OP freeps vs. creeps at grams as well as weak troll, the only thing they had was numbers. Better let the Protoss know, the Zerg just hammered the Terran outpost.
The freep raid did noticeably better than the creep raid. For that, they deserved recognition. And for that, it was given.
So they deserve praise when they finaly put up the one good fight for the month? Sorry, but I wont cheer for those guys who had to zerg me over and over.
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So they deserve praise when they finaly put up the one good fight for the month? Sorry, but I wont cheer for those guy who had to zerg me over and over.
They deserve praise because, for once, they out played us. They had us outnumbered 3:2, but nonetheless, they outplayed us, and for that I am giving them recognition. The organization of their raid surpassed that of ours, during the Grams camp tonight. I thought it worthy of recognition, and thus, I'm giving it. Next time, you freeps stick around a little bit longer. Not to take away from Clock, whom was out all night long, long after the remainder of his peeps logged.
Well Tingur, if you weren't running to the one shotters we wouldn't have to zerg you, one of us could have just sat there and killed you taking our time.
Also it's funny for you to say this, since I have watched you in the afternoon, when few freeps are on, zerg ec with 14 creeps for 1 freep.
But keep corpse jumping and failing, at least you bought a nice new dress to look good doing it
Well Tingur, if you weren't running to the one shotters we wouldn't have to zerg you, one of us could have just sat there and killed you taking our time.
Also it's funny for you to say this, since I have watched you in the afternoon, when few freeps are on, zerg ec with 14 creeps for 1 freep.
But keep corpse jumping and failing, at least you bought a nice new dress to look good doing it
Have no clue who you are nor do I care: either you're Danieltosh or Debuff
Zerging EC is a must as noobs like you wont stop NPC hugging
Ok, you're Danieltosh which explains your false claims.
I dont zerg EC..on purpose.. I run inside with MT, others follow. Its too bad when BAs have to charge infront of reavers, but what would you know who save your sprint for running away.
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I merely said you needed to be zerged to be killed before retreating to one shotters, FACT.
I just find it amusing that if we push you to grams and camp, we're nubs. If the maps red and we go to NPCs in ec because it's 15 on 2, we're nubs.
Maybe, just maybe, people like to live and have a chance.
Or you're a delusional 11 year old who believes everything the freeps do is lame, while you are the master of all leetness, or whatever little kids call it.
At any rate, I hope you've been enjoying when I sprint into raids to stun and kill you, a new strategy (for me) that a champ much better than I gave me
Maybe, just maybe, people like to live and have a chance.
Or you're a delusional 11 year old who believes everything the freeps do is lame, while you are the master of all leetness, or whatever little kids call it.
At any rate, I hope you've been enjoying when I sprint into raids to stun and kill you, a new strategy (for me) that a champ much better than I gave me
You must be the dumbest person Ive ever met. This is a game, you say "dont wanna die" it means you're a pathetic star hugger and you've allready proven that you're an npc hugger.
The second: You make it sound like you sprint in a raid and kill me bravely which is FALSE, you dont even deal damage. Perhaps you didnt bother to look at those eight people behind you.
Pff, even a lvl 10champ who doesnt find his way out of the prancing pony is better than you.
You fear keeps? hah, you're even worse than the burgs. So what you're saying is that if you had the keeps you'd been hugging them instead. pff, you're out of your league, get lost and leave PvMP to those who dare PvMP
Btw, I remember there was an PvMP discussion in glff where you stated that creeps was OP, but infact it was just you being terribad.
Try not to bother me again with your ridiculous posts.
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I might have to stop whining about freeps not grouping. I'd rather give a man a fish than teach them to fish. They might realize just how op they can be if they treated the moors like another 12 man raid. :/
I wouldn't be too hard on the creeps Vic. We get so many archet types, not knowing how to raid is really half the battle. We simply need more exp players.
At least some are starting to learn. I just hope they stick around.
Looks like I struck a nerve, delusional 11 year old it is. :-)
And while I will happily admit I'm not as good as Kongo or Fenore, I'm not as bad as Dumeingrant or Ironbeak I saw out the other day. A 75 champ with 6,700 morale is just pathetic.
At the end of the day, you're just another Tardvin, but at least he's talented.
Looks like I struck a nerve, delusional 11 year old it is. :-)
And while I will happily admit I'm not as good as Kongo or Fenore, I'm not as bad as Dumeingrant or Ironbeak I saw out the other day. A 75 champ with 6,700 morale is just pathetic.
At the end of the day, you're just another Tardvin, but at least he's talented.
For the first of all, stop acting like you're an old mature dude as you're not even 16 years old.. act your age.
For the second, I dont raid, grind or anything on Ironbeak. And I can easily push my morale to 10k If I were a Glory Tard like any of the other champs.
For the third: Im pretty sure that the way you got your gear was by Kin-hugging which I dont.
For the forth: Tarvin is NOT A TARD. Screw you and all the others for hating, Its like hating JB, you do it cause everyone else do it. Stop hating just because others do it. It is pathetic and an insult as DoG is so much more experienced and worthy than you.
For the fifth: If you don't stop making these posts and waste my time, I'll report you for harrasment.
If a real Veteran like Vinner, Vic & Fendron is yelling at me it is fine, but I wont take this from someone who started at the same time I did, get lost!
Report me for wasting your time? Last I checked you didn't have to read what I say; Or type your long, overly dramatic, whining responses.
I know I'm not the best, or a veteran, but every time you try to say all freeps do is this, when you use THE SAME STRATEGIES, I will call you, or anyone else out.
I will do whatever I can to win, and I'm pretty sure everyone else in the moors (except nubbers) has about the same mentality.
I'm not sure what kin-hugging is, but we are pretty friendly in DoTH. Based on how angry you seem to be about a videogame, perhaps you should look into getting some hugs.
Report me for wasting your time? Last I checked you didn't have to read what I say; Or type your long, overly dramatic, whining responses.
I know I'm not the best, or a veteran, but every time you try to say all freeps do is this, when you use THE SAME STRATEGIES, I will call you, or anyone else out.
I will do whatever I can to win, and I'm pretty sure everyone else in the moors (except nubbers) has about the same mentality.
I'm not sure what kin-hugging is, but we are pretty friendly in DoTH. Based on how angry you seem to be about a videogame, perhaps you should look into getting some hugs.
hah, knew you had to be an DoTH. Now do everyone a favour and shut up, not everyone is interested in your QQing
Just because you just recently discovered what the forums are gives you no reason to QQ on everyone you dont like.
oh btw: you call me angry after you came and insulted me? Perhaps, Im only angry towards people I dont like and its funny to read how clueless you are.
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Screw you and all the others for hating, Its like hating JB, you do it cause everyone else do it. Stop hating just because others do it. It is pathetic and an insult
If a real Veteran like Vinner, Vic & Fendron is yelling at me it is fine, but I wont take this from someone who started at the same time I did, get lost!
Sweet! Permission to bash!
General advice to every freep and creep: both sides pull the same stunts, and whine about the same things. One thing I've learned through my experience is that fighting on the forums makes everyone involved look like an 11 year old whiner. The sooner people can understand this then the sooner people will stop whining about everything.
Yes I don't like it either when something happens to me but I know I must annoying tons of people with the way I play so I usually stay quiet because I'm just as much at fault as the next guy.
And yes, in general freeps do lots of damage and I'm guilty of this but all the heavy damage dealers can be killed fairly quickly if taken down first. PvMP in this game was designed for RvR, NOT 1v1 and even now RvR with no npcs is even.
Audacity will make RvR even more epic with them laster much longer I'm sure.
Now everyone chill out, get an ice cream, and kick some creep bu-- woops, hehe, I mean... go for a walk!
PvMP in this game was designed for RvR, NOT 1v1 and even now RvR with no npcs is even.
^this
By even, are you meaning balanced? Because if so, it most certainly isn't, by a long shot. If I had 12 handpicked people that I normally play with in a freep raid, I could easily mop the floor with a full raid of creeps, maybe a raid and a half if many of them are new to the game. That's why I don't even play freep side any more.
General advice to every freep and creep: both sides pull the same stunts, and whine about the same things. One thing I've learned through my experience is that fighting on the forums makes everyone involved look like an 11 year old whiner. The sooner people can understand this then the sooner people will stop whining about everything.
Yes I don't like it either when something happens to me but I know I must annoying tons of people with the way I play so I usually stay quiet because I'm just as much at fault as the next guy.
And yes, in general freeps do lots of damage and I'm guilty of this but all the heavy damage dealers can be killed fairly quickly if taken down first. PvMP in this game was designed for RvR, NOT 1v1 and even now RvR with no npcs is even.
Audacity will make RvR even more epic with them laster much longer I'm sure.
Now everyone chill out, get an ice cream, and kick some creep bu-- woops, hehe, I mean... go for a walk!
^ Wise words. We all know that there will be zerging on both sides even if we like it or not.
*In ideal situations with equally ranked and skilled freeps/creeps.
Gonna have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on that. Freeps have had the advantage across the board with the exception of morale for quite a while now. With update 5, the gap grew bigger, and with RoI and removal of stat cap, the gap between the two is rather tremendous. You can't even compare the classes any more. The dps right now is absolutely disgusting. How can you even think its balanced on a hunter, knowing you can often blow up a creep in less than 10 seconds.
Gonna have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on that. Freeps have had the advantage across the board with the exception of morale for quite a while now. With update 5, the gap grew bigger, and with RoI and removal of stat cap, the gap between the two is rather tremendous. You can't even compare the classes any more. The dps right now is absolutely disgusting. How can you even think its balanced on a hunter, knowing you can often blow up a creep in less than 10 seconds.
I don't have any way to prove my side really. I can only speculate that if a tribe such as SotWH still existed and could organize like they used to then they would give any freep raid a run for their money. However, my "ideal situation" hasn't happened since Moria. I can imagine a well organized raid would immediately bubble the hunters' first target then procede to focus fire on each hunter. In every raid I've been in since RoI none are as organized as they used to be.
You win here. Perhaps I win if my hypothetical scenario ever plays out but I doubt it will. There are still good leaders now but creativity has run dry on Gladden.
Also, I know hunter dps is outrageous but I tried out an even stronger build on BR and even with a first age, and fully geared toon my attacks were half what they are now with audacity (and of course fully specced creeps).
You should rename it Dothz = Disciples of the Holy Zerg.
Or DoTZ.
DoTZ(Disciples of the Zerg) is a friendly based kin of older players who are looking to recruit new zerglings to pass on their teachings, since outnumbering creeps 2 to 1 isn't enough. All levels accepted, we can never have enough bait! We can teach you how to: zerg creep keeps, camp at the slug pits with a few fellow freeps to take out one creep, QQ and log after one wipe, how to hug npcs, and most importantly how to be a star hugger. Please submit your application to Davil or one of his lackies.
Or DoTZ.
DoTZ(Disciples of the Zerg) is a friendly based kin of older players who are looking to recruit new zerglings to pass on their teachings, since outnumbering creeps 2 to 1 isn't enough. All levels accepted, we can never have enough bait! We can teach you how to: zerg creep keeps, camp at the slug pits with a few fellow freeps to take out one creep, QQ and log after one wipe, how to hug npcs, and most importantly how to be a star hugger. Please submit your application to Davil or one of his lackies.
That's exactly the kind of kin I've been looking for? Where do I sign up??
This thread was made to say a job well done for a job well done. If you guys feel the need to bash people, find another thread to do it in. The hypocrisy of some of you guys is quite laughable. Some of you in this thread that are bashing freeps for zerging, happily camped Lug rez for a few hours tonight, doing the very same thing the freeps did at Grams. Except there was no freep raid to challenge the rez campers, while there was a creep raid at Grams to offer a challenge.
Rez camping makes for boring pvp, so I logged off for about 90 minutes. When I got back on almost two hours later, it was still going on. I welcome anyone who practices what they preach to post their commentary in this thread, but those of you that often do precisely the same things you complain about and bash freeps for, please just take your hypocrisy and negativity to another thread.
Both sides are guilty of doing lame things at times in the Moors. There's really no point in complaining about it. While I don't necessarily agree with some of the freeps who make raids durring offpeak hours, I'm glad they're out there to give us a fight, whether I approve of their tactics or not. Can't really bash them for it because I do it sometimes too, be it to run off freeps who've been farming the greenies or to flip a keep because I want to knock out some map quests on an alt.
all i really have to say, is that pretty much whatever Vic says on these forums and completely accurate AND unbiased. It might do people some good to actually listen to him, maybe gladden pvp would pick up a bit.
I agree with Vic on both sides being guilty, which was really the point I was trying to make, albeit in a mean fashion.
Last night I was leading the group that went to gram's around 6EST and after 15 minutes I continuously tried to get people to pull back to lugz to let creeps organize. It's just better for both sides to be able to meet open field and whoever wins will get more reknown than just picking off someone over extended every 3 minutes. However, trying to get 20+ kin members to listen would be hard enough, let alone the 20+ mostly random freeps I was grouped with.
You win here. Perhaps I win if my hypothetical scenario ever plays out but I doubt it will. There are still good leaders now but creativity has run dry on Gladden.
Usually when I lead raids (or make suggestions in spiderbyte's raids) it's all based on predictability. Knowing freep/creep predictable patterns (or non creativity) is actually a bonus since the patterns haven't changed in in years. Catching people off gaurd gets us kills.
If we face a freep raid, of equal size, head on or are taken by surprise we die. Just LM AoE's alone are enough to cripple a creep raid. It's no ones fault. It's just how the game is. A well focused group/raid of freeps have the advantage, even over an experienced creep raid. And I talk from experience playing with Sowen, Aris, and Winn when they use to play. They were creep killing machines even against the odds (and why I started to love group play rather than raiding).
I hope I don't sound biased but keep in mind creeps deal with more noobs than freeps do. If a freep is level 75 they at least know the game and their class well enough to know what they should do than compared to a person that asks the raid where to buy armor for their creep or how to turn on voice.
But if freeps would rather be dps machines and waste power on WS skills rather than heal or save sprints for running away rather than pushing... thx in advanced for the infamy.
You know what they say: Zerglings gonna zerg.
Made a threat towards Davil that the next time he zergs me Im going to send him my next repair bill - freepside! Im so evil!!! muahhahahahaaha lets see what happens next time I stumble into his raid :P
I agree with most of ya, both sides act the same. Until PvMP gets balanced it will be like this.....
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