Thema: swap emblem 3rd age 75?

Hi very quick post as on my phone do you think it would be possible to create an acceptable swap emblem from a 75 3rd age ? I have one I am levelling to take a scroll off but so far it has got strength of will, focus, time of need cd and shield of dun. I really don't want to rip apart an a good 3rd age unless I have to - the grind is bad enough as it is. Also it means I free up my 'spare' second age for a more dps or PvP build.
Thanks

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Hi very quick post as on my phone do you think it would be possible to create an acceptable swap emblem from a 75 3rd age ? I have one I am levelling to take a scroll off but so far it has got strength of will, focus, time of need cd and shield of dun. I really don't want to rip apart an a good 3rd age unless I have to - the grind is bad enough as it is. Also it means I free up my 'spare' second age for a more dps or PvP build.
Thanks

Focus would be the only legacy that'd eat it there, everything else is either a percentage or time deduction.

IMO, you can have a swap emblem if you want to, but you can still do just as fine for 99% of the content without it.

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Focus would be the only legacy that'd eat it there, everything else is either a percentage or time deduction.

IMO, you can have a swap emblem if you want to, but you can still do just as fine for 99% of the content without it.

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Focus would be the only legacy that'd eat it there, everything else is either a percentage or time deduction.

IMO, you can have a swap emblem if you want to, but you can still do just as fine for 99% of the content without it.

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Focus would be the only legacy that'd eat it there, everything else is either a percentage or time deduction.

IMO, you can have a swap emblem if you want to, but you can still do just as fine for 99% of the content without it.

Thank you - that was my thinking.... time reductions or percentages makes no difference on third age. The only restrictions would be on number of points to level legacies and ofc the focus buff.

What I am aiming to do is get time of need morale cost on there as well... level SoW, ToN CD, ToN Morale and Shield Of Dun to max then just throw whats left into focus buff.

In reality, how important is the extra focus buff? am I missing anything?

Dont bother with a lvl75 one. Get a lvl65 second age rune!
Put on it:
T4: Strength of Will (unless you have that on the main emblem)
T6: Tactics:Focus
T6: Escape from Darkness cooldown
T6: Shield of the Dunedain Cooldown
T6: Time of Need Cooldown
T6: Time of Need morale cost

That way, you can rank all six legacies to rank9 (obviously, Tactical healing rating is not an issue on a swap emblem like this), with 6 points left.

The very obvious advantage of this is of coruse the incomparably cheaper normal empowerment scrolls, both in the AH as well as at Harndirion. The ONLY tradeoff you make here is that a lvl 75 swap rune will give +53/+81 (third age/2nd age) more ICPR on a tactic that is very rarely used anyway - everything else is the same.

I have that same setup, no need to even put relics on it. Swapping works better though as long as you dont have relics giving +morale/+power on the main emblem, because your bars wont jump.

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Dont bother with a lvl75 one. Get a lvl65 second age rune!
Put on it:
T4: Strength of Will (unless you have that on the main emblem)
T6: Tactics:Focus
T6: Escape from Darkness cooldown
T6: Shield of the Dunedain Cooldown
T6: Time of Need Cooldown
T6: Time of Need morale cost

That way, you can rank all six legacies to rank9 (obviously, Tactical healing rating is not an issue on a swap emblem like this), with 6 points left.

The very obvious advantage of this is of coruse the incomparably cheaper normal empowerment scrolls, both in the AH as well as at Harndirion. The ONLY tradeoff you make here is that a lvl 75 swap rune will give +53/+81 (third age/2nd age) more ICPR on a tactic that is very rarely used anyway - everything else is the same.

I have that same setup, no need to even put relics on it. Swapping works better though as long as you dont have relics giving +morale/+power on the main emblem, because your bars wont jump.

Great thinking - thank you!

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Dont bother with a lvl75 one. Get a lvl65 second age rune!
Put on it:
T4: Strength of Will (unless you have that on the main emblem)
T6: Tactics:Focus
T6: Escape from Darkness cooldown
T6: Shield of the Dunedain Cooldown
T6: Time of Need Cooldown
T6: Time of Need morale cost

That way, you can rank all six legacies to rank9 (obviously, Tactical healing rating is not an issue on a swap emblem like this), with 6 points left.

The very obvious advantage of this is of coruse the incomparably cheaper normal empowerment scrolls, both in the AH as well as at Harndirion. The ONLY tradeoff you make here is that a lvl 75 swap rune will give +53/+81 (third age/2nd age) more ICPR on a tactic that is very rarely used anyway - everything else is the same.

I have that same setup, no need to even put relics on it. Swapping works better though as long as you dont have relics giving +morale/+power on the main emblem, because your bars wont jump.

Focus is going to be significantly weaker at 65 than at 75.

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Focus is going to be significantly weaker at 65 than at 75.

I don't recall the last time anyone asked for a focus buff. Actually, I do remember, it was pre-RoI when a kinmate's burg was crit capped, he decided he might as well take the icpr. I just hand out crit buffs to everyone but the tanks and no one asks for anything else. *shrug* maybe people need to examine their stats.

use a first age for slightly more legacy points. a L60 one is good enough. I'm still using my swap emblem from pre-roi. If anyone asks for focus buff I laugh at them then give them crit.

Excellent idea to use a lower level 1st age for these swap emblems. I've got a 3rd age 75 with some work in it already, but I fear I'm gonna have to pump a ton of marks into it to get all but the Focus buff maxed


Are the legacied focus and relentless attacks buffs balanced right, according to the stat budget thread? I think they might be. SA 75 Focus is something like +250 maxed out, right?

Ancient Master Lore Masters Find ICPR much more useful than crit. Since it's the ONLY raid spec that they should use, it still has it's uses.

That said, nobody else uses ICPR.

I am not sure, what you do with this emblem?
T4: Strength of Will (unless you have that on the main emblem)
T6: Tactics:Focus
T6: Escape from Darkness cooldown
T6: Shield of the Dunedain Cooldown
T6: Time of Need Cooldown
T6: Time of Need morale cost

When I have a primary healing emblem and I rez someone, does the resttime reset (gets shorten) if I toggle the emblem?
Does the same count for all cooldowns?

I tested the my weapon with the 10 % damage (don't know the english skill). Once I switch the weapon the enemy has only +5 extra damage.
Would be nice if you could explain this to me.
And it would be also helpfull if someone could tell me what traits to put on a (healing) weapon and a (healing) emblem. Considering that it has only 4 a-attributes.
Thanks a lot!

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When I have a primary healing emblem and I rez someone, does the resttime reset (gets shorten) if I toggle the emblem?
Does the same count for all cooldowns?

I tested the my weapon with the 10 % damage (don't know the english skill). Once I switch the weapon the enemy has only +5 extra damage.
Would be nice if you could explain this to me.
And it would be also helpfull if someone could tell me what traits to put on a (healing) weapon and a (healing) emblem. Considering that it has only 4 a-attributes.
Thanks a lot!

For a "swap emblem" you would equip it before using one of the skills affected by one of the legacies on it, use the skill, and then re-equip your main/healing emblem. The benefit from the shorter cooldown (or in the case of Strength of Will and Tactics: Focus, the higher quality buff) will remain even after you've switched back to your other emblem. To keep swapping between emblems in combat easy, I'll put both emblems on my quickslots so I just have to click to change emblems instantly.

The reason this doesn't work with Telling Mark is because it is a skill that is a toggle. You're essentially still casting it the entire time it's up, so if you change to a weapon that isn't able to give you the +5% version, you're not going to get that benefit.

For legacies on a healing emblem, (assuming you only have 4 pool A/major legacies available) I would go with:

Major:
Rallying Cry Cooldown
Vocal Skills Healing
Melee Skills Healing
Rallying Cry Healing

Minor:
Words of Courage Pulses

The last minor, I'd probably go with Muster Courage cooldown. I was lucky enough to get 5 majors on my healing emblem, so I used Strength of Will healing on it. I know it can be used on a swap emblem, but in my opinion, the time saved by not having to change emblems to recast that every 2 minutes was worth the legacy slot.

I don't really have a weapon set up specifically for healing. With weapon legacies, they're more multi-purpose and not really focused on healing like the emblems are. My must have major legacies for a weapon are Telling Mark and To Arms Duration, after that it's all just a matter of what you think you'll get the most use out of. On my current halberd, I'm using Pressing Attack Targets and Kick Cooldown (which I fully admit is more of a personal playstyle choice than anything else. A lot of people would get more use out of Pressing Attack or Devastating Blow Critical rating). For minors I use Blade of Elendil Damage and Defensive Strike armour buff.

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I am not sure, what you do with this emblem?
...
When I have a primary healing emblem and I rez someone, does the resttime reset (gets shorten) if I toggle the emblem?
Does the same count for all cooldowns?

If you swap in this emblem before using any of the skills on it, these skills will get the benefits from the emblem. You can swap back to your normal emblem afterwards.

Example: Swap in the emblem->revive someone->swap back. As a result, escape from darkness will only be on 20 minutes cooldown instead of the standard 30 minutes.

Note: you always have to swap in the emblem before using the skill. It is best to make a quickslot with both emblems so you can swap using one click/button without searching in your bag.

You can do this as well with a weapon. Most Captains have a so-called "buffstick" that they swap in only for special buffs and effects; you can make one that has:

Kick Cooldown -- Major (not important)
Morale from Motivating Speech -- Major
Tactics: On Guard Parry Rating Buff -- Minor
Tactics: Relentless Attack Critical Rating Buff -- Minor
Increased Duration of Make Haste -- Minor

Red being the most important legacies here. This has to be a lvl 75 weapon though for full effect.

I tested the my weapon with the 10 % damage (don't know the english skill). Once I switch the weapon the enemy has only +5 extra damage.

Would be nice if you could explain this to me.

The skill is called "Telling mark". And it does not work in this case because it is a so-called toggle skill, which means it constantly applies its effect. When you change the weapon, it will also change the nature of this toggle skill.

Wow, thanks a lot for the very quick and professionel help!

To make it even cheaper i consider using a 3rd age level 65 emblem, since I would only need:
T6: Escape from Darkness cooldown
T6: Shield of the Dunedain Cooldown
T6: Time of Need Cooldown
T6: Time of Need morale cost
The bonus is not higher on a 2nd age, isn't it?
Or is the strength of the will bonus worth swaping every time?

No, the bonus is not higher on a second ager. In fact, the results of this emblem except for the tactics:Focus legacy will be the same with every Captain Emblem regardless of level or age. You can take a lvl 52 third age emblem and have the same effect from these legacies.

But the strength of will effect is absolutely worth swapping it in every time, at least when your healer or tank are struggling. Or put it on your main emblem right away, thats a choice you have to make.
Then again, a third ager has enough points to rank up all these legacies except the Tactics:Focus legacy to 9.

For what it's worth, I use a 75 2nd age emblem with the following legacies maxed out:

Strength of Will Healing
Shield of the Dunedain Cool down
Escape from Darkness Cool down
Time of Need Morale Cost
Time of Need Cool Down
Tactics: Focus

As others have said, you 'could' go with a 65 2nd age, don't believe there are any legacy differences besides the max output on Tactics: Focus; believe ToN/SotD keep their same amounts.

I went with a 75 2nd age, mostly because I personally like to have max buffs, even though Focus isn't used nearly as much as it was in the past, it is still nice to have a max Focus buff when someone asks for it.

I also swap emblems a lot, so prefer the ToN/SotD/SoW on my swap emblem over my main emblem. Which allows me to get a more useful legacy on my main/dps emblem or even a stat which will be more beneficial.