gear for Audacity

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

Check out hunter set bonuses if you think yours are bad.

I have and I will agree to that.

Yeah you´re right, the set bonuses on both offensive sets aren´t great, however, look at the stats

At least we got 606 Will (or 673 with Fire/Healing Set, 707 if you go for the highest possible Will combination)
Other DPS classes have to live with 450 of their Main Stat

Comparing my PvE and PvP builds (Morale, Power, Crit, Mastery are overall values including the effects from Vitality, Will and Fate)

PvE (5 Erebraw + Eglerin Shoes):
Morale: 972
Power: 2202
Vitality: 202
Will: 734
Fate: 188
Tact. Mastery: 8749
Critical Rating: 1597
Finesse: 2136

PvP (4 Thunder-struck + Scalding Writ Trousers and Gloves):
Morale: 1374
Power: 1818
Vitality: 336
Will: 606
Fate: 0
Tact. Mastery: 8172
Critical Rating: 1056
Finesse: 3204

The stats are good and easy to build around, our sets could have been worse, really

And by the way, as an RK you shouldn´t have problems any in the Moors right now anyway

Generally 1 out of 3 sets are good per class it seems, be glad you have one.

Would you prefer creeps just lay down when they see you so you can hit and crit all day? Try playing a creep before you complain about how bad your OP freep has it right now.

The Lightning set bonuses are pretty awful, yup. The vast majority of the sets are pretty bad though, but you're basically forced to get audacity pieces to be competitive.

Originally Posted by Felajarko

Would you prefer creeps just lay down when they see you so you can hit and crit all day? Try playing a creep before you complain about how bad your OP freep has it right now.

Try reading the 2nd line in the OP before you QQ.

I feel like the only class that didn't get the short straw for U6 PvP set bonuses was the captain. Also seems like LMs, hunters, and RKs got slapped the hardest. Heard from some minnies that their set is kinda disappointing too but haven't seen it

Originally Posted by Tarenius

The Lightning set bonuses are pretty awful, yup. The vast majority of the sets are pretty bad though, but you're basically forced to get audacity pieces to be competitive.


Try reading the 2nd line in the OP before you QQ.

Are you referring to "(Please note that the thread is about the armour set, nothing to do with Rune-keepers being underpowered in any way shape or form)"? And if you read MY post again you will see I am not QQing as you put it. The OP is complaining one of the armor sets he can earn sucks. Big deal. Most things creeps get suck. So get down from your high and mighty before you accuse people of QQing.

And if YOU reread the second line of the OP you will see the word underpowered when describing RKs....please....

Originally Posted by Felajarko

And if YOU reread the second line of the OP you will see the word underpowered when describing RKs....please....

And if you would actually read the passage properly you would notice that the second line clearly states that Rune-keepers ARE NOT underpowered in any way shape or form, whoever said we was ?


Love Legona

Originally Posted by Ryan607

nothing to do with Rune-keepers being underpowered in any way shape or form

Grammatically, this sentence says RKs are underpowered but you are not highlighting that in this post. It is only in an ambiguous manner you would be saying anything else. Read what you wrote dude.

I'm cool with the dps nerf as a trade off to 30% additional multiplicative mitigation. The fighting has been more noticeably balanced with the freep slight dps nerf. (still got a ways to go toward true balance).

Personally I have been enjoying the long lasting fights.

I will agree that the bonuses are silly but its all good... try mix-matching sets to utilize the 2 set and 4 set stat buffs as a way around it.

No matter what class you play or what side u play, use whatcha got and play to the best of your ability and do whatcha can to win. Or like Digital Underground, Dowhatchalike. (Ok I'm showing off my age).

<3

I personally think the audacity sets would hurt me more than help. I was with a hunter/lm/mini once and got rooted in blight by a warg with ~8+ creeps beating on me. Between the 4 of us I managed to stay alive. Later the same thing happened to the mini and we kept him alive. When the LM is debuffing and minstrel is actually traited to heal audacity just seems pointless. Also quite a few hunters would rather not sacrifice their dps for couple % better mitigation. To some extent the quicker creeps are dying the less damage will be taken.

DPS RKs might benefit from the sets if they run solo because they could use the extra audacity to stay alive longer if they get jumped. But when in group with great players I'd rather have dps stick with dps and healers stick with healing unless the stats/set bonus are beneficial for what they're doing

Almost all the sets are bad. I mixed and match on Mins just to try and compensate for the HUGE stat loss. Forget the set bonuses, I say. Anyway, Rune-keepers don't need to do more damage. An RK with Audacity is undeniably better than one without it, too. Did I read your post? Not really.

To be... or not to be....

Let me make a couple points here...

1) I got jumped by a rank 11 BA coming back from rez the other day. He opened with VT. I kept riding and finally noticed this about 8-10 seconds later as I noticed I was slightly less than full health and saw small double digit numbers ticking above my head. I rode around to search for my assailant but it was nowhere to be found. From this experience, I will gather that he is lucky he didn't NYD me off the horse after that VT otherwise he would have been demolished.

2) Yes... sporting that ugly azz armour with + audacity reduces our dps. Is is significant? Somewhat. But I will try to sell you on this statement. In my opinion and experience... our dps is still more than adequate.

We take a slight hit on dps while gaining a huge chunk in mitigations. If you are at the tactical mit cap (40%) and multiply an additional 30% from audacity, the product results in 58% damage reduction. I will take this anyday over gain of 5-10% outgoing damage for spec in the PvP environment.

Edit: Also take into consideration: What class usually gets targeted 1st by the wargs/spiders/reavers/BAs?

Thoughts?

<3

Originally Posted by 87_Suited

Edit: Also take into consideration: What class usually gets targeted 1st by the wargs/spiders/reavers/BAs?

Yeah, yesterday at STAB zerg I, the 8,4k Morale RK with 6 Audacity, was often targeted first, before the 6k Morale Hunters with 1 Audacity

I just LMAO and healed myself, running into EC from time to time when things got hairy
They definitly stole me a few KBs by targeting me first, but they would have made a lot more points going for the Hunters

Originally Posted by Bond007

I feel like the only class that didn't get the short straw for U6 PvP set bonuses was the captain. Also seems like LMs, hunters, and RKs got slapped the hardest. Heard from some minnies that their set is kinda disappointing too but haven't seen it

Mini sets are stat nerfs with little to nothing to be excited about...

Originally Posted by 87_Suited

I'm cool with the dps nerf as a trade off to 30% additional multiplicative mitigation. The fighting has been more noticeably balanced with the freep slight dps nerf. (still got a ways to go toward true balance).

Personally I have been enjoying the long lasting fights.

I will agree that the bonuses are silly but its all good... try mix-matching sets to utilize the 2 set and 4 set stat buffs as a way around it.

No matter what class you play or what side u play, use whatcha got and play to the best of your ability and do whatcha can to win. Or like Digital Underground, Dowhatchalike. (Ok I'm showing off my age).

<3

With healing left untouched in its current form, it's actually less balanced than previously and as always in freep favor. So, minor dps nerf aside it's actually worse and the only recourse is longer fights.

Originally Posted by Ryan607

5th set bonus don't get me started.... you have added induction removal to a NON-lightning affinity skill on a Lightning affinity dedicated armour set! Don't get me wrong, essence of winter is a high damage skill but its not even a lightning skill... you should full well have been more creative and I expected more from the armour sets.

http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Essence_of_Winter
Not trying to troll you ryan but from past fights with you and other rk's this is the most overlooked skill in your arsenal it can be a high damage aoe but the main advantage to the skill is that it lowers incoming healing by -30% and raises power cost on all skill's by 50% this skill may not come in very handy in a 1v1 depending on the class you are fighting but in a group or raid fight popping this one skill every time its off cd will cause the death of more creeps than a couple extra crit % will.

I know the induction for it is only 1.5 seconds so yes its not that major of a set bonus but when you are getting beat on a 1.5 second induction can take a really long time to go off this is coming from a person who plays warleader 95% of the time trust me on this. The real advantage to having it as a set bonus is that it points it out to players who may not even know they have the skill much less what the de-buff can do.

TBH take a look at the healing set if u have desire to heal out there...

The 5-set bonus is priceless especially when used in conjunction with calming verse (traited linod of peace)