Thread: Petition for Stealth level evades tracking

So I am aware that there are now tons of easy ways to track right now and its just so hard for us to even pve without getting tracked! We need a way around it. Not only us but wargs.... Ive been tracked playing freep and creep 5 times in a row previously.... no joke... There should be evasions of tracking or more realistic tracking like a trail or something.
For instance if i track and 3 names pop up you pick a trail to follow and once ur in the general area it shows them in stealth.
Really anything track evasion both sides new tracking styles I just hate having to stay in ta or ec waiting to stop being tracked....Its dumb Please sign on with me. the cause will be for our sake. The sake of burgs in the moors!

I'll sign this, for both sides but it will make little to no difference.

W/TB sell the trackers in store, people buy them, WB/T make money on them, people won't buy the trackers of they have a chance to fail, WB/T make less money.

Still ./signed tho.

I have 2 ideas if you read near the end. They can also make it so the turbine store ones have much higher chance to track.

Originally Posted by RunKeep3r

I have 2 ideas if you read near the end. They can also make it so the turbine store ones have much higher chance to track.

That made me chuckle They would as well, nice track-record of modding the game and convincing players to pay for previous parity.

Originally Posted by Theorick

That made me chuckle They would as well, nice track-record of modding the game and convincing players to pay for previous parity.

Bussines is bussines! :P idc if turbine does that stuff It goes to there developers ceos workers and some to improve the game. BUT MORE PEOPLE SIGN THIS!! Post it in your blogs on youtube lotro facebook anywhere we need to be heard!

Originally Posted by RunKeep3r

Bussines is bussines! :P idc if turbine does that stuff It goes to there developers ceos workers and some to improve the game. BUT MORE PEOPLE SIGN THIS!! Post it in your blogs on youtube lotro facebook anywhere we need to be heard!

/sign_with_modification

let stealth level modify track range / track evade / or similar. what the point of having +stealth if u r 100% tracked in full distance.

/signed

Very signed..

Originally Posted by Meghan "Patience" Jenks, Senior Community Manager Turbine, Inc. in 2010

The LOTRO Store will offer convenience, not advantage.

Originally Posted by lutemaster

/signed

Very signed..

Patience left a long time ago and Turbine broke their word a long time ago too.

Without tracking the stealth classes would roam free, but I do agree... I really dislike getting raid tracked as it just takes the fun away from being a stealth class.

After being tracked once you should gain a 30second immunity to all tracks, this would be a positive change for both sides.

Don't get me wrong. There are times when I hate tracks too and I've often gotten spam tracked. However, I think decreasing the track usefulness would be a sad thing. For me nothing beats the fun when trying to avoid a group warg-hunting with trackers. It's great fun when you have 3+ hunters all chasing you and actually manage to get out .
Of course most of the time I end up getting caught, but those rare victories where I get away are some I wouldn't want to trade away and decreasing track usefulness would ruin those victories for me at least

At least you see them (freeps) coming, not so hobbit burg...

/signed

Ideas like stealth lvl modify tracking range or chance to evade tracks would both help out though i'm sure they'd make much less of a difference on higher pop servers.

Another idea would be to alter/limit the tracking mechanic. Of all the aspects in the moors, tracking is the one thing I'd personally like to see mirrored. Give the hunter and blackarrow the track skills. Same mods to what can be tracked in the form of a trait (ex. heightened senses). Both would be able to track all range of classes.

The biggest change would be the removal of individual name tracking. When the track skill is used, have it show all names within tracking range as well as distance and direction. Let that be the limit of tracking period. This would keep the skill useful since the tracker would get general info like names(all one tribe/kin)...distance(if 6 names are the same distance they're working together or grouped)...and direction(12 names show up, 6 are nature/man etc. all SW at 50m). The tracks would still help locate things like tribe/kin groups as well as warg or burg packs.

Remove all other forms of tracking...talismans...store tracks. Won't happen, anybody who knows anything knows that...but imo it would make the moors more fun for both sides whether a stealth class or not.

EDIT - One last thing would be removing the tracking notification completely. So while individual names/people couldn't be tracked then targeted...any groups or stealth packs would see no ''you feel as though you're being followed'' message.

An easy temporary fix would be to give freepside non-store tracking talismans like they have creepside. Maybe shift around which race can track which so it's not the same back and forth tracking. Not a long-term solution but it would go a long way.

Im not even saying sign with my ideas but ANYTHING fixed would be amazing! please help spread this around. post it on ur blogs and make your own articles in suggestions forum warg forum any forum to fix this!

Stealth is overpowered, I like tracking as a means of countering stealth classes but not as a store purchase. If one class on each side has a means of countering stealthed enemies that seems fair. I suspect creep side race trackers are creepside only due to greater freep speed.

/sign
This will make stealth level in general more useful for all classes.

Im not even saying just 4 burgs... anyways they nerfed the burgs too im a warg getting 77% increased damage at rank 5... against a burg... The finnese man crazy we cant evade at all even worse wargs play lots in packs! thats from experiance!

Originally Posted by Idiotvillage

Stealth is overpowered, I like tracking as a means of countering stealth classes but not as a store purchase. If one class on each side has a means of countering stealthed enemies that seems fair. I suspect creep side race trackers are creepside only due to greater freep speed.

This. I know it can't happen because of T** S**** but I would rather have Hunters/BAs as the respective tracking classes, one class Creepsde that can give a Detect boost similar to LMs with Burgs and Wargs having their own little Detection bonus.

The ability to track or aid tracking from a class skill isn't the issue, it's the availability of S**** items that is.

+1 Stealth = -1m tracking Range would be ok

therefore: /sign

/signed.

Tracking is a bit ridiculous these days.

Just for the sake of burgs.

./signed

Thanks for your support! also i think again its not JUST for burgs i mean just stealth level in general effecting tracking in a manner

Stealth can definitely be overpowered depending on who or how many are using it. It's a rough mechanic to balance into any mmo imo. If tracking individual names was removed, yet it could still be used to judge position of packs/groups...I think it would still be effective at keeping stealthers in check. Especially if they removed the track message from your logs.

If they reworked tracking to be a BA/Hunter skill only they should also rework atleast 1 skill for every class to use as a non targetable aoe. Hate to mention another game here but in SWTOR every class including stealth capable ones had some form of ground target aoe on a short cd, low energy cost to compensate for not having any form of stealth tracking. Think a warg/burg pack is near...drop your ground target aoe that has an 8-10m radius and try to pop them out. More then one person using this skill trying to detect stealth would keep that pack on their toes to say the least. As a stealther, having to constantly be on the move and avoid those skills would add more ''strategy'' to fighting in moors.

I went off topic suggesting skill changes elsewhere but my purpose was to state that stealth can be an overpowered mechanic and removing/reworking tracking might necessitate change elsewhere to balance it.

Originally Posted by Laforza

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If they reworked tracking to be a BA/Hunter skill only they should also rework at least 1 skill for every class to use as a non targetable aoe... Think a warg/burg pack is near...drop your ground target aoe that has an 8-10m radius and try to pop them out. More then one person using this skill trying to detect stealth would keep that pack on their toes to say the least. As a stealther, having to constantly be on the move and avoid those skills would add more ''strategy'' to fighting in moors....

I like the idea. Brings back a requirement to trait stealth level to lessen the chance of being 'sensed' and gives all classes a tactic to bounce stealth classes.

Stealth is tricky to manage and I'd not want to see it become the game-killer it has become in the past, it does need a way for classes to counter it, but T** S**** has gone beyond that and nullified it.

Yeah...not holding out much hope, but /signed.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...11#post5792111

On a related note, I made this thread a couple of months before I followed my other two burglar buddies to a different game (I pop in occasionally to crit jewelery when I get a request on our kin website, and read the forums occasionally). Stealth is our signature ability, and it's worth doodlie squat these days.

Had a great run, though.

you are right there is a balance. And the fact that I and other burgs stoped playing since U6 must have had an impact on their tracker tome sales.

yes the random chance at fail would prevent me from buying a store tome. But if the range of track was reduced by stealth level I would still buy and if it was small enough I would play my burg once more.


So what is the balance 10m? 20m? 40M?

if they stand sill and I move away i should evade their track by distance

if they move in one direction and I in another I should evade their track by distance

If they move in the general direction I do the track should work.


Let this be the new law and take away tracking skills from the warg and give it to the BA.

I don't have a problem with creeps having tracks, I do however have a problem with a stealth class being able to track. It gives wargs an unnecessary advantage.

Just give Burglars a skill or consumable called Decoy when they get track or for PvE purposes if you get noticed use the decoy to avoid detection and get away. For wargs make Marked Area just like wolves or dogs do once the hunter gets close to where the warg was the trail will become all mixed up and he/she will lose it.

A temporary track evade skill could almost work like improved stealth skills do in other mmos. Meaning you're given a temporary boost to stealth lvl and cannot be seen for approx. 8sec usually. In this case it could provide tracking immunity for a short time with maybe a 1min cd. Make it last maybe 10sec so it would need to be used strategically while still leaving you plenty vulnerable for the remainder of the cd.

Both stealth classes in moors should not have the same type of skill. If they keep sense prey on wargs then give burgs a track breaking skill. Tracking specific people shouldn't be a mechanic of any game imo...nor should the ability to track stealth while stealthed with zero vulnerability. Make all classes more stealth detect capable with either traits or by altering how easy it is to spot stealth. This counters the removal/reworking of tracking. I'm being redundant with some of what I type because I think these points are at the core of the issue.

LOL I read all these posts waiting to see the "burgs and wargs don't need stealth" reply. I'm sure it will come soon enough.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

LOL I read all these posts waiting to see the "burgs and wargs don't need stealth" reply. I'm sure it will come soon enough.

Lol yeah two-pages in and it still hasn't come

Originally Posted by Theorick

Lol yeah two-pages in and it still hasn't come

stealth is the only thing good about us! How sneaky we run at you solo like a champ and try to sneak behind them to hit...

Hey guys,

I agree with this to.

I had an idea a while back regarding another clicky to be introduced that counters tracking

At the time I called it scent breaker and basically when you saw the "you feel as though your been followed message" you clicked it to remove your self from tracking.

It would have the same mechanic as other trollshaw items such as cd been adjusted by rank etc.

It wasnt well received but thought id mention it again as this seems appropriate

There is no way this is not going to sound snarky, but I promise I don't really mean it that way:

Originally Posted by Craigsjourney

Hey guys,

I agree with this to.

I had an idea a while back regarding another clicky to be introduced that counters tracking

At the time I called it scent breaker and basically when you saw the "you feel as though your been followed message" you clicked it to remove your self from tracking.

It would have the same mechanic as other trollshaw items such as cd been adjusted by rank etc.

It wasnt well received but thought id mention it again as this seems appropriate

...if you're talking about something available in Lord Store, we could just declare the winner based on whoever has the largest limit on their credit card, is willing to blow the largest amount of cash, and can click on Lord Store the mostest fasterests...

Now, I do hope they do something about the ridiculous state of being tracked. I would love to come back to Lotro and play my burg again. Putting in purchase-able counters to game breaking purchase-able items though...not so much for me, personally.

If you're suggesting something outside of the store, can you imagine the howls (wargs, right, hyuk, hyuk!) at having their $0.25 purchases negated by an in game counter?! Oh-mah-gorsh, the gnashing of teeth (I'm here all night, folks) that would ensue!

Dont worry ive already had the screaming wargs at my door

The item would be an ingame item not store purchase, the same way freeps AND creeps can purchase stun immumity and track items

If people are going to QQ because there easy mode isnt working any more then good pvp isnt meant to be easy

and again dont forget that the CD of said item is based on rank so been able to drop tracking once every 50 mins wont be game changing but will buy you time to get the hell out of dodge before 100 wargs decend upon you

If people want to buy from the store then fine but giving someone a major advantage over an entire class for $0.25 purchase is just silly

I meant that track break skill to be an actual skill acquired/used by burgs. The purpose mainly being to counter wargs sense prey skill (previously a r10 req. skill? that just happens to be purchaseable in the store now). Even if the burgs skill only countered tracks from sense prey and not trackers...a stealth class should not be able to track stealth from stealth.

Originally Posted by Hydo5

After being tracked once you should gain a 30second immunity to all tracks, this would be a positive change for both sides.

This^^^ that is a great idea. Maybe only 15-20 seconds but it would stop the spam tracking. Let alone the fact that we are supposed to be untrackable for 10 seconds in Hips YEAH RIGHT....

Originally Posted by Glimlioin

This^^^ that is a great idea. Maybe only 15-20 seconds but it would stop the spam tracking. Let alone the fact that we are supposed to be untrackable for 10 seconds in Hips YEAH RIGHT....

They need a way to stop spam tracking....
A story for all my friends and families!
Once upon a time there was a little warg named Clakbash. He was small but fierce, he could be very good at getting away from his allies, or be downright crazy! This day he could not get anything to work. He sat perched alone in Tol Ascarnen waiting to make an offensive. Hunters Roam the lands around this place called TA. Clakbash sat next to the tyrant to find himself being tracked Thirteen times Within 5 minutes. Finally the free peoples left Tol Ascarnen but still they tracked away at poor Clakbash the warg. They say to this very day Clak has had problems with hunters...
That was my sad sad true tale about spamtrack....

Signed!
Sounds like a must!

Do it! Come on Clak 13 times in 5mins is only the warmup period. Wait and see what it's like once freeps on Nim finally reach the breaking point and all buy store trackalls...exactly the result the WB is looking for.

Not saying it isn't rough on creep as it can easily be just as bad. Gonna get worse before it gets better unfortunately.