Thread: Have I missed something? why are (hobbit) burgs being completely nerfed in moors?

Originally Posted by Graycient

For MAN BURGLAR >> If a BA tracks you before you're able to sneak anywhere near it, you're almost always toast. Once he slows you, there's no chance of you getting close as he has a stance that lets him fire arrows while on the move. You'll remain slowed and kited til you die.

- Brand (immunity to slow effects for 1 mn)
- Dust in the Eye (BA is slowed 25% and will have a hard time keeping you at range *and* firing
- Coffee (+10% in combat speed, along with Dust in the Eye, BA will not be able to shoot you and remain at range)
- Riddle (BA is mezzed giving you time to close in)
- HiPS (sets your speed to 100%)
- Touch & Go gives you a fairly high chance to evade the BA slow
- If tracked over 40m range, unstealth - run - stealth again, you have a minute before he can track again. Or mount up and wave goodbye to the BA.
- If tracked at close range, close in before the BA can react.
- Once in melee, stun, CJs, mezzes from provoke will keep a BA from gaining range and will give you positional damage while he's locked down (or should he try to gain range).

And of course, trackers are not free, have a cooldown, don't work in combat, the more likely situation is that a BA doesn't track you first. If he knows you're there, you've screwed up already, don't be predictable and camp the same spot over and over again.

I'm sorry but burgs may have lost god mode over the years, they still have it pretty easy.

Edit: for the record, I believe wargs should never have gained the ability to track while in stealth (or at all really, would have been much better to give it to another class).

By the way Jardas, you'll likely want to go 3-3 in Gambler/Mischief for the armour. The 3set Mischief makes you essentially unbeatable against reavers/wargs. I was pounced multiple times by panzen and potzen recently, press KO and they always ended up getting owned and double hipsing away. The other issues you mentioned are still true but if we play a bit safer when we know they're warg packing it we can still manage quite nicely.

Originally Posted by Armitas

I'm for not perma breaking a critical class mechanic whether it's wargs or burgs hobbit or man. Wargs complain with much sympathy over being spam tracked and I don't blame them. I have the same sympathy when a burg finds his major class mechanic compromised in the same way.

Spam tracking is a problem. Let burgs/wargs check/balance each other, remove the spam tracking.

Let me reiterate this point one more time (even though it's been stated an incalculable number of times...)

Ready?

WARGS ARE NOT BURGS! BURGS ARE NOT WARGS! We are similar, but overall, we are different than each other in many ways. Wargs should not be more like burgs and burgs should not be more like wargs. In fact, there should be more differences, not less. I'm sorry, but at this point, I have to say this... If you want to track, roll a hunter or p2w (questionable since many store noobs die horribly and repeatedly...) to get some store trackers. Or maybe just don't run as a stealth burg.. Or maybe you should learn that you can break a track by unstealthing and restealthing.... Kind of like wargs have had to do since the beginning of LOTRO...

You can tell he figured out how bad he is by the fact he isn't responding.....

This thread can be summed up in one gif

" A BURG DIED IN PVP"

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

Let me reiterate this point one more time (even though it's been stated an incalculable number of times...)

Ready?

WARGS ARE NOT BURGS! BURGS ARE NOT WARGS!

I'll respond to you in the same language you chose to use.

Ready?

NEVER SAID THEY WERE!

Take posts at their face value, if you start reading into things you will be "reiterating" yourself forever.

Armitas, who reads things anymore? <-----Lugezer

Originally Posted by lucky100x

Armitas, who reads things anymore? <-----Lugezer

Hey man good to see you. how you like my shiny new green?

Okay, but i wish you would stop hitting me with that stick, im getting a bit bruised

I read the OP's post and the first thing that came to mind is he/she is an inexperienced PvP'r. Obviously, they have no clue you should not linger in the same spot you're being spam tracked in. These are danger zones and should be treated as such unless, of course, you don't mind dying.

MOVE COMPLETELY AWAY FROM THE AREA and/or MAP OUT and come back to the Moors being sure to stay away from the track zone (EC in your example).


Furthermore, after my first realization, I laughed aloud. For honestly, the only people that should be complaining about being "spam tracked" are Creeps. Hunters my Dear Watson. Hunters. Hunters and their now spammable tracks (one track on 30 second cooldown coupled with store bought trackers). A Creep, even a Warg for that matter, cannot escape a knowledgeable Hunter unless the Warg burns Sprint and/or the Creeps are somehow able to map out (<--- very rarely happens considering the tracking Hunter can engage them from 40m's out).

As a fluffy warg, i use Oxy-clean track remover to get the toughest tracks out!

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

By the way Jardas, you'll likely want to go 3-3 in Gambler/Mischief for the armour. The 3set Mischief makes you essentially unbeatable against reavers/wargs. I was pounced multiple times by panzen and potzen recently, press KO and they always ended up getting owned and double hipsing away. The other issues you mentioned are still true but if we play a bit safer when we know they're warg packing it we can still manage quite nicely.

mischief set has been nerfed

Originally Posted by Equendil

- Brand (immunity to slow effects for 1 mn)
- Dust in the Eye (BA is slowed 25% and will have a hard time keeping you at range *and* firing
- Coffee (+10% in combat speed, along with Dust in the Eye, BA will not be able to shoot you and remain at range)
- Riddle (BA is mezzed giving you time to close in)
- HiPS (sets your speed to 100%)
- Touch & Go gives you a fairly high chance to evade the BA slow
- If tracked over 40m range, unstealth - run - stealth again, you have a minute before he can track again. Or mount up and wave goodbye to the BA.
- If tracked at close range, close in before the BA can react.
- Once in melee, stun, CJs, mezzes from provoke will keep a BA from gaining range and will give you positional damage while he's locked down (or should he try to gain range).

Have nothing else to add. well said +1

Originally Posted by Equendil

Edit: for the record, I believe wargs should never have gained the ability to track while in stealth (or at all really, would have been much better to give it to another class).

Because, you know, we didn't need to wait until rank 9 (pre store) to track anything, and rank 10 to track stealthed targets - with shorter range than hunters have and twice the cooldowns. After all wolves really have no natural ability to track their prey.

Sorry. This is one we should have out of the gate with the same capability Hunters have who can also, you seem to forget, track from stealth.

Most dominantly since roi, I noticed that as a burg I can't just walk out and first time facestomp things.

I would actually need to be decently geared and learn my class.

Recent changes have just made it less easier for people who don't know the class to faceroll. Burgs are in a fine position atm and other classes need buffs alot more. Be decently geared and practice and you'll do fine.