Thread: Commendations for Slayer/Conqueror Deeds

Originally Posted by Cillion

But giving some people commendations for future accomplishments while others cant earn them is ok ? i call BS..


Either give me the chance to achieve the accomplishments again and earn the rewards, or dont give new players this option to get rewards... seriously it is nothing else but slapping old veterans / long time players in the face while giving new ones everything easier..

I don't know if you were around for the F2P transition...

Originally Posted by zaskoda

What? Did you even read my post? In case you didn't, reread it a couple times. My grievance is with lack of retroactive reward for deeds I've completed that now have good rewards attached to them

...but I know that you were.

We didn't get retroactive TP for already-completed deeds when the F2P transition happened - why would anyone who was playing LOTRO at that time expect to get retroactive commendations for already-completed Moors deeds now? I suspect that, if this is even addressed by anyone official, you'll be told that you're free to roll new characters and earn the Commendations on them just like everyone else. (Yeah, I think it's a poor response, too.)

Perhaps Turbine could've implemented some sort of system in which everyone received a few commendations per rank earned prior to U6, but Turbine seems pretty committed to this whole "everyone starts over with each season" idea, so that wouldn't have fit its vision.

Originally Posted by Spordo

As I already said, getting commendations is easy

You though gaining DP was a grind but gaining commendations is easy?

Originally Posted by Spordo

I gathered 1k commendations in about an hour and that's without completing any deeds what so ever and only 1 PvP kill (which rewarded me 4 commendations or something like that).

Oh I get it, it's easy when you use fantasy numbers.

You did the following quests on your defiler.

MASH - 30 commendations, 40 infamy
STONEWALL FANDMAU - 40 commendations, 60 infamy
GOLDHEAD MUST DIE - 50 commendations, 60 infamy
BEDDING THE BEARS - 30 commendations, 60 infamy

= 150 commendations, 220 infamy.

And that also adds up with dailystats. So you probably didn't kill anyone either.
http://dailystats.theblackappendage....relin/Nagslime

Originally Posted by Lestache

...but I know that you were.
We didn't get retroactive TP for already-completed deeds when the F2P transition happened - why would anyone who was playing LOTRO at that time expect to get retroactive commendations for already-completed Moors deeds now? #I suspect that, if this is even addressed by anyone official, you'll be told that you're free to roll new characters and earn the Commendations on them just like everyone else. #(Yeah, I think it's a poor response, too.)

Perhaps Turbine could've implemented some sort of system in which everyone received a few commendations per rank earned prior to U6, but Turbine seems pretty committed to this whole "everyone starts over with each season" idea, so that wouldn't have fit its vision.

Are you sure about that? I'm nearly certain people were retroactively rewarded TP for completed deeds when f2p went live. I could be wrong, can anyone else verify?

Originally Posted by zaskoda

Are you sure about that? I'm nearly certain people were retroactively rewarded TP for completed deeds when f2p went live. I could be wrong, can anyone else verify?

No retroactive TP.

You got a loyalty bonus, and new reputation deeds were added. So if you were already were kindred with different factions you got extra TP with the F2P launch.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

Are you sure about that? I'm nearly certain people were retroactively rewarded TP for completed deeds when f2p went live. I could be wrong, can anyone else verify?

We were given TP for the type of membership that we had and how long we'd been a member. Not a single TP was given retroactively for completed deeds. As someone who'd completed every non-Moors deed prior to F2P, I recall being part of a number of threads on the subject and not being terribly happy that I was going to receive nothing for them, especially when compared with new players (sort of like some of the PvP vets are feeling now).

Again, Turbine is showing it doesn't care about vets... since most of us are lifetimers, we aren't a revenue source. They want people who are going to buy subscriptions or buy TP.

All of my toons that have completed deeds not aren't rewarded, they don't have the ability to ever earn the Coms for those deeds. And for Slayer Deeds, if I've competed earlier tiers I now have to kill a lot more freeps to get the next deed tier to earn Coms.

From the math I'm seeing posted on costs, they should have increased the cap and either retro-rewarded some commendations or provided a means to convert Destiny to commendations.

Originally Posted by Lestache

We were given TP for the type of membership that we had and how long we'd been a member. Not a single TP was given retroactively for completed deeds. As someone who'd completed every non-Moors deed prior to F2P, I recall being part of a number of threads on the subject and not being terribly happy that I was going to receive nothing for them, especially when compared with new players (sort of like some of the PvP vets are feeling now).

Ah, thanks for clarification. Nothing says old with the old and in with the new quite like Turbine. Awesome.

Originally Posted by Cillion

Well just looking at 1 side isnt it kinda biased then ? I know that Turbine wont care,and some Players out there wont care either. And thats ok,i just cant understand the reason behind it to reward unequally.

To be honest, yes it is biased but the way the moors are currently (and have been for a long time), it's so biased towards freeps it's not even funny.

Originally Posted by Cillion

Both need the same amount to buy their next Skills... The veteran however will have a harder time getting it then the new one,and this is why i think its not right..

Yeah, life isn't fair, true story. I still don't think old players should be rewarded for previous accomplishments. It's not that I dislike old players or anything, I just think (as I've said several times already) that rewarding people for old merits is detrimental to the idea of instating a new system.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

Oh, so veterans don't need audacity? Because being a veteran is some kind of reward in and of itself?

I have nothing to show besides a purple symbol next to my name and bragging rights, GG. If anything rank has been constantly devalued and made next to worthless, who plays an RPG where you never improve? Or even get anything?#

I'm sorry but if you're a veteran creep, you have plenty to show for it, and if you're a veteran freep, then no, you don't really need Audacity in my opinion, you will still cut down creeps like a hot knife through butter.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

If it's easy then you should have no problem with people being retroactively rewarded for deeds, right?

I feel like you're entirely missing the point here so I'll explain it real slow-like;
Deeds used to give nothing but title
Deeds now reward large chunks of "easy to get" commendations
Future players completing the deeds get these rewards#
Current players are boned for already having them done, and are not retroactively rewarded for said deeds
Turbine has in the past retroactively rewarded many things (almost every patch!)
Ergo.....

Ok, since. we. are. typing. slowly. I. will. type. slowly. as. well.

Rewarding. old. merits. is. detrimental. to. a. pvp. environment.

..and as Lestache said, they haven't retroactively rewarded anyone for previous deeds.

Originally Posted by PropJoe

You though gaining DP was a grind but gaining commendations is easy?

I never said it wasn't a grind to be honest, it is but in comparison to gaining DP it's the exact same grind which is/was easy but dull.

Originally Posted by PropJoe

Oh I get it, it's easy when you use fantasy numbers.

You did the following quests on your defiler.

MASH - 30 commendations, 40 infamy
STONEWALL FANDMAU - 40 commendations, 60 infamy
GOLDHEAD MUST DIE - 50 commendations, 60 infamy
BEDDING THE BEARS - 30 commendations, 60 infamy

= 150 commendations, 220 infamy.

Right, that makes so much sense, I'd better send a bug report then because I have more than 1k commendations. Clearly it's a bug, since you found that. Tell me exactly where I ever stated that I gained the commendations on my defiler and my defiler alone? I logged my defiler to test the new functionality of the class, more specifically, the increased effectiveness of the flies, then I logged my Weaver to test the functionality of the new poison-pips. All that took me less than an hour and landed me around 1k commendations.

Originally Posted by PropJoe

And that also adds up with dailystats. So you probably didn't kill anyone either.
http://dailystats.theblackappendage....relin/Nagslime

Again, I never said I was on my defiler when I killed anyone. I never said I killed anyone solo either so yes, while the data you posted is in no way false, I'll even say that it's very accurate, that data is nowhere near the whole truth and if you think so, I suggest you think again.

So before you go ahead and call someone a liar, maybe you should consider what facts you actually have.

Originally Posted by Spordo

Right, that makes so much sense, I'd better send a bug report then because I have more than 1k commendations. Clearly it's a bug, since you found that. Tell me exactly where I ever stated that I gained the commendations on my defiler and my defiler alone? I logged my defiler to test the new functionality of the class, more specifically, the increased effectiveness of the flies, then I logged my Weaver to test the functionality of the new poison-pips. All that took me less than an hour and landed me around 1k commendations.


Again, I never said I was on my defiler when I killed anyone. I never said I killed anyone solo either so yes, while the data you posted is in no way false, I'll even say that it's very accurate, that data is nowhere near the whole truth and if you think so, I suggest you think again.

So before you go ahead and call someone a liar, maybe you should consider what facts you actually have.

You got 1k commendations for doing the one time TR T2 Map deed. But you said quests only.

So let's count your Spider quests too.

PROVEN DEDICATION - 20 commendations, 0 infamy
RECLAIMING THE FALLEN - 20 commendations, 0 infamy
MASH - 30 commendations, 40 infamy
TASTY LITTLE LEGS - 30 commendations, 80 infamy
A DASH OF THIS AND THAT - 30 commendations, 60 infamy
NOT JUST FOR EATING - 30 commendations, 60 infamy

= 160 commendations, 240 infamy

And you also 4 commendations for PvPing.

150 + 160 + 4 = 314 commendations from quests/PvPing

Still nowhere near 1k commendations from quests/PvPing.

Retrospect rewards for commendations dont really matter considering that when this PvP season ends everyone will have to grind out the commendations again for audacity plus another few levels of audacity. The commendation costs are just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by PropJoe

-snip-

Right then Mr Private detective, while you're at it snooping around my characters I'm sure you can find where exactly I got the rest of my commendations. Feel free to post them as well if that pleases you. When you're done, please remove the stick from your bum.

Retroactively rewarding is still detrimental, which is my point.

Newbies acquiring commendations significantly faster than vets..... :/. Rank should give access to a % off commendation purchase or something similar.

Originally Posted by Spordo

Rewarding. old. merits. is. detrimental. to. a. pvp. environment.

..and as Lestache said, they haven't retroactively rewarded anyone for previous deeds.
.

#
Who is it detrimental to, you? In reality, when the new season comes and current gear is made defunct it won't be to anyones detriment that I was rewarded for titles it took me two years + to attain. Are you kidding me?# Having saved up enough commendations from deeds to get 2-3 more armour pieces is detrimental to your gameplay?

In reality not rewarding is more detrimental because in the long run new players will have made more commendations, for the same effort. So, in general......lol?

Originally Posted by zaskoda

#
Who is it detrimental to, you? In reality, when the new season comes and current gear is made defunct it won't be to anyones detriment that I was rewarded for titles it took me two years + to attain. Are you kidding me?# Having saved up enough commendations from deeds to get 2-3 more armour pieces is detrimental to your gameplay?

In reality not rewarding is more detrimental because in the long run new players will have made more commendations, for the same effort. So, in general......lol?

You clearly have no interest/ability to see things from any other perspective or simply cannot understand any other viewpoint so I'll leave you to your misery. This discussion has come full-circle. I have already explained why it's detrimental and to whom, you're just unable/unwilling to understand.

In every case a player is rewarded with the compensation defined at the time of deed acquisition. The reward changed, there is no justification for being paid twice.

Originally Posted by Spordo

You clearly have no interest/ability to see things from any other perspective or simply cannot understand any other viewpoint so I'll leave you to your misery. This discussion has come full-circle. I have already explained why it's detrimental and to whom, you're just unable/unwilling to understand.

And you seem to be incapable of grasping that if a player acquires these commendations faster than others (through said deeds) and it's apparently "detrimental" than that is less a case of retroactive rewarding thats detrimental versus the have/have-not disparity created by the system in the first place.

Good systems don't give better rewards to later players for the same thing, period. Don't be naive.

Originally Posted by Siege_of_Mirkwood

Yeah , I noticed it right when the update was released and I was really disappointed. I have all maps , every slayer/conqueror deed done. I could easily get another 10,000 commendations from there.

Then they need to open up the deeds to be redone, cause now its HARDER for vets to get comms than it is on a low rank.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

And you seem to be incapable of grasping that if a player acquires these commendations faster than others (through said deeds) and it's apparently "detrimental" than that is less a case of retroactive rewarding thats detrimental versus the have/have-not disparity created by the system in the first place.

Good systems don't give better rewards to later players for the same thing, period. Don't be naive.

I'll simply quote this in reply to that:

Originally Posted by FlyPhish

In every case a player is rewarded with the compensation defined at the time of deed acquisition. The reward changed, there is no justification for being paid twice.

The real question is: why have a cap for commendations in the first place? It seems pretty stupid to me. DP didn't have a cap iirc, so why should this, as well as other bartering/spendable capabilities.

I agree with all the people that are vets, and give us our commendations that we deserve. /sign

Also, how about just removing the cap? Makes absolutely no sense to have one imo, don't see the purpose, really.

In addition, for all you people that are complaining about the dp being useless, there is still a use. If it's any consolation, you can use it on the renown/infamy 10% experience bonus, which now also gives you 10% commendations as well. Not much, but makes the grind less tedious and better than having no use at all.

Originally Posted by Spordo

I'll simply quote this in reply to that:

I'll simply state: the deed gave nothing besides a lousy copy-paste title with a copy-paste description. Anything else?

Actually checked earlier, I have 16,700 commendations worth of pvp deeds completed.



Being paid twice assumes you were paid once, if that were the case it'd still be a poor point.

Originally Posted by zaskoda

I'll simply state: the deed gave nothing besides a lousy copy-paste title with a copy-paste description. Anything else?

Actually checked earlier, I have 16,700 commendations worth of pvp deeds completed.

Being paid twice assumes you were paid once, if that were the case it'd still be a poor point.

Yeah, sad but true, but the system changed, that doesn't change the fact that under the system in which you finished the deed, there was no reward for it. Sucks to be you.

Originally Posted by BoonerDude

The real question is: why have a cap for commendations in the first place? It seems pretty stupid to me. DP didn't have a cap iirc, so why should this, as well as other bartering/spendable capabilities.

Seems to me that the idea is to reset everyone Audacity-wise with each new "season", and a Commendations cap ensures that everyone will have to do some grinding every season rather than store up a bunch of Commendations and immediately top off Audacity and whatever else may have changed.

Does that sound fun to most of us? Doesn't seem to, but it's apparently the direction that things are going.

Originally Posted by Lestache

Seems to me that the idea is to reset everyone Audacity-wise with each new "season", and a Commendations cap ensures that everyone will have to do some grinding every season rather than store up a bunch of Commendations and immediately top off Audacity and whatever else may have changed.

Does that sound fun to most of us? Doesn't seem to, but it's apparently the direction that things are going.

To be honest, I wish they'd "borrowed" a certain other system in terms of seasons. They should've left skills+traits+skins as purchasable with DP, and leave the quest rewards as DP. Let commendations be turned into DP (on a 1:1 scale). Only Audacity must be purchased with commendations.

At the end of each season, everyone has their commendations turned into DP, the current audacity ranks cost DP, and the new audacity ranks cost commendations. Everyone is forced to grind again.


That way getting "into" PvMP is easy since it's just the old system, people can buy skills+traits at the right rank. The longer grind is catching up on audacity, but that is easy for "last seasons' audacity" and only hard for the current ranks.

First they make all the high ranked skills and traits that vets worked for buyable with turbine points, now they give rewards to new players when vets can't even redo the deeds.

Its a bit OT but still..


Found out that quite alot Ppl start a r0 Creep do the Conqueror Deed Quest = 2k or 2,5k Commendations in like 1h or less..
Delete that r0 Creep,make it new and start all over again.. On my Server atleast a pretty darn fast way to get commendations,since PvP action is small..


Now,veterans that have each creep class and at a decent medium or even higher rank
cant do this unless they start deleting one of theyr chars...

And still ppl tell me its completely fine how Veterans get treated there ?..


I gave up tho,we wont get anything for our completed Deeds,neither will we get the chance to complete them again..
We can just deal with it.

Originally Posted by Cillion

Its a bit OT but still..


Found out that quite alot Ppl start a r0 Creep do the Conqueror Deed Quest = 2k or 2,5k Commendations in like 1h or less..
Delete that r0 Creep,make it new and start all over again.. On my Server atleast a pretty darn fast way to get commendations,since PvP action is small..


Now,veterans that have each creep class and at a decent medium or even higher rank
cant do this unless they start deleting one of theyr chars...

And still ppl tell me its completely fine how Veterans get treated there ?..


I gave up tho,we wont get anything for our completed Deeds,neither will we get the chance to complete them again..
We can just deal with it.

Yup, it's absolutely stupid. I don't mind that much if I don't get retroactive rewards for deeds I've done in the past, but veterans actually starting at a disadvantage compared to new players (or those that haven't filled their creep slots) is totally ridiculous.

Would all of you complainers like some cheese with your whine? I mean really, good grief.

Its strikes me that several of you didn’t' read the dev diary completely, or have forgotten parts of it, etc. It was very clear that one of the main goals was to make newer creeps more relevant. If you didn't catch that...read up again. It’s quite clear. Sorry to disappoint you if you missed that.

For all of us (you) "vets" (whatever that means) who are supposedly injured over no recognition for past accomplishments I would like to point out that while newer players can get the current reward system token for completing deeds and you did not/can't - you did earn something. You earned: experience, which skill to use when, what strat to use against what class, when and when not to flank, what to do solo, in a small group or in a raid...etc etc etc etc and you earned the ability to have access to higher skills and cosmetics - so...suck it up. That drivel is ####.

It was also very clear that the emphasis is on PVP not PVE, though there will always be those who grind and for different reasons. It has nothing to do with how long you get to play, casual or not, blah blah blah. What you are really complaining about is the pace at which you earn. I do agree it is slower than even I was hoping for.

No where have we seen that once you reach the cap you can't earn more commendations. It’s quite simple: reach the cap - spend the commendations - earn more commendations - reach the cap, spend the commendations. Rinse and repeat all the while ranking up and getting access to those gated skills and skins and higher powered potions and buffs. Rinse and repeat....

In short, quit your whining, suck it up, stop spewing your ####...and if you don't like the direction they've gone...well...go take it out on the battlefield, playing against the side you like to beat on the most.

Funny thing is some of these Aholie freeps telling u it's fair, and suck it up, are rolling greenie creeps doing intro stuff, reaping rewards only freepside vets can!

If u arnt a freepside vet, (your a creep vet) u have every toon to a certain rank, with maps!

So once again, dar I say it, freep nobs have it easier...again.


Love u devs for all your hardly work.

Originally Posted by andylarsen

Would all of you complainers like some cheese with your whine? I mean really, good grief.

Its strikes me that several of you didn’t' read the dev diary completely, or have forgotten parts of it, etc. It was very clear that one of the main goals was to make newer creeps more relevant. If you didn't catch that...read up again. It’s quite clear. Sorry to disappoint you if you missed that.

For all of us (you) "vets" (whatever that means) who are supposedly injured over no recognition for past accomplishments I would like to point out that while newer players can get the current reward system token for completing deeds and you did not/can't - you did earn something. You earned: experience, which skill to use when, what strat to use against what class, when and when not to flank, what to do solo, in a small group or in a raid...etc etc etc etc and you earned the ability to have access to higher skills and cosmetics - so...suck it up. That drivel is ####.

It was also very clear that the emphasis is on PVP not PVE, though there will always be those who grind and for different reasons. It has nothing to do with how long you get to play, casual or not, blah blah blah. What you are really complaining about is the pace at which you earn. I do agree it is slower than even I was hoping for.

No where have we seen that once you reach the cap you can't earn more commendations. It’s quite simple: reach the cap - spend the commendations - earn more commendations - reach the cap, spend the commendations. Rinse and repeat all the while ranking up and getting access to those gated skills and skins and higher powered potions and buffs. Rinse and repeat....

In short, quit your whining, suck it up, stop spewing your ####...and if you don't like the direction they've gone...well...go take it out on the battlefield, playing against the side you like to beat on the most.

Yeah, clearly forcing green creeps to buy skills by making the low-rank skills unobtainable because the commendation cost is too high and encouraging people to abuse the ingenious lack of creep/freep lockout by making the easy-to-complete PvE deeds worth 500 comm's is a great direction for pvp.#

Clearly unreasonable to ask to not be screwed over. Completely unrealistic.

Meh - just adapt. My main is my warg so I rolled a BA. Run up to Isen, turn in reinforcements every day. After 10 days, you wind up with 900 comms for 3 minutes a day of work. Delete the toon, reroll and repeat. Do this with a few alts and you make up for the amount of comms Turbine screwed you out of.

If your fairly new to the game (Spordo), then you might not understand why there are some veteran players who have very legitimate concerns about deeds, and other various functionalities within this game. If we didn't enjoy lotro, then there would be no reason to even care about those types of things. It's not that we don't care about new players, that would be far from the truth. But these things, whether you feel they are trivial or not, have happened on numerous occasions in the past. And, from my experience, if you go quietly.......then nothing will change . Sometimes you gotta make some noise in order to be heard.


Here's my own little perspective:

I have 6 active creeps (with maps), and 5 active freeps (with rank). I am mathematically screwed if I believe that I'll acquire enough commendations in order to rank up Audacity on even half of them in a season. Every season that goes by is just another hole I will be constantly trying to dig out of. So if I can get any amount of Commendations from all my hard effort I've put in through the years, and all the real $$$ I've invested into this game, then YES, I would appreciate it if Turbine thought about us old vets.


The real sad part is that unless I farm Commendations, I don't see how I'll be able to continue to compete on the highest level in this game's PvMP anymore.....which I will NOT do......but the whole idea that I even thought about farming is totally contradictory to what Commendations are suppost to do: To encourage pvp.

Its a setup for the next phase as far as I'm concerned. Once Rohan comes full board (maybe sooner), you'll be able to purchase commendations from the store! That's my unofficial stand, and I'll be really surprised if this doesn't happen.

The fact that people see deleting a character and redoing something as the most viable way to get a working character already tells that its borked. If I was new to pvmp and making a new creep, I simply wouldn't because the amount of work needed for a slightly usable creep is akin to lvling a freep from 0 to 75 and maxing out virtues.

Originally Posted by Kurtdg21

If your fairly new to the game (Spordo), then you might not understand why there are some veteran players who have very legitimate concerns about deeds, and other various functionalities within this game. If we didn't enjoy lotro, then there would be no reason to even care about those types of things. It's not that we don't care about new players, that would be far from the truth. But these things, whether you feel they are trivial or not, have happened on numerous occasions in the past. And, from my experience, if you go quietly.......then nothing will change . Sometimes you gotta make some noise in order to be heard.

Being new has nothing to do with my view of rewarding past accomplishments. Chalking my opinion off to something like that might make sense to you but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Kurtdg21

Here's my own little perspective:

I have 6 active creeps (with maps), and 5 active freeps (with rank). I am mathematically screwed if I believe that I'll acquire enough commendations in order to rank up Audacity on even half of them in a season. Every season that goes by is just another hole I will be constantly trying to dig out of. So if I can get any amount of Commendations from all my hard effort I've put in through the years, and all the real $$$ I've invested into this game, then YES, I would appreciate it if Turbine thought about us old vets.

While I can understand your view, I still think that it is detrimental to reward big chunks of comms for no current effort what so ever. Because that's exactly what it is, no current effort at all. Past efforts yes but doling out those comms does nothing to promote PvP or any activity in the moors at all.

Originally Posted by Kurtdg21

The real sad part is that unless I farm Commendations, I don't see how I'll be able to continue to compete on the highest level in this game's PvMP anymore.....which I will NOT do......but the whole idea that I even thought about farming is totally contradictory to what Commendations are suppost to do: To encourage pvp.

Its a setup for the next phase as far as I'm concerned. Once Rohan comes full board (maybe sooner), you'll be able to purchase commendations from the store! That's my unofficial stand, and I'll be really surprised if this doesn't happen.

I do agree with you that the system is set up wrong seeing as the goal was to promote PvP yet PvE is the way people are farming commendations. The rewards for actual PvP needs to be increased a lot if this system is to have any effect at all.

On the other hand, the whole PvMP-system is skewed seeing as one side NEEDs the comms for their skills while the other side really doesn't need anything at all. Freeps come fully pimped to the moors. They should separate the creep skill-purchasing system from the Audacity and Commendations in my opinion. Let PvP reward Commendations and Audacity be purchasable with comms and comms alone. Re-vamp the way creeps gain skills, preferably give creeps their skills for free upon ranking up.

Originally Posted by Spordo

Being new has nothing to do with my view of rewarding past accomplishments. Chalking my opinion off to something like that might make sense to you but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Maybe, only time will tell

Originally Posted by Spordo

While I can understand your view, I still think that it is detrimental to reward big chunks of comms for no current effort what so ever. Because that's exactly what it is, no current effort at all. Past efforts yes but doling out those comms does nothing to promote PvP or any activity in the moors at all.

What might seem like big chunks of commendations in your view is a rather small amount from where I'm standing. If I were awarded commendations for all my previous deeds done, I'd still be less than 3/11 of the way towards bringing all my toons to the competitive standard. Even if this was the case.....where Turbine did reward past deeds with commendations, I would still be in the same boat I was previously: Mathematically unable to obtain enough commendations for the rest of my toons. This argument further exacerbates another issue: Uni-dimensional player-base; or, players that are perceptually limiting what toon they bring out specifically due to the Audacity gap (my sly definition ). For us altaholics........a major no mucho bueno reguardless of the language used to describe it. But, all is not lost. There is something that we both can agree on at least, and that is the implementation of Commendations/Audacity.

Originally Posted by Spordo

I do agree with you that the system is set up wrong seeing as the goal was to promote PvP yet PvE is the way people are farming commendations. The rewards for actual PvP needs to be increased a lot if this system is to have any effect at all.

I shared my concerns about this during the Commendations Dev Diary, and lo and behold......I really, seriously, didn't want to say it....but I will. I told ya so!

Originally Posted by Spordo

On the other hand, the whole PvMP-system is skewed seeing as one side NEEDs the comms for their skills while the other side really doesn't need anything at all. Freeps come fully pimped to the moors. They should separate the creep skill-purchasing system from the Audacity and Commendations in my opinion. Let PvP reward Commendations and Audacity be purchasable with comms and comms alone. Re-vamp the way creeps gain skills, preferably give creeps their skills for free upon ranking up.

I think somewhere they goofed the Commendation reward system. I'm pretty sure I remember reading very different numbers in terms of how many Commendations were acquired through pvp means. Instead, we got a copy/paste version that is identical to the amount of DP gained relative to Infamy/Renown earned.

Maybe it wasn't implemented correctly......it wouldn't suprised me. PvMP Vets are immune to surprises regarding the Moors. Its gotta be the DR. After 9 applications, you're immune......or worse, playing SWTOR.

Has an official answer been given for this yet? I really cannot be bothered to sherlock all these 'I'm right and you're wrong' multi-quote keyboard warrior posts for 5 pages to find out tbh.

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Has an official answer been given for this yet? I really cannot be bothered to sherlock all these 'I'm right and you're wrong' multi-quote keyboard warrior posts for 5 pages to find out tbh.

Same answer most legitimate concern threads get, it seems.

Originally Posted by Spordo

Heads up, wall of text incoming, text-wall tangents included! Reading-impaired are excused!


M.O.O.N. - That spells read! Yes, sir.

You are WRONG Spordo! M.O.O.N. - That spells Tom Cullen! Get it right!



BTW, win for the obscure The Stand reference.

Originally Posted by Spordo

They should separate the creep skill-purchasing system from the Audacity and Commendations in my opinion. Let PvP reward Commendations and Audacity be purchasable with comms and comms alone.

This part is an excellent idea. Commendations through PvP only and only used to buy ranks of Audacity, destiny points through PvE only and only used to buy skills and buffs, and infamy through both PvP and PvE.

Pretty typical move for Turbine these days - screwing veteran players while they stand there and grin. I don't know why I keep hoping they'll come up with a way to fix PvMP, since everything they do just screws it up more. What a waste of man hours and money...

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Has an official answer been given for this yet? I really cannot be bothered to sherlock all these 'I'm right and you're wrong' multi-quote keyboard warrior posts for 5 pages to find out tbh.

Nope, no blue name answer to anything about Commendations in the Moors in any thread. The only exception was a Chicken Play quest outside the Moors. The entry cost was apparently bugged, changing from 500 DP to 500 Commies. They're looking into that.

I'm beginning to suspect this is the system we're stuck with.