Thread: Any Groups?

Hey guys, this goes for the freepys and the creepys.....

Just to satisfy my curiosity....

Why doesn't anyone want to group up? It happens when I am on my creep or on my freep. It is very rare that anyone wants to group. Is there a preferable day/night of the week. Usually when I ask in OOC all I get are crickets..... Are there other channels that I should be using?


Should I take the overwhelming silence as a "get out of my pvmp zone NOOB!!!"

I don't see this being a problem in creepside but it is very much so on freepside. I would like to see freeps grouping up more, I understand kin-organized groups most of the time don't want any outside help but if you go to the moors solo you should be looking to join a group, any group. For creeps, I can count the people I group with in one hand. I know wargs usually do their own thing, then there is shak and his people and greenies... I like it this way because if creeps were to all group up freeps would go completely extinct.

Nobody likes anyone. Not even on the same side. Plus there's too many baddies roaming around but they usually group up.

My assumption is that it is a zone for players to try their skills against other players. I don't mind going out solo and becoming warg food.... I was just wondering if I am getting on at the wrong times. I know that every time I get on the map is all red

Originally Posted by gabriele300

if creeps were to all group up freeps would go completely extinct.

This is very true. It's also true that freeps don't group up. Not sure why but it is weird. Even weirder is the perception that all the freeps do is group up/raid up and zerg. It's just not that way and has not been that way in a while now.

I'm not saying anything contradictory to the truth that any single freep is OP compared to the vast majority of any single creep but.....to do well against a group of creeps it's not like it was pre U6, especially if it's a coordinated creep group with healing. You need to coordinate and have healing on freepside now. Very cool.

Fwiw Easie very few people get an answer when they zone in and ask in OOC if there is anything going on, at least i rarely ever get a response. Some of it is because if there is some nice small group fighting happening then no one wants to call that out or it will be ruined, I know I feel that way. Most won't call out a solo creep. Some of it is probably based on the fact that you can if you want to, flip from one side to the other ad nauseum so unless it's ppl that know you or are in the process of getting zerg-rolled you are probably not going to get an answer. Not just you, anyone, don't take that personally.

Hi Easie sorry for the wall text and my bad english

Let me tell you when i start to come to moors i did it traited for aggro and with a shield, of course i didnt have any idea of anything and was very funny to see me chasing creeps doing almost nothing of damage and running like crazy for all the place for nothing haha, it was a time when you could saw large groups of hunters and rk fighting creeps almost all the day in OC or lug rez and a blue map almost all the day.

Like i said i have no idea of anything so i start to ask questions and stuff to understand... almost nobody answer haha the occ freep always have been used to rage against somebody or for something.

There was a lot of small kin groups that rage if you follow them and call you a leecher just for being a noob hehe, at the begining the moors was a place very hostile for me and i didnt understand why the people get so mad for everything.
For example you can see people that didnt help you if you have npc on you, or never heal you or rez you, even if you can help or the burgs that let you do the dirty work and then come steal a kb and disappear instead of stay and help you.
Idk how to say it without sound bad... but the moors is a place full of ego and crazy people fighting each other even on the same side to be the best to somebody that probably you never meet in your life in an imaginary online world lol.

Concerning the group thing, in the time i start to play, Eriaden a lore master was a good freep leader and some times he make some really nice groups, then i see Istaridor another LM, and later Shandor and Ishbal directing groups too and of course Heston and Blackhawk

Is easy to blame a certain freep for lead a group and do it good or bad, or be a zergball or ezomder faceroller or whatever thing that people like to use.. but is really hard to lead and thats is why you dont see big groups going on lately and also you see the map all red all day because this leaders are not playing and the most part of the freeps that are use to play in groups are playng creep since they have more numbers all the day just to farm commendations and then appear with his freep with the new armor complete

When i finnaly understand more the moors dinamic and play style i start to try to run alone (that was when i get rank 4) because i get bored of the raid vs raid fight cause me shieldwalling somebody all the time (is not fun to stay in a place and recive damage without doing anything else) or the fights being on the same place all day.

Running solo can be very funny because you never know what you can find and is a very good chance to learn how to play better your clase since you push more than 2 or 3 buttons.
6 month ago before i quit the game i could find lots of good fights around the map, but now almost all the 1v1ers are transfered to another server and the fights are always on Gv hill or Ec so is pretty weird to find something away of the main areas.

My advice to you is try to run solo, if that doesnt work try to join a small group is way better that play in a raid.
I will invite you if you want but is weird if i can get more than a duo, i fight to the death and usually push when nobody does and die a lot but have good kills, so my playstyle is a little odd... with time you wanna see that the people get really mad if they die 1 or 2 times hahaha.

I think not grouping on Freep side stems from a few things, Silverlode has lost most of it's raid leaders to other servers or possibly frustration from the constant attacks from both sides that people in that position tend to come under. It has been a long time since I have seen a freep raid leader that doesn't end up under attack, I have to imagine that would be a major deterrent for new people to step into a raid leader role out in the moors on SL. Another reason I think is because freeps were so overpowered that if you got too big of a group or too organized the creeps really didn't have much of a chance especially since there were a ton of greenies just trying to get to the point of being even remotely viable out there. I know that I am one of the offenders of not grouping, I tend to stick with my small group of kin members that are out when I do get a chance to go and have found that I enjoy small group stuff more but since the server is relatively small it doesn't always work out well. 99% of the time everyone fights in the same spot whether they are grouped or not and one side or the other ends up pushed back into a keep, if you do ride around in a small group away from the big group the only thing you ever really find are poor greenies trying to quest.

I'm not sure what the answer is to this, but if you see me around just shoot me a tell I'd be happy to group with you (fair warning though I am like Elda and I like to fight to the death, most times that ends up being my death, but it is fun to push yourself to see what you can pull off).

Originally Posted by Ghosttaker

This is very true. It's also true that freeps don't group up. Not sure why but it is weird. Even weirder is the perception that all the freeps do is group up/raid up and zerg. It's just not that way and has not been that way in a while now.

I'm not saying anything contradictory to the truth that any single freep is OP compared to the vast majority of any single creep but.....to do well against a group of creeps it's not like it was pre U6, especially if it's a coordinated creep group with healing. You need to coordinate and have healing on freepside now. Very cool.

Group v group freeps still have an advantage. The problem is that there are hardly any freeps in this server that know what they are doing. Have you seen a mini healing in the past month? Yea me neither. On the other hand, some rk was healing today and I found him pretty annoying which means he was probably doing a good job. If freeps balanced their groups (tanky dps, glass cannons, heals, buffs/debuffs) they would destroy any other creep group.

Thanks for the replies. I understand keeping the groups small. I usually do start off soloing, I'm used to it, did it for 75 levels I don't get a lot of play time so usually I will give it between 7-10 deaths after asking for groups before I go work on alts. I will usually stick it out and die. Sometimes I try to run when i am greatly outnumbered(which is most of the time) but usually it is useless. I take more damage and die faster running away so might as well stick around and hope I get lucky it is just a game. Either way, i hope to see you guys out there whether you are keeping me well acquainted with the Rez circle or helping me stay out of it.

Bascially Silverlode is bad.

Elda and Gabies come to Ridder on creeps! I miss you.


<3

The issue with groups is that there are no leaders. Even when most of the good freeps and creeps were still here, there were no leaders freepside. The thing with this server is that everyone is grouped up, but not in groups if you know what I mean. Basically everyone hangs around stab and follows each other around but are rarely coordinated. There used to be a few solo freeps who would roam around such as myself, but there really arent any anymore. Even when coming down from the rez, freeps wait for 2 or 3 others to follow so that they dont get attacked by a warg.

The point is.. dont do drugs kids

.. and also this server sucks and i dont have enough money to xfer my warg so i am a sad panda

~Kazniir/Dogwillhunt

Originally Posted by N8R8R

I take more damage and die faster running away so might as well stick around and hope I get lucky it is just a game.

This is the way I've always played and I wished there were more that did. You will always hear that the other side is hugging npcs, but the truth is both sides do it every day. You don't lose anything from dying and it is just easier to kill you while running away. If you fight back, you might actually get a kill before you die.

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

Originally Posted by Eldacarion

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

No Elda! I just got back and you are leaving?

Easie, anytime you want to go to the moors send me a tell. I haven't really led groups since me and Shandor used to run raids, freeps haven't really raided much lately. However, me and Eruryn like to small group out there and it would be fun for you to come with. I am just coming back from a long break so sorry for not being out much.

Originally Posted by Eldacarion

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

Elda... It was not my intention to drive anyone away. I only grouped with you once to my knowledge and you said you just started playing again. Selfishly, I would rather you stick with slode so there are more on the freep side, but it is a game and if you arent having fun its not worth playing...
I received some in-game instruction as to how infamy/renown/commendations are divided up.(I didn't know it was much the same as exp kills in pve) it does make more sense to keep groups small, especially if the other side is running with fewer numbers. Leaderless, it seems we falter... Not sure how to answer that as I have no idea what I am doing and would be a horrible leader :/

Originally Posted by Eldacarion

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

No!! transfer to BW! we still need good guards

~Kazniir/Dogwillhunt

If everyone just played to win and stopped playing to not die, everything would be fine.

I know that I for one tend not to group up with more than 6 people, simply because I don't like that kind of play style. I raided a lot on my hunter when I started out in the moors, but over time I began to realize that it's simply not what I enjoy out there.

I much prefer to go where I want to and not in the normal places raids go to fight, and that's sometimes off the beaten path. I also find that 2v2 and 2v3 fights are far more dynamic and fun than 6v6 or 12v12. I don't have anything against folks that raid, if you like it, that's great! I just know from experience what I enjoy in the moors, and wanted to explain why I tend to not raid up.

Originally Posted by Eldacarion

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

NOOOOOOOO. please dont leave Elda. You, Doro, Drude, and Nannu, are the only ones that will make the fights interesting. Without y'all it will be a stalemate!!!! Yes. Pvp sucks here but without you and the other Latinos (if they xfer) this server will go to the crapper and then everyone will have to leave.

Originally Posted by Aronath

No!! transfer to BW! we still need good guards

~Kazniir/Dogwillhunt

Edal and Cil, come to BW!!!
I'm so sick of noobs

Originally Posted by Feathalion

Edal and Cil, come to BW!!!
I'm so sick of noobs

Aw, Laer, it's nice to feel wanted! Unfortunately I love my kin more than pvmp, but maybe I'll roll a creep on BW to provide some cannon fodder for you guys.

Hope the odds stay in your favor over there!

Unless it has changed since I was on creep side last (pre-RoI) then it was the same for both sides. Once you have been around for a while and proven yourself and gotten to know a few people (more from luck than from anything special) then you start finding all of the groups. Until then it is either noob-groups (those put together by someone who is either so bad they can't get in a group or has limited play time in PvP and shouldn't be leading a raid), or the lucky time you find some decently ranked and experienced player who is willing to invite those new faces into his group. Many people are turned off by the fact that they either can't get a group, or all of the groups they can get in suck. Just keep playing for a while, eventually you will find your way into the PvmPer community.

It is sad to see that both sides are quite elitist and basically refuse to invite anyone that has the possibility of being a noob, but I do see where they get it. Those that don't follow direction and are constantly elsewhere when the fight start only drop infamy/renown gain.

The best bet... If you want in prove that you can stay with the group and follow directions/follow target assists. That is pretty much all it takes to get into most of the various groups.

Originally Posted by slflew

Aw, Laer, it's nice to feel wanted! Unfortunately I love my kin more than pvmp, but maybe I'll roll a creep on BW to provide some cannon fodder for you guys.

Hope the odds stay in your favor over there!

Lol BotRH still! Roll a creep and join my tribe! You can run around with a warg called Rainbowbubbles hahahaha. Tell Caje Rinen transferred from Arkenstone! I miss you all <3

Have you been reading/watching The Hunger Games!

Originally Posted by rogeZ

It is sad to see that both sides are quite elitist and basically refuse to invite anyone that has the possibility of being a noob, but I do see where they get it. Those that don't follow direction and are constantly elsewhere when the fight start only drop infamy/renown gain.

It's not just that. From my last few months on Slode before I transferred---if freeps made a group, the creeps will log. I was duo-ing with a captain friend, and pretty much just getting zerged and farmed all day. People are afraid to die, the most action was just trying to take a keep in order to tell creeps that there can be PvP if they just come out and find us. It was just awful running around for half an hour and not really encountering anyone else who was solo or small grouped.
Guess it's better now that those zerglings transferred to BW also... >.<

Originally Posted by Eldacarion

To the hell i am out, i am going to transfer to Elendimir, slode is way to bad and i am tired, very tired and very very bored is all the day the same thing, is almost impossible to make the people change his way to play.

I just need to start to farm tp or wait for GW2 and play another game, the p2win thing have make people even more coward than before.

Sorry to see you leave. I enjoyed fighting you. Hope that you find greener pastures!

Originally Posted by mphunk

Sorry to see you leave. I enjoyed fighting you. Hope that you find greener pastures!

Eldacarion. I have never seen even a hint of fear or hesitation in you. You are a great guardian! If you must go, know that you will be missed.

Groups. Here are some (rambling) thoughts about groups...

Why group?
This is too complex, let me break it down into two categories: 'why be in a pug' and 'why be in a group with friends'

Why be in a pug (pick up group)?
Potentially somewhat safer. Easier to let others make the strategic decisions, and even the tactical ones to some degree. More kills, potentially less deaths. People can show you things that you didn't know, and often there is useful chatter about this or that; how to use a particular skill (or when not to), and other game related information. If you are experienced, you can have the satisfaction of helping teach people how to survive, etc. Players do need to learn how to group, and if the conditions aren't too frustrating, a PUG can be a great way to start to show them. If your opponents are organized (e.g. can focus their fire), sometimes the choice is: be very ineffective on your own, or be in a group.

Why not be in a pug?
PUGs are hard to manage. Really. It is a huge stress to lead a raid. There is too much to keep track of, and everyone is counting on you to make the best decisions you can. PUG members are often very inexperienced, and might not understand the importance of things like the raid assist window, or having their group audio turned on. People wander off, meaning that if you have twelve people, but six have wandered away for whatever reason, it is easy to think that you have more power available than you actually have. Inexperienced pug members not only get themselves killed, they get others killed who are trying to rescue them. On creepside, newer players won't have most of their maps, reducing the mobility of a group greatly. Inexperienced players often aggro NPCs needlessly. All this can range from being a hassle up to being self-destructively deadly, both for the leader of the group and everyone else involved as well.
PUG groups tend to have people who don't listen to instruction well. I can't count the number of times i have heard the leader say "Attack so-and-so". five seconds later i notice that i am the only one that actually attacked that target (usually 5 seconds later i am dead dead dead, looking like the fool who ran up alone to make the attack). It is frustrating to lose a battle because people didn't listen.
Often in PUGs, there are talkers; people who are babbling about whatever. This can be fine during casual moments, but some people just go on and on, even during a battle when you are trying to call out the best target. Note that the leader can mute them, but of course, so few people like to speak during a raid that it is unfortunate to have to mute someone who actually talks!
There are many different leader styles as well. It is possible to find yourself in a group with people who have a very different philosophy or approach, which can be awkward or cause confusion and coordination issues.

(Additionally, on creepside, as a warg it is especially hard to be in a PUG because if one member of the group has an NPC aggro'd, you won't be able to re-activate stealth, which is a very dangerous (and frustrating) condition to be in for minutes on end).

Why be in a group with friends?
Fun times. When you all know each other, you know where others are going to be. A group of friends operates like a potent machine. I have been in groups of six that were as effective or more effective (against the same opponents) than a full PUG raid.

Why not group with friends?
When you operate alone, you get greatly increased infamy on kills you are involved in (likely less kills overall though). It is quiet, no one talks when you are alone. Sometimes it is nice to not have discussions or directions and just operate on your own.


The grouping conundrum.
A low ranking person is likely inexperienced in the moors, and feel that they need to be in a group to survive. Due to the factors above, they are less likely to be invited to a group. A high ranking person is less likely to feel that they need to be in a group to survive, but more likely to be invited to a group. haha. hard to win unless you can overcome the group barrier...

Overcoming the barriers.
You are new, you aren't known. What to do? First, and likely counter intuitively, don't OOC "Any groups?": that always has the hint of desperation. Find out what's what first. Locate the action (hint: also don't OOC "where's the action?", if you have been in the moors more than twice, you should be able to tell where likely action is at, just by looking at the color-state of the ettinmoors map - the moors is a pretty small place).
Where the action is there will be opponents and allies. Jump in. Help out. Pitch in! Don't ask to be included, just get your slice of the pie. Don't be rude and gather up a bunch of NPC hits at the expense of the nearby allies. Even though not in a group, you will still get some of the safety benefits of being near them (yes, stay near your allies). If you encounter frustrating situations that you can't figure out, try it a few times before asking for help. For example, if wargs keep killing you when you leave the rez circle before you can get near protective allies, try going different directions to out-maneuver them. If that doesn't work after a couple of attempts, then explain what is going on in OOC, but don't beg for help, just ask advice about how to handle it.
After a few PvMP sessions, people will recognize you a bit better. They will know that you don't whine in OOC incessantly (don't whine in OOC at all). If you are nearby, they will invite you in. It is fine if you acknowledge that you are relatively new and that any advice would be helpful. Use your audio to hear raid activities, your raid assist window to select the right targets, and follow your leader's instructions. You will quickly be deemed an asset, and invited to groups often.

Freepside: Be sure to subscribe to the glff channel (global looking for fellowship). Often times, groups in the moors that are in trouble will broadcast on this channel asking for help. Be a hero, join them and come kill me

Originally Posted by Feathalion

Edal and Cil, come to BW!!!
I'm so sick of noobs

I agree with this

Originally Posted by gafroh

Groups. Here are some (rambling) thoughts about groups...

Why group?
This is too complex, let me break it down into two categories: 'why be in a pug' and 'why be in a group with friends'

Why be in a pug (pick up group)?
Potentially somewhat safer. Easier to let others make the strategic decisions, and even the tactical ones to some degree. More kills, potentially less deaths. People can show you things that you didn't know, and often there is useful chatter about this or that; how to use a particular skill (or when not to), and other game related information. If you are experienced, you can have the satisfaction of helping teach people how to survive, etc. Players do need to learn how to group, and if the conditions aren't too frustrating, a PUG can be a great way to start to show them. If your opponents are organized (e.g. can focus their fire), sometimes the choice is: be very ineffective on your own, or be in a group.

Why not be in a pug?
PUGs are hard to manage. Really. It is a huge stress to lead a raid. There is too much to keep track of, and everyone is counting on you to make the best decisions you can. PUG members are often very inexperienced, and might not understand the importance of things like the raid assist window, or having their group audio turned on. People wander off, meaning that if you have twelve people, but six have wandered away for whatever reason, it is easy to think that you have more power available than you actually have. Inexperienced pug members not only get themselves killed, they get others killed who are trying to rescue them. On creepside, newer players won't have most of their maps, reducing the mobility of a group greatly. Inexperienced players often aggro NPCs needlessly. All this can range from being a hassle up to being self-destructively deadly, both for the leader of the group and everyone else involved as well.
PUG groups tend to have people who don't listen to instruction well. I can't count the number of times i have heard the leader say "Attack so-and-so". five seconds later i notice that i am the only one that actually attacked that target (usually 5 seconds later i am dead dead dead, looking like the fool who ran up alone to make the attack). It is frustrating to lose a battle because people didn't listen.
Often in PUGs, there are talkers; people who are babbling about whatever. This can be fine during casual moments, but some people just go on and on, even during a battle when you are trying to call out the best target. Note that the leader can mute them, but of course, so few people like to speak during a raid that it is unfortunate to have to mute someone who actually talks!
There are many different leader styles as well. It is possible to find yourself in a group with people who have a very different philosophy or approach, which can be awkward or cause confusion and coordination issues.

(Additionally, on creepside, as a warg it is especially hard to be in a PUG because if one member of the group has an NPC aggro'd, you won't be able to re-activate stealth, which is a very dangerous (and frustrating) condition to be in for minutes on end).

Why be in a group with friends?
Fun times. When you all know each other, you know where others are going to be. A group of friends operates like a potent machine. I have been in groups of six that were as effective or more effective (against the same opponents) than a full PUG raid.

Why not group with friends?
When you operate alone, you get greatly increased infamy on kills you are involved in (likely less kills overall though). It is quiet, no one talks when you are alone. Sometimes it is nice to not have discussions or directions and just operate on your own.


The grouping conundrum.
A low ranking person is likely inexperienced in the moors, and feel that they need to be in a group to survive. Due to the factors above, they are less likely to be invited to a group. A high ranking person is less likely to feel that they need to be in a group to survive, but more likely to be invited to a group. haha. hard to win unless you can overcome the group barrier...

Overcoming the barriers.
You are new, you aren't known. What to do? First, and likely counter intuitively, don't OOC "Any groups?": that always has the hint of desperation. Find out what's what first. Locate the action (hint: also don't OOC "where's the action?", if you have been in the moors more than twice, you should be able to tell where likely action is at, just by looking at the color-state of the ettinmoors map - the moors is a pretty small place).
Where the action is there will be opponents and allies. Jump in. Help out. Pitch in! Don't ask to be included, just get your slice of the pie. Don't be rude and gather up a bunch of NPC hits at the expense of the nearby allies. Even though not in a group, you will still get some of the safety benefits of being near them (yes, stay near your allies). If you encounter frustrating situations that you can't figure out, try it a few times before asking for help. For example, if wargs keep killing you when you leave the rez circle before you can get near protective allies, try going different directions to out-maneuver them. If that doesn't work after a couple of attempts, then explain what is going on in OOC, but don't beg for help, just ask advice about how to handle it.
After a few PvMP sessions, people will recognize you a bit better. They will know that you don't whine in OOC incessantly (don't whine in OOC at all). If you are nearby, they will invite you in. It is fine if you acknowledge that you are relatively new and that any advice would be helpful. Use your audio to hear raid activities, your raid assist window to select the right targets, and follow your leader's instructions. You will quickly be deemed an asset, and invited to groups often.

Freepside: Be sure to subscribe to the glff channel (global looking for fellowship). Often times, groups in the moors that are in trouble will broadcast on this channel asking for help. Be a hero, join them and come kill me

Nice write up

Originally Posted by gafroh

Groups. Here are some (rambling) thoughts about groups...

Why group?
This is too complex, let me break it down into two categories: 'why be in a pug' and 'why be in a group with friends'

Why be in a pug (pick up group)?
Potentially somewhat safer. Easier to let others make the strategic decisions, and even the tactical ones to some degree. More kills, potentially less deaths. People can show you things that you didn't know, and often there is useful chatter about this or that; how to use a particular skill (or when not to), and other game related information. If you are experienced, you can have the satisfaction of helping teach people how to survive, etc. Players do need to learn how to group, and if the conditions aren't too frustrating, a PUG can be a great way to start to show them. If your opponents are organized (e.g. can focus their fire), sometimes the choice is: be very ineffective on your own, or be in a group.

Why not be in a pug?
PUGs are hard to manage. Really. It is a huge stress to lead a raid. There is too much to keep track of, and everyone is counting on you to make the best decisions you can. PUG members are often very inexperienced, and might not understand the importance of things like the raid assist window, or having their group audio turned on. People wander off, meaning that if you have twelve people, but six have wandered away for whatever reason, it is easy to think that you have more power available than you actually have. Inexperienced pug members not only get themselves killed, they get others killed who are trying to rescue them. On creepside, newer players won't have most of their maps, reducing the mobility of a group greatly. Inexperienced players often aggro NPCs needlessly. All this can range from being a hassle up to being self-destructively deadly, both for the leader of the group and everyone else involved as well.
PUG groups tend to have people who don't listen to instruction well. I can't count the number of times i have heard the leader say "Attack so-and-so". five seconds later i notice that i am the only one that actually attacked that target (usually 5 seconds later i am dead dead dead, looking like the fool who ran up alone to make the attack). It is frustrating to lose a battle because people didn't listen.
Often in PUGs, there are talkers; people who are babbling about whatever. This can be fine during casual moments, but some people just go on and on, even during a battle when you are trying to call out the best target. Note that the leader can mute them, but of course, so few people like to speak during a raid that it is unfortunate to have to mute someone who actually talks!
There are many different leader styles as well. It is possible to find yourself in a group with people who have a very different philosophy or approach, which can be awkward or cause confusion and coordination issues.

(Additionally, on creepside, as a warg it is especially hard to be in a PUG because if one member of the group has an NPC aggro'd, you won't be able to re-activate stealth, which is a very dangerous (and frustrating) condition to be in for minutes on end).

Why be in a group with friends?
Fun times. When you all know each other, you know where others are going to be. A group of friends operates like a potent machine. I have been in groups of six that were as effective or more effective (against the same opponents) than a full PUG raid.

Why not group with friends?
When you operate alone, you get greatly increased infamy on kills you are involved in (likely less kills overall though). It is quiet, no one talks when you are alone. Sometimes it is nice to not have discussions or directions and just operate on your own.


The grouping conundrum.
A low ranking person is likely inexperienced in the moors, and feel that they need to be in a group to survive. Due to the factors above, they are less likely to be invited to a group. A high ranking person is less likely to feel that they need to be in a group to survive, but more likely to be invited to a group. haha. hard to win unless you can overcome the group barrier...

Overcoming the barriers.
You are new, you aren't known. What to do? First, and likely counter intuitively, don't OOC "Any groups?": that always has the hint of desperation. Find out what's what first. Locate the action (hint: also don't OOC "where's the action?", if you have been in the moors more than twice, you should be able to tell where likely action is at, just by looking at the color-state of the ettinmoors map - the moors is a pretty small place).
Where the action is there will be opponents and allies. Jump in. Help out. Pitch in! Don't ask to be included, just get your slice of the pie. Don't be rude and gather up a bunch of NPC hits at the expense of the nearby allies. Even though not in a group, you will still get some of the safety benefits of being near them (yes, stay near your allies). If you encounter frustrating situations that you can't figure out, try it a few times before asking for help. For example, if wargs keep killing you when you leave the rez circle before you can get near protective allies, try going different directions to out-maneuver them. If that doesn't work after a couple of attempts, then explain what is going on in OOC, but don't beg for help, just ask advice about how to handle it.
After a few PvMP sessions, people will recognize you a bit better. They will know that you don't whine in OOC incessantly (don't whine in OOC at all). If you are nearby, they will invite you in. It is fine if you acknowledge that you are relatively new and that any advice would be helpful. Use your audio to hear raid activities, your raid assist window to select the right targets, and follow your leader's instructions. You will quickly be deemed an asset, and invited to groups often.

Freepside: Be sure to subscribe to the glff channel (global looking for fellowship). Often times, groups in the moors that are in trouble will broadcast on this channel asking for help. Be a hero, join them and come kill me

Thank You. This was quite helpful.

Originally Posted by gafroh

Why be in a group with friends?
Fun times. When you all know each other, you know where others are going to be. A group of friends operates like a potent machine. I have been in groups of six that were as effective or more effective (against the same opponents) than a full PUG raid.

This, surviving something you should not have survived against greater numbers and/or being outgunned is the best feeling you can get out there.

One of the best you are Consumption. Too many shiny stars though, we need to fix that!

+1 anyway

Originally Posted by Ghosttaker

This, surviving something you should not have survived against greater numbers and/or being outgunned is the best feeling you can get out there.

One of the best you are Consumption. Too many shiny stars though, we need to fix that!

+1 anyway

lol, to quote pink floyd: i'm just the same as all the rest: not the worst, and not the best.

We can certainly work on scuffing up my stars. U6 has been a great boon to my stars. Sure, U6 addressed the deficiencies that have plagued wargs since ROI (yay, i can actually 1v1 effectively again!), but i have a different theory. When ROI botched our mitigation (yes, Slammin, it really did; i re-traited to maximize my resistances and still got frazzed by a LM [Amanda] for 4.5k in a single hit, zowie!], there was a whole new crop of freeps just coming out. They rolled us into the ground over and over for over a month and i think that they thought that that was just how it was. Once we got our mits back, they got eaten badly enough that they never came back . Also, lots of freeps are out with their creep toons to get enough commendations to buy the audacity gear for their freeps... fair enough, get your armor and then come get my stars

Audacity has removed the casual player from the moors it seems, and I think it's going to get worse. If we can get a chance to run off to the side somewhere i'd love to give you a go 1v1 and see how it is. Wargs hit like trucks now.

Originally Posted by Ghosttaker

Audacity has removed the casual player from the moors it seems, and I think it's going to get worse. If we can get a chance to run off to the side somewhere i'd love to give you a go 1v1 and see how it is. Wargs hit like trucks now.

Sounds fun, i look forward to hitting you like a truck that gets stunned five times by your Armour of Storm

Won't be on tonight (going to play actual D&D), but we never seem to have trouble finding each other, so i'm sure it'll happen!

Originally Posted by gafroh

Sounds fun, i look forward to hitting you like a truck that gets stunned five times by your Armour of Storm

Won't be on tonight (going to play actual D&D), but we never seem to have trouble finding each other, so i'm sure it'll happen!

You know, I'm always up for some 1v1's Consumption! It's always good to see you and Snyff out.