Thread: PremiumWallet - Barter items in wallet, finally!

Originally Posted by Treize6

It would be fine if after the update the new wallet holds all currency, nothing is shared and you can pay 1000 TP to share it between characters.

That's a basic functionality fix for free AND a worthwhile premium addition that I would happily pay for and maintain my VIP account.

Very good point, thank you.

Congtratulations Warner Brothers.

You have just convinced a lifetime account, who pays cash money to pre-order expansions, to cease freeloading and uninstall the game.

Charging TP to finish implementing incomplete functionality to the game is a travesty and yet totally in line with my expectations of where the game was going when F2P was announced.

It's a bug fix. A long announced and awaited bug fix.

Cheap. Cheap and low.

Originally Posted by Treize6

It would be fine if after the update the new wallet holds all currency, nothing is shared and you can pay 1000 TP to share it between characters.

This wallet will not allow you to share anything between characters that cannot already (after U6) be shared without paying for the new wallet. Shared items appear in green, non-shared items in white. Every character will have different wallet contents, whether you buy the premium wallet or not; it's not a "global, account-wide wallet". Only the green/bound-to-account items will be in every single character's wallet. The other items will be different depending on what barter items that character has. The skirmish currency change to being shared will occur whether you get that new wallet or not. The difference is that other barter items, which currently cannot go into the wallet, will be able to go in it, saving some slots of storage. But it will not make those "other" barter items bound to account and shareable between your alts.

At least that is my understanding of it.

As it stands, it won't really save me that many slots, considering I've already consolidated all my bound-to-account items into one vault (barter medallions of Moria, Dol Guldur, Lothlorien, etc...). It would have saved me a lot more slots if the IXP "Hertiage" Runes, which will now also be shareable/bound-to-account, would have gone into the wallet too.

Way too expensive. It should be free to VIPs at least, though I don't see why it shouldn't be free to everyone - it's just part of the basic functionality of the game. They've already said in U6 that meds/marks/seals will be account wide, but is this only if you buy this wallet?

Originally Posted by Nostro44

Way too expensive. It should be free to VIPs at least, though I don't see why it shouldn't be free to everyone - it's just part of the basic functionality of the game. They've already said in U6 that meds/marks/seals will be account wide, but is this only if you buy this wallet?

No. That part is included whether or not you buy the Premium Wallet.

Premium is just to add additional barter items, most of which are bound to character, so they would only be seen in the wallet by the character who owns them.

Originally Posted by Thornglen

No. That part is included whether or not you buy the Premium Wallet.

Premium is just to add additional barter items, most of which are bound to character, so they would only be seen in the wallet by the character who owns them.

They call it "Premium-Wallet" but it is only a bugfix. They called this thing "Wallet" in 2010, they didn't call it "Skirmish-Wallet" in 2010.

Originally Posted by Agra_EU

They call it "Premium-Wallet" but it is only a bugfix. They called this thing "Wallet" in 2010, they didn't call it "Skirmish-Wallet" in 2010.

True, but I think this is more another example of Turbine just not communicating intentions very well along the way. It may have been the case that they wanted all barter items to be in the Wallet back in 2010. They did say they intended to add more items to it over time, but did not say how or when. (It was even speculated at the time, though it may have been in jest, that there would be no change until they found a way to charge for adding more items.)

This was already after the start of the new model, so we had already seen things like expanded bank functions showing up with a TP cost. The issue here is that, as many people have noted, we have been asking for the "completion" of the barter wallet for over a year now and eventually we got to thinking of the current wallet as broken when no progress was made.

Had the whole kit-n-caboodle been introduced for the first time now, I think there would be less controversy. The "basic" wallet for account bound currency offered for free, and the "premium" wallet for additional character-bound items.

The way it was done grated on me, too, at first. And I still wish the communication from Turbine would step up a few notches. I do see what they are going for here, though, and I don't have as much of a problem with this as I do things like the relic removal scroll or even the fact that I can only expand my individual character's bank through the Store (account-wide, I don't mind).

I'll wait for the sale.... 20% off 1 or 2 months after the update.

I'm happy to pay for enhancements like this. It will save me a heap of time. I'd certainly rather pay than not have it at all!

Is there a post someone has written up that describes the detailed functionality of how the wallet works? I don't have a bullroarer client so can't readily log in and check.

When releasing functionality like this they essentially have two choices:
(1) Make it free for everyone
(2) Make it so everyone has to pay for it.

Remember that every time they make an item free for VIPs but Preimium or free players have to pay for it, they have to work out what will happen when the player reverts from VIP to premium. In this instance they can't very well send out the barter items back to all the characters (i.e. disable the premium side of the wallet).

The only real discussion should be about whether its free for all or pay for all.

As I posted at the top, I'd rather pay than not have the functionality.

Originally Posted by Kamindra

Is there a post someone has written up that describes the detailed functionality of how the wallet works? I don't have a bullroarer client so can't readily log in and check.

Here you go, just read the first paragraph:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...56#post6019656

So when this thing launches Monday, will it actually hold all that rep garbage or do I pay for the unfinished one?

Originally Posted by ChromiteSwiftpaw

Here you go, just read the first paragraph:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?447591-PremiumWallet-Barter-items-in-wallet-finally!&p=6019656#post6019656

Thanks. I could have sworn those images weren't there when I looked originally! I expect they were probably just hidden by our work firewall or added later.

Cheers.

Kam

I'm sorry if this has been posted before but my eye's glazed over after about 8 pages...

A lot of posts say this should be free to VIPs but I didn't see anyone point out that VIPs get 500 turbine points per month (for free) so this is free to VIPs if they choose to spend their allowance this way.

Regards,

Brad

Originally Posted by Kamindra

[...] I'd rather pay than not have the functionality.

While I'm firmly in the "I think it should have been free" camp, I couldn't agree with this more. Even if I don't buy the "enhanced" barter wallet, I still know it will be there [finished] and available.

What does the "Enhance Currency" button allow you to buy?

VIPs get tp every month at no extra cost for stuff like this.

Originally Posted by D3-Rook

What does the "Enhance Currency" button allow you to buy?

It opens up another window where you can select to buy revive tomes, and that's it. There was another thing that you could select in addition to that revive tomes, when I first bought that wallet but after I used it, it disappeared and I cannot remember what it was...

Originally Posted by Gilean-EU

It opens up another window where you can select to buy revive tomes, and that's it. There was another thing that you could select in addition to that revive tomes, when I first bought that wallet but after I used it, it disappeared and I cannot remember what it was...

The additional thing may have been the Premium Wallet itself. Did you see it only before you bought the upgrade?

Are seals, medallions etc still account shared if you do not buy the premium wallet?

Originally Posted by b-morgan

I'm sorry if this has been posted before but my eye's glazed over after about 8 pages...

A lot of posts say this should be free to VIPs but I didn't see anyone point out that VIPs get 500 turbine points per month (for free) so this is free to VIPs if they choose to spend their allowance this way.

Regards,

Brad

No one in this game gets 500 FREE points per month. Every single player that gets a stipend of points from Turbine PAID for those points.

Having said that, the Barter Wallet is clearly not free for VIPs or Lifetime members.

Originally Posted by D3-Rook

VIPs get tp every month at no extra cost for stuff like this.

VIPs pay cash every month for those TPs. They are not free. This feature is exactly the type of thing that people paying a sub (or Lifers) should NEVER have to spend TP or cash on.

Originally Posted by D3-Rook

Are seals, medallions etc still account shared if you do not buy the premium wallet?

Yes, I believe they are still shared.

Originally Posted by revoked

Originally Posted by D3-Rook

Are seals, medallions etc still account shared if you do not buy the premium wallet?

Yes, I believe they are still shared.

I can confirm they are. Went into BR tonight and created a new character. Took them to the E&G to get the free Marks. Created another character and the Marks were in their wallet (standard - did not get the premium). So yes, it looks like they will be shared when this goes live. While I understand many will like this, there will be those like myself that will not. I want to keep my characters things separate from each other. There should be an option to show them as combined or separate, as each player prefers to play.

In addition to seals/marks/medallions, the basic wallet will share all relic shards of all toons on a server. Item XP pills will be bound to account and so you can transfer them between toons (still needs shared storage for that). This is a pretty significant "quality-of-life" upgrade because it reduces/eliminates much of the early LI and skirmish soldier grind for secondary characters. Even moreso since legendary items of lvl66+ now drop considerably more relics(=shards) on deconstruction.

PvMP commendations are shared as well, which is also quite the boon as you´re not restricted to grind each toon separately to advance at least part of the progress.

Just a question ... are the account bound items really account bound or account+server bound?

If they are account+server bound, I wonder how they solve server transfers.
Now that the account boung items are not in the inventory anymore, one can't bring them to other servers, can he?

If they are account bound the shared monay and the shared marks could really bring some imbalance to certain servers.

Here´s your answer:

Originally Posted by jwbarry

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If you transfer servers any account bound currency will not transfer with you.

In the future we may look into extending the character transfer tech to allow for such a thing, but that's not planned at this point.

Anything that says "bound to account" ingame is something different than "Account-wide".

Originally Posted by b-morgan

I'm sorry if this has been posted before but my eye's glazed over after about 8 pages...

A lot of posts say this should be free to VIPs but I didn't see anyone point out that VIPs get 500 turbine points per month (for free) so this is free to VIPs if they choose to spend their allowance this way.

Regards,

Brad

I really hate this kind of misconception. The 500 TP that VIPs receive is PAID for by part of their subscription, it is NOT free.

Originally Posted by Thornglen

If you don't want to subscribe and you don't want to purchase any TP, how does that work as a business model for Turbine if they don't then charge for other features you would want? Since you are Premium, you have spent some money in the past, which is great, and you don't seem to be a stranger to grinding deeds for points, which is perfectly permitted under the LOTRO model. I applaud the effort. I certainly would not be able to do it. If everyone did that long-term, though, there would soon enough be no game for us to play.

I guess I didn't post the full picture.

In fact I don't intent on buying any MORE points anytime soon because I already bought lots of them.
Besides, I always pre-order expansions exactly because I believe they SHOULD get revenue for their (mostly) excelent work.

I have "all" the game unlocked (quest packs/expantions/skirmishes/intances/8 character slots total) so I did invested money into the game and plan on doing it again further along the path (getting all those TPs through grinding would just be crazy). I'm just not expecting to do it before the next expansion.

If every update "forces" players to spend around 1,500 TPs, it's only natural that people get "upset" specially when we are talking about features such as this one. A new QP and some other cheaper or "non-important" TP "sinks" I'm fine with, but a new QP and a must-have feature that costs MORE than the QP it's kind of harsh...

Originally Posted by Neumi

Just a question ... are the account bound items really account bound or account+server bound?

If they are account+server bound, I wonder how they solve server transfers.
Now that the account boung items are not in the inventory anymore, one can't bring them to other servers, can he?

If they are account bound the shared monay and the shared marks could really bring some imbalance to certain servers.

There is absolutely no interaction between servers. Nothing crosses between them. Your turbine points actually get credited to a separate account that is out of the game and works as a completely separate system. Otherwise nothing- marks, items, rewards, characters, etc can interact between servers. So everything is bound to the server it's earned on.

One of the devs commented that because of that, at this point if you transfer a character from one server to another then after the update goes live their marks, medallions, seals and things like that will not go with them. I believe that items like the ixp runes can go with them, but only if htey are in their bags and maybe in their personal vault. Nothing in the shared vault will get moved with them.

Originally Posted by Lucanthanas

I guess I didn't post the full picture.

In fact I don't intent on buying any MORE points anytime soon because I already bought lots of them.
Besides, I always pre-order expansions exactly because I believe they SHOULD get revenue for their (mostly) excelent work.

I have "all" the game unlocked (quest packs/expantions/skirmishes/intances/8 character slots total) so I did invested money into the game and plan on doing it again further along the path (getting all those TPs through grinding would just be crazy). I'm just not expecting to do it before the next expansion.

If every update "forces" players to spend around 1,500 TPs, it's only natural that people get "upset" specially when we are talking about features such as this one. A new QP and some other cheaper or "non-important" TP "sinks" I'm fine with, but a new QP and a must-have feature that costs MORE than the QP it's kind of harsh...

Ah, ok. That makes more sense when it comes to buying Turbine Points.

I'm not sure what a non-important TP sink would be in this case, though. I do see the Premium Wallet as a "must-have" for a packrat like me, but it is pretty much just like buying Storage or Wardrobe space, so I don't know that it is an actual must-have in order to play the game. Especially not right away.

Of course, I am looking at this from the perspective of a VIP. I know others have said they think the Premium Wallet should be free to VIP accounts, but again, I don't see a good reason for that other than the fact we've been waiting over a year for this feature to be added. Even when Shared Storage was first introduced with Mirkwood (about a year before f2p was implemented), there was a cost to it. There were pre-launch deals that allowed you to get the Mirkwood expansion for "free", but they all required something. Either purchase of the $20 Adventurer's Pack that had the Storage included, or subscription to a multi-month plan.

In the case of The Great River and the Premium Wallet, it is not all that different. If you are a VIP, you'll have the zone unlocked, and if you subscribe for any multi-month length of time, your monthly TP will pay for the Wallet upgrade.

Is it ideal? maybe not. Mostly because Turbine still has issues with communicating with the players. I mean, we don't need to be in their company meetings or anything, but it would be nice if they did not let speculation about features reach a point where people come to expect things that just are not reality. Look at what happened with expectation vs. reality on the Landscape Skirmish soldier. I don't think what they have done is a bad thing (other than maybe the in-game cost of the token being quite high), but it is not what people expected, so they were upset. With the Wallet, it was the expectation we've built up since 2010 that the expansion to other barter items would be a fix rather than an upgrade.

We have a long way to go before we can fully trust Turbine's communication skill. I believe they are working on making things better, though, and hope to see some results of that before Rohan launches with expectation issues like we see now.

Originally Posted by Nostro44

I really hate this kind of misconception. The 500 TP that VIPs receive is PAID for by part of their subscription, it is NOT free.

Before F2P I paid 15 bucks a month to play. After F2P I still pay 15 bucks AND get 500 TP. As a VIP I have lost access to nothing since F2P launched, but gain 500 TP a month. I know it's all about perception but come ahn.

Originally Posted by Pellwen

Before F2P I paid 15 bucks a month to play. After F2P I still pay 15 bucks AND get 500 TP. As a VIP I have lost access to nothing since F2P launched, but gain 500 TP a month. I know it's all about perception but come ahn.

Actually if you paid your $15 per month sub and were up-to-date on all the expansions, not counting any pre-order bonus items, you had access to everything in the name without having to maybe purchase points if you went over your 500TP per month. So now you pay your sub and may have the possibilty to pay extra for items using points if you go through the 500TP or wait until your next grant of points shows up which used to be "included" in the price of your monthly sub. Basically you lost nothing and you gained nothing as long as you don't need to purchase extra points.