Thread: Grats Freeps on Epic Fail

So Saturday night rolls around as usual which is Blood Hand night. Always look forward to some (hopefully) good fights in the moors. Sadly it was a repeat of the usual bullarky.

At our highest point we had 15 Creeps in raid, I believe Morgul Blades, whom we were not running around with, had about 10+, along with the usual randoms that accompany groups.

After the usual failed attempts to take TR (I lost count after 3 wipes) the Freeps wound up with 28 on track holed up in EC where they spent easily an hour or more sitting inside doing nothing.

(Sidenote: this is after we spent an hour or more chasing them all over and eventually finding them at plains, which they quickly abandoned in favor of reinforcements vis-a-vis HH NPC's)

Eventually one freep group snuck off to flip Isen, a major feat. Then it was back to the same old staring contest. Later on the freep numbers increased to 30+ and they took Lugs as we retook Isen (out of sheer boredom, we had spent over an hour running around trying to find Brave Sir Belegnost the Beastly Guard who always runs away and his band of motley warriors the Do-Nothing but PVE crew). With their huge numbers and their courage bolstered, not to mention at least 5 mini's in tow, they proceeded to push out from Lugs only to run back inside at the first chance of death.

Then, as is only natural and good, they headed over to TR, which I'm sure they've flipped by now and gained a WHOPPING 100 COMMENDATIONS.

Honestly, I don't know why the majority of you freeps even bother coming out to the moors. There is much more content to be had on the PVE side of the house, which you seem to be unable to detach yourselves from. You claim whenever I come over to Freep OOC that you're out to fight yet that claim holds no weight at all. With a few exceptions the majority of you are quite content to hole up in EC or wherever is convenient and safe and bore the creeps to death.

I've concluded that the PVE-mindset is a disease that has infected the majority of you, not only has it infected you but it's removed your reasoning faculties to such a degree that you can rationalize the flipping of keeps, outposts and EC camping (there is free turbine pts the longer you sit inside there) as actual PvP. Even worse, you're infecting the new players who come out to explore the Moors and never learn what PvP looks like because they just copy what the other freeps are doing.

Would someone please step up and do something besides PvE in the moors? I watch these hilarious videos of Moors fights in the moors and think, "I wish we could do that" but with our current freep population it is an impossibility. Why is it so hard to divorce yourself from the notion that dying is bad and fights are to be avoided unless you have insurmountable odds in your favor?

One pissed-off BA

P.S. Just fought a guard who used his bow nearly the entire fight then ran away when his health got below 5k.

I wasn't around for a good part of this tonight, but when I got out there was around the time the freeps were pushing out from Lugz. So my views on the evening:

Being solo I managed to pick off a handful of points around Lugz (which I expect with those numbers and no personal backup squad) which was nice for a bit, until the group seemed to vanish.

Begin scouting mode. Blow all my map CDs roaming what parts of the map I could (and what was not already being called out in OOC as clear), I finally see the word from Cazper that freeps were at TR. Awesome.

Meander that way cursing my maps to find more freeps than I can count on all four paws, a cleared bottom floor, and creeps dashing in and out trying to get kills. Join party, rubberband-lag almost to death and clean up a few points. Also kill Jimmy a few times out front with other creeps. TR gets flipped, bail and snack on the freeps that follow with the help of Morgul Blades.

Freeps exit stage right. Or whatever direction it ended up being. Blow more map CDs wandering the map, sit in Grams for a couple minutes waiting for CDs, head back out and have tea with TA Tyrant for a bit. Finally see callout about EC, head toward STAB. Watch freepball hug bridge NPCs.

And so the cycle apparently continues.

Of probably the hour or so I spent out there tonight, I think 80% of that time was spent roaming the map looking for action. Very poor show, especially on a Saturday night.

(Side note, I had a good chuckle when poor Aelvain picked the wrong time to join the TR party - and not only that, but dismount to stealth outside the door).

The remaining freeps are holed up in TR at the moment. Big Congrats to Marktheo for jumping me right after I killed Corinthianz. What's better than killing one fail guard? Two, back to back. Then having them double team you and still dropping one in the process while the other runs for his life (as usual). Can't figure out the whole Guard-bow-dps thing but hey, you keep pew pewing away and so will I (wonder who does more damage? =P)

It kind of saddens me. I like going out into the moors with my WS mini and one or two friends, doing some dailies and roaming around looking for actual PVP. It's fun. I love running into a small group of creeps and fighting it out then laughing over our fails. I even love running into a creep raid and seeing how long i we can last. I wish there was more proper PVP instead of raid vs raid or raid mowing down stragglers all the time and just flipping keeps. I do the same thing the days I feel like creeping. Small group of 2-4 friends roaming around doing dailies while we wander around hoping for some real fun. So much trash talk and hate in the moors. Multi boxing spies, accusations of flipping and cheating and crying about nerfed classes. No one can ever just enjoy it anymore.

I usually don't participate in these types of threads, but in general I agree here.

Look, y'all know I'm the freep-hugging creep. I try to avoid drama and negativity, and I love tea parties! But I have to say tonight was disappointing. From *MY* perspective, we did have some decent fights here and there, but it was almost always a very lopsided fight with one side having significantly more than the other. Sometimes there were way too many creeps, sometimes way too many freeps, and I don't particularly enjoy either one of those. Nothing much can be done about that as the numbers are what they are.

But when there were a sh-- ton of freeps out, hearing that 30-ish freeps were sitting in EC when creeps were scattered about was one of those "uuh, what?" moments. And the sitting in Lug was another thing I couldn't understand. When you finally did push out (when there weren't a lot of creeps north of lug), you wiped us easily. There was nothing to be afraid of. Lug was close by, and defeat would have cost just a short run back. We did have some decent fights at Lug, but it was like pulling teeth trying to get freeps to come out and fight.

I was in a group of 3 or 4 for the majority of the night, and we spent a lot of time roaming the map. There was another MB group roaming around separately, and I think they had 6 or so. And there was a BH group plus some other small groups and stragglers. We didn't have a group of 30 or so running around together from what I saw.

It's probably safe to say that we both want better fights, at least the people reading this thread likely do. One way is to break up the massive groups (whether actually raided or not). Another way is to not say so close to keeps when there are a lot out. Yes creeps do this too. Sometimes there will be a few dozen of us sitting at a red keep. It's something *both* sides need to remember to work on.

Some of us have limited time left as we'll be playing another game hopefully this month. So for the next few weeks can we try a few things?

- Don't run around in huge groups. This means BOTH sides, whether raided or not. People can still goof around in vent/TS and ooc without being in a massive zerg ball.

- Roam the map more. We *all* spend time sitting at keeps. If anyone thinks they don't, you need a reality check.

- Don't get butt hurt if you die.

- Thank the other side for good fights. This doesn't happen nearly enough.


We're all here to have a good time as that's what games are for. It's up to all of us to make it enjoyable.

Gassy is right as usual.

There were some good fights, sadly not enough.

I will continue to ridicule greenies asking for raids as long as I'm playing. It's not something I like seeing encouraged on creepside. Both sides would stand to benefit if they would spend the time to learn their classes in solo settings (shakes finger at incessant warg packs) as well as small groups.

Have to agree with Gassy and Yummy on this and add my two cents. Bloodhand at the start of the night wiped three times facing the freepball yet after every wipe we came back trying out new strats and targets until we got a working battle plan. When the freepball finally wiped they sat in ec afterwards for along time. Just a little advice to the freep raid leaders, in raid v. raid, if you wipe stop and think on what you can improve upon so you don't wipe next time and sitting in a keep with equal numbers is not the solution.

My 2cs

PS. Gassy can you get me in the beta?

How about some of the people that want better fights hop on freepside and lead some of the raids than? It seems like all of the ranked freeps dont even bother with the raids atm because they usually are a raid with greenies led by leaders that maybe aren't as experienced as some of the craid leaders. But oh well, just my thought on things.

Originally Posted by colefire2

How about some of the people that want better fights hop on freepside and lead some of the raids than? It seems like all of the ranked freeps dont even bother with the raids atm because they usually are a raid with greenies led by leaders that maybe aren't as experienced as some of the craid leaders. But oh well, just my thought on things.

heh yeah sounds good in theory but in practice... well lets just say we tried it and people didn't like it

Originally Posted by Feanor1

PS. Gassy can you get me in the beta?

Other than the open beta weekends available to those who pre-order, I can't even get myself in the betas. I was very sad to read this morning that there will be only 1 open beta weekend per month. They didn't say how many such months there would be.

I don't have enough crumbling brands left to last a few months.

I have to agree with Yummy and Gas on this one, last night the action was really poor. I'm not one to go off on a massive wall o' text rant, so I'll just say this:

The Ettenmoors is an area for PvMP, act like it is when you're inside.

The moors cycle of blame and hatred continues. Keep up the rants as it makes reading the forums worthwhile. Seems so long ago when the forum hatred was all pointed at Bicep for his supposed turtling strats.

I was only online for about 1 hour yesterday. From what I saw, freeps had plenty of numbers to take on BH and MB at same time. But as usual my group tried to stay away from BH to encourage better fights. But not much came of it. We had to come all the way up to GV at one point, only to see a massive Freep ball waiting for us up there. As Gassy stated, we even split up into 2 groups yesterday. In the big picture, just another day, and maybe next day will be more fun.

Not sure why freeps always seem so unorganized *lately*. When it happens, it's been fun fighting the ones who are. Noldor, MoH and Aesir kin groups to name a few. Hope you guys keep doing your thing out here.

Good advice by Bag too. When you do wipe, just try again. Your not going to win them all. Just have fun, and anyone that logs to PvE land when you do wipe.... you shouldn't be out here to begin with.

No offence to this post or anyone who said anything on it, but none of those freeps who pull the same stunts every night read the forums.

Both sides are the same way. I can't count the number of times I have seen the Ark creeps gathered up on a red TA lawn or TR doorway with superior numbers. It happens on freepside too just as often. Everyone blames everyone else for what they think is poor fighting, and most of the times it has nothing to do with anything other than a Leader going AFK for 5-10 or some other factor that has nothing to do with intentionally trying to take advantage of the other side.

As far as last night goes, it seemed to be pretty decent for most of the night. Both sides had plenty of people dying for most of the time that I was in group with the main raid and there was some pretty decent open field fights near EC X-Roads. It was a lot better than a lot of other nights I have seen out there with one side just ROFLSTOMPing the other side all night.

There just needs to be less whining by butthurt players on both sides IMO. If you get screwed over one night for whatever reason, just get over it. It's not going to improve anything by coming on here starting some lame QQ thread, and no one is going to feel sorry for you. Grow up, move on, and play your game.

Originally Posted by Ivaed

...and most of the times it has nothing to do with anything other than a Leader going AFK for 5-10

This has always seemed to me to be the epitome of stupid - to have 20+ people stand around and wait while someone goes to the bathroom. If that's accepted raid behavior, then I'm glad I don't raid up.

It's not going to improve anything by coming on here starting some lame QQ thread, and no one is going to feel sorry for you.

There's a thing called "dialogue." This is ok.

Sounds like a bunch of creeps crying that they couldnt farm points.... my two cents.

You guys almost always fight with superior numbers and heals not to mention the 4-10 pack warg groups that are around. Freeps turtle when they have weak leaders and there really isnt any strong leaders left. I had to lead a raid last wednesday and it sucked, im a #### leader trying to encourage people to go get farmed all night ### is the point really? I know you will blather on saying creeps were outnumbered and what not but quite frankly it doesnt matter when the freeps playing suck.

Agree with almost everything that you said there Ivaed.. well put I thought. And I think a potty break every once in a while is acceptable. Its not the leaders fault that his/her minions are lost without them for the short time they are away quite often most of the people need a short break anyhow so that's what happens

I'm not sure how wanting people to fight more and pve less is considered a "qq" thread. Ivaed, nobody called you out, and nobody mentioned your name. But it seems you took the thread personally.

Why come to a pvp zone and gather around and stay in keeps and avoid fighting? It just seems like it'd be easier to do that in pve areas.

When I'm roaming around solo, I see a lot of creeps roaming around by themselves. This would be easy points for roaming freeps, but I rarely see roaming freeps. Why? Because they're normally at EC. Even when they have both rezzes, they're normally at EC.

Yesterday freeps only had TR. I used to ask creeps to let freeps keep a rez in hope that it will move fights around. But yesterday I just said there's no reason to let a keep stay blue. Freeps will go to EC regardless. One day in the past week or so all keeps were blue. Where were freeps? EC. *sigh*

Cheers to those freeps who are willing to come out and actually fight and roam around and not stayed holed up somewhere. Yes Ivaed, this does include you, among others, as I often see complaints in ooc about your roaming Noldor group. Creeps will complain if freeps roam, and they'll complain if they stay in ec. But at least those who roam make fights more interesting and less static.

See? This is a dialogue, as C said. This isn't qq.

Hey Why dont you guys do something about those stupid 5 to 8 wargs packs that roam around and then you might be about to find a fight out side of EC. You cant do anything solo against then you might get one kill then you either run or die. Come on the past few times ive been on creep side there is a call out for Warg pack PST. Another thing when the freeps do have TR how many times in the past week has a War leader and his ban of merry men bug out the NPCS to Farm the few freeps inside.

I run with a 2 to 4 man crew when Im not solo. Once in a while I run with a Kin raid but even then its no more the 12 people. Ive stop puggin in the moors cause of the silly PVE stuff and getting ban over my mouth. I try to fight outside the the normal spots but when your getting ganked all over the map its either GV or EC for me atleast.

Also When is the last time anyone in the moors listen to Vets? We use the OOC to talk all the time and all we get is a bunch of smart mules running their mouth as many vets on the freeps side have stop helping.

What YOU are doing, Gassy, could be considered dialogue. What the original poster intended was not. He came on here to call freeps out and flame them. If you honestly can't see the difference between the two...

Anyway what 'Cord, Ivaed and a couple others have said is spot on.

A lot of freeps 'solo'. Or at least start out that way in the night. And then you get zerged by the warg packs, the Blood Hand, or Morgul Blades (who usually has a small group, but enough Heals to fill 2 raids ). It isn't fun. I don't know a single person that goes out there and thinks to themselves, "man I can't wait to feed the creeps tonight!"

Often times, we're at EC because you're at EC (not you specifically, but creeps). It never fails, I can go there at 3 in the afternoon, 9 in the evening, or 2 in the morning and I'll find creeps. And you have admitted that in past threads, not sure why you can't now. EC and TA is at the center of the map; inevitably, thats where most of the action is going to take place. TA and the rest of the map is red most of the time, its usually the only safe spot on the map for freeps, who view it as a place to organize, prepare and 'turtle' when the odds are against you.

Whether or not the odds ARE against you comes down to perception, as I've said a thousand times across Ark's many stupid threads... Creeps see it one way, Freeps see it another - we very rarely agree on anything. It's always been that way, always will. Thats where a strong freepside leader is sorely lacking right now. Take Rahb for instance, he would often call freeps out for being in EC when he knew we could be having a better fight... so he'd call for a charge in ooc. You don't see that much anymore. But as someone who solo's 99% of the time, I'm not going to solo charge into you guys and hope the rest follow, and I'm guessing most freeps feel the same way. Creeps on the other hand benefit from having several good leaders who do at times communicate through ooc. Creeps are just better organzied at the moment.

And by the way, this whole notion that only freeps turtle is just rediculous. On the rare occasion that TA is blue, creeps can be found in OC. Why? Because they think freeps have an advantage. I've seen EVERY creep turtle at some point. It's just human nature sometimes. You think you're at a disadvantage so you go somewhere safe.

Originally Posted by ElricBlack

Hey Why dont you guys do something about those stupid 5 to 8 wargs packs that roam around and then you might be about to find a fight out side of EC. You cant do anything solo against then you might get one kill then you either run or die. Come on the past few times ive been on creep side there is a call out for Warg pack PST. Another thing when the freeps do have TR how many times in the past week has a War leader and his ban of merry men bug out the NPCS to Farm the few freeps inside.

I run with a 2 to 4 man crew when Im not solo. Once in a while I run with a Kin raid but even then its no more the 12 people. Ive stop puggin in the moors cause of the silly PVE stuff and getting ban over my mouth. I try to fight outside the the normal spots but when your getting ganked all over the map its either GV or EC for me atleast.

Also When is the last time anyone in the moors listen to Vets? We use the OOC to talk all the time and all we get is a bunch of smart mules running their mouth as many vets on the freeps side have stop helping.

Honestly, the greenies on creepside tend not to listen to others. They still don't take advice, don't realize that there doesn't always need to be a warg pack, etc. Really I think many people have given up on saying anything anymore because they just don't listen. Even in a raid, some of the newer creeps don't listen, don't want to change the fights, don't want to roam. Why? I have no idea, but I've tried to run groups and help greenies, but they continue to do what they were doing before the group and refuse to listen to anything the leader has to say. I mean no offense when I say this: but I really can't figure out if the greenies are too stubborn or just too stupid to want to learn or at least listen.

How can we make the Moors a better place ? The honest answer is we can not make it a better place as a whole.
We have no control over how others play this game
We can not make people stop sitting at EC/stab all day long
We can not stop warg packs
WE can not tell people what class they should be playing to make Fights more balanced

The only thing I can do when I log on is try to find the fights that I enjoy with people I enjoy playing with and try to make them laugh as much as they make me laugh.

The only thing we can do is to keep in mind that this is not a single person game and that the other people playing this game have a wide range of ideas on what is fun and balanced some of us play for stars some for points others just play to have fun.

If you are not finding the type of action in the moors you are looking for whatever it may be try flipping sides and sending tells to players you know or think are looking for the same type/size of fights and set up a playdate in some out of the way area maybe we can use this no flip timer for something other than moaning at each other.

Originally Posted by ElricBlack

Hey Why dont you guys do something about those stupid 5 to 8 wargs packs that roam around and then you might be about to find a fight out side of EC.

The wargs have been told over and over and over that both freeps AND creeps don't like the warg packs. The best we creeps can do is discourage the warg packs and explain it keeps freeps balled up or holed up, and this has been explained to them repeatedly.

Originally Posted by vodpraetor

What YOU are doing, Gassy, could be considered dialogue. What the original poster intended was not. He came on here to call freeps out and flame them. If you honestly can't see the difference between the two...

Well yeah the approach could have been worded differently but the gist is right, at least from my perspective.

Originally Posted by vodpraetor

I don't know a single person that goes out there and thinks to themselves, "man I can't wait to feed the creeps tonight!"

I don't think the same thing either, but I still enjoy soloing as I sometimes get nice 1v1 fights. Sometimes I go to GV to get them. Defeat doesn't matter that much to me or ruin my gaming experience, even if it happens often (which it does). Maybe I'm just different from the "norm". I don't start out thinking, "Man, I can't wait to feed the freeps" but I also don't dread defeat. It's all part of the moors.


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Originally Posted by vodpraetor

Often times, we're at EC because you're at EC (not you specifically, but creeps). It never fails, I can go there at 3 in the afternoon, 9 in the evening, or 2 in the morning and I'll find creeps. And you have admitted that in past threads, not sure why you can't now.

I never once denied that creeps sit at EC. It has always annoyed me that they do it. I see newbies there as well as veterans. People who complain about EC will stay in that area for hours. /mindboggle

I tell creeps that if they leave EC freeps will have to leave to find them. Creeps stay. Freeps stay. Rinse and repeat.

Originally Posted by vodpraetor

Whether or not the odds ARE against you comes down to perception, as I've said a thousand times across Ark's many stupid threads... Creeps see it one way, Freeps see it another - we very rarely agree on anything. It's always been that way, always will.

As I don't freep, I'd like to understand why things happen the way they happen, hence I was hoping this thread would explain things. Then again, I can't understand creeps much of the time, so maybe I'm just wasting my time.

Originally Posted by vodpraetor

And by the way, this whole notion that only freeps turtle is just rediculous.

Not sure if that's aimed at me, but I know very well that creeps turtle, and I mentioned that earlier. Everyone does it.

Originally Posted by ronald20736

How can we make the Moors a better place ? The honest answer is we can not make it a better place as a whole.
We have no control over how others play this game
We can not make people stop sitting at EC/stab all day long
We can not stop warg packs
WE can not tell people what class they should be playing to make Fights more balanced

We *can* throw out the idea of playing differently to those who haven't done so. I started out as a raid baby and stayed that way for about 1-2 years. People kept saying small groups were fun and soloing was fun. I tried them and liked them much more than raids. It's all about trying something different. You never know what you might enjoy until you try it.

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Just on here to say that at least some of the creeps dislike warg packs as much as the freeps. Some, like me, greatly oppose them. All they do is promote turtling areas, and I honestly can't blame the freeps for doing it. When a pack is out you can't so much as leave EC without popping a brand. Not only that, but they suck up all the infamy that would otherwise go to roamers (like myself).

Bottom line: Warg packs not only make the moors less fun for you freeps, they makes them less fun for us creeps.

As a long time warg on ark ive disliked the packs forever. Most creeps dont mind them I even saw a nice lil raid fighting along side the warg pack at one time last night. Yeh it happens by just promiximity to each other. It would be lovely if the people that play in warg packs would stop wasting the oxygen that should be reserved for us folk wanting to hide in npcs or turtle!

Good Morning all

The mouse is pic #2 isn't napping IMO.

The thing about fighting alongside warg packs is that you don't have much say in the matter. As a raid leader, if a warg pack jumps into one of your fights what are you to do? Just tell everybody to pack up and leave? No, you really have no choice but to continue fighting even if it means a bunch of dogs are giving you an unfair advantage.

Also, when referring to warg packs, keep in mind instead of a "pack" there may be several solo wargs responding to a call out in OOC. Warg packs do exist, but not quite as often as freeps might think.

Originally Posted by bobphillips33

Also, when referring to warg packs, keep in mind instead of a "pack" there may be several solo wargs responding to a call out in OOC. Warg packs do exist, but not quite as often as freeps might think.

Really good point. It can depend on the warg in question, though. Some recently on our server only ever run in a pack, others almost always solo.

Lots of creeps & freeps are technically solo but around a large number of other players this is true but "Forming warg pack pst" has been in creep OOC more than once lately. I recall the uproar over the burg packs that were out and about a while ago....the burg packs have gone the way of the dinosaur and i hope the warg packs do too.

It's true, Maie, I have seen those OOC warg pack requests too.

Another thing I've seen, is a lot of wargs grouped running quests. Those I assume are most likely freeps earning commies. Probably not fun to run into one of those as a freep, even though not formed with freep killing in mind, I'm sure they don't hold back if they see one.

Ran into two minnies on my BA last night, they promptly called in another minnie. Minnie "packs" make dog packs seem friendly. In the end, the result is the same, get ganked, get over it...try again.

Originally Posted by Armarieth

Lots of creeps & freeps are technically solo but around a large number of other players this is true but "Forming warg pack pst" has been in creep OOC more than once lately. I recall the uproar over the burg packs that were out and about a while ago....the burg packs have gone the way of the dinosaur and i hope the warg packs do too.

Speaking of the "warg pack forming" requests in OOC...was a r1 warg trying to get one going tonight when the action was already very slow. Apparently he has a r9 on another server and it's very common there. To put it nicely - he was handed his backside by just about every creep online in OOC. Safe to say folks on both sides are against warg packs.

Now, about those minstrel packs... :P

Personally I don't care about the warg packs, but the whining that gets caused by them gets annoying. They're paying for this game (hopefully) so why not play the way they wanna play? Sure it may kill the action and piss off some people but right now what really should be looked down on is crumbling insignia's and the p2w aspect.

Originally Posted by colefire2

Personally I don't care about the warg packs, but the whining that gets caused by them gets annoying. They're paying for this game (hopefully) so why not play the way they wanna play? Sure it may kill the action and piss off some people but right now what really should be looked down on is crumbling insignia's and the p2w aspect.

Believe me, those people that use store brands, buffs, and potions like it's their job are generally looked down upon in the creep community.

Originally Posted by bobphillips33

Speaking of the "warg pack forming" requests in OOC...was a r1 warg trying to get one going tonight when the action was already very slow. Apparently he has a r9 on another server and it's very common there. To put it nicely - he was handed his backside by just about every creep online in OOC. Safe to say folks on both sides are against warg packs.

Now, about those minstrel packs... :P

I was going to say the same thing Tatanko. Whenever I've seen attempts to build organized warg packs, it's usually met with resistance, if not outright hostility in creep OOC. That bone-head last night was on the brunt end of a lot of flames before being introduced to lots of ignore lists, including my own.

I run my warg with another tribe-mate in a "pack" of two. Never more than that...ever. Sure, there are a lot of dogs out now, but honestly, they're generally not very organized. And to be fair, a few of us labored for a long time on our puppies when we were seriously broken. Now that we've got some dev love, is there any wonder that we want to enjoy it?

Originally Posted by Fafoo

Believe me, those people that use store brands, buffs, and potions like it's their job are generally looked down upon in the creep community.

On one hand I agree with this statement. Freeps who buy store pots, brands etc do annoy me slightly. By the same token, though, a majority of the creeps have bought at least one skill/trait etc from the store. Is it ok for creeps to buy their rank 15 skills and not ok for freeps to buy some morale potions?

Having said that, not all 'store' pots are bought from the store. I for one have been opening a fair amount of lootboxes recently and been getting some morale pots out of them.. I'm not gonna let them rot in my backpack

Originally Posted by Sathim

On one hand I agree with this statement. Freeps who buy store pots, brands etc do annoy me slightly. By the same token, though, a majority of the creeps have bought at least one skill/trait etc from the store. Is it ok for creeps to buy their rank 15 skills and not ok for freeps to buy some morale potions?

Having said that, not all 'store' pots are bought from the store. I for one have been opening a fair amount of lootboxes recently and been getting some morale pots out of them.. I'm not gonna let them rot in my backpack

The difference between buying store pots and buying skills is huge. Buying creep skills merely replaces time, e.g. you could have just as well gotten them by putting in the time. This is the general intention of most stores in f2p mmos - store items replace time you would have had to spend grinding. People who have more money than time can level their toons faster, horse around faster, reset tasks, get their virts instead of grinding them out etc. it is generally a convenience thing. Store pots however are pay2win in the truest sense and there is no amount of time in game that could result in getting them.