Thread: Tuning Up My Hunter: Statistics : Give me some feedback =)

Hunter: Eregorm
Server: Brandywine
Kinship: House of Lannister

Armor Set:
- Hood of the Gothrandir
- Jacket of the Gothrandir
- Shoulder Guards of the Gothrandir
- Gloves of the Gothrandir
- Leggings of the Gothrandir
- Boots of the Impossible Shot (Draig) : Working on Seals to complete ToO Set

Cape: Wyrmscale Acrobatics Cloak (Draig)

Jewelry:

Earrings:
- Earrings of the Raging Water (84 agil)(limelight)
-- About a day away from getting kin with limelight to get the empowered vagabond set

Necklace:
- Ancient Moonstone and Aquamarine Necklace (ToO)

Wrists:
- Orc Slavers Bracelet (RoF)(126 Agil)
- Bracer of the Huntsman

Pocket:
- Vagabond Bubble (Limelight)
--Day away from getting empowered

Ring:
- Ring of Conflict Resolution x2

LI's:
- 2nd Age 75's
-- Maxed out all Major and Minor Legacy's
-- Gems
---lvl 70 Remarkables with crafted morale symbols

Dual Wield Weapon:
- Dirge- Writer (61 Vit / 61 Agil)

Class:
- Tome of the Windrider (+141 Power/ -12% Bow Power Costs)

Statistics:
- Agil ( 1,984)
- Vit (459)
- Fate (337)
- Crit (7,048)
- Finesse (7,010)
- Physical Mastery (~24,000)

Questions:
- I went earlier in my 75 Campaign Swapping off and on with stacking Vit with Agil, don't know if I should just keep stacking agil, once i get the full gear set, as well as limelight jewelry set my agil will be over 2,200. Health went from 9K Unbuffed from when I stacked Vit/Agil to barely 7k (~6,500). But my power pool went up from (~2,500) to 3,250.

Suggestions?

Thanks for helping me out =)

Originally Posted by Eregorm

- Boots of the Impossible Shot (Draig) : Working on Seals to complete ToO Set
- Earrings of the Raging Water (84 agil)(limelight)
- Ancient Moonstone and Aquamarine Necklace (ToO)
LI's: ---lvl 70 Remarkables with crafted morale symbols

Boots: No need. Get the Wood-Bound Boots - 122 agi, PMR and some lovely vit. 5-set ToO is fine.
Jewellery: quite a few nice ones, depending on your particular specialisation. Still can't beat Dunlending Archer's Loop for pure DPS increase; the Great River agi one is nice too, as is the Shadowstalker's Stud. If you really want to up your vit and mits for a long fight, the empowered martyr's earring rocks.
Necklace: worth carrying around the Gregolin (Foundry T2) for tac mit bonus.
Wrists: Wristband of the Footpad is a nice all-rounder - 92 agi, 61 vit, 61 fate. I use two of those or one of those and one Huntsman.
Ring: The Empowered Vagabond Ring is a no-brainer. Conflict Resolution is nice (nicer IMO than Riddling Complexity). Also consider the Ring of Potent Venom from RoF T2.

LIs:
I'd go for device of wotsit myself - 20 agi, 540 PMR, 540 crit. Easier ways to get more morale (e.g. two trees runes).

Dual Wield Weapon: I use the Great River hammer. 63 agi, 63 vit, 336 crit, 538 pmr. Used to use Trin-bul.

Regarding stat stacking, I think if your agi is over 2000 then 30 vit is a lot more beneficial than 30 agi. I have various fit-outs, but my average "all-round" one gives me 7.1k morale, 3k power, 28000 PMR, and high mits. For some raids I'd increase tac mit by swapping my teal Orthanc for Gregolin, and swapping my "spare" earring for the empowered anduin one. That'd drop my PMR to around 27k but boost vit to about 750 and tac mits to 6.5k.

You can argue the toss about this, but I say that 1500 DPS for 2 minutes is much better than 2000 DPS for 1 minute...

Interested that you chose Gonathradir; I went Faron.

I usually shot for 6.5k moral 3k power an 32000 physical mastery. It all depends on the fight like if I'm in the moors I change jewelry for about 7.5k moral and if in doing toO t2 I shoot for 9k buffed. Also I go for over2300 agil unbuffed

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

Boots: No need. Get the Wood-Bound Boots - 122 agi, PMR and some lovely vit. 5-set ToO is fine.
Jewellery: quite a few nice ones, depending on your particular specialisation. Still can't beat Dunlending Archer's Loop for pure DPS increase; the Great River agi one is nice too, as is the Shadowstalker's Stud. If you really want to up your vit and mits for a long fight, the empowered martyr's earring rocks.
Necklace: worth carrying around the Gregolin (Foundry T2) for tac mit bonus.
Wrists: Wristband of the Footpad is a nice all-rounder - 92 agi, 61 vit, 61 fate. I use two of those or one of those and one Huntsman.
Ring: The Empowered Vagabond Ring is a no-brainer. Conflict Resolution is nice (nicer IMO than Riddling Complexity). Also consider the Ring of Potent Venom from RoF T2.

LIs:
I'd go for device of wotsit myself - 20 agi, 540 PMR, 540 crit. Easier ways to get more morale (e.g. two trees runes).

Dual Wield Weapon: I use the Great River hammer. 63 agi, 63 vit, 336 crit, 538 pmr. Used to use Trin-bul.

Regarding stat stacking, I think if your agi is over 2000 then 30 vit is a lot more beneficial than 30 agi. I have various fit-outs, but my average "all-round" one gives me 7.1k morale, 3k power, 28000 PMR, and high mits. For some raids I'd increase tac mit by swapping my teal Orthanc for Gregolin, and swapping my "spare" earring for the empowered anduin one. That'd drop my PMR to around 27k but boost vit to about 750 and tac mits to 6.5k.

You can argue the toss about this, but I say that 1500 DPS for 2 minutes is much better than 2000 DPS for 1 minute...

Interested that you chose Gonathradir; I went Faron.

I like the idea, siwtching out a couple jewelry swaps for some vit. Stacking up on some vit, i guess i can spare the agil, right now just hit kind with limelight, got 2094 agil, i might go with one of the marytr 's earring and take a look at the rings. the wood-bound boots drop from where? Yea on the symbol, just need to get mastery so i can craft statue. yet another grind. but worth it in the end.

Gothrandir because i like the CC cooldown, i use bards alot in ToO to fear away mobs so the better the cooldown the more effective i can use it, plus with over 2000k agil, dont really need to add DPS bonus.

Your gear looks really good overall, I don't know why your PM is so low though with that stuff. I'm thinking it must be your relics on your weapons, I'd personally swap all of them for the physical mastery ones. I say that because when I was using similar gear I had closer to 29k PM. It puts your morale kind of low but you can still pull off 6k unbuffed without much trouble. Also I strongly agree about wood-bound boots, there isn't much reason for a 6-piece ToO set. A Gregolin from foundry is really nice too, much better for dps/survivability than the ancient necklace. You also really need to swap off your off-hand, either creoth blade, deadly beleriand dagger, or the rep dagger from I think stangard.

Maybe start working on Faron set too, it's pretty amazing and no reason you can't have 2 sets

Personally I think your gear is quite good.
You will want the full empowered set (ring too, better then conflict resolution, esp with the set bonus)

As for bracelets I think yours is the best pair for hunter damage in the game.
Reasoning is found here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...35#post6074735
Burgs have the same main stat, and if anything crit means more to hunters because the burg has 100% crit chance on some skills, and that means that those skills do not benefit from increased crit.
From his conclusion, 640 crit ~= 840 physical mastery for damage. Increase that slightly for hunters and you get the conclusion that the huntsman is damage-wise equal to 1700+ physical mastery. Plus that nice 55 ICPR helps a good bit.
Now, the two alternatives are the orc slave bracelet (unique) and the footpad wrist. For me, losing 650 crit and 55 icpr is not worth it to wear the footpad (185 morale just does not compensate imho and fate is terrible to stack) Not totally sure on the Orc Slave, but I am liking it at the moment.

Now, as for crafted relics you are missing out on 1100 crit and 1500 physical mastery by having those two +30 vit relics slotted. NOT WORTH IT!

Earrings: Empowered Vagabond and crafted great river (or Dunlending archer if you can get it)

Offhand: I carry two, one is the great river agility axe (iirc its 63 agi 670 PM 88icpr and 330crit) and the other is the morale + PM dagger (670PM, 270 morale, 330 crit, 63 vitality) That way I can trade out 630 PM and 88 icpr for ~470 morale... as the situation demands.
Unbuffed, I typically run between 6-6.5k morale, and 28k or so mastery. (buffed I am around 9k morale with 40% tactical and common mitigation
Neck: I rarely take off Gregolin, as in almost any content where I am getting hit a lot it is tactical damage, and 5% tac mit is worth a lot more then 200 morale (worth 300 morale on a single 6k hit, much more over time, which means I would need at LEAST 300 morale to make me take it off, and even then its a very high-damage necklace) Exception= Dargnahk I swap to my morale neck (Horsemans for 600 morale + avoidance + inc healing)

Relics: I like the true setting and gem, but I certainly understand the argument for dev-mag settings or the gem of hope.
The runes pretty much suck, but the two best options are clearly the true rune or the PM rune: True for morale/ICPR and PM for damage

As others have said getting one of the DPS sets will do a lot for your absolute DPS output, which in a lot of situations in ToO is very useful. One of the most common places I see in people's build where they can add more crit and PM is their relics though.

Personally I am running the same ones in each of my LI's:

True Setting of Ages: Crit, PM and ICPR
Garnet Gem of the Quick Hand: Agi, Crit
Westfold Rune of Power: Lots of PM

For my offhand I use the Sacrificial Dagger, but the Axe that drops from ToO locks 1-3 T2 is better (IMO the best DPS offhand in the game for hunters). Also, if you can get the bracelet from those same locks, it is amazing (134 Agi, Fate, Crit). Also, the new crafted Agi earring is pretty nice, it even added a little bit of morale back into my build, but I would totally use the Draigoch Earring if I can ever get one to drop for a pure DPS build.

I have stuff I flip around with my build, but for the most part I just concentrate on pure PM and crit. In most raid environments I should be getting hit that much (I do trait Tolerance, Fidelity and Zeal all the time though), so I just build for the most damage output possible. This puts me at around 6k morale, just over 32k PM, and around 9300 Crit ... all unbuffed.

Originally Posted by Balagast

As others have said getting one of the DPS sets will do a lot for your absolute DPS output, which in a lot of situations in ToO is very useful. One of the most common places I see in people's build where they can add more crit and PM is their relics though.

Personally I am running the same ones in each of my LI's:

True Setting of Ages: Crit, PM and ICPR
Garnet Gem of the Quick Hand: Agi, Crit
Westfold Rune of Power: Lots of PM

For my offhand I use the Sacrificial Dagger, but the Axe that drops from ToO locks 1-3 T2 is better (IMO the best DPS offhand in the game for hunters). Also, if you can get the bracelet from those same locks, it is amazing (134 Agi, Fate, Crit). Also, the new crafted Agi earring is pretty nice, it even added a little bit of morale back into my build, but I would totally use the Draigoch Earring if I can ever get one to drop for a pure DPS build.

I have stuff I flip around with my build, but for the most part I just concentrate on pure PM and crit. In most raid environments I should be getting hit that much (I do trait Tolerance, Fidelity and Zeal all the time though), so I just build for the most damage output possible. This puts me at around 6k morale, just over 32k PM, and around 9300 Crit ... all unbuffed.

I am definitely trying to get that offhand, it just doesnt drop when i run ToO, and when it does i get beat out by the roll! 0_o. I do like your idea on traits though, ive been more agility themed with mine as well as morale. Resistance as well as PM and crit are something i do need to look into virtue-wise. Iv've also run Draig a million times and not once has that earring dropped! it might be a lost cause haha

Originally Posted by Eregorm

Iv've also run Draig a million times and not once has that earring dropped! it might be a lost cause haha

Story of my life lol, same situation here! The Limlight rep earring and the T2 Roots of Fangorn (126agi or so) earrings are good alternatives though. Not as good but close enough.

Originally Posted by Sephollos

Story of my life lol, same situation here! The Limlight rep earring and the T2 Roots of Fangorn (126agi or so) earrings are good alternatives though. Not as good but close enough.

I havnt seen the RoF ring yet, i have one of the bracelets though and it isnt bad.

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

Boots: No need. Get the Wood-Bound Boots - 122 agi, PMR and some lovely vit. 5-set ToO is fine.
Jewellery: quite a few nice ones, depending on your particular specialisation. Still can't beat Dunlending Archer's Loop for pure DPS increase; the Great River agi one is nice too, as is the Shadowstalker's Stud. If you really want to up your vit and mits for a long fight, the empowered martyr's earring rocks.
Necklace: worth carrying around the Gregolin (Foundry T2) for tac mit bonus.
Wrists: Wristband of the Footpad is a nice all-rounder - 92 agi, 61 vit, 61 fate. I use two of those or one of those and one Huntsman.
Ring: The Empowered Vagabond Ring is a no-brainer. Conflict Resolution is nice (nicer IMO than Riddling Complexity). Also consider the Ring of Potent Venom from RoF T2.

LIs:
I'd go for device of wotsit myself - 20 agi, 540 PMR, 540 crit. Easier ways to get more morale (e.g. two trees runes).

Dual Wield Weapon: I use the Great River hammer. 63 agi, 63 vit, 336 crit, 538 pmr. Used to use Trin-bul.

Regarding stat stacking, I think if your agi is over 2000 then 30 vit is a lot more beneficial than 30 agi. I have various fit-outs, but my average "all-round" one gives me 7.1k morale, 3k power, 28000 PMR, and high mits. For some raids I'd increase tac mit by swapping my teal Orthanc for Gregolin, and swapping my "spare" earring for the empowered anduin one. That'd drop my PMR to around 27k but boost vit to about 750 and tac mits to 6.5k.

You can argue the toss about this, but I say that 1500 DPS for 2 minutes is much better than 2000 DPS for 1 minute...

Interested that you chose Gonathradir; I went Faron.

Took a look at the Martyr rep ring, its good but it also lowers my crit and PM. any other suggestions for a slight vit stack?

Originally Posted by Eregorm

Took a look at the Martyr rep ring, its good but it also lowers my crit and PM. any other suggestions for a slight vit stack?

Switch to Crit+Agi gems. That is what I did. With food and buffs I cap out crit in raids with the rep set and gained quite a bit of mastery.

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

Originally Posted by YesMaam

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

Hey just get an RK to throw Rune Sign on you ... 40k Mastery piece of cake .

Originally Posted by YesMaam

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

2 1st agers?!!! wow... must be nice

Originally Posted by YesMaam

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

what are you stacking for runes on your LI's and what bracelets are those?

Originally Posted by YesMaam

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

Hmm, what's that setup look like unbuffed?

Originally Posted by YesMaam

I am able to get 39k phys mastery with a warden and I'm confident of 40k once I get my 2 clasps. That is my pve build Crit 25%

My moors build is 7400 morale and 2300 agi 7 audacity.

Could you show your LIs as well (moors and non-moors)? Also, are you using cudur set?? And one third question... What do you do for t2 for tact mit (assuming your kin's trying for it occasionally)? Noticed that without all those buffs (in saruman I'm sometimes out of range of IDOME and sometimes have an RK healer instead of minnie) your tact mit must drop pretty low...

@Balagast What's your icpr and tact MIT as well?? I get most of icpr and morale/power from my LI runes, which you chose differently. Curious about the advantages of 540 crit over 250 PM + chunk of icpr

My current DPS setup. For morale/mits I swap in a different necklace, ring, earring, and offhand.

Originally Posted by Bond007

Could you show your LIs as well (moors and non-moors)? Also, are you using cudur set?? And one third question... What do you do for t2 for tact mit (assuming your kin's trying for it occasionally)? Noticed that without all those buffs (in saruman I'm sometimes out of range of IDOME and sometimes have an RK healer instead of minnie) your tact mit must drop pretty low...

@Balagast What's your icpr and tact MIT as well?? I get most of icpr and morale/power from my LI runes, which you chose differently. Curious about the advantages of 540 crit over 250 PM + chunk of icpr

My tactical Mit is around 5600-6000 depending on traits unbuffed. My ICPR is pretty bad though, but it is not an issue in raids with food, cappies, LM's etc. ICPR is probably like 800ish unbuffed.

The crit + Agi is a definite increase in DPS, the only thing you really lose is ICPR.

Originally Posted by Balagast

My tactical Mit is around 5600-6000 depending on traits unbuffed. My ICPR is pretty bad though, but it is not an issue in raids with food, cappies, LM's etc. ICPR is probably like 800ish unbuffed.

The crit + Agi is a definite increase in DPS, the only thing you really lose is ICPR.

getting at the Tac Mit, which i believe is only good for raiding correct? is it worth stackin that, cause mine buffed in a raid is over 3k, and thats 30.8% roughly. On another note, stacking too much agil and crit can be problematic within raids because some tanks arent geared enough to keep holding aggro while im in precision DPS'ing away, which can be annoying at times.

Originally Posted by Eregorm

getting at the Tac Mit, which i believe is only good for raiding correct? is it worth stackin that, cause mine buffed in a raid is over 3k, and thats 30.8% roughly. On another note, stacking too much agil and crit can be problematic within raids because some tanks arent geared enough to keep holding aggro while im in precision DPS'ing away, which can be annoying at times.

Yep, you need decent tactical mit. for a couple fights in ToO. The best way to get it is with a Gregolin from foundry and either the mitigation cloak from pits or one of the pocket items that adds mit. As for aggro, annoying is an understatement lol. But it is better to have that high dps available and not use it all the time than to not be able to do it at all, both because of dps races and because we're, well, dpsers lol. I personally have my full-on dps gear that I use most of the time, but if I'm with a tank who's having trouble with aggro or a fight where I need to take some hits, I'll swap out my jewellery for vit/morale pieces instead.

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Originally Posted by Sephollos

As for aggro, annoying is an understatement lol. But it is better to have that high dps available and not use it all the time than to not be able to do it at all, both because of dps races and because we're, well, dpsers lol. I personally have my full-on dps gear that I use most of the time, but if I'm with a tank who's having trouble with aggro or a fight where I need to take some hits, I'll swap out my jewellery for vit/morale pieces instead.

What most Hunters seem to neglect: That extra PM/Crit will also increase your DPS when you are in Endurance Stance and have the Red Book equipped. Which is what I usually resort to when I have a tank that for whatever reason can not hold aggro against me in Precision Stance.

All stats unbuffed.

Both weapons have the same relics. I just need another 134 agility bracelet (bracelet is from ToO T2).

I have a lvl 75 TA sword with 5 pool A, I know I will never get a FA sword with 5 pool A again, therefore I give FA symbols to my twinks.

For Solo/Moores I can get around 7,2k moral unbuffed, while keeping over 2k agility and 30k physical mastery, but loosing some crit.

Originally Posted by Silmahad

All stats unbuffed.

Both weapons have the same relics. I just need another 134 agility bracelet (bracelet is from ToO T2).

I have a lvl 75 TA sword with 5 pool A, I know I will never get a FA sword with 5 pool A again, therefore I give FA symbols to my twinks.

For Solo/Moores I can get around 7,2k moral unbuffed, while keeping over 2k agility and 30k physical mastery, but loosing some crit.

Great to see you back in the US-Hunter forums, have not seen you around for a while!

Originally Posted by VincentVanPort

Great to see you back in the US-Hunter forums, have not seen you around for a while!

Two and a half month playing SWTOR, only to realize that the grass isn't greener there :-)

Pretty dissapointed by this game. With the exception of a real cool leveling phase with some atmosphere and a nice story, the game felt unfinished, buggy, uncomfortable to play (no scalable UI, bad design of the UI and auction house UI, "jamming" skills, bad responsiveness of skills), not really balanced and somewhat sterile (deserted planets which look like legoland, no day/night shifts, no weather effects, depressing colour mix etc.). At lvl 50 the game changed into a typical WoW-like grind feast and I decided to leave. WoW was a great game I played for over 3 years, but I left because I wanted a change and flee the 24/7 procedure.

After I logged into LotRO again I thought I would become blind because of the colour and detail flash.