Thread: PvMP Arranged Fight Tournament 6/1/2012 - 6/2/2012

Hi all.

I remember doing this on my old server, and it was great. Everyone enjoyed it, and the fights were spectacular to watch.

I want to hold another tournament like that on the 1st and 2nd of June.

If you have a team you want to put up, please let me know in a message to this forum account and I will post your team here in the O.P..

The rules will be agreed upon on an individual fight basis, but some basic rules WILL be adhered to universally~
1. The fight is among the teams agreed upon up to the point of combat starting. No one else may interfere in any way. (Audience please stay a respectable distance from the fights you view.)
2. You must be in a fellowship with your entire team. This is simply to ensure there is equality on every level for both sides.
3. You may not be in vent with your opponent team for the duration of your fight with them.
4. There is no trash talk for this tournament. If you are going to trash talk, keep it in tells. Any public conflict over a fight will get your team disqualified, and a replacement team will be found to fight.
5. You better damn have fun!

Now the teams can be up to 6v6. 1v1's are not permitted. This is not a circle, this is a tournament. There will be 2v2 - 6v6, and anything in-between. Again contact me for team rosters, and I will post them. You may pick who you fight, and you're team may fight as many times as you like in the tournament.

Additionally ALL fights listed here are subject to change on tournament days, and may be allowed to ensue more than once after all *Previously Arranged* fights have "gone down". As well any team that forms up on tournament days that wants matches will go after all fights arranged in this thread have been taken care of.

The rules for the fights:

Rules for fights MUST be agreed upon by EVERY member of both teams. For the sake of the host's (Me) ease of organization I will not be allowing rule agreements/changes on Tournament days. If you want to Make rules on those days then do it among your team and your opponents please.

Any rules decided here will be permanent, and non changeable the days of the tournament. Again, if you wish to change anything that day do it amongst yourselves~ This will cause no problems tournament wise, but if the opposing team does not abide by rules that were not agreed upon here then I can do nothing for you.

If you fail to change or set up any rules you desired by the time of tournament days then you may wait until all arranged fights are finished, and I will allow a custom fight as if it were posted here. I cannot do this unless all previously arranged fights are through, so please only inquire about this AFTER all fights listed here are finished.

Team Rules:
1. Your team may be any make-up of classes that you choose.
2. Your entire team must be aware/agreed that they are participating.
3. There will be a designated leader for fights arranged here, and the leader is held responsible for any discrepancy having to do with the members of their teams. (All members present/not causing trouble, and abiding by agreed upon rules)

The teams: (Currently listed: 0)

FREEPS: 1 Teams

Two Member Teams:
Vaalea / Beastwise
Unitedstates / Eloquently
Download / Buna

Three Member Teams:
Unitedstates / Eloquently / Elweenn

Four Member Teams:

Five Member Teams:

Six Member Teams:
Unitedstates / Eloquently / Buna / Fallarden / Cortlund / Elweenn

CREEPS: 1 Teams

Two Member Teams:
Lockjawz / Lovepounce

Three Member Teams:
Lovepounce / Lockjawz / Pokerjoker
Four Member Teams:

Five Member Teams:

Six Member Teams:

I think the idea is great, just prepare for a lot of disappointment. The past few times this has been attempted on Brandywine it has been zerged. Even when the location was a secret.

My team of 24 will be there to show freeps who's boss.

could be fun. but sadly it will be zerged until its abandoned.

Yeah great idea, we did this once on silverlode and it worked out pretty well, but yeah here it will proably be zerged

Oh this should be fun :P

Isinub is my better half. We will be team rocket.

I have one word: Vaalbeast.

Originally Posted by Beastnas

I have one word: Vaalbeast.

Auto win...

I told you Lovepounce. Even the replies here state that it WILL get zerged.

Sounds like it would be fun. I'll see if anyone in OOFS is interested, or make some fast friends. Also still need to grind 2 more audacity . My bets for the 2v2 are on Warg-BA or RK-RK.

I'd also suggest that the rules for consumables be against Akulhun pots, brands, and store consumables at the very least.

I personally wouldn't partake in a ZERG, but something like this.....it will happen/

i will be bringing 5 minis with me

Originally Posted by Rainyman

I'd also suggest that the rules for consumables be against Akulhun pots, brands, and store consumables at the very least.

The rules will be agreed upon on a fight-by-fight basis as long as it is arranged ahead of the tournament days.

IF no rules are arranged there will be no rules aside from the universally applicable rules.

Originally Posted by Rainyman

My bets for the 2v2 are on Warg-BA or RK-RK.

Wrong. Anything + cappy.

Cool idea but 2 freeps vs 2 creeps... 1v1 can be fair but its because of the element of cc/resists/situation/luck anything. But with 2 freeps healing and DPS output really is insane. Example: WL reaver vs hunt/capt. We are going to kill the WL before ls or captain bubble either or. And any grp that doesn't have wl bubble/rez well? Wouldn't stand a chance imo.. 6v6 is the same concept with an excellent mini/capt/lm your group would be immune to 3-4 creep dps output. Kite through tar, everyone with stun immunity.... i dk. someone correct me if i'm wrong.

sounds fun, i'd suggest the following rules:
1) any buffs not part of your team makeup's ability not be allowed, aside from food obviously. basic stun pots, basic root pots, health and power potions are allowed
2) no store items.
3) no banners, runestones, and other Aura effects from people not in the team be allowed in the fight area
4) there should be a limit on both hips and dissappear (to prevent doing it till the cooldown comes back, jumping someone, waiting 5 mins etc)
5) desperate flight counts as a ko
6) no pulling or hiding in npc's running to 1 shotters
7) no standing on area's where your opponent's can't reach you eg: rocks (i realize the irony)
8) in 2 burg Vs 2 warg fights etc stealth is allowed for as long as you wish to maintain it within the area of competition.
9) leaving a pre-determined area results in disqualification
10) teams in which there is a ranged class should start apart from each other in order to allow ranged classes time to hit their skills and not be disadvantaged
11) there will be 3 judges to enforce these rules
12) in the event of interference either by npc's or freeps/creeps the fight will start again unless the judges deemed the fight a win for either side by unanimous decision (so for example 5 creeps left and 1 freep, someone interferes, the judges would usually decide to give the win to the creeps)
13) fights will go as long as they need to

there's prolly more but that seems to be fair to all.

I submit this as the official tournament rules basis, do we all feel we can accept these rules?
we can add or remove rules as needed, and in custom fights allow for the suspension of some of these rules or addition of others only by unanimous consent of all involved in the fight

I would also suggest no dof pots but that is a personal preference

Originally Posted by YesMaam

Cool idea but 2 freeps vs 2 creeps... 1v1 can be fair but its because of the element of cc/resists/situation/luck anything. But with 2 freeps healing and DPS output really is insane. Example: WL reaver vs hunt/capt. We are going to kill the WL before ls or captain bubble either or. And any grp that doesn't have wl bubble/rez well? Wouldn't stand a chance imo.. 6v6 is the same concept with an excellent mini/capt/lm your group would be immune to 3-4 creep dps output. Kite through tar, everyone with stun immunity.... i dk. someone correct me if i'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by klover307

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i would suggest 3 man teams for the best fights

Originally Posted by loki84

i would suggest 3 man teams for the best fights

sucks it wont make a difference for the creeps.

Also, double post, I think all of you being extremely cynical about the creeps losing all their fights need to understand that there are plenty of extremely strategical creeps that understand their strengths, and a well played team of certain make-ups will be extremely viable for winning against freep teams.

The one sole reason I believe most of these fights will be completely one sided.

Survivability.

And who wants to guess which side dominates in that area? ^^

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

Also, double post, I think all of you being extremely cynical about the creeps losing all their fights need to understand that there are plenty of extremely strategical creeps that understand their strengths, and a well played team of certain make-ups will be extremely viable for winning against freep teams.

while i agree, there are also things that creeps cant overcome, such as massive healing from mini's and captains. sure, stun and try and burst dps before they pot it, but DR+audacity+pots mean no stun will last much longer than 2-3 seconds. if the freeps know what they are doing, they will win. i do however see defiler+wl+BA/warg trio doing fairly well, however a hunter can dps the WL down through defiler heals easily enough, and then its pretty much game over if there is even the slightest bit of healing in the freep trio.

EDIT: ok fizze beat me too it lol. basically he said all the #### i just said in a single word.

I'll only say this. All these things were said before. Yet when this tournament went down on vilya, the creeps lost only one fight. This was back in MoM.

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

I'll only say this. All these things were said before. Yet when this tournament went down on vilya, the creeps lost only one fight. This was back in MoM.

Welcome to brandywine... The most populated server and to think you would see more serious raiding kins...
Oh and the creeps are no different.

But no Yelk and everyone else is right. U6 It wouldn't even be a challenge for the freeps. Unless it got really big and you had smaller pools of fools to pick on.

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

I'll only say this. All these things were said before. Yet when this tournament went down on vilya, the creeps lost only one fight. This was back in MoM.

I have no idea what MoM was like, but I let me say this:

Creeps will mostly lose. Fact. Yes, the best creep players on the server may be all on one team. But if the freeps know what they are doing then the creeps will lose. A WL will not be able to out heal a minstrel or RK. A reaver will not be able to out damage a champion, RK or burg. A BA will not out damage a hunter. A spider will not be able to provide stun immunity for his teammates and directly affect the freeps damage output. A high ranked warg, hmm, that will be useful.

Any group with a captain in it will probably be twice as hard to beat.

The point is, freeps excel at everything whereas creeps don't. Therefore, small scale fights will always be won by freeps, unless they are ########, or Voalings.

Just think of a 6 freep team:
1 minstrel
1 captain
1 LM
3 champs

Please, tell me how creeps are going to beat that with equal numbers.

10 dolla's there will be no reavers in any team

Yeah its impossible for creeps to win even numbers, all exsamples stated above are true. Its all in good fun love its cool that you try to set things like this up. But.. this game wasnt made for them scaled fights. 1v1's is about as good as it gets if thats what you want to call even for most classes freep/creep. Exsample casue im bored. Way back before MoM i belive it was me mere he was r8 at the time and i think skel? maybe he was low ranked at the time. Us three went up againts meic(champ) , alz(minnie) , and leo (Lm). Was a good fight but at the end leo could out heal my dps on the champ then lol. Now imgaine how things have changed if we tried to do the same fight same ppl (Dreams). Just be a face roll, but thanks on bringing back some old time memories!!

i tentatively propose a 6v12.

freep team:
Arrikthegreat
Nimfae
Lleo
Soleus
Suenami
Jefalaster/Adrastsos (i don't know how to spell your name ad =/)

=3 if no one wants to go against this team with double numbers then i suggest that the freeps just go all dps, no minnie heal, no cappy heal, no debuff traited LM vs 6+ creeps? just for fun =D (none of these people know that i'm putting them in a group wahaahaha)

You know it is easy to say this.. But lets just let people make there teams and see what happens. We all have our money what seems like the logical outcome.... But hey Seabiscuit wasn't that bad of a movie.

Originally Posted by kurrency420

Yeah its impossible for creeps to win even numbers, all exsamples stated above are true. Its all in good fun love its cool that you try to set things like this up. But.. this game wasnt made for them scaled fights. 1v1's is about as good as it gets if thats what you want to call even for most classes freep/creep. Exsample casue im bored. Way back before MoM i belive it was me mere he was r8 at the time and i think skel? maybe he was low ranked at the time. Us three went up againts meic(champ) , alz(minnie) , and leo (Lm). Was a good fight but at the end leo could out heal my dps on the champ then lol. Now imgaine how things have changed if we tried to do the same fight same ppl (Dreams). Just be a face roll, but thanks on bringing back some old time memories!!

/honestly that sounds like a faceroll on that freep group if it happened these days.

All I can say is everything was like this before, and the balance was probably worse back then. Yet creeps still won about 14/15 fights that day. Wierd eh?

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

/honestly that sounds like a faceroll on that freep group if it happened these days.

All I can say is everything was like this before, and the balance was probably worse back then. Yet creeps still won about 14/15 fights that day. Wierd eh?

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Considering I am more successful than 90% ish of them... I think they should listen to me. I've been around since SoA, and I've been doing 1v1's and small group fights in mmo's for like 10 years. I know what I'm talking about

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

Considering I am more successful than 90% ish of them... I think they should listen to me. I've been around since SoA, and I've been doing 1v1's and small group fights in mmo's for like 10 years. I know what I'm talking about

just sayin, theres quite a few of us that have been around since SoA.

Originally Posted by 0987654321

just sayin, theres quite a few of us that have been around since SoA.

Obviously noone else has a clue!

Originally Posted by kira_is_back

Considering I am more successful than 90% ish of them... I think they should listen to me. I've been around since SoA, and I've been doing 1v1's and small group fights in mmo's for like 10 years. I know what I'm talking about

Ahh.. yes. The "I'm better than you so you should listen to me" response. I'm really confused, because you seem to think that creeps have no disadvantage whatsoever. I've been playing this MMO for less than a year, and even I know that.

P.S You have semi semi retired yet your still here in the game organising a to-be-zerged tournament?

Don't compare vilya to brandywine even the worst freeps on brandywine are better then the ones on vilya. Creeps lose 12v24 so they will lose 6v6 this is just a farm fest for freeps so hey you guys can do it but hey what do I know. Oh well

Lawl don't listen to Kira. He likes to make up a lot of things, I remember his 2v2 vs Holy and Onada on vilya, they both finished at full morale.

Incorrect statement Muz, Vilya had/has some of the best freeps I've ever seen, far better than you or most of Resistance. Forged by Fire and Iron Rangers had some spectacular players that just make you look bad.

Originally Posted by Warleadersneedlove

Incorrect statement Muz, Vilya had/has some of the best freeps I've ever seen, far better than you or most of Resistance. Forged by Fire and Iron Rangers had some spectacular players that just make you look bad.

Vilyan Pride. A passive skill shared by all Vilyans.