Thread: Are Wargs overpowered after update 6??

Ive been in the moors stuffing around on my Elf Minnie Lasgolar and im getting smashed by wargs even by one, Are they overpowered?

Originally Posted by lasgolar

Ive been in the moors stuffing around on my Elf Minnie Lasgolar and im getting smashed by wargs even by one, Are they overpowered?

They are stronger than they were, but Minstrel is still far more overpowered than wargs are. Same is true about a few other freep classes as well.

There are some wargs on the server that go out solo or in groups of two that are pretty fun to fight.

They seem overpowered because here on Nimrodel, there's always 3 or more grouped and warg-packing it up! Awwww yeahhhh.

Originally Posted by Cronk5

They seem overpowered because here on Nimrodel, there's always 3 or more grouped and warg-packing it up! Awwww yeahhhh.

Gorilla tactics. Double pun FTW.

So true guys, But u know what really annoys me is when your down to about 1k morale after a spar or a fight or something against a creep wargarine pops out of nowhere and kills u its really annoying

In reality,

Wargs have just been brought up to speed and more balanced at. Warg by itself is nowhere near OP.

wargs have always been decent, a little bit squishy prior to u6 update though. However, if most wargs disregarded their traditional style of either pounce/hipsing or waiting for a target to reach 1k morale then finish it off, pvp would be at its finest. i guess not everyone can click/mash 4-5 skills rotation

Warg packs are easy to beat, just bring one, uno, single shield traited Warden.

You can get one to fight you? If they are OP, why can't I get one to fight me unless there are atleast 3 of them. Last good solo fight I had was with Volo's a couple months ago.

Originally Posted by gungus_coyote

You can get one to fight you? If they are OP, why can't I get one to fight me unless there are atleast 3 of them. Last good solo fight I had was with Volo's a couple months ago.

What about the spar we had on the north end of HH the other day??

That was charity Ace.

No, they're simply competitive. You might have to learn what your buttons (and maybe their buttons) do now.

It amuses me that a minstrel could possibly consider any other class overpowered. We're OP as ****.

Originally Posted by Xiladi

It amuses me that a minstrel could possibly consider any other class overpowered. We're OP as ****.

Wasn't gonna mention that in previous post...

It's all Daid's fault!

Welcome back...

YOu have it all wrong. Its not the Wargs that are overpowered. The question you should be asking is Why are Hunters so overpowered?

Originally Posted by lasgolar

what really annoys me is when your down to about 1k morale after a spar or a fight or something against a creep wargarine pops out of nowhere and kills u

hahahah thanks for the mention!

^^

Originally Posted by Xiladi

It amuses me that a minstrel could possibly consider any other class overpowered. We're OP as ****.

Ohai Daid, long time no see!!

Originally Posted by Xiladi

It amuses me that a minstrel could possibly consider any other class overpowered. We're OP as ****.

Yep very true I am a warg that is running around solo 90% of the time.. I'm still pretty new to Lotro pvp and it has been great fun for me so far. I'm an experienced gamer tho and I have to say wargs are decent and fun to play but far from op. The only really balanced and fun 1vs1s i had so far were against champs and hunters.. every other class if the freep is played by a skilled player are nearly impossible to kill 1vs1.. on top of that list are minis and rks.
What amuses me are low skilled minis and rks that group up running around with 2-3 minis and 1-2 rks in a group and qq about 3 grouped wargs as a op warg pack.. even tho these wargs aren't even grouped but just attack at the same time the same target. What do they expect? - a single warg running into a group of 5 freeps minis + rks so they can ezmode stunlock and farm their kills? lol

Anyways, take it easy guys. I ll see you on the battlefield

Originally Posted by Amorbash

even tho these wargs aren't even grouped but just attack at the same time the same target.

What a coincidence!

Originally Posted by Cronk5

What a coincidence!

hahaha just saying if they were grouped as a small warg pack the timing would be better, and the skills used would be more effectively combined.

Warg can be op at times like i can gank any good hunter just start on my hunter kill rotation. Pounce throat rip slow stun pot and dps hard.
But even on my mini if i log from creep side on freep i hear people complaining about failpacks and 9/10 im like.. we werent grouped....

two rank 7+ wargs are deadly enough if you packin..it was before, i'm sure it is even more so now! Dagalace used to feel the love, killed within a pounce)

Originally Posted by vhamster

two rank 7+ wargs are deadly enough if you packin..it was before, i'm sure it is even more so now! Dagalace used to feel the love, killed within a pounce)

oh yes they sure are. But the thread is about if wargs are overpowered (started by a mini) and they sure are not overpowered compared to all the freep classes. A warg is supposed to be a burst dmg dps ''assasine''. well with all dmg traits I have never crited over 3k on a warg on npcs (less on freeps of course)... but with audacity 7 I still get crits over 5k from freeps - and I don't mean hunters (my hunter crits much higher than 5k with some skills) I ve been crited by minis and rks for over 5k - that twice in a row and you are pretty much dead. so like I said in my first post: wargs are decent but not overpowered at all.

And sure Volo: two rank 7+ wargs are twice as deadly as one ;P~~

i know what warg is bud, played it long enough...i was speaking out against the packs. Back in the day,rolling in a pack was quite fun when Grimazoids were out doing mobile farming

Originally Posted by Amorbash

two rank 7+ wargs are twice as deadly as one ;P~~

Actually, it would be more like 3... or 4. You got double the damage coming onto you and once you deal with one, you now have a *fair* 1v1

Simple answer: No

... I thought about this just recently, maybe they are the more powerful creep class right now but overpowered I do not think so. I think the amount of wargs in moors is the reason the class looks OP, kinda like when you get 5-6 minis and 6 - 7 RKs in same area. Only difference is wargs will not get as many heals and have to be in melee range of RK and Minis that melt anything in their path.

http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.p...ar=2012&rank=5


Scroll down and there is your answer, wargs aren't OP. They are built well but just look at the population of them these days. Now go back a couple of years...

http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.p...ar=2010&rank=5


Never said this was an answer to the question just an interesting fact. You can't ignore the population changes though. And lastly ask yourself what would the moors be like if all freeps could hop into pvp with max gear or just max level with an adjustment like swtor or gw. Would we see burg packs, and numbers of burgs doing the same thing? Wargs in a way recieve that to some extent. No need to respond to this, it's been said before.

With respect to Wargs, lets get a few things clear:

First and foremost: Wargs were never a hard class to play. They've always been the easiest class and the most rewarding class at the same time. That has been true from SoA til now. And, that is why you see still see an overwhelming abundance of wargs to date.

Second: Wargs are a stealth class, so you always have an advantage. They have the inate liberty to pick and choose their fights.

Third: Wargs have the best escape skills in the game. You have the highest odds out of any creep or freep in escaping an encounter.

Fourth: U6 has allotted wargs the abilities to be even more effective in solo and group play. They have had their calculated solo kill-ability increased as well as their mitigations trumped only by warleaders while in flayer.


Summary: Turbines loves their wargs, and hates their Reavers


And that is why everyone plays Wargs. They can choose their fights, win when they want, and retreat when they don't win.


Thats what you call a five year experiment............on weed. :O



The worse part is that we still haven't had any new pipeweed animations. Must be the lazy side-effect.


This next Toq is for U turbine! Sorry I was late. 4/20 was five days ago

Originally Posted by Kurtdg21

With respect to Wargs, lets get a few things clear:

First and foremost: Wargs were never a hard class to play. They've always been the easiest class and the most rewarding class at the same time. That has been true from SoA til now. And, that is why you see still see an overwhelming abundance of wargs to date.

Second: Wargs are a stealth class, so you always have an advantage. They have the inate liberty to pick and choose their fights.

Third: Wargs have the best escape skills in the game. You have the highest odds out of any creep or freep in escaping an encounter.

Fourth: U6 has allotted wargs the abilities to be even more effective in solo and group play. They have had their calculated solo kill-ability increased as well as their mitigations trumped only by warleaders while in flayer.


Summary: Turbines loves their wargs, and hates their Reavers


And that is why everyone plays Wargs. They can choose their fights, win when they want, and retreat when they don't win.


Thats what you call a five year experiment............on weed. :O



The worse part is that we still haven't had any new pipeweed animations. Must be the lazy side-effect.


This next Toq is for U turbine! Sorry I was late. 4/20 was five days ago

/Signed
10c

Reavers definately need some love... Their dps is meh atm and their mitigations are significantly lacking. For their given roll in PvP, they get blown up way to easily and no doubt require a bit of attention for U7. Would like to see reavers get crit chance buffs and a bump in overall dps as well as mitigations fixed, 'cept for that one reaver Surmit. Turbine, swing the nerf bat at that particular one!!!

Originally Posted by 87_Suited

Reavers definately need some love... Their dps is meh atm and their mitigations are significantly lacking. For their given roll in PvP, they get blown up way to easily and no doubt require a bit of attention for U7. Would like to see reavers get crit chance buffs and a bump in overall dps as well as mitigations fixed, 'cept for that one reaver Surmit. Turbine, swing the nerf bat at that particular one!!!

This has Disappointed me since F2P PvP Day 1. I seriously have no clue what the DEVs have been thinking but there are player that have worked hard on their Reavers. Now not only are they tickle machines they are also blown up before charge has finished. I think the Devs really need to look deep in to this class and correct it.

Reavers will NEVER be OP again for one simple reason, Freavers. If they make Reavers on par with other Creeps, and I'll take ya'lls word for it (my Burg destroys them now if thats any indication), then P2W....I mean F2P players won't purchase any other Creep classes. Its all about the TP's.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Reavers will NEVER be OP again for one simple reason, Freavers. If they make Reavers on par with other Creeps, and I'll take ya'lls word for it (my Burg destroys them now if thats any indication), then P2W....I mean F2P players won't purchase any other Creep classes. Its all about the TP's.

I can agree with this, spiders and wargs seem to be in a sweet spot now in terms of viability. The creep support classes remain the same, and the reaver is sort of at the bottom of it all dying its slow death.

Anyways, Jarik Ironhand on Sea of Sorrows if anyone rolled on that server for this weekend. May change servers for actual release (I suspect so).

After a single day of beta I can easily say this is the game for me, for pvp. I'm not a prophet but TORtanic seems to be losing its lustre but if you ladies head my way drop a line

I was stoked for GW2, but it looks awfly cartoonish and WoWlike. I think I'll wait until refer a friend or free weekends start, same with The Secret World, 3 faction PvP in TSW sounds interesting.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

I was stoked for GW2, but it looks awfly cartoonish and WoWlike. I think I'll wait until refer a friend or free weekends start, same with The Secret World, 3 faction PvP in TSW sounds interesting.

wat. Graphics haven't changed and we've known about it for months. ~_~
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Originally Posted by invaznoftheazn

wat. Graphics haven't changed and we've known about it for months. ~_~
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I watched my first video the other day and it caught me by surprise, not that it still can't be a good game. After Aion, Rift and now ToR not living up to expectations I think I'll now take a wait and see approach with all new games.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

I watched my first video the other day and it caught me by surprise, not that it still can't be a good game. After Aion, Rift and now ToR not living up to expectations I think I'll now take a wait and see approach with all new games.

TORtanic wasn't incredibly surprising, nor were aion or rift. Nor aoc/warhammer and darkfall, as a result I've played this terribad game for 5 years (refer to milts hookers and meth comment) waiting for dynamic and engaging pvp. Now it's finally here and I'm currently playing Beta and loving every second of it.

Why wait for hivemind to make a decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yQi...e_gdata_player
Watch the whole series and form your own, all the info is already out there.

What are you really even looking for in an MMO? Because if it's good/balanced pvp Anet has delivered and is delivering.

Originally Posted by invaznoftheazn

TORtanic wasn't incredibly surprising, nor were aion or rift. Nor aoc/warhammer and darkfall, as a result I've played this terribad game for 5 years (refer to milts hookers and meth comment) waiting for dynamic and engaging pvp. Now it's finally here and I'm currently playing Beta and loving every second of it.

Why wait for hivemind to make a decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yQi...e_gdata_player
Watch the whole series and form your own, all the info is already out there.

What are you really even looking for in an MMO? Because if it's good/balanced pvp Anet has delivered and is delivering.

This sounds exactly like people who were talking up ToR before that launched too. For the record, I still love the game and enjoy every minute of it. They've done nothing but improved it since launch and continue to do so. It's not their fault the playerbase has the attention span of a soap dish. But the Tortanic retort is clever.

MMO hoppers in general have that attention span and fixate on a games flaws rather than its upsides. Seems like I'll be with Gw2 for I'd estimate around 2-4 years depending on the content they put out or if they do expansions.

It's not always gonna be for everybody, like swtor. But considering what these games have I really question why anyone would play lotro at all anymore. Community isn't always enough, most people have actual lives for that kind of socializing. This game is just...I dunno.

Originally Posted by invaznoftheazn

MMO hoppers in general have that attention span and fixate on a games flaws rather than its upsides. Seems like I'll be with Gw2 for I'd estimate around 2-4 years depending on the content they put out or if they do expansions.

It's not always gonna be for everybody, like swtor. But considering what these games have I really question why anyone would play lotro at all anymore. Community isn't always enough, most people have actual lives for that kind of socializing. This game is just...I dunno.

I feel like in a small way I contributed to you having this view./happy