Ya, I could have made this post in SoM. The class was OP back then. 2 minutes of figuring out what skills hit hard and how to get to Anthem of the Wizards and whalaah! Faceroll your way to victory! Quality movement not required!
Ya, I could have made this post in SoM. The class was OP back then. 2 minutes of figuring out what skills hit hard and how to get to Anthem of the Wizards and whalaah! Faceroll your way to victory! Quality movement not required!
I did quite well against minstrels back in SoM era.
"Spiders CC is unbearable... it's just as bad as loremasters" ~ Brodster
You can mock back-pedaling all you want, but when in that situation (6 slowed wargs, him at normal runspeed), that was absolutely the right way to move. Any cute juking and strafing would have given 1-2 wargs his back.
Originally Posted by klover307
someone who could just be taping their "s" key down and clicking skills.
Originally Posted by Sezneg
moves extremely well.
the irony you don't understand is holding "S" doesn't constitute as moving well my whole point in my first post was that someone so unskilled can do exactly what hes doings and beating six wargs while he hardly does a thing. I dont care if you think it was the "right way" to move, what he did takes no skill which is why im pointing it out.
this dudes trying to argue that mini's aren't OP lol?
take off the freep goggles dude
Originally Posted by Spacmanbobr
Anyone who thinks minstrels shouldn't be nerfed fairly hard in one direction, such as not being able to heal at all in WS and given a 20s kill time when they deactive WS (like there used to be... not sure what idiot ever thought it was a good idea to take it out) is just opposed to balanced PvP in this game. Sorry Balidor... but you really are wearing freep goggles .
Ill just say this:
Originally Posted by Doug01
I stopped playing my mini in December because of several reason, one of them being that I could consistently and at times easily beat players whom I knew to better than me. Broken class. Period end.
... I think small changes should be made to fix classes and not major overhauls, but hey thats just my opinion. Lets just keep swinging the pendulum and never really get close to "balanced" like LOTROs track record indicates...
L2READ.
How much of a nerf is what I was discussing, not if one was in order. Understand now? Watch that vid and you'll see that mini getting anywhere form 7k-10k morale a minute from CoS.. IE he'd of died in EVERY ONE of the fights against multiple creeps without it. Power cost used to be a limiting fact for spamming it (Pre-RoI), that no longer is an issue so that one single heal is just ridiculously OP. Crit on CoS twice and you can almost restore your entire morale pool in 20 seconds. I'm saying nerf it significantly (make the CD go from 10s to 15s and cut the heal in half, that would be ~70% reduction in its overall healing per minute) and there would be a noticeable change. Enough of a change? Probably not, but it would be good start.
Turbines bubble nerf =~1000 moral less per minute for a Mini. Just stupid. Not nearly enough. My suggestion equates to, depending on the difficulty of the fight (harder fights get a bigger nerf) to ~4k-5k of morale a minute less.
Its kinda funny Space you complaining about a pretty significant change (removing the WS penalty) and how stupid making it was then you suggest making a huge change to correct it. If you haven't learned yet, huge changes rarely if ever help with class balance.
TL;DR: Huge changes =bad for PvP balance
Last edited by doug01; Mar 09 2012 at 07:36 PM.
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the irony you don't understand is holding "S" doesn't constitute as moving well my whole point in my first post was that someone so unskilled can do exactly what hes doings and beating six wargs while he hardly does a thing. I dont care if you think it was the "right way" to move, what he did takes no skill which is why im pointing it out.
Fair enough.
Realistically though the crux of that working well was that the mini used a brand and none of the wargs used sprint.
"Spiders CC is unbearable... it's just as bad as loremasters" ~ Brodster
You may not believe me when i say this, but not every Minstrel enjoys being so OP. and its unfair to those of us who have played the class since before it got so OP, to be called FoTM rollers etc in the ettens. Minstrel is my main ,and even I think its OP and would like for it to be nerfed.
No class is hurt more by brands than weavers (especially 1v1).
I completely disagree. Improved burrow, full heal while you wait the brand out.
Reavers are much more screwed by brands in 1v1s: they have no in-combat sprint or CC so the only thing that keeps them from being permanently kited by tactical classes are their own slows.
Spiders also rely a lot less on CC/slows in U6. In fact, in my experience I spend more time trying to keep other players from kiting me on BR than trying to kite other players (the only reliable way to remove catch-prey is to get ~25m away from the spider because with audacity almost all cc is too short to actually disable the toggle... also the spiders new melee skills are boss).
"Spiders CC is unbearable... it's just as bad as loremasters" ~ Brodster
Realistically though the crux of that working well was that the mini used a brand and none of the wargs used sprint.
... and though it wouldn't have ultimately helped... some of those wargs need to learn what postional damage is... especially when you pounce from stealth.
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lol, so the kid exagerated a wee bit, regardless, he's probably got a point
It'll be fine, IIRC, wargs and reavers, as well as current defilers, all have a healing debuff, so i'm not really all that worried. There's going to be a billion wargs and weavers out now, i really don't think a mini will live when 5 wargs pounce, tear, silence, and all around ######## it.
Sure they'll be impossible to kill 1v1 if they're traited, and geared....but the moors isn't really a 1v1 zone, and we all know that :P
Yes, its OK to allow these demigod Minis aka "Battle-Mages" to roam Ettenmoors because ,well, with enough Wargs on them anyone is going to die
Excellent use of Logic mate
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... and though it wouldn't have ultimately helped... some of those wargs need to learn what postional damage is... especially when you pounce from stealth.
Yeah, as a Warg I make a habit of pouncing branded targets, I find it does wonders for my ability to get position.
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