Thread: Attn Devs! SHADOW STANCE IS SEVERELY BUGGED.

Look at Burgs and Minstrels. R12 Burg whining about Wargs, cool story, I lold.

Originally Posted by Gh0s7_Div1sion

Look at Burgs and Minstrels. R12 Burg whining about Wargs, cool story, I lold.

No burg sympathy here, they can still be formidable opponents depending on the circumstances. Get over it freeps, wargs are more balanced now than they have been in a very long time.

I am very pleased with your Trolling activity my Burg apprentices

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

I am very pleased with your Trolling activity my Burg apprentices

I wouldn't joke, all it takes is one freep to cry "WAAAHHHHHH" and Turbine swings the nerf bat at creeps.

See - Blight and Revenge

Originally Posted by Macgregor1821

Wargs were LONG OVERDUE for some love

We agree

Thank you for your support

Originally Posted by notacavetroll

Ok, so according to you its official that the burg trick exploit is WAI right? Its not mentioned in the notes, because turbine would never be that careless... lololol

They acknowledged the burg trick exploit, it was in the known issues and hotfix list. They tried to fix it, but failed. They banned and are still banning the burgs who use it. None of these were the case for shadow stance. So, yea, it is pretty much official that, shadow stance is indeed WAI.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

another eassy mode warg.

all I know, is I fought a burg I know, destroyed him in shadow, talked to him later when I was on my freep he said "sucks to know I can't faceroll my keyboard and win now" next time I fought him, he won, not by much, but he actually played his class, not just tried to ezmode, burgs can still beat wargs, only difference now is that wargs have a chance of beating a well played burg without popping a brand

Originally Posted by firehandsjr

all I know, is I fought a burg I know, destroyed him in shadow, talked to him later when I was on my freep he said "sucks to know I can't faceroll my keyboard and win now" next time I fought him, he won, not by much, but he actually played his class, not just tried to ezmode, burgs can still beat wargs, only difference now is that wargs have a chance of beating a well played burg without popping a brand

no you guys are easy mode now.

so... you pop a warg with a 4k SS, you dust and startling twist attack once or twice they pot, you wait 5 seconds and throw your riddle (lots of burgs trait perplexing riddle) even with high audacity with riddle duration it still gives you about a 5 second stun, if you can't finish off the warg's 5k they got left in that 5 seconds you should maybe go play another class. I remember not long after roi, me and a warg friend were on a not even geared burg, he killed us both with little problem, since burgs can't do that anymore, wargs are easymode and OP?

Originally Posted by firehandsjr

so... you pop a warg with a 4k SS, you dust and startling twist attack once or twice they pot, you wait 5 seconds and throw your riddle (lots of burgs trait perplexing riddle) even with high audacity with riddle duration it still gives you about a 5 second stun, if you can't finish off the warg's 5k they got left in that 5 seconds you should maybe go play another class. I remember not long after roi, me and a warg friend were on a not even geared burg, he killed us both with little problem, since burgs can't do that anymore, wargs are easymode and OP?

easy mode we are not talking about a no rank warg with no rank skills.

easy mode burgs dont track and burgs dont get the jump

easy mode burgs dont hit that high with audacity on ranked traited wargs

easy mode once you pot the ST the riddle stun 99% of the burgs dont have would lasts 1 sec with audacity

so easy mode enjoy and have fun.

Did you drop out of 4th grade, eassy? Really?

Originally Posted by zaskoda

Did you drop out of 4th grade, eassy? Really?

I am very pleased with your activity my apprentice

They are no match for your Trolling skills

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

Originally Posted by Sapience

Added a note to the Shadow stance skill noting that Bestial Claws, Sudden Maul, and Pounce act as from Stealth and cannot be Blocked, Parried, or Evaded.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...JECT-TO-CHANGE

Originally Posted by Sapience
Added a note to the Shadow stance skill noting that Bestial Claws, Sudden Maul, and Pounce act as from Stealth and cannot be Blocked, Parried, or Evaded.

Originally Posted by Louvre

Pretty sure Burgs can still Evade claws in Shadow with TnG

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Pretty sure Burgs can still Evade claws in Shadow with TnG

I've never seen it missing .

Sudden Pounce I've seen tho .

Sudden Pounce is so buggy (at least for me XD). It misses more than it actually lands....

No, any of the "from stealth" skills while in shadow stance can not be b/p/e no matter if TnG is up.

And for you QQing burgs, learn to use knives out and get some skill. Burgs can still beat wargs, even in shadow stance.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Pretty sure Burgs can still Evade claws in Shadow with TnG

no they can't - I tried it with my Buddy - with ~75% Evade (Gambler 5% + 20% unbuffed + 50% T&G) - I only evaded his Autohits - not his skills...

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

no they can't - I tried it with my Buddy - with ~75% Evade (Gambler 5% + 20% unbuffed + 50% T&G) - I only evaded his Autohits - not his skills...

Good

More dead Burgs is always welcome news

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

no they can't - I tried it with my Buddy - with ~75% Evade (Gambler 5% + 20% unbuffed + 50% T&G) - I only evaded his Autohits - not his skills...

So what you're saying is Burgs can't win unless they can't be hit? I can direct you to some Burglars that can prove otherwise.

i rather use flayer lol in a pack shadow is usefull but against champ, minis, everything else besides hunters i use flayer. The migs and bubble of it are way more useful then the 15% damage bonus. Other classes espescially healers just outheal dps while you get still hit by hard hits

I personally prefer Shadow over Flayer though I have to switch when fighting certain classes.

Originally Posted by CantankerousTim

So what you're saying is Burgs can't win unless they can't be hit? I can direct you to some Burglars that can prove otherwise.

were did I say that? all I said was that in Shadow-Stance a wrg is hitting even through ~75% evade...

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

were did I say that? all I said was that in Shadow-Stance a wrg is hitting even through ~75% evade...

From B0 on BR...

• Added a note to the Shadow stance skill noting that Bestial Claws, Sudden Maul, and Pounce act as from Stealth and cannot be Blocked, Parried, or Evaded.

WAI apparently.

I guess now burgs will have to utilize their other skills (hint: knives out) instead of hitting TnG and laughing as they become untouchable.

Originally Posted by Daec

I guess now burgs will have to utilize their other skills (hint: knives out) instead of hitting TnG and laughing as they become untouchable.

no we just roll other classes or find other games.


well the smart one among us. if someone 60 year old out of shape over weight dude wants to go out and by a sports bike more power to him. he may think he is cool but he is going to get hurt.


that is the burg class right now. you guys are past your glory days accept it and just leave the class.

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

no we just roll other classes or find other games.


well the smart one among us. if someone 60 year old out of shape over weight dude wants to go out and by a sports bike more power to him. he may think he is cool but he is going to get hurt.


that is the burg class right now. you guys are past your glory days accept it and just leave the class.

aka. QQ we're not super OP anymore and I might actually have to use something other than my face to play my class...

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

aka. QQ we're not super OP anymore and I might actually have to use something other than my face to play my class...

LOL!!!
I'm enjoying the way Burgs are now TBH.

PRE U6 I beat a r9 Warg on my burg when he was level 71. Something needed to change.

and prior to RoI I was on par with a r10 warg when I was level 63. The other r10 warg on our server ate me alive but I think I got him to half morale. When I hit level 65, got a little gear, the first Warg I mentioned didn't stand a chance. Mainly because he pounced me all the time and I always just hit Find Footing.

Originally Posted by Buttkickington

LOL!!!
I'm enjoying the way Burgs are now TBH.

PRE U6 I beat a r9 Warg on my burg when he was level 71. Something needed to change.

and prior to RoI I was on par with a r10 warg when I was level 63. The other r10 warg on our server ate me alive but I think I got him to half morale. When I hit level 65, got a little gear, the first Warg I mentioned didn't stand a chance. Mainly because he pounced me all the time and I always just hit Find Footing.

I think that (based on my experience as a warg), atm, the shadow stance attacks going through b/p/e is a bit too strong. Now, this thought could be based off the fact that there aren't many (any?) good burgs that play actively on E, but then again, it could just be true. Either way, burgs actually have to know their class and how to play instead of just hitting TnG and winning.

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

I think that (based on my experience as a warg), atm, the shadow stance attacks going through b/p/e is a bit too strong. Now, this thought could be based off the fact that there aren't many (any?) good burgs that play actively on E, but then again, it could just be true. Either way, burgs actually have to know their class and how to play instead of just hitting TnG and winning.

Yes. Now they have to hit Knives Out and win. Tragic stuff.

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

I think that (based on my experience as a warg), atm, the shadow stance attacks going through b/p/e is a bit too strong. Now, this thought could be based off the fact that there aren't many (any?) good burgs that play actively on E, but then again, it could just be true. Either way, burgs actually have to know their class and how to play instead of just hitting TnG and winning.

Your reasoning is that it's too strong because it makes Burgs have to know how to play their class? Then it's not too strong at all, that just means you're beating Burgs that are worse at PvP than you are.

I think shadow-Stance should be -25% Evade/Block/Parry oder -10000 BPE (what is normally the same)...

but it's not ok to hit a CD and nothing changes because the enemy would hit throug 100% evade...

now - the warg is the only MP-Class which shouldn't use skills in a duel - before the last patch only freeps should have limited their skills for better balancing - after the patch, warg was far to strong - flayer is easymode and shadow cut's throug all other things...

or give shadow a buff every 5s which let your next attack (which would be changed from stealth - not autoattack or some other skills) hit as if it would be from stealth...

now a shadow warg hast only to press 3 buttons an win - even against good player (if the warg has good movement)...

in every duel against a warg - all their 3 from stealth-skills have a critchance > 50% - even if the player hasn't used the trait with crit from stealth - anyone knows something about that?

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Yes. Now they have to hit Knives Out and win. Tragic stuff.

No, not at all... KO only has a 10 sec duration and any good warg will be watching and just kite it off...

Originally Posted by CantankerousTim

Your reasoning is that it's too strong because it makes Burgs have to know how to play their class? Then it's not too strong at all, that just means you're beating Burgs that are worse at PvP than you are.

No, I'm saying it's too strong because winning against some of the best burgs on the server (or at least decent ones), who get the jump on me, and living with more than 60% health is just bad. It's not fun and yes, while it's good that burgs actually have to know their class, wargs don't anymore. It's spam 2-3 skills and win...

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

in every duel against a warg - all their 3 from stealth-skills have a critchance > 50% - even if the player hasn't used the trait with crit from stealth - anyone knows something about that?

Part is due to the warg's inherent crit chance (about 15% and the element of surprise trait makes no difference whatsoever, probably bugged or stealth nerf from Turbine) and then almost all of our skills get bonus crit chance from stealth and I believe some even get more crit chance from behind. Since those 3 skills are always from stealth, they crit almost all the time. However, my overall crit chance is more around 25% due to auto attacks not critting 80% of the time.

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

in every duel against a warg - all their 3 from stealth-skills have a critchance > 50% - even if the player hasn't used the trait with crit from stealth - anyone knows something about that?

Actually, according to my parser, my crit chance with Shadow, Element of Surprise, and Frenzy is somewhere between 24%-30% depending on the target. Also keep in mind a large portion of that is auto attacks and bleeds.

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

now - the warg is the only MP-Class which shouldn't use skills in a duel - before the last patch only freeps should have limited their skills for better balancing - after the patch, warg was far to strong - flayer is easymode and shadow cut's throug all other things...

No one should be holding back skills. I've no desire for a hollow victory. But please, show my how to play my stanceless warg in today's 'Moors. I would very much enjoy your enlightening perspective.

PS - I'm not being sarcastic. Tell me how you would do it.

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

No, I'm saying it's too strong because winning against some of the best burgs on the server (or at least decent ones), who get the jump on me, and living with more than 60% health is just bad. It's not fun and yes, while it's good that burgs actually have to know their class, wargs don't anymore. It's spam 2-3 skills and win...

Hmm, I don't think that's the case. I know of a few Burgs that can still run me over no problem. Granted, it's a rarer occurence lately but that's because the good Burgs have been further separated from the bad Burgs. When I lose to a Burg now, I know they were probably more skilled than me.

And I don't see any Wargs facerolling like Burgs used to, when a good Burg comes across an average or bad Warg, that Warg looses pretty horrendously, it's not even close.

The way I think of it is, Wargs can't stun Burgs, which is a major part of Warg tactics. Now Burglars can evade very little of Warg attacks, which is a large part of Burg tactics/defenses. This creates a balance of sorts, though overall Burgs are still in a much better place than Wargs. Wargs have only been doing so well because there's such an excessive amount of them lately.

If they get the jump on you and only do 40% damage before they die, then I don't know what to tell you except they're not very good or at least undergeared. Burgs can do some very nice DPS.

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

I think shadow-Stance should be -25% Evade/Block/Parry oder -10000 BPE (what is normally the same)...

but it's not ok to hit a CD and nothing changes because the enemy would hit throug 100% evade...

Are you familiar with the existence of Rune-keepers and Minstrels? None of their stuff can be BPE-ed. And yours is a silly argument...an outrageously powerful skill isn't outrageously powerful vs one class...so that class is broken. The only parallel to TNG on Creepside is Moving Target and it isn't nearly as good because Freeps have more classes and skills that have means to bypass BPE.

now - the warg is the only MP-Class which shouldn't use skills in a duel - before the last patch only freeps should have limited their skills for better balancing - after the patch, warg was far to strong - flayer is easymode and shadow cut's throug all other things...

or give shadow a buff every 5s which let your next attack (which would be changed from stealth - not autoattack or some other skills) hit as if it would be from stealth...

now a shadow warg hast only to press 3 buttons an win - even against good player (if the warg has good movement)...

The majority of Freep classes fundamentally beat a Warg, Shadow or Flayer. If you're losing vs Wargs as a Mins, RK, Champ, Burg, etc...learn to play.

in every duel against a warg - all their 3 from stealth-skills have a critchance > 50% - even if the player hasn't used the trait with crit from stealth - anyone knows something about that?

It's like 30% traited. Hyperbolic, misleading, and anecdotal testimony is hyperbolic, misleading and anecdotal.
I assume you're trolling, but you never know.