Thread: Forced emotes another idea

There is much talk about the forced emotes and to do away with them or to get to toggle them on/off just like sparring requests. Here is a more middle ground idea (or few)

Make them like tasks you get to use 5 (or another low number) times a day max, but no store option to reset. This would be across the board regardless of the emote. Also include class forced emotes with this.

Then add into it that there is a max number that a person may be forced emoted, no matter how many different individuals do the forcing. Say 5 with no store option to increase it.

Finally, make them all have a similar visible 2 second induction and be interruptible by any emote back to the forcer, i.e slap, poke, etc.... This would count toward the limit.

no thank you. I should not have to be harassed for someone elses enjoyment and forced emotes are nothing more then childish griefing.

Forced emotes are a horrible idea no matter how you slice it.

I don't think forced emotes should be limited in use, if you don't want them used on you there should be a toggle, but some of us like them and enjoy throwing them on each other. A friend and I throw them on each other all the time, even in instances. We should have a choice to use them or not to use them, but if we want to use them, especially to grind them for the deeds, we should not be limited to five a day.

For the love of Eru, how many of these threads are really necessary?

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

For the love of Eru, how many of these threads are really necessary?

As many as it takes to get Turbine to wake up and do something about these damnd forced emotes.
Used improperly they are nothing short of player harrassment and griefing and should be dealt with as such.
Used properly they are a fun diversion for many and used in the context of with friends or kn events they should be allowed.

I like the intent of the OPs idea to limit them but feel that those that do not want them used on them at all have the right to be left alone like the Toggle would allow. The ability to do a toggle already exists in game for similar things fellowship Kinship Invites and sparring it would be simple to extend it to forced Emotes.

Limiting the usage in proper cirumstances would not be fair to those that chose to participate and should not be limited so sevearly.

But I do thank the OP for a thought out Idea and not a simple knee Jerk reaction.
If more people would push for a solution something would get done by Turbine.

Limiting the number of forced emotes people can use would be better than no change at all but I'd still prefer an opt-out toggle. I want to not be emoted, not to be emoted less, after all. And I have nothing against the more responsible players getting into emote-fights with their friends. After all, the emotes are intended to be used on good spirit, among friends. The problem is simply that some players prefer to emote whoever happens to be nearby when their cooldown runs off, regardless of what that person is doing or how they may feel about getting emoted.

Originally Posted by NickStern

As many as it takes to get Turbine to wake up and do something about these damnd forced emotes.
Used improperly they are nothing short of player harrassment and griefing and should be dealt with as such.
Used properly they are a fun diversion for many and used in the context of with friends or kn events they should be allowed.

I like the intent of the OPs idea to limit them but feel that those that do not want them used on them at all have the right to be left alone like the Toggle would allow. The ability to do a toggle already exists in game for similar things fellowship Kinship Invites and sparring it would be simple to extend it to forced Emotes.

Limiting the usage in proper cirumstances would not be fair to those that chose to participate and should not be limited so sevearly.

But I do thank the OP for a thought out Idea and not a simple knee Jerk reaction.
If more people would push for a solution something would get done by Turbine.

I'll agree with this. As I said elsewhere. I don't care what emotes other people use. I just don't want my character to react to an emote unless *I* choose to react to it.

It's like several old jokes that would violate CoC if I told them here...

When discussing the limits to how many time one character has to put up with forced emotes in order to be (temporarily?) immune, we are dickering over what the limit is.

Obviously, those that love forced emotes want that number to approach infinity, while those that dislike them want the limit to be set at zero.

Picking a small, finite number will only serve to annoy both camps.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

I'd rather just have an opt out for forced emotes.

At the very least and I mean THE VERY LEAST, I just want to be protected from forced emotes while dancing.

Originally Posted by NickStern

As many as it takes to get Turbine to wake up and do something about these damnd forced emotes.
Used improperly they are nothing short of player harrassment and griefing and should be dealt with as such.
Used properly they are a fun diversion for many and used in the context of with friends or kn events they should be allowed.

I like the intent of the OPs idea to limit them but feel that those that do not want them used on them at all have the right to be left alone like the Toggle would allow. The ability to do a toggle already exists in game for similar things fellowship Kinship Invites and sparring it would be simple to extend it to forced Emotes.

Limiting the usage in proper cirumstances would not be fair to those that chose to participate and should not be limited so sevearly.

But I do thank the OP for a thought out Idea and not a simple knee Jerk reaction.
If more people would push for a solution something would get done by Turbine.

+respect mr stern

Those that enjoy forced emotes have a right to enjoy them and I want them to be able to forced-emote as long as they like until their fingers bleed - but on others who enjoy it - not on me and anyone else who doesn't.
A toggle would serve those for and against forced-emotes so why not promote harmony in the community by allowing us to enjoy the game - whether that means making someone faint - or being immune to forced emotes.

To people who say 'get over it, it's not a big deal' - I say, just because it's not a big deal to you... doesn't mean it's not a big deal. Stop supporting harassment Turbine. Give us a toggle

Originally Posted by goddess22

I don't think forced emotes should be limited in use, if you don't want them used on you there should be a toggle, but some of us like them and enjoy throwing them on each other. A friend and I throw them on each other all the time, even in instances. We should have a choice to use them or not to use them, but if we want to use them, especially to grind them for the deeds, we should not be limited to five a day.

Bump. And yes, what goddess22 said is basically where I am at. Make it a toggle. Let friends do it to each other, or strangers to other strangers who don't mind at the time (or ever, depending). Let it still count for the deeds. No need to limit those who want to use them. Just make it a choice for those who wish to opt out of being forced into them.

Originally Posted by Catisa

forced emotes are nothing more then childish griefing.

this is a childish, and fallacious statement. an emote cannot be a griefer anymore then a baseball bat can be a murderer. please stop spreading misinformation. it only hurts your cause.

I'd like the toggle, too, although most of the time the emotes don't bother me. Usually someone hits once, then stops. No big deal for me. The harasser is the problem.

Another possible improvement to the forced emote would be a possibility of a backfire. For example, every time someone sends an emote, there is a 33% chance it will backfire onto the person using the emote. Might slow it down some.

Your idea sounds like it would take more programing work then a simple toggle. And a toggle would not limit how many times a person can use the emotes just who they can be used on so would have less of an impact on the people who enjoy the forced emotes.

The only reason I can see that people would be against the toggle idea is if they want to use the forced emotes to harrass other players. Since harrassment is against the CoC there should be no reason that it is not implemented. Although the 5 min cool down between emotes has seemed to reduce the majority of the problems with the forced emotes.

Originally Posted by ThistleRose3

The only reason I can see that people would be against the toggle idea is if they want to use the forced emotes to harrass other players.

LOL. Wrong.

A toggle would require extensive investment of developer time and testing. A toggle isn't even desired for the majority of players. It's only desired by a small minority of forum posters. Therefore it would actually hurt lotro for something like this to be made since it would be taking away from development of things the entire playerbase would need.

Originally Posted by enginekid

LOL. Wrong.

A toggle would require extensive investment of developer time and testing. A toggle isn't even desired for the majority of players. It's only desired by a small minority of forum posters. Therefore it would actually hurt lotro for something like this to be made since it would be taking away from development of things the entire playerbase would need.

There is no way you could possibly know how many people actually desire the forced emotes turned off or how long it would even take a developer to create such a toggle for this game.

Your opinion is not fact.

We come to the forums to ask for it, because it's an issue that directly affects our game play. It already hurts LOTRO for us.

Originally Posted by enginekid

LOL. Wrong.

A toggle would require extensive investment of developer time and testing. A toggle isn't even desired for the majority of players. It's only desired by a small minority of forum posters. Therefore it would actually hurt lotro for something like this to be made since it would be taking away from development of things the entire playerbase would need.

You have any sources to back up your assumption of extensive programmer time and quantity of players who want a toggle? Or are you just spreading mis-information (which only hurts your cause, you know).

Originally Posted by UrsaMinor

You have any sources to back up your assumption of extensive programmer time and quantity of players who want a toggle? Or are you just spreading mis-information (which only hurts your cause, you know).

Ursa, the poster you are responding to doesn't seem to want to come around to the compromise of a toggle. He's posted the same lines in various threads. -shrug-

It's up to the developers in the end what they can and cannot do as well as how much time they have. Players are just voicing a desire for a choice on this. The developers have made choices to spend time on things that most players do not care about (new looks for hobbits in the Shire, environmental tweaks that are noticed by some but not most, little touches those who explore Middle Earth or lore buffs might appreciate). So someone out there is willing to put time into things that are for love of the game, not for making money or because a majority of players demand it. This is appreciated by me, at least. Also, there is already an area effect called Serious Business that has been implemented in the Ale Hall for example, which nullifies emotes. Who knows, maybe they can tweak that status into a toggle, maybe not.

The point is that people desire a toggle, and it will be up to the developers whether they have the ability and resources to make one. I don't mind forced emotes when goofing off with friends, or even strangers in some cases. I've had some fun emote-offs ending in a laugh, bow and a wave on both ends. However, I see no need to force another player or their character, to do anything. Emotes included. A toggle is a good compromise: those who don't like it, toggle off. Everyone else can still have their fun while accomplishing their deeds. Peace.

Originally Posted by enginekid

A toggle would require extensive investment of developer time and testing.

That *may* be correct. If it is, then the cheaper alternative would be to remove forced emotes from the game.

A toggle isn't even desired for the majority of players.

Do you have a statistically valid survey supporting that opinion?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

the only valid complaint about these emotes that ive seen is that they do interupt other emotes, but they have zero effect on anything else people do.

so a simple solution, dont let emotes interupt other emotes.

and thats it.

so no dancing interruptions which is the only "grief" these animations ever had the power to interfere with in the first place.

Lol

I predicted half of the responses in the thread without even looking at them.

Do we really need another thread on this subject?

I would also promote an opt-out skills for emotes, that way those who like it can keep it, and those who don't like it don't have to be bothered with it.

It would reduce the arguing/raging on both sides, and I myself prefer when everybody gets along.

Originally Posted by whheydt

Do you have a statistically valid survey supporting that opinion?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Yup, our brains have surveyed these forums for years. And there are hundreds of thousands of active Lotro players in this game. And there have only been maybe 30-100 lotro players asking for a toggle.

So, yup.

Originally Posted by Frith_of_Dale

the only valid complaint about these emotes that ive seen is that they do interupt other emotes, but they have zero effect on anything else people do.

so a simple solution, dont let emotes interupt other emotes.

and thats it.

so no dancing interruptions which is the only "grief" these animations ever had the power to interfere with in the first place.

this is an excellent, rational idea.

It isn't really a festival in LOTRO until there's a thread or two complaining about the consumable emotes on the forums. Hehe.

Let the party begin! : D

Originally Posted by enginekid

Yup, our brains have surveyed these forums for years. And there are hundreds of thousands of active Lotro players in this game. And there have only been maybe 30-100 lotro players asking for a toggle.

So, yup.

What part of "statistically valid" escaped your attention?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by enginekid

this is an excellent, rational idea.

I see, so programming development time to put in a check to see if an emote is already active, and squelch the forced emote, is a rational use of resources. But, according to you, programming development time to put in a check to see if a toggle is active, and squelch the forced emote, would require extensive time and testing.

That makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Bragor_Sul

+respect mr stern

Those that enjoy forced emotes have a right to enjoy them and I want them to be able to forced-emote as long as they like until their fingers bleed - but on others who enjoy it - not on me and anyone else who doesn't.
A toggle would serve those for and against forced-emotes so why not promote harmony in the community by allowing us to enjoy the game - whether that means making someone faint - or being immune to forced emotes.

To people who say 'get over it, it's not a big deal' - I say, just because it's not a big deal to you... doesn't mean it's not a big deal. Stop supporting harassment Turbine. Give us a toggle

Completely agree with this. I may like some goofyness myself, but when i am in a RP or busy mood, i dont want someone just messing up with what i am doing.

PS. check the recent topic about emotes in Shrew stomp are to see, what a mess that may become unchecked...

Originally Posted by enginekid

Yup, our brains have surveyed these forums for years. And there are hundreds of thousands of active Lotro players in this game. And there have only been maybe 30-100 lotro players asking for a toggle.

So, yup.

And there is about 1-10 people who are opposed to idea. Your point?

Originally Posted by enginekid

this is a childish, and fallacious statement. an emote cannot be a griefer anymore then a baseball bat can be a murderer. please stop spreading misinformation. it only hurts your cause.

Griefer works for me although Nuisancer would be just as accurate. I have lost count of the number of times that I have "fainted" through forced emote, especially in Moria and Bree. It has been better the last few months, but with schools letting out (at least in the US) I foresee it raising it's head again this summer. No it is not along the lines of ninja looting or RQing on a fellowship, but it is an annoyance that gets old, FAST. I think that the intent is different than a true old fashioned griefer from back in the day but why have to put up it at all?


edit: Of course they could alway do this, my personal favorite: http://digg.com/news/story/Online_MM..._as_punishment

Uh oh

Originally Posted by jtracy1

edit: Of course they could alway do this, my personal favorite: http://digg.com/news/story/Online_MM..._as_punishment

Wikipedia has an interesting write-up on that game, and it should be a real eye opener for those that think Turbine isn't doing a proper job of working on LoTRO.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

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