Thread: Audacity in the Moors good or bad?

I am of the oppion that audacity is one of the dumbest ideas Turbine/WB has come up with. It has basically made it almost impossible to kill high ranked creeps that have their audacity up to rank 7 and made the moors more of a PVE zone rather than a PvP zone.

Just strictly speaking from my Champions perspective not other classes I will give the numbers for what has happened. The new PvP gear with its ###### stats and horrible set bonuses have cost me 150 might, 100 agility, 2500 physical mastery and almost 2000 crit rating. If a creep has audacity at rank 6 he/she reduces incoming physical, tactical and ranged damage by 25%. So with my nerfed stats which reduce my outgoing damage together with the reduction in damage taken trying to kill a rank 8 or 9 War Leader of Defiler takes 12 freeps an outragious amount of time to kill. In and open field fight with say 12 freeps vs 8 creeps you're lucky if you can get away with a kill on a low level creep after 5 minutes of fighting.

The creeps do not have to worry about losing any stats everything is strictly passive for them so together with upgrades to the wargs and weavers the addition of audicity has done nothing but benifit creep side and made PvP in moors really bad. All that happens out here anymore is keep flipping and greeny creep farming because that is the only thing that can be killed.

Also this is another observation of how stupid it is for low level creeps. If you were new coming over to creep side and making your first creep it takes you 500 infamy to make rank 1 which means you earned 250 commendations so you can't even get your new skills because they cost a 1000 or more commendations each. 7500 commendations just for a new skill.

Thanks for the lag filled ###### audicity update Turbine where I can PvP for 2 hours and get 150 renown of or can go flip keeps PvE'ing for an hour to get 600.

It's about time freeps had to learn some tactics in the moors.. No longer will a mass of unorganized freeps be able to make an impact on a group of organized creeps, nor should they be able to. Group up. Learn to play together. With all of the utilities freeps are given you should be able to overcome the fact that it is no longer just a dps race.

And this is in the wrong forum.

Originally Posted by KingOfBlackarrows

It's about time freeps had to learn some tactics in the moors.. No longer will a mass of unorganized freeps be able to make an impact on a group of organized creeps, nor should they be able to. Group up. Learn to play together. With all of the utilities freeps are given you should be able to overcome the fact that it is no longer just a dps race.

And this is in the wrong forum.

Oh we can we just need to bother to get audacity ourselves then we are back on even terms. Besides Audacity isn't going to magically increase freep interest or even encourage freeps to form organized raids, if it's too difficult to kill creeps most of the freeps will just stop going and farm ToO instead since the rewards are better anyway. It isn't a matter of needing to learn how to play together we do that just fine in PVE it's that most of the hardcore PVP players are sitting on thier warg with a half dozen mates waiting to ambush anyone stupid enough to come out solo then corpse jump and use whatever the piss emote is, then switch over to freep and calling me a noob for not being able to take 6 to 1 odds.

Sorry about the last part but it really annoyed me.

Before audacity, new creeps and freeps would enter the moors, get their butts kicked, and hopefully stick around a while long enough to learn a few things.

With audacity, new creeps and freeps enter the moors, get their butts kicked, get their butts kicked again, and get their butts kicked again. Then they rank up a little bit and get their butts kicked again.

It's astounding to me that turbine sold this as "giving new players an advantage" where it's just the opposite. The high ranks, and the raid easymoders will get stronger, and the low ranks and solo'ers get the shaft.

Freep vs creep aside, this is a way for turbine to introduce a fair grind on both sides and to prevent zerging, however i've never seen the moors more zerg-happy since i started @ lvl 65.

Unfortunately, due to the fact that you can grind commendations out via pve, you can share commendations between your creep/freep, and the 'flip' timer has been removed... there's more of an incentive to poop out r0 creeps over and over again to get gear or audacity for your toons via quests or flip over and raid for keep flips.

I believe they should revert to the old creep/freep flip cd ~30 mins and limit commendations to the faction you farmed them on... no sharing between your creep/freep.

Sad thing is, if people would PvP more it would actually be easier to get comms from PvP than PvE. In one of the few good hours of PvP since update I got nearly 2k comms, a huge number for that time if spent on PvE.

Originally Posted by Smugo

Sad thing is, if people would PvP more it would actually be easier to get comms from PvP than PvE. In one of the few good hours of PvP since update I got nearly 2k comms, a huge number for that time if spent on PvE.

I'm not sure how I feel about Audacity but this is definitely true. Both sides repeatedly flipping the keeps/Questing is robbing the server of good PvMP. You usually have a big freep raid that runs over the few creeps around, flips all the keeps, and logs off. I can't say for the creeps because I play mostly during creep off hours, but I assume when we flip the keeps there are few or no freeps on. These changes were designed to encourage PvMP, yet all they've done is encouraged players to PvE. All joking and bias aside, it's hard to fault the player base for taking the path to 600 infamy/comms versus fighting for a total of 80 infamy and 40 commendations.

It would be fun to get the large freep/creep raids on at the same time to fight it out. Hopefully those days are coming back soon.

Originally Posted by rodnicker

I am of the oppion that audacity is one of the dumbest ideas Turbine/WB has come up with. It has basically made it almost impossible to kill high ranked creeps that have their audacity up to rank 7 and made the moors more of a PVE zone rather than a PvP zone.

Just strictly speaking from my Champions perspective not other classes I will give the numbers for what has happened. The new PvP gear with its ###### stats and horrible set bonuses have cost me 150 might, 100 agility, 2500 physical mastery and almost 2000 crit rating. If a creep has audacity at rank 6 he/she reduces incoming physical, tactical and ranged damage by 25%. So with my nerfed stats which reduce my outgoing damage together with the reduction in damage taken trying to kill a rank 8 or 9 War Leader of Defiler takes 12 freeps an outragious amount of time to kill. In and open field fight with say 12 freeps vs 8 creeps you're lucky if you can get away with a kill on a low level creep after 5 minutes of fighting.

The creeps do not have to worry about losing any stats everything is strictly passive for them so together with upgrades to the wargs and weavers the addition of audicity has done nothing but benifit creep side and made PvP in moors really bad. All that happens out here anymore is keep flipping and greeny creep farming because that is the only thing that can be killed.

Also this is another observation of how stupid it is for low level creeps. If you were new coming over to creep side and making your first creep it takes you 500 infamy to make rank 1 which means you earned 250 commendations so you can't even get your new skills because they cost a 1000 or more commendations each. 7500 commendations just for a new skill.

Thanks for the lag filled ###### audicity update Turbine where I can PvP for 2 hours and get 150 renown of or can go flip keeps PvE'ing for an hour to get 600.

Not a fan of it and the cosmetics, wow, I love looking like a Japanese gardener without the helmet or a ninja with.

Originally Posted by KingOfBlackarrows

It's about time freeps had to learn some tactics in the moors.. No longer will a mass of unorganized freeps be able to make an impact on a group of organized creeps, nor should they be able to. Group up. Learn to play together. With all of the utilities freeps are given you should be able to overcome the fact that it is no longer just a dps race.

And this is in the wrong forum.

It's still just a DPS race, ask the creeps on BW about the freeps who do group up and have audacity and freeps ALWAYS have the advantage for group DPS against equal #s, the only thing failing is a failure to FF.

Originally Posted by rodnicker

I am of the oppion that audacity is one of the dumbest ideas Turbine/WB has come up with. It has basically made it almost impossible to kill high ranked creeps that have their audacity up to rank 7 and made the moors more of a PVE zone rather than a PvP zone.

Just strictly speaking from my Champions perspective not other classes I will give the numbers for what has happened. The new PvP gear with its ###### stats and horrible set bonuses have cost me 150 might, 100 agility, 2500 physical mastery and almost 2000 crit rating. If a creep has audacity at rank 6 he/she reduces incoming physical, tactical and ranged damage by 25%. So with my nerfed stats which reduce my outgoing damage together with the reduction in damage taken trying to kill a rank 8 or 9 War Leader of Defiler takes 12 freeps an outragious amount of time to kill. In and open field fight with say 12 freeps vs 8 creeps you're lucky if you can get away with a kill on a low level creep after 5 minutes of fighting.

The creeps do not have to worry about losing any stats everything is strictly passive for them so together with upgrades to the wargs and weavers the addition of audicity has done nothing but benifit creep side and made PvP in moors really bad. All that happens out here anymore is keep flipping and greeny creep farming because that is the only thing that can be killed.

Also this is another observation of how stupid it is for low level creeps. If you were new coming over to creep side and making your first creep it takes you 500 infamy to make rank 1 which means you earned 250 commendations so you can't even get your new skills because they cost a 1000 or more commendations each. 7500 commendations just for a new skill.

Thanks for the lag filled ###### audicity update Turbine where I can PvP for 2 hours and get 150 renown of or can go flip keeps PvE'ing for an hour to get 600.

You are so right about the Moors what is the use, I know of 75 players plus myself who has stop going to the Moors and well
not go any more until they even the battle field.

Originally Posted by Ecedhor

You are so right about the Moors what is the use, I know of 75 players plus myself who has stop going to the Moors and well
not go any more until they even the battle field.

Im a Rank 11 with 7 Audacity creep. And I know of 75 plus good PvP Freeps that kick my a$$ on a regular basis. They seemed to have adapted and improvised pretty well. Get with some of them and get your own audacity up to 7. We are alot easier to kill than it sounds in this thread. I promise.

Originally Posted by jodala

Im a Rank 11 with 7 Audacity creep. And I know of 75 plus good PvP Freeps that kick my a$$ on a regular basis. They seemed to have adapted and improvised pretty well. Get with some of them and get your own audacity up to 7. We are alot easier to kill than it sounds in this thread. I promise.

what he said.....