Thread: Dummy DPS parses: How much do you do?

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

The parses are dependent on a crit from SS. Don't crit SS as often and the parse numbers come down.

I urge you to watch the video posted by Kalyna, earlier in this thread. If you have already watched it, then watch it again, this time paying attention to the floating numbers of all skills and how they affect the DPS counter. Then you will (hopefully) realize what a redundant comment you have made.

"tl;dr" version if you can't be bothered to watch it: The parses are dependant on crits from every single skill. Not just SS. Don't crit any single skill as often and the parse numbers will come down. However, even considering such a scenario is ridiculous since whole point of a unified critical rating is that it treats all skills equally. Probability and statistics tells that you will be critting as often as you should.

Originally Posted by MoonwalkIntoMordor

Then you will (hopefully) realize what a redundant comment you have made..

Working as intended.

Gotta say.. I'm pretty humbled by what you guys are doing. I thought I was doing pretty well with my rotation. Proof that there's always something to learn

OK, OK..what we've all learned is DPS is easy to push to a max number on a training dummy, so what?
i wanna see screenshots of dps/total damage on ToO bosses, lets see what kind of numbers you can get there
personally i did just over 470k damage to the acid boss (1/3 his health) in a T1 run..granted all those numbers would be with cappy buffs and food, but i wanna see max sustained damage on somthing with a little more mitigation than a dummy.

P.S.
Who says burgs arent a DPS class?

Originally Posted by Mylittlemurder

OK, OK..what we've all learned is DPS is easy to push to a max number on a training dummy, so what?

easy?

i wanna see screenshots of dps/total damage on ToO bosses, lets see what kind of numbers you can get there
personally i did just over 470k damage to the acid boss (1/3 his health) in a T1 run..granted all those numbers would be with cappy buffs and food, but i wanna see max sustained damage on somthing with a little more mitigation than a dummy.

Yes, the training dummy is pretty flawed due to its constant resetting and the significance of the from stealth start. However, any Orthanc numbers you dish out are going to be highly dependent on group makeup (and quality) and strat. Doing almost 1/3rd of the damage to a boss is nice but... what is that saying about the people behind the keyboards of the other dps classes you're playing with?

WTB the bullroarer training dummy (with raid buffs and no resets).

The OP gave a 3+ minute parse request, not the ~1m that most people are posting.

Most decently geared burglars with the self buffs people are using shouldn't have too much trouble parsing these numbers for only 1 minute of combat.

Anyone who posted already want to re-post a few runs of 4 to 5 minutes?

Originally Posted by Jinny

The OP gave a 3+ minute parse request, not the ~1m that most people are posting.

Most decently geared burglars with the self buffs people are using shouldn't have too much trouble parsing these numbers for only 1 minute of combat.

Anyone who posted already want to re-post a few runs of 4 to 5 minutes?

It's just not possible solo. you run out of power after max 1 1/2 minutes. In a fellowship you get a lot of power from captains / lm if nessesary so you can still go full dps.

Originally Posted by sdf-blarelius

It's just not possible solo. you run out of power after max 1 1/2 minutes. In a fellowship you get a lot of power from captains / lm if nessesary so you can still go full dps.

Of course it's possible, you just can't maintain those 1m "dps" burst numbers. This thread had a flood of people posting ~1m duration 1800+ parses....because it's simply not that difficult. OP was asking for "sustained", which is not what people have been offering.

Originally Posted by Jinny

because it's simply not that difficult.

pressing some buttons in a specific order, what COULD be difficult about that? its not rocket science.

the fact of the matter is, there are no cooldowns involved exceeding the 1min mark (except LiE and starting from stealth), so plz tell me why you think the first min is just 'burst' that cant be sustained? there are no strong reasons why you should not be able to just repeat what you did the first minute.

Originally Posted by Kalyna

so plz tell me why you think the first min is just 'burst' that cant be sustained? there are no strong reasons why you should not be able to just repeat what you did the first minute.

People are out of power [or very close] after roughly 1 minute?

From a few of the screencaps:

1m 1.5s : 2006 dps : 587 power left, pot on CD
1m 5.8s : 1979 dps : 467 power left, pot on CD
1m 2.1s : 2077 dps : 591 power left, pot on CD
1m 1.2s : 1803 dps : 753 power left, no pot CD

I think it's safe to assume that the reason these people didn't keep parsing is that they could not continue to hold [sustain] 1800+ for longer than 1 minute.

OP asked about the validity of a burglar that claimed to sustain over 1800 dps on a dummy. A one minute powerburn isn't a fair representation of what my "dps" is. By that logic, the player who parsed 2.7k dps on Acid (or whichever Tower boss) should be telling people their dps in raids is over 2,700?

Does anybody who already posted a 1m parse care to go for 3 or 5 minutes and see how close you can stay to 1800?

Originally Posted by Jinny

Does anybody who already posted a 1m parse care to go for 3 or 5 minutes and see how close you can stay to 1800?

Going for 3-5 minutes isn't realistic. In a raid situation, there will be cappies/lms/cj's providing you power - not to mention fights where you are forced to run around a bit, slowing your power consumption, increasing the significance of icpr, and allowing your pot to come off cd "faster" relative to skill execution. I could give you a 3-5 minute parse, but I would be forced to execute my skills in a manner that I am NEVER forced to do in raids. Given we're fighting a mob that resets every 15s with no raid debuffs, unrealistic raiding builds, no personal raid buffs, no concern for aggro, and no support class assistance its already pretty meaningless. Forcing yourself to come up with a totally new rotation that will never be necessary in any of the currently available content just to sustain power for 3-5 minutes on a training dummy is beyond meaningless.

OP asked about the validity of a burglar that claimed to sustain over 1800 dps on a dummy. A one minute powerburn isn't a fair representation of what my "dps" is. By that logic, the player who parsed 2.7k dps on Acid (or whichever Tower boss) should be telling people their dps in raids is over 2,700?

No player should be telling anyone a magical dps number that they do in raids. Its HIGHLY dependent on group makeup, the quality of the people with you, fight mechanics, single target vs aoe, and aggro situation. Should that player be telling people his dps in acid wing, given a burn down strat, a good tank, and [insert group makeup here] is 2700? Yes.

Originally Posted by harman097

No player should be telling anyone a magical dps number that they do in raids. Its HIGHLY dependent on group makeup, the quality of the people with you, fight mechanics, single target vs aoe, and aggro situation. Should that player be telling people his dps in acid wing, given a burn down strat, a good tank, and [insert group makeup here] is 2700? Yes.

While that's true, it is totally fair to compare your DPS values to those of other people in the raid. Enjoy doing more DPS than hunters, RKs, and champs

/just remember that you get to count 16% of their damage as your own.. otherwise no, you won't top them.

Originally Posted by Jinny

Does anybody who already posted a 1m parse care to go for 3 or 5 minutes and see how close you can stay to 1800?

I posted a screen of shadow t2 cm with ~2,1k without shieldbrother over a bit under 5 mins, dunno if you're familiar with the fight but it involes movement and annoying attackspeed-puddles etc.
Yes we burn our power in 1 1/2 minutes, but in raid we can keep it up. What's the thing about parsing something that is totally different from raidsetting because you're just out of power? If i wanna substain solo for 5 minutes i can go afk after 1 1/2 minutes, come back 2 minutes later and finish the parse, but it's just not a realistic comparison to raidsettings.

i wanted to try out the new moors set and asked a lm friend to assist me:
http://s14.directupload.net/images/120314/ne8uhkgj.jpg

could EASILY be way higher, horrible server lags did make me lose the dev buff two times. didnt want to go through the hassle of making several trys. im sure people will find something to complain about though.



set is great by the way. i will switch back to the dev settings i think

wow, nice... so you can keep your dps, while have a lot of audacity? nice

the new set works pretty well

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5...shot00015m.jpg

Originally Posted by sdf-blarelius

the new set works pretty well

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5...shot00015m.jpg

do you use any scripts?

Like the new rk buffs

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

do you use any scripts?

why should a Burg use Scripts?

The only 2 things I could think of are
a) Riddle with FD-Set
b) Aim with Ortanc

both doesn't really effect dps really much...

Originally Posted by ifreborn1

do you use any scripts?

Like the new rk buffs

nah, i'm not a fan of scripts. i switch a lot (on captain or burg for misheavous glee) but i press all the buttons myself.
there's no need to script anything, with lags and stuff like that it's safer to do it yourself in my opinion.
I don't trust scripts...

http://www.bilder-space.de/show_img....&size=original

tried the new moors set in connection with the new jewelry. (Used a power pot)

The set is really great for bossfights.. Only problem is the huge power wastage =/

Originally Posted by Rishnakh

The set is really great for bossfights.. Only problem is the huge power wastage =/

Ya, I agree. I've been wearing 3 moors/3 orthanc and trying to swap in 2 more moors pieces when I go to hit SS so I can keep the 10% power costs bonus, but I haven't quite gotten used to it yet.

Originally Posted by harman097

Ya, I agree. I've been wearing 3 moors/3 orthanc and trying to swap in 2 more moors pieces when I go to hit SS so I can keep the 10% power costs bonus, but I haven't quite gotten used to it yet.

Perfect thing to use a macro for.

Originally Posted by Kalyna

its easier for me to just show it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52voDIPb86E
http://s14.directupload.net/images/120309/mdaadr6c.jpg
far from perfect and i really fucd up at the end which becomes painfully obvious in slowmotion.

what UI are you using?

and i'm wondering, why do people put cunning attack our of their rotation? and why Feint attack before BA/DES instead of suprise strike?

Originally Posted by bostonredsox

why Feint attack before BA/DES instead of suprise strike?

Feint attack applies a +7.5% dmg buff for 10s until you consume the buff by hitting Surprise, Cunning, Provoke, Trip, or LiE. So, ideally, you want to keep the buff up for as long as possible and hit one of those skills (Surprise, most of the time) right as it's about to expire.

Originally Posted by harman097

Feint attack applies a +7.5% dmg buff for 10s until you consume the buff by hitting Surprise, Cunning, Provoke, Trip, or LiE. So, ideally, you want to keep the buff up for as long as possible and hit one of those skills (Surprise, most of the time) right as it's about to expire.

I don't believe LiE actually consumes it... I'll have to look at little more closely, but logically LiE can be done while in actual stealth and doesn't break stealth, so...

Originally Posted by Reillan

I don't believe LiE actually consumes it... I'll have to look at little more closely, but logically LiE can be done while in actual stealth and doesn't break stealth, so...

LiE doesn't consume the Buff - and isn't consumed from Skills that doesn't consume the FA-Buff...

K thanks, still wondering why people don't have cunning attack in their rotation though

Originally Posted by bostonredsox

K thanks, still wondering why people don't have cunning attack in their rotation though

because the animation + delay takes to long...

Originally Posted by bostonredsox

what UI are you using?

its called 'black vellum' and can be found here: http://www.lotrointerface.com/downlo...ackVellum.html


dummies wipe all debuffs and dots in regular intervals. plus cunning attack consumes the IFA bonus which isnt a good thing in this case. i do use it in other contexts though.

Some of the really abnormally high DPS numbers can be written off to RNG. A nice long string of lucky devs can make a huge difference.

Originally Posted by Moejo

Some of the really abnormally high DPS numbers can be written off to RNG. A nice long string of lucky devs can make a huge difference.

it's not a huge as you thought - a burg hits to often as if this would highly effect his DPS...

Originally Posted by sdf-blarelius

i'll write you a pm tomorrow, 5red/2 yellow, ~29k offence, gotta study for an exam tomorrow.. damn quantum mechanics, way to complicated for lazy people like me

@ melma, nah, thats an older one, parsed 3 times today, didn't want to post one with ready and able used, although it was only used to vanish out of the fight and not for damage, i used exactly the same things, but in the new one you can't discuss if i used to many cds or whatever since you see all cds :P

Well he does have a first ager which is half the battle in my opinion

I downloaded combatanalysis plugin the other day to see how I'd compare to all of these high numbers, and the answer was: disappointingly low!

That said, just wanted to say a quick thanks for putting in numbers to aspire to. Having taken some tips from the thread, I've managed to move up my dps from ~1K to 1.1 up to 1.4 ish. Obviously got a long way to go, but now I've got a target and a way to measure what I'm up to!

Thanks also to Evendale for creating combat analysis in the first place. Nice work...

Originally Posted by Moejo

Some of the really abnormally high DPS numbers can be written off to RNG. A nice long string of lucky devs can make a huge difference.

I love all the sour grapes in this thread. If someone is doing good dps on a burg, apparently they are lying, hacking, scripting, or just getting lucky.

Originally Posted by maedhros_sindar

I love all the sour grapes in this thread. If someone is doing good dps on a burg, apparently they are lying, hacking, scripting, or just getting lucky.

I know, if you are a burg and you cant put out these numbers you should play another class.

The bar has been set high if you cant jump it on a burg play a hunter/champ/rk a gear depenent DPS class.

I Decided to jump on the bandwagon, here's my Training Dummy DPS parse recording.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRXntJy0KR0

A few mistakes made but generally a good parse.

Parse results:

60.1s - 2,204.8 DPS

Originally Posted by Evendale

Perfect thing to use a macro for.

I was always under the impression that you could only macro chat commands/pets.

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

I was always under the impression that you could only macro chat commands/pets.

Put the Set on a Skillbar, configure the Skillbar as something you wouldn't press (something like Strg+Alt+8(Numpad)) and let the macro switch Sets over your Skillbar...

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

Put the Set on a Skillbar, configure the Skillbar as something you wouldn't press (something like Strg+Alt+8(Numpad)) and let the macro switch Sets over your Skillbar...

I tried to make sense of this post but I failed.

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

I tried to make sense of this post but I failed.

sorry my english is very bad...

bin the slots on your last skillbar to combinations wou wouldn't press in normal gameplay...

The Macro will click these buttos for you - you could put your set in the skillbar...

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

I tried to make sense of this post but I failed.

Let me try.

Say you have two LIs, one for regular use and another that has the MG healing legacies. What you typically do is put both LIs on your quickslot bar, then click on the healing LI, then click on MG, then click back to your regular LI.

With a macro, you can automate all of this to one keystroke. So you first assign a keybinding to each quickslot. Say that your regular LI is assigned the key of P, your MG LI is assigned J, and your MG skill is assigned M. You can create a macro that quickly uses the J, M, and P keybindings . That macro activates when you hit the Alt+F1. You can use that to chain a lot of skills and items. For example, some wardens macro their gambits.

As far as I know, LOTRO only lets you create aliases that basically save you some typing in the chat window. These aliases don't let you do more complex actions like swap items, however. To create use the macro I described above, you need some additional software (e.g. autohotkey) or hardware (e.g. a gaming mouse). See here for additional discussion.