Thread: Word of advice - if you're not rolling 7 audacity now, don't PVP till you do

I've tested fighting different creep classes in the 6/6 pre-U6 armor set and with the 3 pieces of new armor set (unseen) against different ranked creeps and outside of greenies, you cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity.

PVE and avoid fights till you can get 7 audacity or be sure to be in a large group or raid till you do.

Am still figuring out this audacity system so sorry for sounding noobish.

If you are a freep with rank 1 audacity and fighting a creep with rank 7 audacity how does that affect the damage the freep can do the creep and vice versa?

Originally Posted by UnlikelyBeing

Am still figuring out this audacity system so sorry for sounding noobish.

If you are a freep with rank 1 audacity and fighting a creep with rank 7 audacity how does that affect the damage the freep can do the creep and vice versa?

Rank 1 Audacity gives you -10% inc. damage.
Rank 7 Audacity gives you -30% inc. damage.

Originally Posted by UnlikelyBeing

Am still figuring out this audacity system so sorry for sounding noobish.

If you are a freep with rank 1 audacity and fighting a creep with rank 7 audacity how does that affect the damage the freep can do the creep and vice versa?

From testing it out, I find, you will do minimal damage while you will receive more damage than your dishing out, so over time you will see your health bar droop and theirs drop very little.

My burg has rank 4 audacity and still feel very squishy. It feels like I lasted much longer pre ud6.

I have noticed less freeps in the moors. It might be the swarm of creeps or they're still doing the new content. I play creep side and the creeps are just questing or rolling over the few brave freeps that venture out.

I hope the pvp isn't dying. It seems like freeps are Losing interest in being zerged on my server.
Wargs are so powerful it's probably over half the creep population.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

I've tested fighting different creep classes in the 6/6 pre-U6 armor set and with the 3 pieces of new armor set (unseen) against different ranked creeps and outside of greenies, you cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity.

PVE and avoid fights till you can get 7 audacity or be sure to be in a large group or raid till you do.

Now i run with 1 audacity and i still kill creeps ^^

Depends on the class you play and what fights you're in. If you're mostly a solo pvper then higher audacity is more of a issue, if not, just keep at it and you'll get the comms eventually.

I mostly solo on my Captain, and I'm not really having any problems... I've been sitting at rank 4 Audacity ever since U6 went live.

Overall the balance feels right now, thought I think Freeps will go back to being heavily overpowered once the average Freep will have rank 5-7 Audacity, as it doesn't reduce healing output at all.

I regularly kill creeps with 4 or more audacity compared to my recent 2 audacity.

Because i am a minstrel i actually run with zero audacity and i kill 12 creeps at a time.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

I've tested fighting different creep classes in the 6/6 pre-U6 armor set and with the 3 pieces of new armor set (unseen) against different ranked creeps and outside of greenies, you cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity.

PVE and avoid fights till you can get 7 audacity or be sure to be in a large group or raid till you do.

Wow really?? "You cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity"....LOL I have Audacity 6 on my black arrow and I still end up losing almost half my health when a burg sneaks up on me. What I am hearing you say is that you dont like the fact you cant almost kill a creep while they are stunned before they recover and start to actually fight back? If you wanted to play like that, then why dont you just play all PVE?

Creeps already have the disadvantage, lower healing output, cant bubble as often, cant change traits or abilities on the fly like freeps can by changing legendary weapons/items. If anything audacity just makes us loose less health and reduce CCs but at the same time any freep can out dps almost any regular ranked creep. If you actually have to struggle to win a 1v1...well that's how it should be.

If you want to feel higher audacity, play with the on-buff(Lan. Call to arms) you will have less incoming dmg. I can typically handle 2-3 mid-ranked creeps in glory with the on-buff. Given this...i'm all bout pumping audacity now.

Originally Posted by aadaboy19

Wow really?? "You cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity"....LOL I have Audacity 6 on my black arrow and I still end up losing almost half my health when a burg sneaks up on me. What I am hearing you say is that you dont like the fact you cant almost kill a creep while they are stunned before they recover and start to actually fight back? If you wanted to play like that, then why dont you just play all PVE?

Creeps already have the disadvantage, lower healing output, cant bubble as often, cant change traits or abilities on the fly like freeps can by changing legendary weapons/items. If anything audacity just makes us loose less health and reduce CCs but at the same time any freep can out dps almost any regular ranked creep. If you actually have to struggle to win a 1v1...well that's how it should be.

No, just kidding, I don't need audacity at all, cause well I play God mode and even store brands can't stop me from destroying creeps in a zerg.

What you're hearing is not what I'm saying.

Thanks for the sage advice, after 4 years of playing creep, I'm pretty clueless about pvp, so your post was really helpful and informative.

Originally Posted by Daec

Because i am a minstrel i actually run with zero audacity and i kill 12 creeps at a time.

I love the sarcasm. Although everyone starts off with a base passive +1 Audacity, even if they're completely naked.

Originally Posted by thatabguy

I love the sarcasm. Although everyone starts off with a base passive +1 Audacity, even if they're completely naked.

No no, as a minstrel i was given the option to give up the automatic rank 1 audacity, i enjoy a challenge.

I don't know whats the shouting about ... I run with rank 1 and I still hit a creep 5K+ on remorseless, 2.5K devs on brutals sometimes but overall I still win ... I'm not actually noticing a difference.

These were on creeps with A 4+

A typical "I'm not going to play if I can't win everything" thread...

Funny how they seem to originate from the same sources over and over again..

1v1s are rare so, this thread is a red herring & prob. deserves deletion....

High audacity healer classes are the only problem I have and I'm still at 1 audacity until I have the 5th piece.

Pure solo. Been out there since pretty much day 1.

Originally Posted by KingOfBlackarrows

A typical "I'm not going to play if I can't win everything" thread...

Funny how they seem to originate from the same sources over and over again..

You've discovered my secret, I am Everborn

Freeps should cap at 3 audacity and creeps 7 :P

Correct me if im wrong (it happens alot), but it seems like this thread is more like a QQ. It sounds like someone misses freep god-mode....

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Correct me if im wrong (it happens alot), but it seems like this thread is more like a QQ. It sounds like someone misses freep god-mode....

God mode, what would you know about it? I was creeping in 2008. Level up your freep while you're waiting to get a clue.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

God mode, what would you know about it? I was creeping in 2008. Level up your freep while you're waiting to get a clue.

You need better gear Mr. agility 1569... 2k agi, over 7k morale, 5+audacity and you will kill creeps easy again...
This update even worse then U5, but still there is some low skilled freep(s) who like crying keep going Turbine will listening you nabs.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

PVE and avoid fights till you can get 7 audacity or be sure to be in a large group or raid till you do.

Exactly

Because fighting against the odds and risking death in PVP is unacceptable

So avoid PVP or just Zerg solos until you are geared up enough to faceroll any opponent

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

God mode, what would you know about it? I was creeping in 2008. Level up your freep while you're waiting to get a clue.

I think I know a good bit about it. I've been destroyed enough on my Blackarrow and seen r10 warleaders getting demolished before u6 to know what a freep in god mode is/looks like. Just because my sig is of a lvl 21 doesnt mean im a noob .

P.S. So, supposedly, I AM wrong. Yet you have failed to explain what you really mean.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Exactly

Because fighting against the odds and risking death in PVP is unacceptable

So avoid PVP or just Zerg solos until you are geared up enough to faceroll any opponent

This basically defines 90% of pvpers in pretty much every mmo out there, including (sadly) lotro.

I've never understood why people don't like dying in mmo pvp. MOBA games etc then suuuuure but mmos? Nothing is more glorious than a bold sacrifice to save a fellow, or a suicidal charge when, with death the only outcome, the thought of claiming a kill overtakes rational thought.


Dunno bout anyone else but I have fun when I pvp! If no one on the opposite side wants to have fun too then I go do something else.

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

This basically defines 90% of pvpers in pretty much every mmo out there, including (sadly) lotro.

I've never understood why people don't like dying in mmo pvp. MOBA games etc then suuuuure but mmos? Nothing is more glorious than a bold sacrifice to save a fellow, or a suicidal charge when, with death the only outcome, the thought of claiming a kill overtakes rational thought.


Dunno bout anyone else but I have fun when I pvp! If no one on the opposite side wants to have fun too then I go do something else.

My Warg has almost 15K deaths at R11

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

I think I know a good bit about it. I've been destroyed enough on my Blackarrow and seen r10 warleaders getting demolished before u6 to know what a freep in god mode is/looks like. Just because my sig is of a lvl 21 doesnt mean im a noob .

P.S. So, supposedly, I AM wrong. Yet you have failed to explain what you really mean.

Those in the know, know, those who don't might down the road.

Your sig don't matter but unless you're claming to be a perma banned slinadyn - this does - Apr 2011

I've been in the moors since 2008 on creep and freep side on several servers. What about you?

You get rolled as a r0 reaver in 2008 by burgs cause you had no maps? You have to EARN infamy not quest for it? You have to grind DP to get skills or TP it? LOL I was playing moors on dailup till 2 years ago. Think before you speak.

Someone get this guy a moors 401k.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

I've tested fighting different creep classes in the 6/6 pre-U6 armor set and with the 3 pieces of new armor set (unseen) against different ranked creeps and outside of greenies, you cannot damage creeps enough before they damage you if you only have 1 audacity.

PVE and avoid fights till you can get 7 audacity or be sure to be in a large group or raid till you do.

On Burg? Really? REALLY? The same Burgs that can still easily hit for 2k+ on Creeps with max audacity and negate all melee damage to themselves for 10s and chain CC most anything into oblivion?

Burg is one class I imagine to be feeling the pain of audacity least of all.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

Those in the know, know, those who don't might down the road.

Your sig don't matter but unless you're claming to be a perma banned slinadyn - this does - Apr 2011

I've been in the moors since 2008 on creep and freep side on several servers. What about you?

You get rolled as a r0 reaver in 2008 by burgs cause you had no maps? You have to EARN infamy not quest for it? You have to grind DP to get skills or TP it? LOL I was playing moors on dailup till 2 years ago. Think before you speak.

If I am as wrong and as noobish (amusing word)/inexperienced as you say I am, then why don't you help me out here:

What do you mean?

I accused you of missing freep-god mode, which may or may not be true, yet you have not denied my accusation nor have you told me what you are really trying to say.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

On Burg? Really? REALLY? The same Burgs that can still easily hit for 2k+ on Creeps with max audacity and negate all melee damage to themselves for 10s and chain CC most anything into oblivion?

Burg is one class I imagine to be feeling the pain of audacity least of all.

Talk to Aldrorious and Juppy or roll a burg yourself, hit the moors and get back to me.

It's 2012 not 2008

Originally Posted by Bels_illuminati

This basically defines 90% of pvpers in pretty much every mmo out there, including (sadly) lotro.

I've never understood why people don't like dying in mmo pvp. MOBA games etc then suuuuure but mmos? Nothing is more glorious than a bold sacrifice to save a fellow, or a suicidal charge when, with death the only outcome, the thought of claiming a kill overtakes rational thought.


Dunno bout anyone else but I have fun when I pvp! If no one on the opposite side wants to have fun too then I go do something else.

One element is the symbolic inference used by the LOTRO designers.

EG; the window to retreat or accept revival is a BIG window. And it uses the word 'defeated'. It might as well say GAME OVER in big red letters, because either-way even the visual after-event is demoralising in a way. The window should be small, no change to black & white, just say 'Out of the fight' or something neutral like that.

Another is that if you die, unless your enemies that you tagged die, you get no reward for the kill. perhaps that should be changed so that even if you don't pop off a skill, but you die in combat, you get half he score of infamy/renown you otherwise would get. That way everybody wins, even if you die in battle without a rez.

Another is rating(stars). Rating should probably be removed from the War-Tab. Ending the stars next to your avatar wasn't enough.

For all the people who didn't pay attention to U6 patch notes:Burg is no longer "god mode".
Audacity halves their CC, so "stun locking" arguments are thrown out the window. That's like saying an LM is OP because he can chain CC. CC diminishes as the fight goes on, and it's halved at the beginning of the fight. Get out of your creep hole and look at things from this guy's view. True, burgs should still have no problem mainly because of their high number of escape skills, but I can see why a person with average gear can see the changes more drastically. For example, 1v1ing burgs is no longer near to impossible. With CC reduced, half their advantage goes away.
Cheer up, get comms and better jewelry, and with audacity you'll do better man.

Originally Posted by Bond007

For all the people who didn't pay attention to U6 patch notes:Burg is no longer "god mode".
Audacity halves their CC, so "stun locking" arguments are thrown out the window. That's like saying an LM is OP because he can chain CC. CC diminishes as the fight goes on, and it's halved at the beginning of the fight. Get out of your creep hole and look at things from this guy's view. True, burgs should still have no problem mainly because of their high number of escape skills, but I can see why a person with average gear can see the changes more drastically. For example, 1v1ing burgs is no longer near to impossible. With CC reduced, half their advantage goes away.
Cheer up, get comms and better jewelry, and with audacity you'll do better man.

The most rational comment in this thread so far ^

Audacity did what it was supposed to Pibb...it slowed the fights, and created more balance. I wouldn't be unhappy about that, it leads to a better PvP system overall. More equality = More challenge! That's a good thing

Also, as a burg, you get more of a chance to pick and choose your targets. If you don't like a target, don't jump it, unless you want that challenge. Only exception is probably wargs spam tracking in packs, but that's a different issue lol

Originally Posted by Bond007

For all the people who didn't pay attention to U6 patch notes:Burg is no longer "god mode".
Audacity halves their CC, so "stun locking" arguments are thrown out the window. That's like saying an LM is OP because he can chain CC. CC diminishes as the fight goes on, and it's halved at the beginning of the fight. Get out of your creep hole and look at things from this guy's view. True, burgs should still have no problem mainly because of their high number of escape skills, but I can see why a person with average gear can see the changes more drastically. For example, 1v1ing burgs is no longer near to impossible. With CC reduced, half their advantage goes away.
Cheer up, get comms and better jewelry, and with audacity you'll do better man.

A reasonably well geared and competent Burg remains godmode.

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

Talk to Aldrorious and Juppy or roll a burg yourself, hit the moors and get back to me.

It's 2012 not 2008

Damage remains tremendous, escape skills are still unparalleled. The fact that CC is halved doesn't mean much, unless you're upset that ganking greenies without pots is less convenient now? The only real thing to upset the status quo on Burg isn't the introduction of Audacity, it is the changes to Wargs and Weavers.

Logged in to my reaver for the first time since the update, last time it looked that bad was B6 Moria. Kinda sad, at least it doesn't bleed power now I guess.

And yes, Burglars are still gods. Don't kid yourselves.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

A reasonably well geared and competent ! Freep ! remains godmode.

fixed this for you ! One could think you say only Burgs are godmode... tsk tsk

I do not feel audacity is near as important for freeps as creeps. While I will admit that at times having 7 audacity would probably have helped, there are more times that my current, PvE armor has saved me/gotten me the kill.

Freeps should be able to still manage without audacity.