Thread: Lack of Class in Riddermark

Hey does anyone else think there is a lack of class on this server? I've never seen people act like they do on Ridder than any of the other 4 servers I play on. Especially in Ettenmoors. Both sides zerg in 1v1 and do other things that just dont seem classy. This is MY OPINION, not trying to say its a fact. I just want your opinions.

there's usually hard to find cappys, just my oppinion.

edit: no one got the joke /sad

I've played on a total of 6 different servers (including Riddermark) and of all the servers this one is by far the best. Best to me means: the attitudes are better, the people are way more friendlier, the pvp is better in that you're lucky you get 1v1 circles here, more goes on (Moria instances are still being run for goodness sakes), and people generally get along better. All social interaction games will have their issues and their bad apples. But as a whole, this is my favourite server and I love all the freeps and creeps. Sometimes you just have to knock the chip of your shoulder (no accusing you as I have no clue who you are) before interacting. The results are generally more favourable.

I'm very glad I transferred here and thank everyone for the nice welcomes and friendly chats.

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Hey does anyone else think there is a lack of class on this server? I've never seen people act like they do on Ridder than any of the other 4 servers I play on. Especially in Ettenmoors. Both sides zerg in 1v1 and do other things that just dont seem classy. This is MY OPINION, not trying to say its a fact. I just want your opinions.

I play on a few servers too, riddermark is no worse or better than the others. In terms of PvP it suffers from a lot of flipping from side to side and you the pool of players is shrinking. I find that to be a problem because some take things personally (the evidence is overwhelming, read OOC or GLFF). Net effect is, you have bad players not skill wise, maturity wise that flavor the play. The server has a good raiding community and the PUG’s are decent enough. It’s an active server so therein lay the real strength of the community. You get good and bad where ever you go.

Best advice I can give you is don’t freep and creep on the same server. Riddermark is a good server but it’s got the same problems all the others do, except for activity.

Well thats what I meant. Not skill wise (there are some very skillfull players on this server) but maturity wise is mainly what I meant.

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Hey does anyone else think there is a lack of class on this server? I've never seen people act like they do on Ridder than any of the other 4 servers I play on. Especially in Ettenmoors. Both sides zerg in 1v1 and do other things that just dont seem classy. This is MY OPINION, not trying to say its a fact. I just want your opinions.

####, people are killing people in pvp again?

Originally Posted by Saelyth

there's usually hard to find cappys, just my oppinion.

edit: no one got the joke /sad

+rep for making me giggle like Stu from The Hangover

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Hey does anyone else think there is a lack of class on this server? I've never seen people act like they do on Ridder than any of the other 4 servers I play on. Especially in Ettenmoors. Both sides zerg in 1v1 and do other things that just dont seem classy. This is MY OPINION, not trying to say its a fact. I just want your opinions.

Your gripe seems to be more with the monster play on the server, rather than the server as a whole.
Maybe post this in the Monster Play subsection.

As for the server as a whole: I started playing this game back in late 2006. I was on Meneldor the day it was released up until Sept 2010, when Riddermark launched.

Within one week of Ridder launching, I had met more good people than all my years on Meneldor.

Im not trying to say there is no good people on this server, there are many great people. Im just saying that there are too many of the bad ones. But like I said earlier, its just my opinion and maybe it just me thats off not anyone else.

And lol I get the joke NOW xD

Originally Posted by Saelyth

there's usually hard to find cappys, just my oppinion.

edit: no one got the joke /sad

Troll much? Lmao. + rep.


Yeah, Sele, I agree with you. Since Isengard, class has decreased amazingly. However, there are some incredibly awesome people here. I.e. you, just about everyone in Legends of Numenor, and.. Actually, just about every kinship I've been in.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Yeah, Sele, I agree with you. Since Isengard, class has decreased amazingly. However, there are some incredibly awesome people here. I.e. you, just about everyone in Legends of Numenor, and.. Actually, just about every kinship I've been in.

Well hey there Thandil, long time no see . Yeah that is when I noticed a change, right after the Isengard update came out. I also agree most of the kins ive been in were pretty awesome too. MOST of the people ive met in Riddermark have been pretty awesome as well, there are just too many that arent i guess.

Glad you at least think im awesome!

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Well hey there Thandil, long time no see . Yeah that is when I noticed a change, right after the Isengard update came out. I also agree most of the kins ive been in were pretty awesome too. MOST of the people ive met in Riddermark have been pretty awesome as well, there are just too many that arent i guess.

Glad you at least think im awesome!

I think most servers had an influx of rude players after ROI. Gladden has had some issues as well. My kin on Riddermark was founded a few months before it came out, and while I found Riddermark different from Gladden, it was still a fun place to be. I have to say that most of the verteran players on Riddermark seem cool. Guess you just have to give the new guys some time to learn how to play like a SIR.

Just my opinion, but looking for class on a PvP server is like looking for an honest man in Parliament. Might be there, but not long. Again, just my opinion, but PvP brings out the worst in MMO players. I have played many MMOs with PvP and it's always a disappointing affair when it comes to behaviour.

As for class on the Riddermark PvE server, it is like any other MMO server. There are class acts and classless actors alike. One of the driving reasons for forming and managing a kinship/alliance - PUGs are notoriously hit or miss.

Cheers,

Fara

To be honest what was actually my real answer because i didn't get the OP post and i though he was asking wich class is harder to find in our server xD. Added the "edit" when i realize i was wrong. thanks for the rep hahaha.

Originally Posted by Saelyth

To be honest what was actually my real answer because i didn't get the OP post and i though he was asking wich class is harder to find in our server xD. Added the "edit" when i realize i was wrong. thanks for the rep hahaha.

Hahahaha I never guessed that. +Rep just for making me laugh!

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Well hey there Thandil, long time no see . Yeah that is when I noticed a change, right after the Isengard update came out. I also agree most of the kins ive been in were pretty awesome too. MOST of the people ive met in Riddermark have been pretty awesome as well, there are just too many that arent i guess.

Glad you at least think im awesome!

Yeah. It started with nobody wanting to take lower levels on GBs. Then nobody wanted to help with the tough quests (I once got a 'do it yourself, f**ktard' from the KINSHIP I was in, I left it after that.) Then everything just stopped, and now it's the guys who are actually YOUR level who will help, that's still pretty nice, but I miss the times when a 65 would run past you when you were mobbed down and help you slaughter everything. The 75s just go on their way now, like 'ehh, he's 45, he can take the 5 elites, 4 wargs and 8 orcs he's got all over him.'

And yes, I'm back, just as long as I keep my test grades up, and don't do anymore absolutely stupid stuff.

Hopefully I'll bump into you ingame sometime

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Hopefully I'll bump into you ingame sometime

Aye, I wish ya could, but I rarely play on my Ridder toons anymore, except for my Blackarrow in Moors. I have relocated to the Evernight server (maybe permanently). I still have one (low-level) guy on Riddermark as of now though.

Aw man! Well, you're more than welcome to come back any time you want, man. -1 for the Ridder

Actually, to tell you the truth, if relocating didn't cost a freaking arm and a leg, I'd have done that by now. BUT, seeing as how I can't bear the though of leaving Thandil and Lothreth alone on a server, I don't think relocations will happen untill:
a. Turbine gives one or two away
b. I get banned from the Ridder
c. I just force myself to relocate.

Lol.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Aw man! Well, you're more than welcome to come back any time you want, man. -1 for the Ridder

Actually, to tell you the truth, if relocating didn't cost a freaking arm and a leg, I'd have done that by now. BUT, seeing as how I can't bear the though of leaving Thandil and Lothreth alone on a server, I don't think relocations will happen untill:
a. Turbine gives one or two away
b. I get banned from the Ridder
c. I just force myself to relocate.

Lol.

I still may or may not decide to come back to Ridder. If I came back it would be mainly for my kinmates that I will miss. But don't get me wrong, I didnt pay to relocate. First I deleted my main toon (Sele) for a multitude of reasons, created a LM on Evernight, and I havent really looked back since. I do alot of the pvmp on Ridder still though. When I say I might come back, I mean I might pull a character undelete on Sele lol.

P.S. Could ya give a shout out to my former kinnies that are in Kindred Souls now?

Originally Posted by EagleNine

Just my opinion, but looking for class on a PvP server is like looking for an honest man in Parliament. Might be there, but not long. Again, just my opinion, but PvP brings out the worst in MMO players. I have played many MMOs with PvP and it's always a disappointing affair when it comes to behaviour.

Hahaha nice analogy there. And I agree.

Absolutely, man. Have fun, see you round.

i dotn think so moors wise sure the freeps do steamroll 1 v 1s some times but usually they are respectful and i even some times get into emote convorstions with a few(burgs will always kill me though)

PvE side of Ridder seems pretty good, but everynow and then you run into some knucklehead. I suppose that happens in every game though. It just seems to be a lot more of the knuckleheands then usual.

PvP side though is patheticly bad. Part of the reason is Turbine, for making Moors suck, and for the unbalance of the classes. The other part of the reason is the lack of respect for other players. I think that aspect of Moors is becoming more and more predominant as time goes by.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Yeah. It started with nobody wanting to take lower levels on GBs. Then nobody wanted to help with the tough quests (I once got a 'do it yourself, f**ktard' from the KINSHIP I was in, I left it after that.) Then everything just stopped, and now it's the guys who are actually YOUR level who will help, that's still pretty nice, but I miss the times when a 65 would run past you when you were mobbed down and help you slaughter everything. The 75s just go on their way now, like 'ehh, he's 45, he can take the 5 elites, 4 wargs and 8 orcs he's got all over him.'

And yes, I'm back, just as long as I keep my test grades up, and don't do anymore absolutely stupid stuff.

Hopefully I'll bump into you ingame sometime

Hey I have done that on occasion... I love randomly helping noobs on the Lalia quest in the northern barrow downs at random. I remember that quest being really tough for me when I was a wee Noob.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

(I once got a 'do it yourself, f**ktard' from the KINSHIP I was in, I left it after that.)

LoL Man that's harsh......funny, but harsh.

I wouldn't sweat stuff like that. Especially on the internet, it's everywhere not just this server, not just this game. In fact that'd be a tame response to a plea for help at my job (but then they'd help). Or probably on any construction site, or in any locker room, or any barracks. Cultures and people's attitudes will clash when taken from such varied backgrounds with only a game in common.

Originally Posted by ContraMundum

LoL Man that's harsh......funny, but harsh.

I wouldn't sweat stuff like that. Especially on the internet, it's everywhere not just this server, not just this game. In fact that'd be a tame response to a plea for help at my job (but then they'd help). Or probably on any construction site, or in any locker room, or any barracks. Cultures and people's attitudes will clash when taken from such varied backgrounds with only a game in common.

Sometimes you get those kind of people in your kin. The kind that expect you to drop everthing you are doing to "help them lvl". They don't want you to log into an appropriate lvl alt for an on lvl challenge, they want you to face roll it with your main so they can reap all the rewards while you have wasted a few hours of your own time with nothing to show for it. And they want this done for them everytime they log on and will cry and complain until someone gives in. These are the people in Riddermark who lack class. The harsh thing to do would be to let these lazy beggars harrass your kin.

Originally Posted by Falwynn

Hey I have done that on occasion... I love randomly helping noobs on the Lalia quest in the northern barrow downs at random. I remember that quest being really tough for me when I was a wee Noob.

I think KS is the exception to the rule.

Although my old LoN brethren do stop to help out when they see me.

I would agree that there is a sense of douchebaggery going on in the game in general, but no more than any other game gets.


The problem is, when the game is new, everyone is learning and willing to talk, help, etc.

But when the game is out for a while, older players tend to think of themselves as "better" than newer people.


For example: Before my holidays, I was slightly bored, so I decided to make a monster player to mess around in the moors for a bit. I hadn't seriously played there since 2007 on Meneldor, and really enjoyed it at the time.

Let me tell you, the attitude and the general condescending attitude of that was enough to drive anyone away. I wont get into details of names or specific examples (if you want them, PM me), but it was awful.

Which is exactly why I'm moving my PVMP to a different server. I can't take Ridder's (PVMP) &&&& anymore.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Which is exactly why I'm moving my PVMP to a different server. I can't take Ridder's (PVMP) &&&& anymore.

I would caution against this....


If everyone moves to a different server, wouldn't that server then have everyone that made the last server stupid?

I used to stop to help new players all the time. Until a friend pointed out to me that they hated when over-leveled players did that. The reason is, they usual pulled the mobs on purpose and if they get "help" from a non-grouped over-leveled player, it reduces the EXP earned. Other members of my kin pointed out that they hated it too. So, I stopped.

This is the general rule of thumb in my LOTRO time. Help is not given until help is asked for.

I think too many people make assumptions on what people are thinking when they don't help. I feel I am hurting your leveling process if I just jump in.

Just my 2 cents,
Seb

Originally Posted by knockturnal98

I used to stop to help new players all the time. Until a friend pointed out to me that they hated when over-leveled players did that. The reason is, they usual pulled the mobs on purpose and if they get "help" from a non-grouped over-leveled player, it reduces the EXP earned. Other members of my kin pointed out that they hated it too. So, I stopped.

This is the general rule of thumb in my LOTRO time. Help is not given until help is asked for.

I think too many people make assumptions on what people are thinking when they don't help. I feel I am hurting your leveling process if I just jump in.

Just my 2 cents,
Seb

Wait. What? When over-level players help me out, I love it. When I help lower level players out, they love it.

I've never had anyone fuss at me over taking the aggro of one extra mob and helping finish off the other one.

Nobody pulls one too many mobs on purpose. I'd rather lose xp than end up back at that confounded rez circle.

Regardless of your opinion on the matter, not everyone loves it. As I just pointed out I don't nor do members of my kinship in most circumstances. If we disagree fine. But I am sure we can't be the only ones who feel this way. Also I enjoy a challenge. I pulled way to many mobs and fought to the point of death, taking them with me, is more fun than some dude saved me.

Originally Posted by airsoftg36c

Wait. What? When over-level players help me out, I love it. When I help lower level players out, they love it.

I've never had anyone fuss at me over taking the aggro of one extra mob and helping finish off the other one.

Nobody pulls one too many mobs on purpose. I'd rather lose xp than end up back at that confounded rez circle.

No, he's right... In that situation, it is bad to help lowbies. There are obviously exceptions to every rule, but I am sure 95% of us have been out killing a monster, almost have it dead (while maintaining our morale), and had someone "help" by delivering that final blow. I gently remind people that is rude with a /slap


What i'm talking about is different, though. Monster Play doesn't rely on XP. It relies on getting kills and ranking up, which is VERY difficult to do for a new player (or even someone starting out a new monster).

The only way I will help newbies is with morale. If they're taking on a mob and I see that they are nearly dead, I'll rally them (I believe that's the wrong skill but I can't think of the right one at the moment).

And until today I would never had said that there were rude players on Riddermark. But then today I went to get Brishzel for the Deed and there was a group of newbies in there. They beat him once. So I decided to wait for him to respawn. The second he did, they tagged him again. Here is where I helped out with the morale because they were very underlevel for what they were doing and a couple of them were about to die. After they beat him I waited again. As soon as he respawned, they ran over and tagged him a third time before I had a chance. I kindly let them know that that was a little bit rude. Instead of replying they all ran away.

I totaly agree with Leksi I've played at least 4 servers and the Ridder is my home. You'll find immature people on all the servers but Ridder is minimal and I've played for a couple of years and this is the place for me! Sorry you're having a bad time on the Ridder, hope it gets better!

Originally Posted by Leksi

I've played on a total of 6 different servers (including Riddermark) and of all the servers this one is by far the best. Best to me means: the attitudes are better, the people are way more friendlier, the pvp is better in that you're lucky you get 1v1 circles here, more goes on (Moria instances are still being run for goodness sakes), and people generally get along better. All social interaction games will have their issues and their bad apples. But as a whole, this is my favourite server and I love all the freeps and creeps. Sometimes you just have to knock the chip of your shoulder (no accusing you as I have no clue who you are) before interacting. The results are generally more favourable.

I'm very glad I transferred here and thank everyone for the nice welcomes and friendly chats.

Riddermark is and will always be my home in terms of PvE. I have met too many wonderful people here to just up and leave.

PvP is a completely different story....for me anways.

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Riddermark is and will always be my home in terms of PvE. I have met too many wonderful people here to just up and leave.

I couldn't agree more ... Love this server.

Fara