Thread: Ultimate Evernight Thread: Evernight strikes back part 4

Originally Posted by Louvre

Now I get it !

Ha ha very funny .

Well, I'm sorry.

Sarcasm hard to get through nowadays.

What about Liliwing? I heard she's proburg.

Originally Posted by Bobse

What about Liliwing? I heard she's proburg.

she is.. she needs to play more often though

Originally Posted by Bobse

What about Liliwing? I heard she's proburg.

You heard wrong.
Failing to kill a spider 2v1 with 2 burgs =/= proburg.

zS.

Originally Posted by laphorrr

Fixed that for you.

Yes, that must be it. Creeps never solo.
Hurr durr smart elff

Originally Posted by Bobse

What about Liliwing? I heard she's proburg.

Defo my favourite burg by far .

So tasty and tender and yummy .

Originally Posted by Ladrir

You heard wrong.
Failing to kill a spider 2v1 with 2 burgs =/= proburg.

zS.

Pics or geeteeeffoooo

You were too op.

Bobbbbbeyh r ubre burg!

i never see a burg i'm lore master, no need to target a burg ! :P

And anyway ... play solo ruin the etten


it's a mmorpg not a mortal combat online

Originally Posted by Guiwinner

i never see a burg i'm lore master, no need to target a burg ! :P

And anyway ... play solo ruin the etten


it's a mmorpg not a mortal combat online

Shh, all that's important is that Loremasters and burglars taste delicious

Originally Posted by Calengir

Shh, all that's important is that Loremasters and burglars taste delicious

Low ranked freeps ftw

Solo Burz ftw :P

Not many burgs play these days tbh ,had big rush of burgs yesterday most i seen for long time ,norm only handful on lot wargs popping up i noticed ,nothing like smell of roasting warg slowly rotating on a spit

Originally Posted by minnimeepouch

Solo Burz ftw :P

Not many burgs play these days tbh ,had big rush of burgs yesterday most i seen for long time ,norm only handful on lot wargs popping up i noticed ,nothing like smell of roasting warg slowly rotating on a spit

We had great fun with all those burgs yesterday! would love to see them back again it was really quite fun . As for you my little hobbit friend, how on middle earth did you elude all those tracks from us?? We couldnt believe it!

Originally Posted by Featherpaws

We had great fun with all those burgs yesterday! would love to see them back again it was really quite fun . As for you my little hobbit friend, how on middle earth did you elude all those tracks from us?? We couldnt believe it!

Idd they are fun... :P! They die so fast!

Originally Posted by Featherpaws

As for you my little hobbit friend, how on middle earth did you elude all those tracks from us?? We couldnt believe it!

Traited hobbit stealth sounds silly on a burg but its saved my hobbit ### alot also why swim across the river when you can swim up it ,was so funny think i had 6 tracks all in a row sometimes hiding with the enemy is the safest place

Originally Posted by minnimeepouch

Traited hobbit stealth sounds silly on a burg but its saved my hobbit ### alot also why swim across the river when you can swim up it ,was so funny think i had 6 tracks all in a row sometimes hiding with the enemy is the safest place

Not silly I think Im traited with hobbit stealth also, seems right for a stealth class in my opinion! and yes it was hilarious, you did you had at least 6 tracks, thats why we were so puzzled! that was meant to be escape proof but alas, only you could manage it . Ill certainly keep in mind that hiding with the enemy can be the better course to take. "the closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm - its the least thing theyll expect"

So, been playing lotro again for a couple of days now, and I just want to know, why does turbine hate me so much?
### did they do to my WL? Why is it as weak as a greeny?
I managed to get killed by a burglar in less than 10 seconds.
My BA has 13k+ hp, still takes only 2-3 seconds for 2 burglars to kill it.
I haven't dared play my warg yet, I fear I will break the record and manage to die in less than a second.

Yeah, commendations, audacity, battlefield promotions, whatever. Seems turbine still hasn't figured out how to do pvp.

Originally Posted by Rarrl

So, been playing lotro again for a couple of days now, and I just want to know, why does turbine hate me so much?
### did they do to my WL? Why is it as weak as a greeny?
I managed to get killed by a burglar in less than 10 seconds.
My BA has 13k+ hp, still takes only 2-3 seconds for 2 burglars to kill it.
I haven't dared play my warg yet, I fear I will break the record and manage to die in less than a second.

Yeah, commendations, audacity, battlefield promotions, whatever. Seems turbine still hasn't figured out how to do pvp.

With each update they screw it up just a little more... Looks like it's all about turning Ettenmoors into a money machine.

Anyways, thanks for the spars Jcwulf & Gattsu, was fun.

Action was absolutely dire this evening, saw about 7 Mincers camping Lug GY. Its Burg Territory, leave.

So, Dusky...when will you learn that Wargs can solo? Ridiculous packs are ridiculous. Most undeserved r12 of the server.

Originally Posted by Merebrand

So, Dusky...when will you learn that Wargs can solo? Ridiculous packs are ridiculous. Most undeserved r12 of the server.

Can we ask that same question to burglars and minstrels on this server ?

Let's check our comrades before starting to point out our enemies .

Interesting point little burglar. Should we level the same accusation against any number of Freeps who group up at every opportunity to maximise their ability despite overwhelming numerical, tactical, healing and damage odds in their favour?

"Undeserved" you say? I'd rather have one Dusky at my side than any number of fair weather Freeps who vanish at the merest hint of anything approaching a decent fight. Lest we forget, we are speaking of a kind doggie who runs in her apparently indomitable packs with any number of young pups.

Perhaps we'd do well to remember that burg packs are not in themselves an unknown entity either, despite a single one being more capable of effectively taking down most monsters they choose, usually by way of graveyard camping or singling out weak targets in the midst of a battle. Or should this behaviour also provoke our ire?

We should each take our beatings, and hand them out when we can, without resulting to such insults.

*Edit* I have had my goblin scribe Maude's fingers broken for failing to complete this transcription before Louvre could reply first, evidently we were printing our correspondence at the same time, I must enquire as to the availability of his own scribe for hire.

Originally Posted by ThingoMD

*Edit* I have had my goblin scribe Maude's fingers broken for failing to complete this transcription before Louvre could reply first, evidently we were printing our correspondence at the same time, I must enquire as to the availability of his own scribe for hire.

I must confess I was eavesdropping while you dictated your speech .

It's one of the disadvantages of grouping up with a warg full of nosey fleas !

Originally Posted by Merebrand

So, Dusky...when will you learn that Wargs can solo? Ridiculous packs are ridiculous. Most undeserved r12 of the server.

Wargs are so UP, they cannot solo, thus they have the warg packs.

Originally Posted by Bobse

Action was absolutely dire this evening, saw about 7 Mincers camping Lug GY. Its Burg Territory, leave.

Agreed, that was possibly the lamest Saturday night in Ettens I can remember Wasn't many creeps, maybe we were missing a few regulars due to GW2 beta weekend?

Btw the guardian riding through OC and over the back wall to pull tyrant out so the rest of your group could farm creeps is double lame. Not sure it's an exploit but doesn't seem fair tactics to me.

Yup, it was awful... I guess there weren't enough creeps generally, but over 50% of the creeps online being wargs and ganking soloers in packs of 6-8 doesn't help either side. Obviously it isn't fun for freeps being ganked by 8 wargs, and the rest of the creeps end up massively outnumbered (when they could probably put up a decent fight if those wargs were with them).

Undeserved" you say? I'd rather have one Dusky at my side than any number of fair weather Freeps who vanish at the merest hint of anything approaching a decent fight. Lest we forget, we are speaking of a kind doggie who runs in her apparently indomitable packs with any number of young pups.

I have a lot of respect for you Thingo, but really... Dusky is about as good as Rodin & Bando at this game. Turning around is a skill that seems to have eluded her thus far, walking backwards doesn't generally work too well. Also, the warg packs we regularly see are far from indomitable, they just don't show up when they don't have at least a 2x numerical advantage... If they do, 3 good freeps can usually wipe them without problems (not because wargs are underpowered, just because the wargs that regularly run in large packs like that are almost all terrible players individually, with a couple of exceptions).

Originally Posted by Tarenius

but over 50% of the creeps online being wargs and ganking soloers in packs of 6-8 doesn't help either side.

Funny , because I only logged for about 4-6 minutes tonight . First found Fingerz & Pouch ( don't know if they were grouped , but if they were not they were still 1 m from each other ) . Then , when I thought I could have a fight with Fingerz , I got jumped by you & Pouch ( and then a freep group ) .

One action ( by creeps ) does not justify the other ( by freeps ) . Why are we so eager to point out at people when we're doing exactly the same ?

Originally Posted by Tarenius

Also, the warg packs we regularly see are far from indomitable, they just don't show up when they don't have at least a 2x numerical advantage... If they do, 3 good freeps can usually wipe them without problems (not because wargs are underpowered, just because the wargs that regularly run in large packs like that are almost all terrible players individually, with a couple of exceptions).

I see you're missing the irony here . Thingo is clearly mocking freeps , who are superior damage wise / class design wise to creeps , complaining about warg packs wich are frecuently made up of low ranked wargs and maybe as you happily pointed to us , lack the experience / skill to kill experienced freeps .

Who are we trying to fool ? This server has many eyes , and too few players .

Originally Posted by Louvre

Funny , because I only logged for about 4-6 minutes tonight . First found Fingerz & Pouch ( don't know if they were grouped , but if they were not they were still 1 m from each other ) . Then , when I thought I could have a fight with Fingerz , I got jumped by you & Pouch ( and then a freep group ) .

So what? That is how the moors goes, you almost never get a decent 1v1 outside sparring areas (also, TR was flipped a few seconds before, so I'm not sure what you really expect fighting just outside the main gate). Fingy definitely wasn't grouped with Pouch (or me). If people posted on the forums each time they got ganked this thread would be 5000 pages long.

One action ( by creeps ) does not justify the other ( by freeps ) . Why are we so eager to point out at people when we're doing exactly the same ?

Who said it did? I even said the action tonight was dire.

I see you're missing the irony here . Thingo is clearly mocking freeps , who are superior damage wise / class design wise to creeps , complaining about warg packs wich are frecuently made up of low ranked wargs and maybe as you happily pointed to us , lack the experience / skill to kill experienced freeps .

Who are we trying to fool ? This server has many eyes , and too few players .

I don't really mind the warg packs, usually get some decent renown from them. If those 8 wargs were playing anything except wargs & were with the rest of the creeps they wouldn't have been outnumbered, so if anything warg packs are worse for the rest of the creeps than freeps. It doesn't matter how bad or inexperienced the wargs are in an 8v1.

My good man Tarenius, I was indeed making the point that the warg pack mentioned are, on occasions, far from indomitable, raising the question why anyone would care to complain about them.

However, I stand by what I said. My admiration for Rodin and Bando is also well known, it was my great pleasure to group with them when last I visited Freepside for a tour of the 'Moors. Again, I would rather have them by my side than those who would flee at the first sign of a decent fight.

Many times Dusky has joined me and fought bravely. I have also been an honorary member of chaotic warg packs. Perhaps we value different things in our chosen companions. I merely state I would rather have people willing to fight beside me to the bitter end than those who only care to be seen on the field when victory is an assurance rather than something to be earned.

I speak not for the skill of anyone, least of all myself, but rather the determination and will to carry a fight.

Nobody should be mocked or put down. You know as well as any that when I am amongst a supposed "A-team", I guess we could say, that we can bring terror to Freeps. Indeed it has been my honour in the past to battle alongside you. But I value, and have just as much fun with, those who for some reason are looked down upon.

This does a disservice to all involved and only hampers the already disreputable standing of our server.

I also wonder just how many of those who like to pick on Warg Stalkers do so as a result of the number of teeth marks in their backsides.

Fair enough. Commenting on someones ability doesn't mean I dislike them as a person, though... I don't know Dusky at all, and I have nothing against Rodin/Bando. Both Dusky and Rodin/Bando do try to run away regularly though... The majority of the time they fail, but that isn't through a lack of trying.

I did not mean to infer you were making personal attacks on those in question sir. I have nothing against any Freep, least of all one I have battled bravely, to the death, alongside such as yourself.

I can be frequently heard yelling for revenge when I perceive some slight against me, but once I have helped kill the offending party once for me the slate is wiped clean, even if I've died a dozen times on my vengeance crusade. I hold no long term grudges against anyone and have always, and will always, welcome any Freep to monster land if they fight just as bravely with me as against.

And we all turn tail, figuratively at least if we possess none, and flee at times. I only just realised this minute, looking at your signature, that I chased your burg on the hasty back foot this very night. There is no shame in beating a retreat when the odds are stacked against you. Taking the opportunity to place your foe in harm's way as you flee is only good strategy. I myself frequently soil my tunic on a regular basis if there is no chance for a kill.

Neither of us are in the habit of moaning about what goes on in the field. The 'Moors is what it is. Once again I say we should all take our beatings, and give them back when we can, without need for insult or injury to ego. I only bemoan the spirit of our server at times, each side being as guilty as the other, we have many great and unique players. We should wish for more, not attack one another in a game of moot point forum tennis.

No, of course nothing wrong with running away (and really, I don't think I'd be in a position to have a go at someone else for doing it with this sig. ). I was just pointing out that in some cases being unable to escape is mistaken for "bravery".

Just my opinion.
warg packs are a part of the action and have allways been. making a 8 warg group to pick fights of 8vs1 or 8vs2, and all wargs hipsing or sprinting when numbers get higher every time gets kind of tiring. why not make this groups to go for other groups? I know zerging happens both sides and I've had my share of burgs pwning my creeps. But my opinion of it is the same for both sides. Making a group to fight a group is fun and should be done, making a group to go after freeps when they are small numbers, like one or two and only engaging on sure to win fights because of number advantage is... lame.
Anyways had my share of fun fights with this warg pack yesterday, and i rly think they should keep going for it, but... pick better fights even if you die. dont make every single fight a 8vs1 10s fight.

Originally Posted by Tarenius

Yup, it was awful... I guess there weren't enough creeps generally, but over 50% of the creeps online being wargs and ganking soloers in packs of 6-8 doesn't help either side. Obviously it isn't fun for freeps being ganked by 8 wargs, and the rest of the creeps end up massively outnumbered (when they could probably put up a decent fight if those wargs were with them)..

Just for the record myself and a hell of a lot of other wargs play completely solo. Sometimes it may look like we grouped cause we normally know where and when to pounce.

I have no problems with wargs grouping though, can you blame them when faced by captain/whatever duo/ threesome or the new warden god mode class? Not sure 6-8 packs necessary unless fighting big freep groups. A big pack should also avoid gy soloers, but thats just my opinion.

I'd also like to add that atm warg is one of the most viable classes to play. Imo it's the most fun creep class with some really nice (and needed) changes in update 6. No creep wants to be zerged over n over by grouped freeps, or ganked solo whilst doing pve quests. With the warg class you gotta chance of avoiding that.

On a more positive note, update 7 goes to Bullroarer late next week. Hopefully we get some needed revisions to defiler,WL and reaver. If so I'm sure we will see more variety of creep classes playing.

Saying creeps being grouped? Trolololololol. If im not grouped and try to attack 2 rks and 1 minstrel, im dead on 4sec. So how can you play solo when its only easy moders? And why wouldnt it be warg packs? ITs only way to get away from your silly OC farm, without stealth=farmed. So THINK before complain about being ganked, creep want infamy aswell. If you feel to farm= you get ganked, very simple.

Originally Posted by Zoggo

On a more positive note, update 7 goes to Bullroarer late next week. Hopefully we get some needed revisions to defiler,WL and reaver. If so I'm sure we will see more variety of creep classes playing.

Good news! I absolutely hate it that warg is the new fotm atm.

Noticed the comments about our usual packs and Dusky.

First of all, our packs accept ANY warg wanting to join regardless of experience and skill. This means that we often have low ranks who, due to commendation skill prices, lack the most basic of warg skills. The reason behind this is that a r0 warg can't solo and without help and support will likely leave just as fast again.
Apart from that many of us enjoy grouping as we tend to chat a lot while in a pack. Often just random conversation but having fun with friends should never be discouraged imo.

With regards to Dusky dying often. You clearly have never been in one of our warg packs and as such do not know the communication we usually have during fights. Often it's shouted out when a warg uses a CC skill (we have limited debuffs and CCs and don't want to waste them) and if we're running out of CC, Dusky will use Topple (this shares a cd with disappear). We take turns sprinting after horses so often most or all escape skills are on cd if we've had good action. Also in our warg packs the basic idea is that if you can get a kill but is sure to die, then get that kill anyway.

Apart from that, when fights turn against us then there are a couple of the wargs, Dusky included, who will often stay in the fight to give the rest of us time to run. I would never call this lack of skill, rather it's consideration for the rest of the pack.

I've regularly been chased down be a group of freeps only to have a fellow warg pounce one of them and distract them. More often than not the warg who distracts the freeps will die.
This is very useful with regards to maps. If a warg has no maps off cd then it's better for that warg to survive than a warg who has maps available. It's simply useful for gathering the pack up again to try to ensure that the wargs who have maps on cd don't need to walk too far.
Also if a warg states that he/she has all escapes on cd then often that warg will stay behind and fight when the fight's turning nasty since that buys time for the rest to get away.

As a freep you should be very careful about commenting on ppl in a group unless you actually know the communication in the group. When you're in a group you don't act to your own advantage all the time (if you do you'll make a very poor addition to a group at least), you sometimes have to do what's best for the group.
We have a group of wargs used to working together and great together but usually our packs will hold several new and less experienced wargs too who are still learning to work in a pack.

With regards to whether a rank is deserved or not. Is a rank that you got solo, helping no-one but yourself, any more deserved than a rank you got while helping anyone who asked for help and being a kind and friendly addition to a community?
My personal opinion is that if you can see it in you to help others then the rank is a lot more deserved than the rank of a pure soloer.

Edit: I've played solo (Thorrn on Dwarrowdelf), in raids (Dawnsinger on Snowbourn) and in small groups/warg packs (Duskdancer). Had success with all 3 and earned a lot more infamy solo, but because of the good spirit in the warg packs I've come to prefer them more than any other group (thingo excepted, but you're close enough that I'll count you under the enjoyable warg pack anyway ). This is largely Dusky's doing. She makes the pack work together and HAVE FUN TOGETHER which is the most important part of PvMP the way I see.

Well said Dancer, wouldve replied with quote but it was a very large paragraph . To those of you who complain about us, you cannot speak about someone, what theyre thinking and their motives unless youve ran with them and actually know how things work such as our packs and Dusky, if you actually went on creep and spoke to her and hung out with us youd see a very different perspective of thought on the matter. The main reason we have so many of us is as Dancer stated, weve got a close knit tribe and we enjoy eachothers company and chat! You really need to try looking at the bigger picture. Duskys been playing a long while and she does her best to help new creeps and is ALWAYS polite to EVERYONE, Im sure I dont need to tell you that theres alot of people who arent so welcoming to newcomers and low ranks. Freeps group up, so why cant we?

I'm not going to go through every point, but:

- If those are organised packs, I can't wait to fight the unorganised ones.
- Why do you need to be in big groups to chat? You don't have TS/Tribe chat?
- Playing with Dusky would not change my opinion that she is a terrible player. I have said nothing about how she is as a person.
- Freeps group up, yes (as do other creeps) - it's not remotely the same. Can you imagine the uproar if there were regularly groups of 6+ burgs camping the GY? I'm not really complaining about warg packs though, I don't mind them particularly, I just find it funny when people suggest it takes skill & coordination to gank with a group of stealth classes.