Thread: Does everybody use the Moria Armor?

Is that why there doesn't seem to be any decent crafted armor available on the AH after level 45 or so? Seems like up until then I was able to buy full crit crafted sets pretty easily, but now nothing. I'm on Meneldor, which seems to be a low pop server, so maybe that's my problem.

There's a 50 crafted set, a 58 crafted set, and the Loth crafted set at 60 which requires both rep and guild standing. The others just require guild standing.

Because it takes six weeks to make a set on account of the cooldowns on the patterns that need to go in them, I usually only make them for my own toons - but if you know a guilded tailor/metalsmith, you could ask in advance if they could do it, or if they happen to have a stock of patterns if you bought the mats for them.

Pretty much. My guard used the purple Moria armor almost all the way to lvl 70 when I started replacing items with quest rewards. Really didn't see any good crafted armor until the lvl 75 Theodred stuff.

Originally Posted by Chanah

There's a 50 crafted set, a 58 crafted set, and the Loth crafted set at 60 which requires both rep and guild standing. The others just require guild standing.

Because it takes six weeks to make a set on account of the cooldowns on the patterns that need to go in them, I usually only make them for my own toons - but if you know a guilded tailor, you could ask in advance if they could do it, or if they happen to have a stock of patterns if you bought the mats for them.

Yeah it is pretty silly to work up a craft, work through getting guild rep to do what? Hurry up and slow down. These silly cooldowns really need to go away, but i am sure in the future we will all hear it again, and top tier store armor will appear because, guess what? Shortage of armors an the AH!! Pffffttt!!!!

I keep my tailor and armoursmith guild toons busy making symbols and trading, so I can pop a full set when needed.

My LM is 71 and still wearing the Moria armour. I just solo, so its good enough for me for now.

Originally Posted by Chanah

There's a 50 crafted set, a 58 crafted set, and the Loth crafted set at 60 which requires both rep and guild standing. The others just require guild standing.

Because it takes six weeks to make a set on account of the cooldowns on the patterns that need to go in them, I usually only make them for my own toons - but if you know a guilded tailor/metalsmith, you could ask in advance if they could do it, or if they happen to have a stock of patterns if you bought the mats for them.

Makes sense I suppose. I'm not much into crafting so I wasn't aware that cooldowns were such an issue as you moved up in level. Thanks.

The problem is you level past the stuff fast enough now anyway. Not really worth even getting the moria armor except that the medallions are account bound now. Thus it should probably be easier to get crafted gear (not as good as moria though which was distinctly overpowered). However if you make this gear you will out level it in a week or two. Head to Mirkwood and get a quick replacement with barter tokens.

Crafting market is fickle, it's best to have your own crafters if you want your alts to be geared up at all stages.

Originally Posted by Lohi

The problem is you level past the stuff fast enough now anyway. Not really worth even getting the moria armor except that the medallions are account bound now. Thus it should probably be easier to get crafted gear (not as good as moria though which was distinctly overpowered). However if you make this gear you will out level it in a week or two. Head to Mirkwood and get a quick replacement with barter tokens.

Crafting market is fickle, it's best to have your own crafters if you want your alts to be geared up at all stages.

Well, this is my first character that I've really spent any significant time on, so I'm still learning the barter system and such. I have been soloing pretty much exclusively, including the few skirms I've run. Is the Mirkwood set purchased with marks and medallions?

Mirkwood and Lorien have their own tokens, as does Moria.

You will get a lot of very nice gear if you follow the epics from the pre-quel of Vol II (when you go to the walls of Moria to get your legendaries) onward. That and decent quest rewards (which you will find in Dunland), plus anything you can trade for rep should get you through to 75.

My warden lived in a mix of Loth crafted and OD gear quite happily until 75 - I don't think you can do that now as nobody runs OD, but the Moria tokens are really easy to get - and again, the epic rewards for a lot of quests really are pretty epic once you get into volumes 2 and 3.

Originally Posted by Chanah

Mirkwood and Lorien have their own tokens, as does Moria.

You will get a lot of very nice gear if you follow the epics from the pre-quel of Vol II (when you go to the walls of Moria to get your legendaries) onward. That and decent quest rewards (which you will find in Dunland), plus anything you can trade for rep should get you through to 75.

My warden lived in a mix of Loth crafted and OD gear quite happily until 75 - I don't think you can do that now as nobody runs OD, but the Moria tokens are really easy to get - and again, the epic rewards for a lot of quests really are pretty epic once you get into volumes 2 and 3.

Okay, then I'll just continue to soldier on and not worry about it too much. I've got a couple of chapters left in Angmar before I head into Moria (although I've already completed the quests to get my LIs). Thanks

If you have marks & medallions there is also a level 50 Annuminas set. You can it from the barterers at the camp in Annuminas. I think the heavy set is called Armour of the West Tower. Might be at the skirmish camp classic vendor, too -- don't know for sure if the lvl 50 one is there. But it is definitely in Annuminas for marks & medallions.

Yes and no. The Moria set (Also known as the Vile Maw set since the Head and Shoulders are only acquired in the Vile Maw Raid) is one of the easiest sets of armor to acquire in game. Especially when they made the switch from individual loot coins to Medallions... you were able to get the 4 piece set within a week easily. The armor also stands the test of time quite well compared to crafted gear of similar levels. I am pretty sure I was able to keep mine equipped all the way to level 65 without hindering myself too much. I would get the 4 piece at least and not worry too much until you get to around level 65... then start looking at the crafted Teal gear.

It is also very popular because I am pretty sure it is one of the first teal sets you could get in the game from instance clusters. Unless the Annunimas set was lower... I never bothered with it so not too sure there.

I really get annoyed by time limits. Scholar has it bad, I thought, with having to wait three days to make more potions in bulk. But for armour? That's painful.

Originally Posted by Barren

I really get annoyed by time limits. Scholar has it bad, I thought, with having to wait three days to make more potions in bulk. But for armour? That's painful.

I wish armour was only 3 days. Its a week per piece at higher levels.

The Lothlorian crafted gear is almost as good as the Moria sets. I used to sell the Lorian medium armor set for a good amount of gold. If you can get the Moria gear you can pretty much wear some of it up until level 75.

Originally Posted by kidnova78

Is the Mirkwood set purchased with marks and medallions?

Yes.

Moria and Mirkwood gear are essentially RAID gear. They were intended that you had to run instances to get them (pretty hard to do now with players now spending any extra time hanging around these zones). The Mirkwood set though is somewhat worse than Moria because Turbine realized they make Moria gear too powerful.

Which brings up a piece of advice: Save up your marks/medallions. There are a lot of uses for these at level 75 to get 4 pieces of good armor, or to improve your legendary items. There is more than one way to get decent end game gear too.

While there are guild crafted sets at L50, L58, & L60 with a cool-down that people can/will make mostly for personal/kinship use, there definitely is a drop-off in both supply and demand with T4+ (L31+) crafting vs. T1-3 (L7-L28) non-shard crafting.

Under L30, the quest/barter gear is not as available nor as easily acquirable compared the 30s with the Evendim sets & 40s with the Fem & Trollshaws sets (as well as skirmish camp barter items to supplement). I can craft 100s of pieces of T1-3 items for sale on the AH and they will move consistently, but the higher tiers just don't have a similar market and are inconsistent for the seller and buyer.

It generally comes down to - with leveling so fast and good sources of gear from questing it's not worth the effort to craft/buy crit crafted gear. The prices for materials jumps and in some cases significantly (/evilye looking at you skirmish prices for T4+ flax.....)

I have the full teal set on my 63 burg, thanks alts, that I believe will be adequate until at least 70.

Originally Posted by Tosaf

I wish armour was only 3 days. Its a week per piece at higher levels.

Yup, 7 day cool downs on top tier stuff. And it's a real pain too. But it's either that of you burn tons of sigils/opt ingrediants/crafting scrolls trying to make the stuff with the faction recipes, and whiff like mad trying to do so, and blowing a ton of mats. Level 75 crafters are also still stuck in the stone ages with level 55 tools as well. This also needs to be addressed.

Crafting needs a serious looking into, but i'm not gonna hold my breath. I will be dead, totally decomposed, with my bones hanging in some museum somewhere before anything get's done about it i am afraid.

Originally Posted by OnyxSoulbane

i am sure in the future we will all hear it again, and top tier store armor will appear because, guess what? Shortage of armors an the AH!! Pffffttt!!!!

Too funny, and probably true. There is probably a profit-making opportunity here for dedicated tailors and metalsmiths, but with a 1 week CD, I'm personally not dedicated enough to want to jump into the game and start making things...once a week.

Originally Posted by Silverangel

Too funny, and probably true. There is probably a profit-making opportunity here for dedicated tailors and metalsmiths, but with a 1 week CD, I'm personally not dedicated enough to want to jump into the game and start making things...once a week.

How dedicated do you have to be to craft once a week?? And,yes, there is gold to be made there since it IS once per week and therefore somewhat scarce.

To the OP, if you follow the volume 2 and 3 epic storyline you will get pretty decent gear - mostly just lacking the set bonuses of the Moria stuff. It should be good enough to take you to Dunland. Check the AH for the odd piece. Also, there is very fine level 51, 54 and 56 stuff that has no CDs. (The volume 1 epic story is almost from when the cap was 50 so isn't as good.)

Originally Posted by BigLotroFan

Pretty much. My guard used the purple Moria armor almost all the way to lvl 70 when I started replacing items with quest rewards. Really didn't see any good crafted armor until the lvl 75 Theodred stuff.

This is exactly what I did. Until Enedwaith came out, I had the same Moria armour until I started doing Enedwaith quests. Not because of costs but because I never saw any decent gear from 60 to 70.

Crafting changes have been implemented over a long period of time and some changes impacted the ability to make good crafted armour easily some years ago.

I have Westfold Crafters of all professions and vocations and even before Moria when the Rift was the High Point, crafted armour and weapons were of little use after L35+. There was the Armour of Fem and I worked mighty hard to get the set. Rift Armour carried my toon through most of Moria too. Crafted cannot compare.

After the LI system was introduced even crafted weapons were of little use. Only the rare Reforged or Crafted LI is needed now and generally a friend will make it for you. Few are sold on the AH. The components alone are just about impossible to come by (worn symbol of celebrimbor etc). Even if someone had extra, because the needs are specific to each toon type, few would waste the components on a "guess". So you wont find much on the AH.

The newer store armours don't go high enough atm to help on the high end of things. Currently my L75's are using crafted Theodred armour which is good enough for what I'm doing. If you want to go on high end raids you need to grind a better set.

I have never used any piece of Moria armour on any of my characters and I had 4 at 65 for some time before RoI came out. I kitted them out in the level 65 armour.

Originally Posted by FundinStrongarm

How dedicated do you have to be to craft once a week??

The amount of dedication it would take to stick to regular, planned work on a project in a video game over the next month and a half, as opposed to just logging in and doing six pieces right now. For me, a month and a half is probably not going to happen. I have other things I need to be doing, anyway.

The week before last, a kinmate was L71 and was still wearing L56 crit crafted and Moria quest gear. She needed upgrades desperately. I'm not sure how or why--apparently she skipped the epic quests in Mirkwood and did no dungeons in Moria. I couldn't really help her too much. I had only one or two L71 recipes for Dunland (since they don't exist apparently?), Mirkwood crafted was only slightly better than what she had and probably not worth the mats and trying to crit, and Galadhrim I could not do without a stack of patterns built up. So it does make a lot of sense if you're going through Moria to do some dungeons if you can and grab some armor pieces, or at least do the main quests in Moria and post-Moria book quests will also give you teals like Archardor's Breastplate (Mirkwood main quests), Helmet of Hollin (early in vol. III after Mirkwood), etc.

Originally Posted by kidnova78

Is that why there doesn't seem to be any decent crafted armor available on the AH after level 45 or so? Seems like up until then I was able to buy full crit crafted sets pretty easily, but now nothing. I'm on Meneldor, which seems to be a low pop server, so maybe that's my problem.

Moria set is the best you can have at level 60. Just need 70 medallions for the four pieces. Head and shoulders need token from Vile Maw and you need to win the roll to get it. Jump into a Turtle Raid once a day, and every Grand Stair (GS) run you can. You could theoretically get 70 tokens in one play session. But more likely it could take five days.

The level 60 Galadhrim teal set is very nice too, almost as good as Moria. You need acquaintance standing with the Lothlorien though. But if you just do Moria epic line i takes you to Loth and gives you honorary status once you do their quest for them. So just do the Epic line until you get that.

As far as crafters. Those items are hard to make because they require a one week cooldown supreme guild item. That is why not many craft sets and sell on AH. But there are many players who probably have lots of guild items in the vault. You could ask in chat for anyone to craft you the set.

Originally Posted by Tosaf

I wish armour was only 3 days. Its a week per piece at higher levels.

Ask jewelers how they feel about crafting 2 rings

Originally Posted by Neumi

Ask jewelers how they feel about crafting 2 rings

And two bracelets.
And two earrings.
At least you only have one neck. I hope. <.<

Tier 4 crafting seems to suffer a lot for me.
Tinker, Tailor, Woodworker, are where mine are slacking. (And I've got characters coming up to that tier.) The amount of components you need just to make one piece of guild armour at T4 is painful to look at, let alone actually craft. (I thought the combining of gems and tailor components went away, but come to find out, no such luck.)

Originally Posted by Griffy

And two bracelets.
And two earrings.
At least you only have one neck. I hope. <.<

Tier 4 crafting seems to suffer a lot for me.
Tinker, Tailor, Woodworker, are where mine are slacking. (And I've got characters coming up to that tier.) The amount of components you need just to make one piece of guild armour at T4 is painful to look at, let alone actually craft. (I thought the combining of gems and tailor components went away, but come to find out, no such luck.)

Yes, with tier6 for example, you still need polished dawn roses along with mithril flakes in the guilded recipes. Just had to make up some 58 armor for my LM alt's today in fact. Tier 7 you get away from that, they all use just the leathers, no more gems. That will do him until he gets into enediwith and gets some of the bartered gear pieces, then on to dunland and the epics through GR and replce gear with drops/quested pieces. I wont bother making him anymore armor until Great river gear at cap now, i'm already stocking up on the patterns. You gotta plan way ahead if you intend to equip with crafted top tier stuff with these CD's. I wont blow through sigils and the mats trying to crit top tier stuff, with the guilded it's a gauranteed crit, may take longer with the cooldowns, but i wont feed the gold/resource sink that is trying to craft it with non-guilded. Blowing through more than a few dozen sigils and single use recipes while whiffing like mad on it is just stupid, prolly a bigger waste of time, and certainly a lot more money if your dependant upon AH for certain things like sigils in my case, as i have no high levels that can work those nodes.

Yeah I foresee Turbine offering a guild master symbol cooldown scroll in the store for 1000TP. Then a few months later they'll offer level 40-50 stat-ed gear in the store with the explanation "Customers were complaining of a lack of gear in the AH"

Originally Posted by FundinStrongarm

And,yes, there is gold to be made there since it IS once per week and therefore somewhat scarce.

That doesn't mean there's gold to be made, as there aren't many buyers in that segment, because it's ridiculously easy to get the Moria armour (competition) and it's known availability. If they randomly check for something on the AH, they are likely to see no listings.

There's a lot of examples of things like that, where there's a scarcity, but not because it can't be provided, but because there's not a significant market for it.



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Originally Posted by Elrendos

Yes and no. The Moria set (Also known as the Vile Maw set since the Head and Shoulders are only acquired in the Vile Maw Raid) is one of the easiest sets of armor to acquire in game. Especially when they made the switch from individual loot coins to Medallions... you were able to get the 4 piece set within a week easily. The armor also stands the test of time quite well compared to crafted gear of similar levels. I am pretty sure I was able to keep mine equipped all the way to level 65 without hindering myself too much. I would get the 4 piece at least and not worry too much until you get to around level 65... then start looking at the crafted Teal gear.

It is also very popular because I am pretty sure it is one of the first teal sets you could get in the game from instance clusters. Unless the Annunimas set was lower... I never bothered with it so not too sure there.

Medallions? you mean like the ones you get from skirmishes? So you dont actually have to do a million igash runs now?

Originally Posted by RJFerret

That doesn't mean there's gold to be made, as there aren't many buyers in that segment, because it's ridiculously easy to get the Moria armour (competition) and it's known availability. If they randomly check for something on the AH, they are likely to see no listings.

There's a lot of examples of things like that, where there's a scarcity, but not because it can't be provided, but because there's not a significant market for it

I have found there is gold to be made in that level range. My level 58 and 60 armour listings always sell. You just have to find the right items to offer.

Originally Posted by Elrendos

The armor also stands the test of time quite well compared to crafted gear of similar levels. I am pretty sure I was able to keep mine equipped all the way to level 65 without hindering myself too much. I would get the 4 piece at least and not worry too much until you get to around level 65... then start looking at the crafted Teal gear.

I just noticed this paragraph and LOL

Not trying to be mean, but this quote is full of epic fail.

First of all: The Moria set is the best possible lotro armour for a level 60, and there is no Armour set that exists between level 58-65 that is as good. For you to say you were able to keep wearing it until level 65 without hindering yourself "too much" is very funny, since there is no alternative gear that beats it.

Secondly, you end with recommending that the OP wear it until lvl 65, then suggest he look at changing into crafted teal gear. But, there is no crafted teal Armour set at level 65.

Thanks for the chuckles though

Originally Posted by enginekid

I just noticed this paragraph and LOL

Not trying to be mean, but this quote is full of epic fail.

First of all: The Moria set is the best possible lotro armour for a level 60, and there is no Armour set that exists between level 58-65 that is as good. For you to say you were able to keep wearing it until level 65 without hindering yourself "too much" is very funny, since there is no alternative gear that beats it.

Secondly, you end with recommending that the OP wear it until lvl 65, then suggest he look at changing into crafted teal gear. But, there is no crafted teal Armour set at level 65.

Thanks for the chuckles though

Id actually be tempted to stick with moria set until 75 crafted. maybe simply to give me a bit of challenge. maybe.

Originally Posted by douglasburns

Id actually be tempted to stick with moria set until 75 crafted. maybe simply to give me a bit of challenge. maybe.

five of my toons are level 72-73. the other two are 66 because they completed everything before RoI came out. they are all wearing at least 4 pieces of moria set. none of them went into dunland yet though. i dont know how much harder it will be

Originally Posted by douglasburns

Id actually be tempted to stick with moria set until 75 crafted. maybe simply to give me a bit of challenge. maybe.

Oh ya that's totally viable. I really did not see valid quest replacements for moria gear on either minstrel or captain until a round level 72ish.

As for "without hindering yourself" that's true. You can have less than the best armor without being hindered. You can have distinctly substandard armor (ie, level 58 crafted) and not be hindered. You're only hindered when soloing if you find yourself being defeated too often or unable to take on the number of enemies at once that a quest requires.

If you have enaugh medallions and marks, you can first get the lvl 55 annuminnas armour from skirmish camp, or as im doing, getting three or four pieces from annuminas and then the four pieces of moria armour at lvl 58,59 and 60. The moria medallions are quite easy to get, because there is always someone running GS, and the turtle raid is now daily, thus it is being run quite often. I think i ran GS three times, Forges, Watcher, Skimful, Turtle x2 in the last two days. Though Watcher was with kin because unless you have a good team youll probably will be wiped.

Well, seeing as I am currently equa-leveling 9 different toons (at 40 currently) I dont think i will bother with moria armour, but just use crafted and quest reward till I get em to 75. No way im grinding moria medallions for NINE toons lol. waste of time when gear will be useles at 75.

Originally Posted by douglasburns

Well, seeing as I am currently equa-leveling 9 different toons (at 40 currently) I dont think i will bother with moria armour, but just use crafted and quest reward till I get em to 75. No way im grinding moria medallions for NINE toons lol. waste of time when gear will be useles at 75.

i equa-leveled seven toons. i am on my final one and just finished enedwaith and completing world renowned with it. none of my toons have went into dunland yet. i leveled them all to have a full set of crafters.

i sent them all on GS and Turtle runs when i could. it was fun actually and those instances are fast. it didn't take long at all for each of them to gather 70 medallions.

you can do it if you want to, i say go for it, the armour is nice! and another reason is some deeds in gs.