the set looks awful, hope they're gonna change it till live... the helm is a joke, and the color is totally disgusting.
Possible. the Isengard set in bullroarer looked horrible in Bullroarer and they changed it in the real game. Well, the helm still looks terrible but the rest is not so bad :P
Possible. the Isengard set in bullroarer looked horrible in Bullroarer and they changed it in the real game. Well, the helm still looks terrible but the rest is not so bad :P
In some moment devs decided we want to look like damn ninja. If I would like to look like ninja I would play some asian mmo.
I think the bigger threat is that the Hunters are gonna scream so much at their underwhelming PvMP set bonuses, that they'll reflect damage onto us. There is no + Dev Crit Miss Chance.
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ok if the dev chance is not consumed on a dev hit I have to take it all back if it is consumed on a dev hit i feel the same way.
so when you get a dev hit with the buff do you lose it?
if not you realy have to change the cosmetic on such a wonderfull set.
PS why not swap the 5 set bonus on the mischeif set to 1.5k crit d in mischeif and plus +20% melee & tac D to put us over the cap and be effective heavy armor raid debuffers in the moors?
Not the direction I want too see the class go and the way I want too see stealth/nostealth treated but it is a bandaid that could provide veriety and give us a viable secondery/group role in pvp till some real POSITIVE (POSITVE) changes come.
I cant beleafve I posted that so much compromise over what i want.
It hurts.
EDIT: More changes swaps
Gambler set
3 set Knifes out bleed debuff stack
5 set +5% damage on evade
MM set
2 set -25% tricks power cost
3 set QaS/small snag 10 sec silence
5 set 1500 crit D +20% tac/physical D in mischeif (effective heavy armor)
QN
2 set +3 stealth level +1 stealth detect (ever walk near a ba? need more than2) +352 crit
3 set -75% tracking range or better yet +10 sec tracking delay (set needs somthing more stealth, special)
5 set dev crit stacking buff
Kind of cleans up the 3 sets and provides more effective role appropriate bonuses.
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Hmm, I've noticed you are more cautious in the moors lately than before and while burg is not the God mode it was in 2008, it's not the weakest class in the moors either.
I play on zerg central (think Brandywine summer 2010) on Vilya fighting 2 to 5 wargs daily who spam track for me before and after Sabo's craid scours the moors for me and I get away more often than not.
The sets may suck but you'll have no choice but to get them because you'll need the audacity. I've gone up against 2 pathetic wargs now and dominated the fight only to do little damage because they already had 4 audacity and I only had one. They auto attacked, pounced in and out of stealth and spammed bleeds while I landed major hits from behind over and over only to cause little damage and eventually I broke off the fight to prevent myself from getting zerged or caught up in npcs they were hugging.
I find the LOTRO store stuff - brands, etc. more offensive to my playing burg than Turbine's creation of these new PVMP sets. Last week I had a reaver use trackers to get a raid down on me and last month a warg kept popping the brands while a p2w BA pew pew'd me from Grams to Lugz.
Last edited by Macgregor1821; Mar 17 2012 at 07:40 AM.
Pre-RoI R8 warg Brandywine R7 BA Brandywine R5 WL Brandywine R5 Warg Landroval R6 warg Vilya R5 BA Vilya
Hmm, I've noticed you are more cautious in the moors lately than before and while burg is not the God mode it was in 2008, it's not the weakest class in the moors either.
I play on zerg central (think Brandywine summer 2010) on Vilya fighting 2 to 5 wargs daily who spam track for me before and after Sabo's craid scours the moors for me and I get away more often than not.
The sets may suck but you'll have no choice but to get them because you'll need the audacity. I've gone up against 2 pathetic wargs now and dominated the fight only to do little damage because they already had 4 audacity and I only had one. They auto attacked, pounced in and out of stealth and spammed bleeds while I landed major hits from behind over and over only to cause little damage and eventually I broke off the fight to prevent myself from getting zerged or caught up in npcs they were hugging.
I find the LOTRO store stuff - brands, etc. more offensive to my playing burg than Turbine's creation of these new PVMP sets. Last week I had a reaver use trackers to get a raid down on me and last month a warg kept popping the brands while a p2w BA pew pew'd me from Grams to Lugz.
Im the new RK on the block well r7 older new
These changes were the straw that broke the camels back for me. Not the direction i was expecting. But, you get to know these devs and what they are about what classes they like and what classes they will sacrifice to the creeps for their favorites. Ask anyone on creep side that was ranked and decent what class needed to be nerfed, not one of them would say burg. Guess what class was nurfed in real play.
you could say they threw us to the wolves. In the hobbit didn't they hide up in a tree to get away from the wargs. I guess in the devs reading they just threw the hobbit to them and made their way out the back as the wargs feasted.
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Good to have people like you posting. With Any luck ZC all the burgs will be exterminated this time. Great changes. Love the to see the creep to freep population blow more out of line.
Last edited by ifreborn1; Mar 18 2012 at 02:26 PM.
Good to have people like you posting. With Any luck ZC all the burgs will be exterminated this time. Great changes. Love the to see the creep to freep population blow more out of line.
Nothing of this nonsense you come up with can change the fact that burglar's were very strong pre-U6 - especially in EM - and you're about the only person on these forums who still refuses to acknowledge that.
And burglar's haven't really been nerfed if you don't count audacity which arguably hurts us more than other classes that don't rely as much on cc as we do - but still not as much as the lore-master.
No, it's the creep classes that have been buffed and now some of them can actually fight back now (outrageous!!! ./sarcasm off). Once the audacity race has slowed down it'll be easier to see what's what and which classes that have improved the most.
On topic: the burglar sets look interesting, but it seems that the 5-set bonus on the QK set is gonna be a LOT better for pve than for pvp. Not complaining though. I like the +2 stealth on the QK set. Should be possible to get +11 again in a balanced build.
Nothing of this nonsense you come up with can change the fact that burglar's were very strong pre-U6 - especially in EM - and you're about the only person on these forums who still refuses to acknowledge that.
And burglar's haven't really been nerfed if you don't count audacity which arguably hurts us more than other classes that don't rely as much on cc as we do - but still not as much as the lore-master.
No, it's the creep classes that have been buffed and now some of them can actually fight back now (outrageous!!! ./sarcasm off). Once the audacity race has slowed down it'll be easier to see what's what and which classes that have improved the most.
On topic: the burglar sets look interesting, but it seems that the 5-set bonus on the QK set is gonna be a LOT better for pve than for pvp. Not complaining though. I like the +2 stealth on the QK set. Should be possible to get +11 again in a balanced build.
I will come back too this in a few weeks and bump it.
Oh look - Everborn is still banging the apocalypse drum.. and what's this? Nobody has started caring?
BRB calling CNN.
you promised me the other night you would never give me the time of day or respond to one of my post.
old habbits?
I'm not leading this charge. you guys are in phase one of a 3 phase plan and if you don't wise up and make a stand for your class soon you will loose a lot more than T&G and evade.
All the burgs with balls left this class you guys are all just a bunch of bottom feeders.
and of the 4-5 good burgs left on BW will be fun to see who is still active in a month.
So wargs will make it so I have NO BPE and locked in place
Spiders are just the anti burg
My stuns are almost near useless
My T&G and knives out that people think are god mode dont work any more in the real game enviroment.
Who cares about this set? you are killing the class that was already one of the tougest to play and weakest on the freep side.
It is like bringing flowers to our funiral after you are the A$$ that stabed us in the back.
I'd have to say it's true I've gotten WAY WAY WAY more resists on all my tricks lately and I'm not talking about LOTRO store brands getting out of slows.
Last edited by Macgregor1821; Mar 19 2012 at 07:58 PM.
Pre-RoI R8 warg Brandywine R7 BA Brandywine R5 WL Brandywine R5 Warg Landroval R6 warg Vilya R5 BA Vilya
Seriously? 1st ages? The hardcore, who buy everything from the LOTRO store and live at home while someone pays the bills might eventually have 1st ages on all of the toons and rank 7 audacity for them all but your generic casual player will not access these things.
I can count on my hands and toes the number of freeps I'm aware of who have hit audacity 3 and have a 1st age and I'm only at audacity 2 with a 2nd age and may have to beg captains to summon me to GV if my I have to help pay a family members medical bills. I don't even have a full row of buffs let alone the three I see some freeps on BW running around with.
I am QK burg, but tbh I consider to take two other sets. I mean 3 parts from chance and 3 parts from pandemonium. That combination will give me high P.Mastery with high evades, cool ko bonus, plus also nice bonus to damage on evades. What you think about this combo?
So i collected 5 pieces of gambler set, and i have to say... uhm... i started collect the devastate set... .) silence is nice, but only in fight with warleaders...
And devastate chance is in perfect coherence (right word?) with gambler line, because we have to wait for devastate attack for gambler buff...
Currently I went with two pieces of the Unseen to be able to boost my stealth to +11 and it has been a hoot being able to be stealth again behind creep ranks during a fight when no creeps are tracking. Granted I have to sacrifice a trait slot for the additional stealth boost and use stealth pocket and cape to get there but nevertheless the novelty of standing next to a BA without them seeing me hasn't yet worn off. I was considering go after three pieces of the Pandemonium set next for the KO bonus but am reconsidering. Can someone chime in that has the 5-set Unseen bonus and what their feelings are on it in practice?
Can someone chime in that has the 5-set Unseen bonus and what their feelings are on it in practice?
Love it. I like the 5 set bonus more in PvE outside of the moors as you can keep the buff up at 20% in a lot of fights. I find that in a lot of pvp fights it's nearly impossible for me to keep the buff up past 5-10% dev chance because either the fight is over already or during the 5 second window to tier up the buff it gets b/p/e'd or you aren't in range due to whatever reason being slowed, stunned, or warg packed to death.
I also have 3 pieces for KO swap bonus which is proving to be amazing. I went for the 3 set KO bonus first because I felt I would benefit more from it when running into a warg pack and I don't regret it for a second because I've seen multiple melee creeps burn through 5-8k morale during the 10 second dot reflect.
I'm also astonished at how many BA's are not seeing me or maybe even pretending not to see me... I'm running with +9 stealth level with the 2 set bonus and tend to stay behind them but it's nice feeling safe within 20m of a bunch of BA's while I watch some of the pew pew fests.
On my burg i now have 5 unseen and one chance. i went for the unseen because its very useful for instances too. All that devastate... and the stats are decent too.
But i think in quick moors fights i might benefit more from 3 chance and 3 pandemonium. Before going for that i would like someone to tell how much is the KO bleed and is there a limit and what it is on damage buffs on evade.
put screen shots if you can but ill believe in words too
Now that you've had a few weeks to test drive the new PvMP armor, does anyone find that they've changed their skill rotations or general tactics due to the set bonuses; particularly the Knives Out DoT?
On my burg i now have 5 unseen and one chance. i went for the unseen because its very useful for instances too. All that devastate... and the stats are decent too.
But i think in quick moors fights i might benefit more from 3 chance and 3 pandemonium. Before going for that i would like someone to tell how much is the KO bleed and is there a limit and what it is on damage buffs on evade.
put screen shots if you can but ill believe in words too
I came to the same conclusion,i hardly ever get the dev buff up in pvp,for long enough to have it stack... in PvE tho it is amazing ^^
From testing with a Burg friend that has the KO bleed Set,it seemed to do 170 ish dmg per tick 350ish on a critical tick.. stacks 3 times and is NOT affected by mitigations,or audacity.. atleast thats the expirience i had so far.. I believe the duration of each dot was 10seconds... but not sure,not ingame atm either,maybe someone else can confirm
I came to the same conclusion,i hardly ever get the dev buff up in pvp,for long enough to have it stack... in PvE tho it is amazing ^^
From testing with a Burg friend that has the KO bleed Set,it seemed to do 170 ish dmg per tick 350ish on a critical tick.. stacks 3 times and is NOT affected by mitigations,or audacity.. atleast thats the expirience i had so far.. I believe the duration of each dot was 10seconds... but not sure,not ingame atm either,maybe someone else can confirm
That's what you get for hitting carelessly a burglar with KO bleed up.
The DoT applies damage every 3 seconds for 15 seconds.
Knives Out (1) has a tick of 105 damage, and presumably 131 for Knives Out (2).
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In moria with my Burg atm just curious what to with with Sets QK line seems to suit how i play so obviously get the unseen set but would i get all 6? or 5-1 of another set just curious as i got com's to spend ;P.
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Chance/Pandemonium is easily the best set for moors. It helps out immensely in solo fights, people rarely recognize KO and thus get owned. As far as raids go I often just roll the old moors gear for the -50% heals, so I got the new moors gear for solo/small groups and it works quite well I must say.
Commendations are easy enough to get try out multiple sets to find out what combination you like best.
This is probably the wrong forum, but how many hours of gameplay would one need to get one set? Considering that I'm on a low population server and dont really enjoy pvp.
I think the set looks fine enough. It has a decent oriental look to it, without falling into the classic "ninja-lookalike" category
That all depends on whether you run solo/grouped/or raid. The amount of commendations you get is also dependent on several other factors like the rating of the creep/freep you are trying to kill and whether you turn in pve quest. I can usually get 1.5k commendations in an hour to two hours if the action is fairly steady without any PvE.
Last edited by Elranduri; Apr 25 2012 at 11:36 AM.
makes me wonder if a dev has even played a burg longer than 5 min?
we loose crit and gain a dev chance on 1 skill?
if knives out only hits each target once and is on a 2 min timer how can it stack?
silence can be poted the old -30% healing penalty was >
What is going on can these be changed or updated to releveant skills?
are you guys on crack? for real?
I hate to say it but he's onto something here. I got both sets - unseen and pandemonium and neither seem to be doing what they describe. I have yet to see a bleed off KO or stacking and I've had a 5K hit on an NPC for SS but on creeps it's still never more than 3+ and occasionally only 1K.
You will not hit for 5k unless you find a creep with 0 audacity that just created that character. Audacity and the mitigations of ranked creeps have will prevent you from hitting that hard on any creep. However, I do see 3k+ from SS on a regular basis. Both the Unseen set and the Pandemonium set work as they describe at least from my experience. The Unseen set requires you work SS into a rotation and use it to keep the +X% dev chance up. Look at other post regarding the KO bonus and you will see how that effect actually works.
Me thinks I'm unique in running the full Chance set... have yet to see any problem with it at all for my build or playstyle. The 3 set bonus is nice if you want to mix/match and granted the Silence from the 5 piece bonus is really only useful against some Warleader skills... haven't found much use for the other sets at all. No matter how much audacity or what set I'm wearing, the creeps mitigate it with sheer numbers haha
*pokes any other full chance set burgs for a high-five!*
"I am the shadow and the smoke in your eyes. I am the ghost that hides in the night."
3 of the chance and 3 pandemonium is what I am aiming for, then getting the dev chance one afterwards for
Pve! The +15% dmg and the dot arnt as hard to keep up and they seem to work well!
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I'm going with 3 of the Unseen set and 3 of the Pandemonium set. That way, I have the +2 stealth level and +off hand dmg atop of agil/vit from the pieces along with the 3 pieces of Pandemonium that will give me the KO bleeds. I currently have the Gloves of the Unseen and the Boots of the Unseen, my next purchase will be the Pauldrons of the Unseen, followed by the Leggings, Jacket and Helm of the Pandemonium to finish it off.
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