Thread: Class is utter trash in the moors ZC hope you are happy

No escape skills anymore
No defencive skills any more
No big hitters
No Maps
No sprint
CC is a Joke

Just a trash class, nothing to make you smile or feel special about. IT is all gone.

to kill a ranked spider you have to kill it 2 times GL doing that on a populated server

Wargs dont solo and distroy greif camp you. You made the group class (warg) a solo class and turned the solo class (burg) into a fail group class

We hit for to little now no big hits.

Just trash


If you want to play this class because you have hopes to go into the moors Quit now and run.

Umm .............

Hurr durr....

I'd be laughing if this were true, funny though, I'm still laughing !!

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

No escape skills anymore
No defencive skills any more
No big hitters
No Maps
No sprint
CC is a Joke

Just a trash class, nothing to make you smile or feel special about. IT is all gone.

to kill a ranked spider you have to kill it 2 times GL doing that on a populated server

Wargs dont solo and distroy greif camp you. You made the group class (warg) a solo class and turned the solo class (burg) into a fail group class

We hit for to little now no big hits.

Just trash


If you want to play this class because you have hopes to go into the moors Quit now and run.

when i look at all of your posts in the burg-section I suggest you play another class :P

burg's weaker than before because of the warg population on all servers and their 100% hitting through evade - but he's strong enougt to kill mostly all creeps either

just stop, if you cant play you're class find another or go play WoW

I make that a personal best for the OP, over a week since the last whine / trolling attempt.

Originally Posted by jadacakai

I'd be laughing if this were true, funny though, I'm still laughing !!

^This. Some freeps cant play unless its absolute ez mode.

on the contrary the burgler isn't trash, i can still solo 2-3 wargs fine, yes it seems wargs bleeds go through evade most of the time, but in general they dont always get through. CC isnt cut down 100% even with the audacity, you can basically mez the #### out of something to the point, and in a real fight, you're mezzes should be conserved to the best of it's ability, rather then saying i need it just for a single kill, if you use it just for that use, they you are mistakenly using the wrong class and probably be better if you made a LM to hopefully do an aoe stun and sticky gord. So stop the QQ, because the burg is still really op. FYI you can solo a WL and defiler without CDS, so yeah i guess this class is trashy mmmm....

Originally Posted by RainsLegacy

on the contrary the burgler isn't trash, i can still solo 2-3 wargs fine, .

Yes, but under r3...

Burgs actually QQ? didnt know they could..Im just saying this once so listen, burgs are the second most OP class in Lotro only behind Minis, nuff said.

Originally Posted by Vilda

Yes, but under r3...

Rank just means finesse and up to 15% more morale damage and power (if you are rank 15!). Not much else.

Originally Posted by Witch0King

Burgs actually QQ? didnt know they could..Im just saying this once so listen, burgs are the second most OP class in Lotro only behind Minis, nuff said.

Gunna be a bit more difficult to decipher that once everyone has max audacity. You may be somewhat right though.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

No escape skills anymore
No defencive skills any more
No big hitters
No Maps
No sprint
CC is a Joke

Just a trash class, nothing to make you smile or feel special about. IT is all gone.

to kill a ranked spider you have to kill it 2 times GL doing that on a populated server

Wargs dont solo and distroy greif camp you. You made the group class (warg) a solo class and turned the solo class (burg) into a fail group class

We hit for to little now no big hits.

Just trash


If you want to play this class because you have hopes to go into the moors Quit now and run.

I'm actually thinking of starting a thread just for moors video's of burg solo domination.

Burgs are still going to be able to crit up to 3.5k after max audacity on surprise strike. Just a matter of gear.

You have touch and go and knives out as defensive skills still, but you already know this. Do these skills succeed in increases your defences against what the tooltip says it does? Yes, yes it does. You already know this.

You have a hips with a reset skill as your escape skills, but you already know this. Just because it's classified as an escape skill, does not mean it will or should guarantee a 100% escape. You already know this.

/finishes feeding the troll bowl

You're doing it wrong.

thank you for the lols

Burgs ain't what they used to be. Just the other day I was one shotted by a bear outside Bree.

Originally Posted by Warleadersneedlove

You're doing it wrong.

Playing class wrong? or trolling wrong? or both?

I would also suggest you find a new class to play because you obviously have trouble playing a burg. Burgs still do just fine in the moors if you play right. Are wargs harder to kill? Yes, but you have to be smarter about the way you approach trying to kill them. How much audacity do you have? I'm guessing 1 because I play on Brandywine and have no trouble gaining renown while soloing or grouped.

i can actualy solo 2 rank 11-12's atm the moment and even a fail r3 depending its not really that hard if you know what they expect and u out smart atm at least i have no trouble... lol

I totally thought I was in the Hunter forums when reading that post, had to triple check where I was.

Originally Posted by Untg99

Rank just means finesse and up to 15% more morale damage and power (if you are rank 15!). Not much else.



Gunna be a bit more difficult to decipher that once everyone has max audacity. You may be somewhat right though.



I'm actually thinking of starting a thread just for moors video's of burg solo domination.

Burgs are still going to be able to crit up to 3.5k after max audacity on surprise strike. Just a matter of gear.

You have touch and go and knives out as defensive skills still, but you already know this. Do these skills succeed in increases your defences against what the tooltip says it does? Yes, yes it does. You already know this.

You have a hips with a reset skill as your escape skills, but you already know this. Just because it's classified as an escape skill, does not mean it will or should guarantee a 100% escape. You already know this.

/finishes feeding the troll bowl

So you were hitting things for 5k pre audacity with the right gear? I Must be doing it wrong......

Escape skills? LOL i am tracked the second i hit hit HiPS 90% of the time. My record was 11 incombat store tracks, my screen light up like a christmas tree. I know the warg spent a lot on consumable pre u6 not goning to be the case any more.

You missed Find footing or as I know like to call it, find a spot 10m away to die. Was at 3k moral 2 wargs stuned me, FF 2-3k heal was over 5 k health and guess how long it took me to die? 6 hits and 5 or 6 seconds. Awsome defensive skill. yea thing are working well for the burg.


I know we should just be happy camping green dots because wargs that is all they can camp now? they have no light armor classes with rank to camp or squishy low moral medium armor. where is the light armor low moral classes for us to camp? O those are the other stealth class and the ambush class that you now have too kill 2x and who can kite if played well.

And I am not playing my burg out there I am playing a class that does what it claims it does on any creep r0-r15 1audacity- 7

But I will continue to post here till this class does what it is supose too. Flame on maybe they will nerf you even more in U7. the funny thing is you will be playing it I will just be posting about it

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

Was at 3k moral 2 wargs stuned me I FF got a 2-3k heal was over 5 k heals and guess how long it took me to die? 6 hits and 5 or 6 seconds.

How long do you think most medium armour freeps like a burg or hunter should last if attacked two on one while they're at half health already? And does it matter if it is 4,6, or 8 seconds? If two hunters start on me at half health, I have most of that five or six seconds left after death to ponder about it.

It seems other burgs aren't seeing the difficulties that you are. Maybe asking for constructive help might be the way to go rather than negativity? Or if lasting a while outnumbered is your goal, try a Guardian? The end result will be the same, but there might be more time for others to help ya.

Originally Posted by Irenmund

How long do you think most medium armour freeps like a burg or hunter should last if attacked two on one while they're at half health already? And does it matter if it is 4,6, or 8 seconds? If two hunters start on me at half health, I have most of that five or six seconds left after death to ponder about it.

It seems other burgs aren't seeing the difficulties that you are. Maybe asking for constructive help might be the way to go rather than negativity? Or if lasting a while outnumbered is your goal, try a Guardian? The end result will be the same, but there might be more time for others to help ya.

I will respond to this in terms of freep play.

On my rk or on a hunter you could turn around and get 2-3 shots off and kill the creep. high dps skills. burgs do not have these high DPS skills.

We had a stun that gave us the ability to chain 5-6 skills that acted like one high DPS skill in the past. But our stuns are now a joke. They do not sell pots in the store that negate crit damage or any thing to that effect just yet. But that would be the equivelent. To top that all off we need to be behind the target to do real damage and movement and our 2.5 m range make it hard for us to land every hit on a target. I never miss a skill in a rotation on my rk. every thing hits and dps is constant and high.

So yea we had skills hunters and RK's did not have and well as I think I demenstrated above the range DPS classes have some thing we as burgs dont.

Just verry short sighted devs in the control booth right now. Sad.

One of these days I need to take some screenshots of my creeps getting blown to bits by burgs. Not only does the chain stunning have something to do with it, but the fact that they're crit'ing and dev'ing every other hit. And in case you've forgotten burg bleeds >>>> warg bleeds. Even if we happen to be in flayer (I still see most wargs on my server run Shadow and many try to for the current b/p/e factor) and stack our 3 claw bleeds plus agonizing maul and our savage wound bleed... it still wouldn't be half the damage output burgs have in their bleeds on top of their regular dps.

Upgrade your gear, upgrade your LIs, whatever it is, but you're definitely doing something wrong.

Originally Posted by xxforcardassia

One of these days I need to take some screenshots of my creeps getting blown to bits by burgs. Not only does the chain stunning have something to do with it, but the fact that they're crit'ing and dev'ing every other hit. And in case you've forgotten burg bleeds >>>> warg bleeds. Even if we happen to be in flayer (I still see most wargs on my server run Shadow and many try to for the current b/p/e factor) and stack our 3 claw bleeds plus agonizing maul and our savage wound bleed... it still wouldn't be half the damage output burgs have in their bleeds on top of their regular dps.

Upgrade your gear, upgrade your LIs, whatever it is, but you're definitely doing something wrong.

Do freeps and creeps have the same health?

there are a tone of squishy 5-7k moral freeps running around with rank and audacity. wargs kill those little thing before my burg killed a frever in the past. true story.

there is a warg I know that gos around jumping a squishys mounted up in the middle of a raid, he punces them knocks them off their horse kills them and is gone before the raid knows what happened. No burg is going into the middle of a /follow raid of creeps with rank and pulling that off. would be fun and I would like to be able to do that but it aint happening. Plus the burg would never get away no quality eascape skill no sprint /hips combo. the burg if he could get the kill which he cant would be dead.

and what you fail to see is a low rank creep is not what burg DPS or any class DPS or skills should be judged vs. We should be judged vs rank and full audacity now.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

So you were hitting things for 5k pre audacity with the right gear? I Must be doing it wrong......

Escape skills? LOL i am tracked the second i hit hit HiPS 90% of the time. My record was 11 incombat store bought tracks, my screen light up like a christmas tree every time I hips. I know the warg spent a lot on consumable pre u6 not goning to be the case any more.

You missed Fid footing or I I know like to call it find a spot 10m away to die. Was at 3k moral 2 wargs stuned me I FF got a 2-3k heal was over 5 k heals and guess how long it took me to die? 6 hits and 5 or 6 seconds. Awsome defensive skill. yea thing are working well for the burg.


I know we should just be happy camping green dots because yea wargs that is all they can camp now? they have no light armor classes with rank to camp or squishy low moral medium armor. where is the light armor low moral classes for us to camp? O those are the other stealth class and the ambush class that you now have too kill 2x and who can kite if played well.

And I am not playing my burg out there I am playing a class that does what it claims it does on any creep r0-r15 1audacity- 7

But I will continue to post here till this class does what it is supose too. Flame on maybe they will nerf you even more in U7. the funny thing is you will be playing it I will just be posting about it

Not myself personally, but I know of quite a few burgs who have. Was commenting on the capabilities.

And yes, I forgot Find Footing. Unfortunately though, you gravely underestimate that skills capabilities, unless it's part of the trolling façade.

With the amount of misinformation you seem to posses, I would normally tell you to only comment on classes you actively play well, and with decent gear (not that a burg needs too much decent gear to work). But I'm not, as I'm expecting another thread from you in the next week or so.

Originally Posted by Untg99

Not myself personally, but I know of quite a few burgs who have. Was commenting on the capabilities.

And yes, I forgot Find Footing. Unfortunately though, you gravely underestimate that skills capabilities, unless it's part of the trolling façade.

With the amount of misinformation you seem to posses, I would normally tell you to only comment on classes you actively play well, and with decent gear (not that a burg needs too much decent gear to work). But I'm not, as I'm expecting another thread from you in the next week or so.

maybe you did not get the memo. Evade does not work vs shadow stance wargs. T&G FF even with 75% evade every hit lands. They hit for 500-700 and crit for up to 1100-1400.

what is crit chance on from stealth skills as a warg?

enjoy

Wow, someone couldn't solo a warg pack yesterday ?

Originally Posted by MightyKOko

Wow, someone couldn't solo a warg pack yesterday ?

no but, the warg is now the only creep class ever to be able to do its job better than the freep counter part.

Maybe it is the start of a trend? Maybe Defilers will get insta heals for 15k and huge on the move DPS and will be better than mini in U7?

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

no but, the warg is now the only creep class ever to be able to do its job better than the freep counter part.

Maybe it is the start of a trend? Maybe Defilers will get insta heals for 15k and huge on the move DPS and will be better than mini in U7?

To waste a gif on you or not, that is the real question.

Can't blame you really. Most burgs are terrible players anyway. The ones that use the depth of the class can faceroll anything in the moors.

The OP is a Rank 9 Burglar with a rating of 1800.
http://dailystats.theblackappendage....ywine/Everborn

Obviously the star-hugging has gone to his brain.

Its okay to lose a fight every once in a while Everborn. It's okay, really.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

no but, the warg is now the only creep class ever to be able to do its job better than the freep counter part.

Oh? Suppose I were to complain that I'm unable to solo two burgs on my warg when I encountered them while I was at half health. Instead, they killed me quickly, and quite quickly at that. Is that somehow showing that the warg class is "broken" or "utter trash"? Should I be able to solo two burgs on my damaged warg? And if not, why not? See how utterly silly it sounds when turned around?

Originally Posted by Daredent

The OP is a Rank 9 Burglar with a rating of 1800.
http://dailystats.theblackappendage....ywine/Everborn

Obviously the star-hugging has gone to his brain.

Its okay to lose a fight every once in a while Everborn. It's okay, really.

I die all the time I'm not a star hugger but on the same note i am not suicidal like i am on my rk. Look at the constant minus rattings in that link if you think im a star hugger. But also look at the sharp drop off in play time post u6. Wonder why? must be somthing wrong? Lot of burgs pvp stat pages look like that now. somthing must be up?

O by the way I have the full PvP set on my burg, 7 audacity +5% dev chance. It is realy a great PvE set turbine, maybe the best we ever had! Thank you.


PS>> used my RK to feed it to my burg and my RK will feed 3 pieces to my LM for PvE. To top all this madness off I dont even want the PvP gear on my RK who I pvp with. the isen set just fits my play style and the feel of the RK better so wargs if you get the jump on me you should win but if i get the jump on you im takeing 3 or 4 of you out and maybe saving the poor guy you pounced

Originally Posted by Irenmund

Oh? Suppose I were to complain that I'm unable to solo two burgs on my warg when I encountered them while I was at half health. Instead, they killed me quickly, and quite quickly at that. Is that somehow showing that the warg class is "broken" or "utter trash"? Should I be able to solo two burgs on my damaged warg? And if not, why not? See how utterly silly it sounds when turned around?

supose they managed to make it so your sprint and hips were grayed out when you fought them. how would that make you feel?

you are the better stealth class in this game right now enjoy it. I dont mean in a 1v1 I mean in the accual game the real enviroment we are forced to play in. You have all the toys make use of them before they are plucked away from you one by one. Pounce every RK or hunter with sub 6k moral mounted up in the middle of a marching raid. Make sure you camp those freeps without maps till they log off or call for help.

Roam free my eassy moding friend enjoy what you do and welcome the burgs that swap sides with open arms.

You are the real hunters of the moors now get out there and have fun.

I think we can all agree on one thing ... Fail!

Zombie Columbus turned me into a NEWT!!!


It got better.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

No escape skills anymore
No defencive skills any more
No big hitters
No Maps
No sprint
CC is a Joke

Just a trash class, nothing to make you smile or feel special about. IT is all gone.

to kill a ranked spider you have to kill it 2 times GL doing that on a populated server

Wargs dont solo and distroy greif camp you. You made the group class (warg) a solo class and turned the solo class (burg) into a fail group class

We hit for to little now no big hits.

Just trash


If you want to play this class because you have hopes to go into the moors Quit now and run.

On the one hand you have a point - Nuggsta made a thread about wargs and Palesinik wrote "
For stealth, I don't even use footpad. I have a cloak/jewell/tool that i can swap for more stealth level when needed (like when I want to sneak into a keep) but most of the time I just run around with none of that. Sure I get detected by wargs but it doesn't realy matter to me since they track me all the time anyway and BA can still detect you no matter how much stealth you have." but on the other you don't because Pale and Nuggsta still play in the moors and so do I.

1. soloing is ALOT tougher than ever before
2. dying happens more often

But honestly, freeps on BW, other than those who played during the summer of 2010, have no clue how bad it can be. Try Vilya, I dare ya, for sheer day in and day out EC zerging and GV camping. So when I hear a BW burg complaining it blows my mind. Burgs on Vilya don't run 6 or 7 burg gank sqauds and rest in OPs while their CDs return after ganking greenies at the slugs. Serioulsy, being a burg on BW is tougher than before but it's nowhere near as tough as you describe nor as tough as it is on Vilya (generally speaking) - take a look at the server stats.

Originally Posted by Majic

Zombie Columbus turned me into a NEWT!!!


It got better.

If you keep on moving forward the zombies cant hurt you.