Like every other human in the world I too can be a hypocrite. I am going to break one of my personal rules for Lotro PvP I am going to begin to freep and creep on the same server. Mainly because I don’t want to spend the TP to transfer anyone, I deleted some creeps I had on other servers all I have is my warg on ridder now.
After lagging badly last week I decided to reinvest time into my freep toons. I can’t do all of them in PvP I just don’t have the time but I’ve cleaned up what I had on other servers, still a few freep toons here and there but ridder is my primary, vip runs out in august so Ill freep more until that happens, spend the TP then for the warg. So quick back round on the toons:
1.75 RK: Need +2 in virtues but overall this is the most “moors ready” freep I have on this server. Full lightening trait, decent gear and I have a decent understanding about how to play him (although it’s been months since I’ve invested a lot into him). Highest level jeweler, currently crafting the river set. (this toon is R3 only brought him to the moors a few times). I can see this toon being decent in 1V1 as now his morale is 8k and ready to roll. RK is fun but I played one non stop for a long time and burned out hard on it.
2.74 guard: His virtues are a mess and he has been built primarily to increase morale. This was a distraction toon, I played him for a few weeks, put him down etc. Defensive shield barer, I’ve never really run him in OP and don’t desire too. Need to invest time into lvl 75 LI’s as well. Im comfortable with the guard and I know how to build it to make him a joke really (hi fluffynoogins), 15k morale, audacity and mits would make him fairly entertaining, for a few minutes near the EC Zerg.
3.71 hunter: I started him a long time ago, really he has been a mule for me. However over the last 3 weeks I’ve reinvented him and am having a lot of fun playing this toon. His virtues are solid PvP build (tact mitigations, zeal/honour) and it would be easy to bring those up to 14. This toon will be 75 in a week or so and will have decent gear. So far this is my personal choice, I like the ability to solo and I think the hunter provides an adequate challenge. I need to improve mouse turning and generally solo situations (on all my toons).
Only one of these toons can come to the moors, I don’t have the time to level multiple toons and my LM on laurelin is just for fun (those 4 are the only ones near 75). I’ll always keep guthmak my warg. wargs are fun but I’m finding the warg to be less and less challenging and with limited gaming time/VIP sub running out I want to freep a little before It goes (or I resub, doubtful). So if you were starting over which freep class (of the 3 above) would you bring to the moors and why? Knowing that the other 2 would likely be shelved for months. I’ve got 10k commies banked so out of the gate they’ll get R3 audacity.
Comments/advice welcome from any and all, what would you like to see more of.
P.S. looking for a new kin as well (might have one place to go) end game raids and PvP, but the warg is a soloist you don’t get him in the package.
Like every other human in the world I too can be a hypocrite. I am going to break one of my personal rules for Lotro PvP I am going to begin to freep and creep on the same server. Mainly because I don’t want to spend the TP to transfer anyone, I deleted some creeps I had on other servers all I have is my warg on ridder now.
Just curious, but why have this rule? Never understood why people, either the players themselves or someone else, makes such an issue of this. Just surprised you have the rule, since you always seem to relish the rivalry, QQ, drama, trolling opportunities, etc. based on your posts. For the record, just so I'm not misunderstood, I'm not saying that as as though it's a bad thing. I always enjoy your posts (other than the red text).
I mean, I know the arguments people have against it "conflict of interest" or "spying" or whatever ridiculousness, but really, it's all the same. It's just PvP. Most of the people on Ridder (these days especially) have toons on both sides they play. Seems to me the problem with playing both sides isn't an issue for the person playing both sides, but for those that take the game too seriously and get upset when they die, especially at the hands of a "friend". Honestly, if someone takes the game that seriously that dying in a video game ruins a friendship, forces them to alienate someone and not work together when they are on the same side again, they have bigger issues in life that need to be corrected. My god, if I hated everyone who killed, ganked, zerged, etc. me, I'd rage at and hate every single person in game on both sides.
Personally, I think it's more fun fighting my friends and freely talking smack at/about each other anyway.
Originally Posted by Thorgrum
75 RK:
74 guard:
71 hunter:
Back on track...
Based on how you described them, seems you mentioned hunter as being the most fun currently... it's how it read to me anyway. I always say do whatever is the most fun for you. Really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or what might be "needed" imo. Plus, in the past, it's always been a rare thing to see a beastly soloing hunter running around. In the past, 9 times out of 10, they were always in or at least near a group or just hiding in the back/NPCs/2nd floor of a keep. There's a few good/psychotic soloing hunters, but would be fun to see more for no other reason than I always appreciate seeing anyone soloing like a boss, especially on a rarer class. It's always fun just to watch.
When I first started LOTRO I didn’t post much and didn’t engage the community at all. I got zerged a few times on an old creep and bitched to a freep kin mate about it who in turn relayed my complaint to the zerger’s. This led to a period of annoying IM’s and in kin drama, rage deleted toons… it was for me, an epiphanous moment. It was then I decided to unleash the old sgt and be a bigger D-bag then those being a D-bag to me.
I haven’t looked back since and don’t consider anyone in lotro a friend, I consider them a source of entertainment. I endeavor to be one to others as well and so the relationships remain mutually beneficial. It was within this period where I took things to seriously I made this personal play rule, it served me well. I’m past it now and not above citing that I was wrong.
The red text was in response to Yula the mighty, she requested I change my text because she couldn’t read it as posted. (I edit things in word prior to posting). The hunter is fun to play in the PvE world, I think it would be challenging in the moors and I personally hold Dump in the highest regard in terms of freep players. (Still Dracko rules them all).
I haven’t looked back since and don’t consider anyone in lotro a friend, I consider them a source of entertainment. I endeavor to be one to others as well and so the relationships remain mutually beneficial. It was within this period where I took things to seriously I made this personal play rule, it served me well. I’m past it now and not above citing that I was wrong.
Understandable. I consider most people in game "friends" or at least people I like/respect until they show their true colours. Raging, talking smack, griefing, taking things too seriously, hypocrisy. At that point, that person is obviously just not worth my time. Kill me, zerg me, gank me, but don't start crying when the favour is returned.
Originally Posted by Thorgrum
The hunter is fun to play in the PvE world, I think it would be challenging in the moors and I personally hold Dump in the highest regard in terms of freep players. (Still Dracko rules them all).
Of all the classes, to me, hunter seems to be the most challenging because it doesn't have the luxury of endless kiting all over the Moors like everyone else and it doesn't have the luxury of 20 different "escape" and "I win" buttons. Unless you're a hobbit for the flop to DF every 30min. It doesn't fit into the mould of the typical ezmoding class when it comes to PvP. So if you are looking for a challenge, it seems a good way to go. Though, I'd imagine a sword and board Guard with a boatload of morale would be amusing. Charging into anything and laughing as they desperately try to take you down, while ignoring the squishy classes that are healing you. Many creeps are dumb like that as you know. Actually so are freeps. Hell, PvPers in any game are often like this.
LBF will always have a special place in my heart no matter what toon, what side or even if he turns into a little raidbaby. Ok, maybe not that last part, but still he's awesome.
And yes, Dracko > all. I wish everyone would take a page out of his personal PvP book. They should put a picture of Dracko in the tooltip for Last Stand so people know how to use the skill.
Personally I'd pick guard as you won't die as easily when you get zerged while trying to solo.
Why prolong in the inevitable? Wouldn't it be better to end it quick, like ripping a band-aid off quickly as opposed to the slow pull?
Too bad Dracko isn't a class, I'd say play that one to avoid the zerg. Always hilarious to watch him charge into a zergball or OC alone and all the creeps hesitate and just stand there wondering whether or not it's ok to kill him.
I'd go with Rk, fun to 1v1 with. Also solo is pretty easy with update 6, can have a morale build and still hit high once you learn all the buffs with each skill. (Which is also pretty fun) And since they buffed the healing you could also lean that way when it come's to Pve.
Also have good rk's on Ridder that could help you out, I know I'm glad I chose this server to rank on.
But if you enjoy you're hunter the most then it's not a very hard decision.
It sounds like you would probably have the most fun on your hunter. For me, what stands out are KBs and big hits. You are also going to send creeps to half morale with a single volly of Improved Swift Bow. They melt faces with the nonstop barrage of criticals.
On the other hand, keep in mind wargs are going to pack together and kill you before the dismount smoke disappears as you ride back from the rez. It's inevitable. If you hate to die, do not play hunter. Pick your guard. If you just shrug and laugh at your monitor when you die, then go for it man.
Personally I'd pick guard as you won't die as easily when you get zerged while trying to solo.
We have a couple of decent guards on ridder but each one of them are in OP stance. Ive only ever sword and boarded with that guy. I cant imagine what it would be like having a 15k guard with r7 audacity, good mit virtues and defensive stance.
I imagine id be able to run from HH to EC with a trail of wargs on me, not killing one of them because I my highest crit comes from "let fly". Might be fun for 1v1's though.
I'd go with Rk, fun to 1v1 with. Also solo is pretty easy with update 6, can have a morale build and still hit high once you learn all the buffs with each skill. (Which is also pretty fun) And since they buffed the healing you could also lean that way when it come's to Pve.
Also have good rk's on Ridder that could help you out, I know I'm glad I chose this server to rank on.
But if you enjoy you're hunter the most then it's not a very hard decision.
Carli is a superior RK, however you I found alone all the time. I'll be honest, I dont think I have enough skill to solo my RK, got some inlays and enamels laying around though and the new steady hands gets us a full bar when we need it so it wouldnt be to bad. To bad you left ridder, you were right up there with dracko in terms of creep respect.
Plus id be following synapse around the whole time on my RK, she's electric.
It sounds like you would probably have the most fun on your hunter. For me, what stands out are KBs and big hits. You are also going to send creeps to half morale with a single volly of Improved Swift Bow. They melt faces with the nonstop barrage of criticals.
On the other hand, keep in mind wargs are going to pack together and kill you before the dismount smoke disappears as you ride back from the rez. It's inevitable. If you hate to die, do not play hunter. Pick your guard. If you just shrug and laugh at your monitor when you die, then go for it man.
Guthmak is my R7 warg, I know about dying and I also know the wargs on ridder. We dont have a lot of packs really considering how many people are out. I think a hunter can fair alright if he things like a warg in terms of where he hunts. The problem I have with the hunter is, given its lack of survival tools its really the luck of the crit...
Thanks for the input thus far, I like all 3 toons but just have limited time to play them. Its always good to get outside feedback particularly from the people whom you will be playing with/against.
I would personally go guardian, simply because you won't be squishy which mean you're not the primary target. Hunters are hard to play in the Moors, especially as a solo'er (like a burglar without the HiPs when you're on survival mode) It's fun to hunt down, but you can do it on your warg so..
As a person who has only creeped on Riddermark I'd say roll with the hunter, but that is mostly because I would rather see a hunter than a sword and board guard or another RK.
Why not a sword and board guard? I'd imagine that most creeps would ignore you. You aren't going to be doing a lot of damage and it would take a full raid to kill you lol. It's like seeing a warden with lots of green numbers above their head, creeps will just leave you alone.
Why not an RK? I've seen oh so many of them recently. They feel largely easy-mode to me (mine is 49 so I have some experience but not much) and I'm tired of silly Epic Conclusions taking away 3/4 of my moral.
Why hunter? Seeing a solo hunter is much more impressive. If you are enjoying him right now and want a little challenge then go for it. I have much more respect for a beastly hunter than a button smashing RK and I feel it would be much more enjoyable being a Legolas figure out there killing orcs than a... uhh... well I don't associate much lore with the RK lol.
As a person who has only creeped on Riddermark I'd say roll with the hunter, but that is mostly because I would rather see a hunter than a sword and board guard or another RK.
Why not a sword and board guard? I'd imagine that most creeps would ignore you. You aren't going to be doing a lot of damage and it would take a full raid to kill you lol. It's like seeing a warden with lots of green numbers above their head, creeps will just leave you alone.
Why not an RK? I've seen oh so many of them recently. They feel largely easy-mode to me (mine is 49 so I have some experience but not much) and I'm tired of silly Epic Conclusions taking away 3/4 of my moral.
Why hunter? Seeing a solo hunter is much more impressive. If you are enjoying him right now and want a little challenge then go for it. I have much more respect for a beastly hunter than a button smashing RK and I feel it would be much more enjoyable being a Legolas figure out there killing orcs than a... uhh... well I don't associate much lore with the RK lol.
For what it's worth, I like this response. Similar to what I think, but stated much better. +rep
Couldn't agree more on the RK point.
Only problem with the sword and board, if you like 1v1s, good luck getting many creeps to agree to a fight.
As a hunter, they will pretty much all swarm to you to 1v1 thinking you are easy pickins, but if you become beastly on it, it will be oh so satisfying watching as their jaws drop when you destroy them instead.
As a person who has only creeped on Riddermark I'd say roll with the hunter, but that is mostly because I would rather see a hunter than a sword and board guard or another RK.
Why not a sword and board guard? I'd imagine that most creeps would ignore you. You aren't going to be doing a lot of damage and it would take a full raid to kill you lol. It's like seeing a warden with lots of green numbers above their head, creeps will just leave you alone.
Why not an RK? I've seen oh so many of them recently. They feel largely easy-mode to me (mine is 49 so I have some experience but not much) and I'm tired of silly Epic Conclusions taking away 3/4 of my moral.
Why hunter? Seeing a solo hunter is much more impressive. If you are enjoying him right now and want a little challenge then go for it. I have much more respect for a beastly hunter than a button smashing RK and I feel it would be much more enjoyable being a Legolas figure out there killing orcs than a... uhh... well I don't associate much lore with the RK lol.
To be honest its really about the challenge. Im pretty bored with Lotro and desire to squeeze out a bit more from my VIP before it expires. I genuinely like the creepside the people there have been pretty awesome and overall I find those that play dedicated creeps represent the type of play I like to emulate (except for earl). Id rather get caught in the field and 1v1 someone to really improve instead of the organized 1v1 circles, just feels unnatural.
Karine has a point the guard would be pretty dam unique and I dont think we have a sword and board guard on ridder. I dont recall ever seeing one. Ive had my RK out a few times, decent in a 1v1 but it takes practice to handle more then one creep (at least for me) or have a dedicated healer which I dont have.
My sub runs out in august, I did the 1 year for 99 bucks. So this is an opportunity to invest some time in freepside see what I can do. I dont plan to resub, but never say never
Wasnt expecting the guard love. Any other guards out there running sword and board? I dont run in OP, never have this guy is built as a tank. Id be interested to see how improved guard defence works in the moors, because it snares enemies who dont attack the guard, same effect for improved challenge.
I dont recall seeing this used on ridder. Any guards want to share thoughts on it in terms of applicability and if you used it ?
I don't see many guards run s/b in the moors mostly because everyone is all about dps numbers and crits and being the hero. I think if you are genuinely wanting to run as a tank build you would do well in groups. I haven't been on this server long, but haven't really seen many rvr or organised groups other than for taking keeps. Would be nice to see more guards shieldwalling minis who are healing groups. Would be nice to see organised groups fighting other organised groups too :s
Watch Rambo. He's pretty beast in S&B and rarely seems to take any damage, plus lately he's learned how to SW which is extremely frustrating for creeps :P
However, being an OP guard, I'd probably say out of the 3 freeps you have, go with a hunter and use different hunter tactics like: duoing with another hunter and stand 20-30m from each other in camo while waiting for an unsuspecting creep to walk in between, or if you're solo, stand on a rock and blow someone up before they even know what's happening.
Trust me, playing a hunter well doesn't just mean winning 1v1's like LBF, but also incorporating a "Hunter's" playstyle using all their skills (camo, traps, etc) and unique ambushing locations.
My point is, a hunter is better suited for long range ambushes than any class, freep or creep. It was one of my favourite classes for 2 years before I got bored with it. Gryawen is someone to watch, he's always popping out of camo in the weirdest places and scares the bejeezus out of me every time.
If you want a challenge, a hunter is it.
Last edited by RGilthanas; Apr 03 2012 at 10:17 AM.
Watch Rambo. He's pretty beast and rarely seems to take any damage, plus lately he's learned how to SW which is extremely frustrating for creeps :P
However, being an OP guard, I'd probably say out of the 3 freeps you have, go with a hunter and use different hunter tactics like: duoing with another hunter and stand 20-30m from each other in camo while waiting for an unsuspecting creep to walk in between, or if you're solo, stand on a rock and blow someone up before they even know what's happening.
Trust me, playing a hunter well doesn't just mean winning 1v1's like LBF, but also incorporating a "Hunter's" playstyle using all their skills (camo, traps, etc) and unique ambushing locations.
My point is, a hunter is better suited for long range ambushes than any class, freep or creep. It was one of my favourite classes for 2 years before I got bored with it. Gryawen is someone to watch, he's always popping out of camo in the weirdest places and scares the bejeezus out of me every time.
If you want a challenge, a hunter is it.
I solo on my warg a lot, stay near the group though for the pick off pounce (you know the drill) I imagine hunter is pretty similar in play style although im always surprised more hunters don’t pack. A pack of hunters could be very formidable indeed.
Regarding the guard, how does the root effect apply from improved challenge Rubi? Have you ever used it? The defensive stance guard would have the potential to have 2 roots, each would have an AOE effect but I haven’t seen it.
RK&Hunter kick ### fun to play but I am worry about dieing too fast. Same for Hunter.
Have you met his warg? Im quite sure dying fast is not a concern of his.
I agree with Rubi. I loved my hunter out here. It was, out of all my toons freep or creep side, my favorite. I died a ton. But, as time went on, I learned how to survive....instead of worrying how to kill. Then I ran solo exclusively...utilizing all the hunters skills as needed. I am quite sure you will like the hunter if a challenge is what you are after. Find a style that fits you....and be the hunter, not the hunted.
Like most classes i guess....u gotta put alot of work into it...ive put alot into my guard (not as much as others coz im still lazy) but yeah....sure we do really well...but until u get some decent gear, you wont do to well imo
we are targets, especially because we are 'meant' to be leading the charge, so creeps may or may not roflstomp us first.
Tought decision really, id say guard. but be prepared to put alot of work into it to get decent damage/health if you wanna be S&B...where RK and hunters, u can put not as much work in and still do lots of damage. atleast so far with what ive seen
Good luck on your choice xD
P.S not sure if improved challenge works that way in moors, ill check for ya
Last edited by Gunerx; Apr 04 2012 at 06:26 PM.
Reason: wouldnt let me type the other name for hunter :(
We'll have a new hunter in the moors this week. Gear is pretty ###### but I dont care it will improve. In the end the deciding factor was the challenge. The guard would have appeared with about 15k morale, sheild and a whole bunch of mits, lucky to crit 500 on dev. Might have been fun for a night or two but meh.
Good stuff man, I was wondering what happened to your decision.
I think you made the right one, only cavet though - prepare to die a lot. You're a priority target, WAY too much dps from 40m, imo. Nothing personal.
Good luck out there.
I’m prepared to die, I play a stalker on creepside. Key for me will be how fast I can upgrade the gear, not that it’s going to help a hunter all that much but I don’t intend on sitting in EC and pew pewing waiting to be pounced. A patient hunter with decent gear can get some nice solo kills. I’m also hopeful to get into some “hunts” the hunter equivalent of warg packs. 3-5 hunters grouped would be fun indeed.
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