Thread: Request of the end of the restricion of classes to the hobbits

Not to mention that hobbits can become surprisingly competent leaders when pressed.

That being said, I'm not gonna cry over them not being captains. They already have enough melee classes, and yet only one tactical class.

Even dwarves have more tactical classes XD

Originally Posted by Moejo

You want the short guys in the front row so you can shoot arrows over their heads. As far as men not following hobbits into battle... men will follow anyone into battle, they just want to fight stuff. Men don't really need a leader in battle, just an enemy.

For your sake, I do hope you're joking.

EDIT: Read the post below mine first! Forums went herpaderp and placed my reply before the post I was replying to :-/

What?

The film did not portray the hobbits as helpless comical midgets. Did you even watch the Moria scene with the hobbits fighting?

Sure, Sam was using a pot to hit goblins, but he was doing so pretty damn effectively.

And it was either Pippin or Merry that climbed up on the troll and stabbed it good, which let Legolas get a killing shot.

Are you talking about the animated film?

Also, Runekeeper is only playable by elves and dwarves. Or did Minstrel somehow become a sith lord without anyone realizing? >_>

I hated the way the films depicted hobbits as defenceless comical midgets.
Sam was slaying orcs when he first saw them in Moria.
I always thought of hobbits as much sturdier until Peter Jackson got hold of them.

Given that we already have a sith-lord class, I don't see why people would object to Hobbit champions.

Originally Posted by Zachski

EDIT: Read the post below mine first! Forums went herpaderp and placed my reply before the post I was replying to :-/

What?

The film did not portray the hobbits as helpless comical midgets. Did you even watch the Moria scene with the hobbits fighting?

Sure, Sam was using a pot to hit goblins, but he was doing so pretty damn effectively.

And it was either Pippin or Merry that climbed up on the troll and stabbed it good, which let Legolas get a killing shot.

Are you talking about the animated film?

Also, Runekeeper is only playable by elves and dwarves. Or did Minstrel somehow become a sith lord without anyone realizing? >_>

The scene is exactly what I am talking about.
In the books, Sam kills an Orc using a sword and a fire burns in his eyes.

In the film, he knocks a few hapless goblins on the head with a cooking pot.
Not very warrior like.

I admit its all down to personal interpretation, but I will always imagine the hobbits in LOTR to be stronger, wiser and more prepared than the film interpretation.
What's interesting about that mental image is that it has never changed, despite watching and enjoying the films several times.

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

For your sake, I do hope you're joking.

I thought it was apparent. Apparently it wasn't.

Considering that LotRO is based in the Third Age, before Merry and Pippin became 'Captains' during the Scouring of the Shire, I don't think that justifies having Captains available for all Hobbits..

Think about it, Merry and Pippin had been thrown into the deep end by their decision to join Frodo and Sam, they got split up and forced into service by two different countries. They were scarred by war, something that our Hobbits despite facing all that Middle-Earth has to throw at us, aren't.

The evidence put forward for Captains is one single line of text AFTER The adventures of LotR, that in itself proves you're taking it out of context as you're trying to apply it to a period in time before the Scouring of the Shire took place!

This game isn't based on 'Fun', it's supposed to be serious (mainly..) MMO based on Tolkien's universe, just because we have RK's and Goats doesn't mean we can add insult to injury and take a single out-of-context quote as gospel.

-TailyB

Originally Posted by Tailborn

Considering that LotRO is based in the Third Age, before Merry and Pippin became 'Captains' during the Scouring of the Shire, I don't think that justifies having Captains available for all Hobbits..

Think about it, Merry and Pippin had been thrown into the deep end by their decision to join Frodo and Sam, they got split up and forced into service by two different countries. They were scarred by war, something that our Hobbits despite facing all that Middle-Earth has to throw at us, aren't.

The evidence put forward for Captains is one single line of text AFTER The adventures of LotR, that in itself proves you're taking it out of context as you're trying to apply it to a period in time before the Scouring of the Shire took place!

This game isn't based on 'Fun', it's supposed to be serious (mainly..) MMO based on Tolkien's universe, just because we have RK's and Goats doesn't mean we can add insult to injury and take a single out-of-context quote as gospel.

-TailyB

I object to your characterization of my citation as "out of context." The Scouring of the Shire is part of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It's near the end of the third book, but it is not after the books. I didn't cite a throw away line from Tolkien's unpublished notes. I cited the very text that this game is based on. If you don't want hobbit captains, fine. That's your opinion. But please don't accuse me of dishonesty just because I support my argument with evidence you don't like.

./signed.

I love playing hobbits and would love to reroll a hobbit captain. Don't see any lore related problems either, as many others have already given examples in which ways hobbits can in fact be considered captains.

Originally Posted by rodin12

I write this post without spirit of polemic of bothering alone nobody ask for help to be able to take all the classes as the big races, do not want polemic only I ask if someone wants to help leaving his signature in order that a hobbit could be the class that wants like champion, loremaster, rune kepper and cpt

I've read this twice and have no idea what it says.

For all those against Hobbit champions, please explain all those bloodthirsty rage filled Elves we all read about in the books that they based Elf champs on.

For all of you who say player hobbits aren't exceptional, I made a tally of what my hobbit has done:

Helped defeat a wraith, Mordirith, in combat (he was Gondors last king, Eanur, for those who don't remember).
Fought Saruman (with help).
Fought his way up to the gates of the Othranc.
Defeated Nazgul about around 3 times.
Fought into the tower of Dol Guldor.
Ventured into the deepest depths of Moria.
Defeated about four black Numenoreans.
Saved Eriador (Vol. 1).
Killed over 300 trolls.
Clear the barrow-down of a bucket load of Barrow-Wights.
Killed more orcs than any other hobbit (and most of the other races) could ever even hope to see in a lifetime.
Met the king of Rohan (though he was poisoned at the time).
Defeated the Watcher in the water (with help).
(Might have missed some)

What did Merry and Pippin ever do?

One killed the Witch-King.
Drank Ent-drought.
Saved the shire.
(Sorry if I missed any)


My hobbit looks pretty exceptional to me. Whats to keep hobbit captain from doing these?

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

Canon lore supports all of two hobbit captains, and not during the War of the Ring. Fact, not opinion. And besides that, Merry and Pippin weren't your average hobbits any more: they'd having drunk Ent-draughts and grown, among other things. (Again, fact and not opinion). Or do you think player-characters should get that perk, too?

Canon lore also only has them leading hobbits, not anybody and everybody. Once again that's fact, not opinion.

Where opinion comes into is that it'd be ridiculous to have someone less than four feet tall leading full-grown Men into battle. Imagine it in a movie, it'd be laughable. Hobbits were only the size of small children (fact) and so lacked the necessary presence. Hell, they wouldn't even be able to keep up during a charge. They could only feasibly command their own people.

What you're engaged in is selective quotation, deliberately taking something out of context. Wake me up when you can muster a better argument than DERP, IT SAY CAPTAIN IN BOOK.

I just want to laugh at you for saying it was a fact that hobbits cant be captains.....Its a fact all of this &&&& is made up and fake. These are not history books you are reading.

Well.....J R R Tolkien did state that the events listed in the books were from an earlier age of the Earth, and that Hobbits were still among us. So in that sense these are history books.