Thread: Young Burg Seeking Advice

My main is my LM but wanted to try something completely different so rolled a hobbit burg. What advice can the experts provide on how to play her to her full potential.

I know the play style is completely different and want to make sure I equip her and trait her appropriately.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice given.

Sapra's the name

My main was a Lore-Master right before I started my Burglar. Interesting... :P

Just off of the top of my head:

1). Try to start most of your attacks from Stealth (and behind) for damage bonus. But if the quests and npcs aren't that hard I wouldn't bother. It's actually faster just playing your burglar like a Champion through the easy questing areas. You've got a really neat skill called "Touch and Go" that will allow you to take on several mobs at once.

2). I'd recommend using "Daggers" because of the Critical chance on Auto-Attack. What I sometimes do is click a skill, then click the auto attack button, and then skill again and so on. I've had many crits doing this.

3). Play up til level 30 before deciding if you don't like the class. This is JUST incase you decide you don't like it. Reach 30 before making that decision because 30 is where the class really picks up.

4). Remember to use "Riddle" wisely as it's cooldown is a royal pain. You obviously don't need a CC lesson though as I can see you've been playing the CC King, the Lore-Master.



I also recommend checking this topic out:
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...s-for-Burglars

It's full of cool useful little tips that will help a lot.

Daggers are awesome but clicking the autoattack button will not improve your critical chance.

Originally Posted by Eiffelle

Daggers are awesome but clicking the autoattack button will not improve your critical chance.

Above: Random Dagger

Actually I've already experimented with this and throwing an auto-attack in with your rotation does help. It's written on the tooltip (see above). 2% goes a long way with something called "luck". I'd rather have that 2% chance than none at all. Playing in the moors basically makes me depend on crits anyway

For Example: I sat mashing keys on a creep and almost got no crits. I quickly added auto-attack into my rotation and I got a bunch in a row... Went back to rotation and was suffering more by not pressing my auto-attack button or ceasing from pressing a skill for a second or two to let an auto-attack get in. Make of that what you will... Maybe the auto-attack God loves me lol

Sorry but auto attacks once started are auto and hit with a regular time separate from skills. They critical more often with daggers but you can't make them occur more often by clicking. The auto attack button. They just occur at their interval.

Tried right clicking yet?

Originally Posted by Eiffelle

Sorry but auto attacks once started are auto and hit with a regular time separate from skills. They critical more often with daggers but you can't make them occur more often by clicking. The auto attack button. They just occur at their interval.

this is not true. they trigger after certain moves and during down time. not at any specific time interval. would i recommend using time to hit the auto attack key? probably not but i'll have to try it out for kicks.

Grind out your Leaf-Walker trait (for using sneak) as soon as hobbitly possible. The sooner you speed up your stealth movement from 50%, the better leveling goes. Focused Eye (for using aim) should also be a priority since you won't get your auto-crit from Improved Sneak for quite a while. Pro-tip: using your moves on training dummies counts towards deeds.

Just because you can sneak past all the mobs, kill the boss, and get out in under a minute doesn't mean you should. You'll have to do slayer deeds eventually, might as well get some good xp out of the mobs while they're on level.

Might is useless to you. I've seen a startling number of burgs lowbie and level 75 alike who don't seem to realize that.

Don't be afraid to get hit. We're surprisingly sturdy.

Originally Posted by Fantomex

Might is useless to you. I've seen a startling number of burgs lowbie and level 75 alike who don't seem to realize that.

Not sure about the level 75 burgs you are seeing, but it's still tough to get gear at lower levels without the old "might" stats (just dinged 67 on my burg). Until we get into the Dunland area and/or level up the rep enough, a lot of the gear is still pre-RoI stats. Many times you'll find decent agility, but with just as much might. It's not that we're looking for it, more like can't get rid of it.

At the OP: get the best weapons you can for every level. If you don't have the resources for crafted armour and crafted blades, go for the blades. Upgrade as soon as possible. Getting extra damage and the crit-chain going will make life much more easy than a few extra points of armour while you are leveling.

Originally Posted by Fantomex

Pro-tip: using your moves on training dummies counts towards deeds.

Buh? Really?! *smacks forehead* I haven't leveled a character through deeds since before the training dummies came out, I never thought to check. Clever Retort and Confound deed, here we go!

I didn't mean to imply that the auto attacks are perfectly regular ronald, because you are right, they are not. I just think the best way to alter auto attacks is with skill choice. Not clicking the off on attack switch. I may even be wrong there, and would love some proof. I suspect the clicking doesn't increase dps or critical chance.

Originally Posted by Lupini

Not sure about the level 75 burgs you are seeing, but it's still tough to get gear at lower levels without the old "might" stats (just dinged 67 on my burg). Until we get into the Dunland area and/or level up the rep enough, a lot of the gear is still pre-RoI stats. Many times you'll find decent agility, but with just as much might. It's not that we're looking for it, more like can't get rid of it.

I see way too many capped burgs wearing the level 70 crafted rings with 40 might a pop and the Theodred's Riders rep bracelet with might and agility. I know it's incidental to them wanting more morale and agility respectively, but there are better pieces out there and the response I hear is usually, "It gives me some physical mitigation too." And then there are those who simply don't realize they don't need might since the expansion.

Originally Posted by Lupini

Buh? Really?! *smacks forehead* I haven't leveled a character through deeds since before the training dummies came out, I never thought to check. Clever Retort and Confound deed, here we go!

Especially confound. Yuck.

Originally Posted by Lupini

Buh? Really?! *smacks forehead* I haven't leveled a character through deeds since before the training dummies came out, I never thought to check. Clever Retort and Confound deed, here we go!

Just make sure the dummies (or any other enemy you want to advance class deeds on) are not gray to you.

Originally Posted by Eiffelle

Sorry but auto attacks once started are auto and hit with a regular time separate from skills. They critical more often with daggers but you can't make them occur more often by clicking. The auto attack button. They just occur at their interval.

This is correct. If you look at your combat log you will see damage from "melee attack" at a regular interval. That is your auto attack.

I just spammed Wild Attack, Blade-wall, and Remorseless Strike on a Training dummy with my champion. Here is the log:

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### Chat Log: Combat 04/03 06:47 PM ###
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 399 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 387 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 373 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 248 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Blade-wall on the Training-dummy for 377 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Blade-wall on the Training-dummy for 538 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 359 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a devastating hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 450 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 375 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 308 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 304 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 218 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Remorseless Strike on the Training-dummy for 1,026 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Remorseless Strike on the Training-dummy for 391 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 359 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 231 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion missed trying to use Wild Attack on the Training-dummy.
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 307 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 254 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 450 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Blade-wall on the Training-dummy for 366 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Blade-wall on the Training-dummy for 397 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 299 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 289 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Wild Attack on the Training-dummy for 417 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion missed trying to use Wild Attack on the Training-dummy.
Nunion scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 473 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 239 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a critical hit with Remorseless Strike on the Training-dummy for 2,892 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with Remorseless Strike on the Training-dummy for 519 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion missed trying to use a melee attack on the Training-dummy.
Nunion scored a critical hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 473 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a devastating hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 605 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Nunion scored a hit with a melee attack on the Training-dummy for 291 Beleriand damage to Morale.

The auto attack is automatic.

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Just make sure the dummies (or any other enemy you want to advance class deeds on) are not gray to you.

Evidently purple is also too high, deeds don't advance. Need some dummer dummies...or just need to finish this level.

Originally Posted by Lupini

Evidently purple is also too high, deeds don't advance. Need some dummer dummies...or just need to finish this level.

Purple isn't too high for deeds, it's just too high for most of your attacks to hit. Even red's sketchy enough to make it a general waste of time.

Thank you for the great advice.

Sapra is moving along nicely and I am enjoying the playstyle of the burg quite a bit. She has been practicing her stealth moves on the unsuspecting bears and wolves of the shire completing the advanced wolf slayer deed at level 9 at Dora's farm.

Originally Posted by Fantomex

Purple isn't too high for deeds, it's just too high for most of your attacks to hit. Even red's sketchy enough to make it a general waste of time.

Thanks...I was poking fun at myself, playing on the other comment about "grey practice dummies" not advancing the deeds.

However, if it advances the "resist" deed (for Complicated Terms, opens at level 20), it might actually be worth it for someone. I've finished mine, so I can't test it.

FYI, I believe the autoattack confusion might be that many preliminary burg skills don't activate autoattacks to begin with.

It's not until you get a mêlée hit, that autoattacks are turned on. This is why so many steal MOBs from stealthed burgs, the MOB's morale bar is still red to them, the burg hasn't tagged the MOB while buffing/debuffing.

However instead of clicking autoattack on, simply hit with a mêlée skill and voilà, you've done more damage and turned autoattacks on and saved time (thereby increasing DPS).



"Sometimes survival comes down to not being hit. Actually, most times." -the chicken skill, Bob and Weave