Thread: Release Notes - Update 6: Shores of the Great River - BULLROARER ONLY 3-1-2012

Originally Posted by Elderban

I think it had more to do with half of their player base ragequitting after the RoI and Update 5 fiasco...Turbine may have finally come to their senses.



GASP! Housing got some updates? Maybe there's hope for this game after all.

I'd ask for a citation on that... but I know you don't have one.

Originally Posted by Maldrake

There are so many replies already that I have to ask without seeing if it has been answered already.

I don't see any mention of giving us the ability to choose (non-randomly) the instance we wish to go into. I believe we where promised this feature for update 6.

Yes, you can run instances with any of the current IJ features from the manual tab of the IF.

Well I was really looking forward to the solider on the landscape but after seeing the cost which I have to say is ridiculous I am very disappointed. Just outrageous to charge that much for an hour, come on! I don't think I will be using this feature now.

With the housing, you couldn't do any better then this? Come on Turbine!

Originally Posted by GB-Esty

What's the point in playing a game if it's not fun? I just don't get why they design systems that are intentionally dull. I could understand it it felt like an achievement but does anyone really get that from deeds? Perhaps it's intended to make me spend more time in game but while that may work for some if something's boring me I just won't do it, especially when that something is entertainment I have to pay for. This probably explains why I barely log in at all these days.

I agree that slayer deeds are an awfully dull way of rewarding people with minor stat enhancements. Yet my point was that if it's not fun for you, then don't do it. Virtue grinding is not a fundemental part of the game. You do not need maxed virtues to enjoy any sort of content, let alone clear it. Simple as that.

There is more to the game than maxing virtues, and you probably know that as well.

Turbine did indeed listen.

The things that have been altered / will be altered by Update 6 that I for one am totally happy about are too many to list.

This is the right direction imo.

Very cool & thumbs up from this player here!

Any chance some Freeps can pop into the 'moors for testing and to see if we (Creeps) can get the tier 2 pop buff (currently t1)?

You don't even have to fight if you don't want to.. just hang out in GV or watch the 1v1's taking place at Lugz XR

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

Originally Posted by Gohankuten

Didn't orion already tell you guys in your own forums that anthem of war is getting its buffs nerfed? It just hasn't been put in the patch notes yet it seems.

I believe you are correct. However, my comment at the time was specific to the quoted snippage and the (at the time) current state of the Patch Notes. There was (is still?) no Minstrel note, pending or otherwise. I stand by the scope of my coughs.

Good work Turbine
Congratulations.

But keep on working, there's still a huge work to do : balance pvp and a new map, fix all the bugs in the game and translate the game in French and German (not with Googletranslate plz).

Suerte !

Some very cool stuff in there... I particularly like the move to bind to account on barter wallet items and IXP stuff.

However... can anyone confirm if the Destiny removal has gone through on PvE quests, removing one of the big pluses for being a VIP with no replacement in sight? I do hope not...

Could u do so burgs can enter a stance in combat, or swap them in combat. I dont see the point that we are the only class who cant. In raids where we need to stun mobs its really annoying if u forget to get in mischief after a wipe.

Any word on what the barter cost of a Worn Symbol will be?

Premium Barter Wallet is a big win!!!

Whoa, loving the surprise Reaver updates.

And Hele cosmetics! Just need the Rift armor now

Given that I've converted to the "dark side" and now spend 99% of my time creep-side I was excited to see the new changes for wargs, reavers, and spiders. Sadly, defilers are getting screwed once again. Both freep healing classes, minis and rk's (not even mentioning captains) can bang out some serious dps while in combat and switch between the two (healing or dps) almost effortlessly. The defilers have a few measly gourd attacks that do a baseline damage of a few hundred pts, and slow inductions on their one big heal, along will all inductions on their de-buffs excepting their slow and fear. Have you ever watched two defilers spar. Unless one of them is grossly incompetent it will end in a draw as they both waddle around bashing each other over the head with their staffs while healing through the damage. What gives? Do Turbine creep developers have some bias against making the defiler a viable killing machine? I enjoy the challenge of a healer role in raids but solo I'm a sitting duck and quite frankly it's bullarky.

In a separate but related vein, all these changes for the rk's and with first age weapons becoming more common I'm finding the disparity between creep and freep dps ever growing. I've been hit for over 9k by a Heartseeker, and after talking with the hunter he admitted he's hit for over 10k and that with only a 2nd Age weapon! On my rank 9 BA the best I've ever hit with vital target, on a norbog mind you, was for 4.3k and that's with a nice long cool-down before I can use it again. My moving target which greatly negates incoming range damage for 30 oh so short seconds, has a huge 5 minute cool-down, and my Uruk heal a 3 minute cooldwon. Rk's appear to be getting a major overhaul which will make them even more potent, Mini's are already god's in the moors, aside from the few morons who never learned to play their class. I'm seeing hunters with 10k+ morale, the list goes on and on.

Honestly, what does it take for you,TURBINE, to pay closer attention to this aspect of your game? I am a paying customer and although I enjoyed freep-side in the past, I grew tired of the same boring routine, long raids, grinding out dailies and whatnot for a few pts higher dps, stats, etc. Tried creep-side and never looked back. Sadly, I think the same came be said of you and how you treat the creeps out in the Moors. If I, as a BA, am supposed to be the "glass-cannon" of Sauron's forces then give me some damn dps that makes people think that. Stop sugarcoating the Moors for all the PvE raid babies who come out and get wiped when they solo so you bump their heals, mit's (break the creeps mit's and call it an "improvement" then "fix" them by reverting back to original...what a fiasco that was), introduce even more Moors armour for the poor widdle freeps with even better bonuses that negate creep damage, add more, higher damaging weapons...ad nauseum. As I'm sure you've noticed the attrition has begun. You are losing the core, long-time veterans from your creep ranks because you continue to bandaid us (the creeps) and baby the freeps. With the new update you claim to be pushing for more PvMp action, but most freeps can't get beyond the simple concept that their going to die in the moors and that is....acceptable! They view keeps as another mini-raid session and once captured spend 3/4 of their time hiding in it because those scary, underpowered, under-equipped, under-damaging creeps will wipe them off the map in a second. Why? Because we've learned to play our damn classes instead of sitting in a raid with our inadequacies hidden.

You wanna make it fair, give us some armour. Introduce some weapons, some jewelry, whatever, or actually fix (not break and pretend) our mitigations.

One pissed-off Black Arrow signing off.

P.S. All you hobbit mini's who love to flop at the first sign of death have a special place in the darkest depths of my heart. Nothing like a cowardly freep who can't hack dying in a PvMP zone to make my day.

Holy Renown... It's Very nice

This is one of the best sets of patchnotes, like, ever. I'm so excited

Originally Posted by Nyrion

I'd ask for a citation on that... but I know you don't have one.

A citation on Turbine coming to their senses? No, can't say that I do.

But I generally judge the numbers based on how many people are in GLFF. Prior to RoI, I saw between 400 and 500 during peak times. Lately it hasn't broke 250.

Of course, this only refers to the server I am on, so take it with a grain of salt I guess.

As an alternative to the skirmish soldier summoning token how about the landscape summoning skill has a 24 hour cooldown and buy tokens for additional uses? At current prices they will be largely irrelevant. I am glad to see stat tome and relic removals scrolls obtainable in game but do they have a realistic drop rate? Pleased to see weaver changes and new area promises character development with less emphasis on grinding.

Originally Posted by Sapience

• You can now exchange Moria Guards and Miners reputation items by visiting the reputation vendors in Moria.

Sorry, have not logged into BR yet to find out what this means, will do so this weekend if it's still up, but if you're referring to bartering Miners rep into Guards rep and vice versa isn't that already available in live, pretty sure I did that last night.

[*]Worn Symbols of Celebrimbor have a 100% chance to drop on T1.[*]Worn Symbols of the Elder King have an increased chance to drop on T2 (50/75/100%, depending on boss), and always drop on Challenge.[*]Broken Cloak Clasps have an increased chance to drop from Saruman (50/100/100%, depending on Tier)[*]Crafting Recipe drop rates have been improved.[*]An additional Relic and IAXP rune drop have been added.[*]Equipment drop rates have been adjusted.

WHO CARES?!?! Instead of rethinking these idiot fights, you up the drop rate? pfft just like OD and those idiotic fights, only (lets be generous) 10% of the player base even complete T2. People are still leaving in droves and the main reason is these unbelievably STUPID endgame fights. Oh but wait, we can always go grind the same skirms you have been grinding for the last TWO years. WHY would a level 75 who can get a worn symbol from Draigoch(max 30 minutes) and has a bank full of them even care about worn symbol dropping in Orthanc?

Originally Posted by TMatus

[*]Worn Symbols of Celebrimbor have a 100% chance to drop on T1.[*]Worn Symbols of the Elder King have an increased chance to drop on T2 (50/75/100%, depending on boss), and always drop on Challenge.[*]Broken Cloak Clasps have an increased chance to drop from Saruman (50/100/100%, depending on Tier)[*]Crafting Recipe drop rates have been improved.[*]An additional Relic and IAXP rune drop have been added.[*]Equipment drop rates have been adjusted.

WHO CARES?!?! Instead of rethinking these idiot fights, you up the drop rate? pfft just like OD and those idiotic fights, only (lets be generous) 10% of the player base even complete T2. People are still leaving in droves and the main reason is these unbelievably STUPID endgame fights. Oh but wait, we can always go grind the same skirms you have been grinding for the last TWO years. WHY would a level 75 who can get a worn symbol from Draigoch(max 30 minutes) and has a bank full of them even care about worn symbol dropping in Orthanc?

Because not every L75 has "banks full of Worn Symbols". I don't know how you've been doing your Draigoch runs, but I have NEVER heard of it taking less than an hour, much less below 30 mins., You're only guaranteed one the first time through. After that, you just have to get lucky on rolls. The only Worn Symbol I've gotten is that guaranteed one from Draigoch, in fact. My rolls when one has appeared have generally sucked.

As for "idiot fights", what exactly is "idiot" about them? What do you want from them exactly? Why are they stupid? I thought they were fairly challenging and interesting myself, from the ones I've been on, at least.

"People living in droves"? Prove it.

Originally Posted by Armaius

Because not every L75 has "banks full of Worn Symbols". I don't know how you've been doing your Draigoch runs, but I have NEVER heard of it taking less than an hour, much less below 30 mins., You're only guaranteed one the first time through. After that, you just have to get lucky on rolls. The only Worn Symbol I've gotten is that guaranteed one from Draigoch, in fact. My rolls when one has appeared have generally sucked.

As for "idiot fights", what exactly is "idiot" about them? What do you want from them exactly? Why are they stupid? I thought they were fairly challenging and interesting myself, from the ones I've been on, at least.

"People living in droves"? Prove it.

the only thing I agree with him is about draigoch, I have joined several pugs that completed it in 30mins +/- a few mins.

having symbols drop from orthanc isn't that great really, the worn symbol is gonna be in the skirmish camp for about 1k-ish marks and 200 or so meds(off the top of my head can't really remember exact numbers but its close to that).

Originally Posted by Rugba

the only thing I agree with him is about draigoch, I have joined several pugs that completed it in 30mins +/- a few mins.

having symbols drop from orthanc isn't that great really, the worn symbol is gonna be in the skirmish camp for about 1k-ish marks and 200 or so meds(off the top of my head can't really remember exact numbers but its close to that).

I'd be interested to see the actual number being used, because if it's that low, that represents a substantial shift in the availability of 2nd age weapons. Heck, you could almost get that from bartering a single foundry's worth of medallions.

Originally Posted by Sapience

The value of five ducks is now one pig, however pigs will continue to be worth their weight in gold because you can make bacon out of them!

Amen...........

Originally Posted by SHADOW83

The store cost for the skirmish token is 100 pts each.The token value in the skirmish camp is 1500 marks and 75 medallions.That seems a bit much for only a 1 hour use.

:-o I really hope this is some kind of mistake. It's the (casual) soloers who probably "need" the help of skirmish soldiers in the landscape most, and those are the same people with least amount of marks and medallions. Doing one solo skirmish gives you now, what, 100 marks and 5 medallions (if you do the encounters as well) WITH instance finder bonus. The time needed is maybe 20 minutes (depends which skirmish you get). So, that means you have to run maybe 15 skirmishes, which would take 5 hours, just to be able to summon your soldier to landscape for one hour? LOL.

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

Well I was really looking forward to the solider on the landscape but after seeing the cost which I have to say is ridiculous I am very disappointed. Just outrageous to charge that much for an hour, come on! I don't think I will be using this feature now.

My thoughts exactly. Oh well, this is going to the same category as this "best armour available to soldiers": WAY too much so you could gain only a small help - I am skipping that as well. Unfortunately

I am still looking forward exploring this new area though - traditional way then

So yet again, no changes at all to hunters. Roll another toon guys. Which would you rather have in a raid, 4 hunters, 2 hunters + 2 burgs or 4 burgs? Look at a recent T2 acid clearance on Youtube and tell me burg stacking isn't the way to go for DPS races.

I dont understand the devaluation to the PvE sets by giving captains a new RC Spam set, which is on a 3 set bonus.

Surely this set devalues the PvE sets?

Too late...

Originally Posted by MessyR

I dont understand the devaluation to the PvE sets by giving captains a new RC Spam set, which is on a 3 set bonus.

Surely this set devalues the PvE sets?

Look at the RK Heal set
Never ever bother to heal yourself again, you´re gonna be autohealed, when using Mending Vers

You loose 120 Will, but the new barter jewelry will put you at 50% Cap regardless
3-set bonus is the same, 5-set bonus of Orthanc will be close to unuseable due to the much higher power consumation RKs have

Originally Posted by Gilean-EU

:-o I really hope this is some kind of mistake. It's the (casual) soloers who probably "need" the help of skirmish soldiers in the landscape most, and those are the same people with least amount of marks and medallions. Doing one solo skirmish gives you now, what, 100 marks and 5 medallions (if you do the encounters as well) WITH instance finder bonus. The time needed is maybe 20 minutes (depends which skirmish you get). So, that means you have to run maybe 15 skirmishes, which would take 5 hours, just to be able to summon your soldier to landscape for one hour? LOL.


My thoughts exactly. Oh well, this is going to the same category as this "best armour available to soldiers": WAY too much so you could gain only a small help - I am skipping that as well. Unfortunately

I am still looking forward exploring this new area though - traditional way then

15?? more like 4-5 skirmishes that take very little time to complete(I am talking about 12 mans, theres no point doing any others quite frankly), with 15 you would reach 4k marks perhaps, regardless I would not use this function as it seems pretty useless to me as nearly any freep class has no trouble with landscape npcs.

mHH. I have a big issue ! Last night, I was maybe a little tired and i couldn't find the entrance of the new area.

I know I know, shame on me. So, someone to say from where it starts ?

thanks

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

So yet again, no changes at all to hunters. Roll another toon guys. Which would you rather have in a raid, 4 hunters, 2 hunters + 2 burgs or 4 burgs? Look at a recent T2 acid clearance on Youtube and tell me burg stacking isn't the way to go for DPS races.

Same goes with captains,not a single change.These changes that it mentions are from previous BR notes

Originally Posted by Rugba

15?? more like 4-5 skirmishes that take very little time to complete(I am talking about 12 mans, theres no point doing any others quite frankly), with 15 you would reach 4k marks perhaps, regardless I would not use this function as it seems pretty useless to me as nearly any freep class has no trouble with landscape npcs.

I am sure you are right, but I was talking about solo skirmishes which gives a lot less marks, and only a few medallions (and that's only if you do those encounters). The paradox here is that it's the casual solo players who would probably use landscape soldier sytem most, and it's just them who have the hardest time getting those marks/medallions needed to summon the landscape soldier. Those who run group (raid) skirmishes are probably grouping quite a lot anyway, and they are people who are less likely to need those landscape soldiers (even when they do solo lanscape quests, as their armour sets and 1st/2nd age LI's give them that extra boost anyway).

Originally Posted by Gilean-EU

I am sure you are right, but I was talking about solo skirmishes which gives a lot less marks, and only a few medallions (and that's only if you do those encounters). The paradox here is that it's the casual solo players who would probably use landscape soldier sytem most, and it's just them who have the hardest time getting those marks/medallions needed to summon the landscape soldier. Those who run group (raid) skirmishes are probably grouping quite a lot anyway, and they are people who are less likely to need those landscape soldiers (even when they do solo lanscape quests, as their armour sets and 1st/2nd age LI's give them that extra boost anyway).

I was thinking of testing a new herbalist for my LM , to make soloing elites a bit easier. But at this cost it's rather impractical, not to mention saving marks for the symbols.

Yeah it's going to take a long time for me to get two worn symbols completely solo, unless they increase currency reward rates a bit too. Oh well I'm not at the cap yet anyway, I'll have to see how good third agers are first.

Originally Posted by Sapience

The value of five ducks is now one pig, however pigs will continue to be worth their weight in gold because you can make bacon out of them!

Ehm, wait, what..?


lol

Originally Posted by Gardhik

mHH. I have a big issue ! Last night, I was maybe a little tired and i couldn't find the entrance of the new area.

I know I know, shame on me. So, someone to say from where it starts ?

thanks

Sorry, can someone answered me ? ^^ I will be very thankful to you if I can go to the new area when back at home this evening

Originally Posted by Gardhik

Sorry, can someone answered me ? ^^ I will be very thankful to you if I can go to the new area when back at home this evening

It's not open yet, except on Bullroarer, which is test server But you will find "the entrance" to this new area when it's released by going to Lothlorien and following the Great River south...

Ahh, I tried by going to Mirkwood... I know I should have turned right :P

I'm on bullroer by the way so, no mistakes in my question. I just couldn't find the entrance

Thanks again

You can get a Worn Symbol also, by trading 10 Unhatched Spider Eggs

They come from the new 6-man, however, I don´t know their drop rate

Originally Posted by Chris91

You can get a Worn Symbol also, by trading 10 Unhatched Spider Eggs

They come from the new 6-man, however, I don´t know their drop rate

Wait, there's a new instance?

...Awesome!