Thread: Any details yet on incoming Mini Nerf?

The Devs hinted this was coming just wondering if any more updates?

Im sure most of us can agree this needs to happen

Or perhaps freeps will get buffed to match the minstrels standards.

It wouldn't suprise me.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Or perhaps freeps will get buffed to match the minstrels standards.

This would be ideal, nerfing freeps = tears and those tears lead to reprisals via creep nerfs.

What would you QQ about next, once minis get 'nerfed'?

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

What would you QQ about next, once minis get 'nerfed'?

Try sparring a skilled mini on your Champ

YouTube it, and report back

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Translation: I do not want to lose Godmode on my mini!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

What would you QQ about next, once minis get 'nerfed'?

Because legitimate balance concerns all = QQ now.

I don't see why you think minis should be nerfed. I fought one with 2 npc's on them and I almost got them down to half health. I mean I think they almost thought about popping their bubble. So they seem about right to me.

Yeah just nerf minnies before buffing every freep...PLEaSE

its SO easy nerf, -75% healing in warspeech, no group heals at all, and the 10s tail effect, hell make it 20s!

this warg is happy about the state of the burg.


so i guess it time burgs get a huge buff.

We'll agree to nerf Minnies when 1) you stop crying about your DPS and 2 you agree to nerf Wargs. kthxbye.

I am hoping for an overnerf. I'd like to be able to play my Mins without shame again.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

The Devs hinted this was coming just wondering if any more updates?

Im sure most of us can agree this needs to happen

Nerf? I want my 5k CoF back. So tired of seeing the back end of a warg!

I just must recount a recent creep OOC conversation:

Warg1: Go for the hunter, he's easy!
Warg2: That hunter has shield wall...
Warg3: You know, I didn't use to mind guardians in the moors, now I hate them!
BA: If a mini shows up I'm logging!

I must say, its very hard to feel sympathy for a creep when I'm on my hunter...
My reaver on the other hand just doesn't care... If I get a kill great but I really don't care too much

Originally Posted by Sezneg

Because legitimate balance concerns all = QQ now.

I was just noting the irony of it all (source), ease down Ripley.

Any info of fix the BUG with tracking burglars with HIPS buff?

Any info of fix to spider's pets, who are following burglars after HIPS?

Any info of tracking (wargs) skill for hobbits?

Originally Posted by Vilda

Any info of fix the BUG with tracking burglars with HIPS buff?

Any info of fix to spider's pets, who are following burglars after HIPS?

Any info of tracking (wargs) skill for hobbits?

Wargs with disappear buff get tracked too. Been like that for years

Lm/cappy pets follow wargs through disappear as well. Also a bug that's been around for years.

Starting to lose hope either bug will ever get fixed. You forgot npcs attacking through Disappear though (guessing it must happen to burgs too)

Warg tracking skill is not only for hobbits though but for all freeps. It's got half range of a hunter's track and double the cd though. The tracking "skill" I think you're referring to is not a skill but consumables used by wargs to track hobbits. They still have 1 minute cd and you need to constantly restock on them. At least hobbits only get tracked by wargs. Men get tracked by both wls and bas.

Originally Posted by wolfaqua

We'll agree to nerf Minnies when 1) you stop crying about your DPS and 2 you agree to nerf Wargs. kthxbye.

Rank 4 Warg, Rank 1 WL -beat- on a Minnie for 10 minutes. She did not evade or attempt to dodge beyond her character's BPE - no running, no jumping around, just stood there and yawned at us. Final result? At half health the minnie flopped and lay there until full power and health. Then wiped the floor with us, no sweat.

Something's not right in balance.

strange that the only people saying that minis and burgs are weak are burgs and minis themselves, real strange....
rofl wish they would roll a creep and experience our pain.
If I rolled a burg I'd have 2k Rating in a week, thats how easy it is.
Mini: I'd be r8 by the end of the month, np.

Originally Posted by Netdancer

Rank 4 Warg, Rank 1 WL -beat- on a Minnie for 10 minutes. She did not evade or attempt to dodge beyond her character's BPE - no running, no jumping around, just stood there and yawned at us. Final result? At half health the minnie flopped and lay there until full power and health. Then wiped the floor with us, no sweat.

Something's not right in balance.

Yep, the balance was way out. Probably a well geared minstrel. I'm guessing the warg doesn't have all his bells and whistles yet? And the rank 1 WL could as well have been there or not. Most of the freep classes if well geared probably would have pulled through that one.

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

What would you QQ about next, once minis get 'nerfed'?

BAck to burgs?

Originally Posted by wolfaqua

We'll agree to nerf Minnies when 1) you stop crying about your DPS and 2 you agree to nerf Wargs. kthxbye.

Sorry the DPS crying is here to stay, while most of us have been distracted with U6 the high crit damage output from the PvE builds/uncapping of stats is still the problem in the moors. Put as much lipstick on that pig as you want, its still a pig.

However, no nerfs to freeps. The answer is, was and will be buffing creep battlefield promotions with scalable damage output to freep equivelent. Part of that issue is the length of time it takes to get to R15 so we cant have a real comparative to a level 75 freep damage output.

Nerfing freeps is always the wrong approach as they are built for the PvE game, a -moors only fix- has been attempted with Audacity forcing the freep player to get the new armor and reducing his bonus's but It dosent appear to be impactful in the actual game play (although its a step in the right direction).

Nerfing wargs would result in a loss of a great many players. I dont know if you have a creep or not but wargs despite their stealth ability were usually the first killed on the battlefield. Yes through targeting but also through the inability to mitigate or defend against massive critical damage. You nerf me, i better be compensated with a defensive buff. Otherwise more of my gaming time will be spent on other mmo's that means less renown for you, less possible consumption money for turbine.

Nerfs are a bad solution.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Try sparring a skilled mini on your Champ

YouTube it, and report back

Minstrel is OP and Champ is OP too. + Who cares which one win on freep spar. They're both OP.

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Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

I am hoping for an overnerf. I'd like to be able to play my Mins without shame again.

Same.

I can't believe my minnie never dies.

True OP minstrels roll with the nerfs and are still beasts to beat.

Originally Posted by Familiarity

True OP minstrels roll with the nerfs and are still beasts to beat.

Ewww I'm agreeing with fam.

Seen some capable minstrels manage to be quite competitive in spars eschewing all healing. The nerf isn't likely going to be 100% healing reduction, so these minstrels will still do quite well since they will go from not healing at all to make things more challenging to having some form of healing.

Originally Posted by Witch0King

If I rolled a burg I'd have 2k infamy in a week, thats how easy it is.

2,000 infamy? If only half of us were half so good, lol.

Originally Posted by Jimeih

Yep, the balance was way out. Probably a well geared minstrel. I'm guessing the warg doesn't have all his bells and whistles yet? And the rank 1 WL could as well have been there or not. Most of the freep classes if well geared probably would have pulled through that one.

Not yet on the Warg, I'm about 3 skills from where I need to be for good group play. I'm working hard on it though and I'm not giving up.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

"Your reputation on this thread is Extremely Negative.
-More minstrel trolling
-I just want to see your green boxes disappear.
-Multiple threads exist on this topic in multiple places, some of which you have participated in. Trolling."

Sometimes we must sacrifice our reputation for the sake of justice

Justice? haha, I don't see you calling for buffs against the freep classes you can flatten without a challenge.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

2,000 infamy? If only half of us were half so good, lol.

wow rofl, fail me xD HAHA mean rating :P

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

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Translation: I do not want to lose Godmode on my mini!!!!!!!!!!

I shouldn't worry PBK. I posted on mini forums arguing that WS healing needs a nerf, but that melody dps should be buffed (so it becomes an alrounder stance - quite reasonable IMO) but instead of counter arguments I got negative rep from OP huggers ^^.

I get it on the warden forums all the time too when I ask the QQers to either post something useful or shutup. Needless to say all those players who believe wardens are underpowered a the moment (the majority of forum users apparently) don't like to be asked to be reasonable or to spend time trying to work out why they are bad when some of us are anything but.

Anyway on topic: Orion has basically confirmed they are looking into it (a hint posted a while ago).

I do think champ survivability and mini run 'n' gun 'n' massive selfhealing needs balancing. Things like rk healing and warden shield traits are much, much harder because those stances aren't designed with pvp in mind and any nerfs would have serious pve implications.

For me its simple, Cappys in LtC and RKs at full red attunement, how potent is their healing? And look at minstrels who literally have to try to die against anything but the highest ranked creeps due to their insane healing while able to pump out DPS, stuns, and a fear. Not to mention a ridiculous slow.

That said I don't want a nerf for minstrels. What I want are upgraded abilities/mechanics to deal with them. If nothing else there needs to be a nerf on healing in general due to the effects of audacity.

i got facerolled 2day by 3 minis on my r8 warg its just no fun shadow stance ya we do lots of dps but mini flop we cant regain with shadow he comes back we go 2 hell
got 8 k crit from an rk ( crit not dev )

on my freep a r8 spider beat my gaurd and every mele around in that time just by the OP skills they got
85% b/p/e on my combat analyzer that spider did
ps : switched jewe just for him to get my self up 2 7 k finesse 1k agi and he b/p/e 80%
dam wish i can take him tank suraman for me

as i said on my other thread the moors is not balanced atm

any player that have the skills and know how 2 use them on champ mini rk spider warg just pure OPNESS
warg cant beat any of this freeps
spider can beat a champ

mini rk just facerollers for wargs and spiders
champ u can beat with a flayer stance warg witch going back 2 the OP skills not player skills


creep/freep should have the same chance on beating each other not 1 class faceroll everthing or a class that cant beat another coz of the OP skills not the player skills

./salute medo


sry for my english

At least as a guard you only have to worry bout high ranked spiders.

As a reaver I have to worry about every class that has a good player behind it. It's damn near impossible for me to beat anyone that knows how to play their class somewhat competently.

Originally Posted by Netdancer

Rank 4 Warg, Rank 1 WL -beat- on a Minnie for 10 minutes. She did not evade or attempt to dodge beyond her character's BPE - no running, no jumping around, just stood there and yawned at us. Final result? At half health the minnie flopped and lay there until full power and health. Then wiped the floor with us, no sweat.

Something's not right in balance.

Correct my friend.. I had until recently played almost entirely freepside, and saw no need at all to change any class and certainly not any nerf... until a touch of boredom drove me creepside to check things out. I'm nearly rank 7 now on my BA and have to say the minstrel class is astonishing, and a nightmare to go up against.

I've now seen it now on the creeps' side, and can faithfully testify that Mini's are walking nukes. With epic healing and dps all in one single package?? Come on turbine, give us a break! It obliterates any fairness whatsoever out of a fight. No wonder Ettens is currently crawling with Mini's, I probably would as well to glean as much advantage as I could while it lasts.

Even with my freep head on I proclaim this advantage unfair. All I want to see, on either side, is as fair and balanced a fight as possible. I'm not necessarily saying that Mini's need to be nerfed (altho that would be welcomed by all except them I guess), but give creeps some equivalent capacity to counter them, and thus balance the scales. Atm its farm-mode for them.

i NOM minis!! warg insteath pounce dps hips kd=win

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

What would you QQ about next, once minis get 'nerfed'?

Champions of course.

Originally Posted by marlwyn

Yeah just nerf minnies before buffing every freep...PLEaSE

its SO easy nerf, -75% healing in warspeech, no group heals at all, and the 10s tail effect, hell make it 20s!

Yep, you clearly know what you're talking about.

I find your signature ironic after what you just posted.