Thema: Minstrel Coda wipes other's buffs again- fix this now not later.

Well with the update of the anthem of war we also have that annoying bug where other minstrels in the same group wipe each other's codas. They fixed it before but it took them over a month. This coda makes it impractical to have two minis in the same group.

Um, is it me, or is the finesse missing from our Draigoch set?

And is it me, or did they ninja nerf out Coda of Fury again? I hit a 900 with it earlier. I've never hit that low in the history of the skill.

Zitat von Acidiun

Um, is it me, or is the finesse missing from our Draigoch set?

And is it me, or did they ninja nerf out Coda of Fury again? I hit a 900 with it earlier. I've never hit that low in the history of the skill.

my tool tip tells me coda of fury should be hitting for 1200-1700 which seems normal.

How on earth is this possible? Did people not group on BR? Was it new since latest BR patch?

Also, I'd like to know why our Attack Speed was decreased. Fess up, Orion. It feels like I am playing SWTOR with a GCD that won't let me chain my anthems with my attacks/heals.

Zitat von Gillianrial

How on earth is this possible? Did people not group on BR? Was it new since latest BR patch?

Well, I'm sure it's not very common to have 2 minstrels in the same group on live let alone Bullroarer :-P

Also, I'd like to know why our Attack Speed was decreased. Fess up, Orion. It feels like I am playing SWTOR with a GCD that won't let me chain my anthems with my attacks/heals.

Hmm.. so you're feeling this too? I saw this reported in the Wardens forum as well as I experienced it on Bullroarer and now live. I made a post here in General but no one has replied to it:


http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-Duration-Nerf

They also (as noted above) removed Finesse from our Dragon sets AGAIN.

So:

1. Minstrel buffs now wiped again with two minstrels in the same fellow
2. Attack speed changed with absolutely no warning
3. Finesse from Draigoch that most of us still heal in because Draigoch > our Orthanc sets for healing, mostly.

What gives?

Zitat von Acidiun

Um, is it me, or is the finesse missing from our Draigoch set?

And is it me, or did they ninja nerf out Coda of Fury again? I hit a 900 with it earlier. I've never hit that low in the history of the skill.

Yeah. My Coda is reading 500dmg weaker in the tooltip...

Coda was definitly nerfed. Max hitting arround 1700 for me now (tooltip), while it was more than 2000 before.

Zitat von Lambs

Well with the update of the anthem of war we also have that annoying bug where other minstrels in the same group wipe each other's codas. They fixed it before but it took them over a month. This coda makes it impractical to have two minis in the same group.

I grouped up with 3 mini kinnies (lol it rhymes) and we did not wipe each others coda/ballads/anthem

Zitat von Acidiun

And is it me, or did they ninja nerf out Coda of Fury again? I hit a 900 with it earlier. I've never hit that low in the history of the skill.

mine seems to have dropped about 100 morale, but no clue if its juat a /bug or a nerf

I can verify, just did it with two minis in all stances with about 7 different variations. The coda did not wipe away another minis ballads or anthems.

That being said;

• My finnese dropped dramatically with the hit to our armor
• I do feel like my attacks have slowed
• I am willing to bet 99% of my gold that my Coda DID in fact receive a nerf. It is hitting much less than it previously did, I DEV'd for a maximum of 4k on npcs in the new area, with 23k outgoing.

I personally have not experienced the wiping of the buffs - but I have not grouped with another minstrel.

The other items:
- Finesse - was this an oversight? If so, please put if back. If not, why add it and then take it away...again?
- Attack speed is suspect
- Coda damage reduction? Could this not be a tactical mastery change in people's armor or elsewhere? I personally haven't noticed this, but I have not studied tooltips.

Zitat von Gillianrial

I personally have not experienced the wiping of the buffs - but I have not grouped with another minstrel.

The other items:
- Finesse - was this an oversight? If so, please put if back. If not, why add it and then take it away...again?
- Attack speed is suspect
- Coda damage reduction? Could this not be a tactical mastery change in people's armor or elsewhere? I personally haven't noticed this, but I have not studied tooltips.

my tact mastery is the same as it was before the update so i don't think its that, so orion if you are reading this its not a TOP priority but please take a look at it if you got time to do so

About the attack speed issue. Right now the servers are under heavy use because a lot of people are playing. Naturally there is a bit of server lag. I was in a few raids and EVERYONE mentioned skill lag and a sluggish feel of their skills. I do not think that we were hit with a secret skill speed nerf.

@acidium
I don't know what to say if you are not experiencing the issue of coda's wiping ballads and anthems. On brandywine me and my friend were in warspeech together and every time one of us used a coda it would wipe all the ballads and anthems. Got us killed in the moors before we figured out what was going on.

Zitat von Lambs

@acidium
I don't know what to say if you are not experiencing the issue of coda's wiping ballads and anthems. On brandywine me and my friend were in warspeech together and every time one of us used a coda it would wipe all the ballads and anthems. Got us killed in the moors before we figured out what was going on.

ill wait for a mini friend of mine is online and ill try it out in the moors, the bug might just happen there

The other minstrel's coda is definitely wiping my anthems, tho I think my ballads were staying. Odd.

Coda is once again wiping anthems off all fellowship members.

This is a bug.

It happened in U5, got patched a month later, and now it's back again. Please fix. Turbine, your coders need to use better versioning tools. These kind of bugs shouldn't be happening. It's quite obvious that someone used the old code while working on the U6 balance changes instead of the latest code.

Zitat von Tamiya

Coda is once again wiping anthems off all fellowship members.

This is a bug.

It happened in U5, got patched a month later, and now it's back again. Please fix. Turbine, your coders need to use better versioning tools. These kind of bugs shouldn't be happening. It's quite obvious that someone used the old code while working on the U6 balance changes instead of the latest code.

You're right, it was as if hotfix 5.1 had never existed !

I guess it is a mistake, I hope the developers will offer a patch very soon. It's already solved problems, this should not take too long, I hope so...

For information : http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Update_5.1,_Official

Do i really hear a minnie QQ?

Yes, U5.1 seems to have been removed. An U6.1 is needed as a matter of urgency. Always had a bad feeling about this update launching a little sooner than seemed normal after Bullroarer went live....just see the bugs present on the Warden! On which point, I hope all their issues doesnt mean Minstrel Takes a back seat.

I suggest it might be time for some compensatory freebies Turbine.

AoW also isn't nerfed, maybe they got some error with copying the new files.

I noticed my Ballads and Anthem(s) dropping apparently at random last night while soloing; in a chain-pull situation that was quite a shock. So it might not be back to 5.1, it may be an entirely new bug.

Also I felt a lot squishier than normal post-update ... anyone else?

ETA: I completely agree that updates seem to be rolling out much too early these days. Welcome though the changes it brought were, I think RoI was released earlier than it should have been and the trend appears to have continued since then. I can understand that Turbine want to lure players back to the game but if they come back to a nest of bugs because content was released before it was tested properly they'll just head right back out of the door. Of course this has nothing to do with the Devs, it's clearly pressure from the corporate monkeys that drives premature releases.

Yes - AoW is not nerfed (neither from skill nor from legacy)
And in 5 red it stays fellowship wide - and not only for the mini - during the whole fight (i think this is not as it was expected).

AoW HAS lost 5% in total, my maxed buff book gives 15% now (they'll fix this one asap I'm sure) and seriously can I have my bloody finesse back please?

I hardly got a chance to get into the game last night and only logged into my minstrel to take a ride around all the stable masters in the new area, so I never noticed they'd messed up our coda again

I just hope they get it fixed again soon, since we have really enjoyed playing in fellowships with 2+ minstrels lately .

Zitat von marlwyn

Do i really hear a minnie QQ?

oh look a troll never seen one of those before, ballads/anthems/coda is the core of the mini, if you dont understand then get the heck out

Anthem of War when redline is now permanent for the whole group. It also is bugged and still potentially gives the 20% value. Whatever they broke, I am ok with it.

I have also experienced this problem of two minstrels in group, wiping codas/anthums/ballads from each other. This happened on different occasions, in different areas/instances and different minstrels. It becomes a race as to, which will complete skill rotation first!

Okay, bear with me here since I started (really) playing my Minstrel after U5.

1. I did feel a LOT squishier when I logged in after the update.
2. Yes, my Coda of Fury WAS very much nerfed. I'm certain of it.
3. I have 0 finesse (level 56 so far) so I can't contribute on that.

but here's what worries me the most:

Pre U6, I could use the anthems on my fellowship and use a coda, the anthem was wiped from me, but not from them, now it is not so anymore. Was that a (lucky) bug? Or just another nerf?

Also, if I applied, say, Anthem of the Free Peoples on myself and used the coda (even after it had expired) I still received the HoT linked to it. Actually, I like to put up 2 anthems and wait for them to expire, use the coda, and get the HoT and power regen at the same time. Again, bug?

And oh, I did try out grouping with another minstrel to test out the anthem wiping. It DOES happen, and outside of the moors.

Zitat von Elemiire

Pre U6, I could use the anthems on my fellowship and use a coda, the anthem was wiped from me, but not from them, now it is not so anymore. Was that a (lucky) bug? Or just another nerf?

Neither, it was intended to work that way. The way it now works (again), wiping anthems from all the fellowship, is the bug (or at least was confirmed to be a bug back in Update 5.1 by Orion). It's making harmony stance pretty pointless, so I'm hoping to see a fix that will keep the anthems on the fellowship again until their time runs out normally.

Turbine are the biggest trolls in this game... Constantly ninja nerfing us.


Just fill a bug report don't rely on everyone else to do it for you :P

My concern is that there has been no response from a developer to any of the threads about theses issues, that I have read, and they are not on the known issues list as of the 3-16 update; http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...pdated-3-16-12.

Do the developers even recognize these as bugs? The anthem wipe and coda nerf obviously are since they had to fix them once before.

Tomorrow they are patching the game - let's hope our issues are going to be solved

Can only hope that it's fixed.

Don't get your hopes up.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...79#post6059779

*shakes tiny elf fist*

Zitat von hillard1959

Don't get your hopes up.
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...79#post6059779

*sighs deeply* I was so disappointed by that answer that I went and played my guardian instead tonight

Meh. Thanks for link Hillard.

The issue was reported in bullroarer and reported the first day the update went live.

No dev response. No mention in the "known issue" list.

So don't get your hopes up for a miracle fix tomorrow.

While the 6.1 Release Notes are ambiguous, it looks like the bug where a Coda removes fellowship Anthem buffs is fixed.