Thread: Help! Stay in Moria or move on.

I have OCD, and want to complete almost any quest I get. And I literally have about 30 quests to do instances in Moria. My kin is saying / pressuring me to move out into new content, and that I shouldn't waste my time in Moria after level 59/60. What do you all think? Pack my bags and move on? Skip the content like I did Angmar? Or, should I be patient and try and find groups and do instances before I am to high a level and will make the content easy mode. Thanks for your comments / opinions.

Yes, you should start moving on to Loth at around 59-60. Don't spend too much time doing instances because you'll be replacing the instance armor fairly quickly anyway. Instance groups are hard to form nowadays so you'll be stuck in Moria for a long time if you're planning on completeing them all. Though if you're a completionist and want to enjoy the ride, by all means go for it.

If you want to do those instances, go ahead and do them. There isn't a ton of interest in the Moria instances anymore, but plenty of people still have to level through there. If you can get a group on level it should be a blast. The Moria instances (mostly) are really fun, but your kinmates are probably just tired of them if they had been playing the game for a while.

If you outlevel the instances too much for them to be challenging with a 6man group, you might consider running them undermanned. Have fun.

Originally Posted by TranquilZephyr

Yes, you should start moving on to Loth at around 59-60. Don't spend too much time doing instances because you'll be replacing the instance armor fairly quickly anyway. Instance groups are hard to form nowadays so you'll be stuck in Moria for a long time if you're planning on completeing them all. Though if you're a completionist and want to enjoy the ride, by all means go for it.

On the contrary, I would recommend continuing to work for that armor. The Moria armor can and will take you to L75. It did for me - heck, I was still wearing pieces of it whenever my mini hit 75 and started doing raid skirms and sch/lib (back whenever those two were relevant.).

Originally Posted by Armaius

On the contrary, I would recommend continuing to work for that armor. The Moria armor can and will take you to L75. It did for me - heck, I was still wearing pieces of it whenever my mini hit 75 and started doing raid skirms and sch/lib (back whenever those two were relevant.).

Yes the armor is definitely great and much better than the stuff you get until around 65-70ish. If you get the opportunity to join groups then go for it, though if there isn't much demand for groups, I would move on rather than spend time waiting.

Best idea is listen to your self. What do you want to do. Here what I hear alot. What can I do I am level 75 and there Nothing to do. My suggestion is take your time. Explore and have fun. Don't let your self be rushed.

Life is short...so are Dwarves and Hobbits...gods love 'em. Don't know about you, but I got plenty of character slots...what you don't finish with one you will be glad to try with another. Leaving a bit of mystery for the next toon is priceless. I'm an old D&D (paper and pencil version) fan, talk about OCD...i never left a stone unturned....took me until about lvl40 to accept that it might be better to not even explore some regions...and to leave that to my alts. Wishing the Fog of War was optional....but exploring and doing "new" quests with an alt make this game super sweet. Hell, if ya get to the endgame and need more XP...just skirmish and instance.

Originally Posted by haydenfisher3422

I have OCD, and want to complete almost any quest I get. And I literally have about 30 quests to do instances in Moria. My kin is saying / pressuring me to move out into new content, and that I shouldn't waste my time in Moria after level 59/60. What do you all think?

Don't know on which server you're on, but on mine all of the Moria instances, not only GS, are still run quite regularly with glff PUGs. Between 57 and 63 I managed to run all of them at least 2 or 3 times and additionally a bunch of 10-minute-turtleruns to get a lvl 60 first age.

My suggestion would be to leave Moria and go quest in Loth, but to join those runs whenever you get the opportunity. Usually they don't take too much time, and they're really the first opportunity to learn the ropes of grouping. You will get some practice which is invaluable later on, especially as it seems that your kin wants you to push forward to the "real" group content. Don't run them for the gear primarily; it's fine if you can get a few pieces of the set, but you can also just save the medallions for an alt. Run them for the experience, the fun, the deeds (and virtues!), the housing items, the IXP runes and the many, many quest slots you can free up by doing them.

I started Lothlorien at level 55 and returned to Moria later.

Yes, you definitly want to get the legendary trait you get for finishing Moria and to complete some of the deeds, but it's better to play something new at your level instead of seeing the Moria mobs until level 65 and then fight the guys outside when they are gray for you.

Most of the quests for Moria instances can be completed in 1 run - though there are exceptions. Since there is no point having them sitting in your log, do the following: remember where quests for each instance are (Orc Watch for Grand Stair, Anazarmeken for Forges and Fil Gashan, Shadowed Refuge for 16th Hall, Skumfil and Dark Delvings), then once you see a group forming in GLFF or a local LFF, take a few swift travel trips to get there, accept the quests, join the group, finish the instance, then turn them in after you're done. Problem solved.

I wouldn't want to miss those quests, as they provide a ton of XP: turning in all Grand Stair quests at once alone gives you roughly one level. But having them all sitting in your log prevents you from accepting more quests elsewhere and doesn't help either. Personally, I still see Moria instances run a LOT on my server: Grand Stair, 16th Hall, Forges, Dark Delvings - all of them. So, given some time completing those quests should definitely be possible.

My advice is to focus only on finishing the epic line in Moria, and then move on to Loth. You can always come back and finish Moria later, though the place is so vast that's a real grind. Lothlorien is as sunny and uplifting as Moria is dim and depressing. Plus, there are tons of resources there and some fun quests.

That said, the joy of this game is in its playing. If you want to finish all of Moria and like playing grey quests for much of the rest of the game, go for it!

Game =fun.

^ this. If you're enjoying yourself then stay and finish. Myself, I can't stand Moria... completed the epic line and leg trait and got the heck out of there.

i too left moria with quests unfinished, for similar reasons to those above.

none of this would be an issue if turbine would only put their "halted experience" item in the store once and for all. i really wish they'd hurry up and do it.

I would do enough quests in an area to get the quest deed. They changed the accounting since Moria launched so now it is a bit different (and more sensible) to complete.

If there are any virtues you are interested in, get those deeds done too.

You can solo all the legendary traits now too.

I'm glad I'm not in your kin! My Kin will generally run Moria stuff at the drop of a hat because they're bored of running Isengard stuff and skirms. I asked if we could run 16th Hall the other night to max out my Zeal and we had plenty of interest. After that we ran a GS daily and Forges just for the fun of it. Almost everybody got some kind of deed completed which means several more virtue points, and that makes the kin as a whole stronger. If nothing else everybody made progress towards the Savior of Khazud Dum meta-deed.

If you've completed everything else you can in Moria then you certainly want to start into Lothlorien, there's no point in sitting around in Moria if it doesn't look like you're going to get to do anything. I'd still be asking your kin to run the Moria stuff with you, or even just hop into Moria on occasion and ask in LFF.

The only problem with staying and doing the instances in Moria is being able to find groups. Other than that, I love Moria, so I would stay as long as possible

If you're enjoying Moria or want to finish it for completeness, do it! This is your only chance at seeing all the Moria content for the first time. When you run your next character through, it'll be "Seen this, moving on." If your kin doesn't like you staying where you're having fun, you're in the wrong kinship.

Personally I find Moria confusing and sometimes depressing (since the dwarf invasion is doomed to failure), and I like to come out into the light now and then. I haven't "finished" Moria on any character, though I've done all the solo stuff and epic stuff and a lot of the other group stuff on several.

Got sick of Moria last night and moved on at level 56. Totally forgot about the Epic quests....whoops.

I got sick of fighting through endless mobs, often getting jumped by wanderers, and fighting 1 on 5. Then,
the last straw was I couldn't find my way into Shadowkeep or whatever its called. I just kept wandering in circles around
it, going up and down, and couldn't get in. That's my biggest problem, all the fighting and getting lost trying to reach objectives.

Maybe I should go back and pick up the Epic Quest line?

OTOH, I got to yell "You shall not cross!!!".

I skipped most of Moria the first time around on my champ, simply because I was outleveling the material. Now that my champ is at the level cap, I've been going back to completed deeds and unfinished quests. The other bonus with this, is that since the Moria tokens are bound to account, I send those on to my LM, who is currently working on that material, allowing him to make use of the moria gear, without leveling too much in the process.

Even over leveled, I still enjoy the content immensely, and I have had very few problems finding groups to run it. In the past week, I've run through GS several times, skumfil once, and forges once. Between kin and friends, I see groups forming for old content all the time. The only things that I haven't seen any groups for are the larger raids, like watcher, rift and helegrod. I'd love to run those last two at least once.

Originally Posted by haydenfisher3422

I have OCD, and want to complete almost any quest I get. And I literally have about 30 quests to do instances in Moria. My kin is saying / pressuring me to move out into new content, and that I shouldn't waste my time in Moria after level 59/60. What do you all think? Pack my bags and move on? Skip the content like I did Angmar? Or, should I be patient and try and find groups and do instances before I am to high a level and will make the content easy mode. Thanks for your comments / opinions.

TS, why care what others think? You pay to play the game. If you want to complete all the quests and find that fun, then that is fine. Don't let kinmates pressure you into anything. It is not "OCD" to want to complete every quest. It is completely natural and normal. Take your time playing the game. End-game will always be there.

Originally Posted by Illiniwek80

Got sick of Moria last night and moved on at level 56. Totally forgot about the Epic quests....whoops.

I got sick of fighting through endless mobs, often getting jumped by wanderers, and fighting 1 on 5. Then,
the last straw was I couldn't find my way into Shadowkeep or whatever its called. I just kept wandering in circles around
it, going up and down, and couldn't get in. That's my biggest problem, all the fighting and getting lost trying to reach objectives.

Maybe I should go back and pick up the Epic Quest line?

OTOH, I got to yell "You shall not cross!!!".

I was lost for two hours first time I was sent down the the Foundations of the Stone and to the Shadow Refuge (or whatever it's called). Finding the ramp up to the refuge is tough the first dozen times (or so) down there. A kinnie finally came to my rescue. When I was down there questing I used to port back to the 21st Hall and then take swift travel back to the refuge, as I found that easier than trying to find it myself even when I'd been there a bunch of times. On level, I found the Foundtions of the Stone relative to rest of Moria as as dark and dreary as Moria itself was to, say, the Shire. Way over level I now find it kind of fun going back there.

One bit of bad news: even when you think you've finished the Moria epic quest and it sends you out to Lothlorien, it will then turn you around a few more times and send you back to Moria -- and the Foundations of the Stone! So beware...

I did every quest in Moria.

Every. Single. One.

All the regular quests, all the daily instance quests you get in 21st, all 9 help-this-class-do-their-class-deed quests, everything.

It was a blast!

I don't plan on doing this for all my alts, if they ever get this high, but I had lots of fun trying them once. Think I was level 64 by the time I staggered out the far gate into Lothlorien. Now I'm level 72 and just finished all the quests in Mirkwood. Very much enjoying it.

If you want to stick around and do them all, go for it. If you get tired, move on. Whatever you like. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun for you. Your kinmates are not your boss, they can't force you to do anything. Soon enough you'll be level 75 and moaning that there's nothing to do. Enjoy the voyage!

LOL. . . I was once a completionist, too, UNTIL MORIA. Good heavens, what a navigation nightmare! Big turnoff to all the beautiful design work they did for this region. I would get as close to 60 as possible/tolerated then move on.

I have avoided MORIA like the plague ever since leaving.

I'm level 75, OCD and still finishing up quests in Moria. Move on and you can always come back for them later. If you do the instances with other people who are on level it still wont be easy mode, especially for stuff like Dark Delvings, etc.

My main is level 69, and I still haven't left Moria/Lorien for Mirkwood, and am not ready to yet. Like you, I enjoy getting into the story, and I prefer not to leave until I finish all of the open-world and instance quests (aside from the raid quests like Vile Maw, Helegrod, Rift; I allow myself some leniency there). Once I run Halls of Crafting, and wrap up a halfway-completed quest from Forgotten Treasury, then I will move on.

My kin is the same way. Most everyone that can help has no interest in any Moria content, and I don't play during peak server hours, so I'm generally stuck with LFF PUGs.

But it's all about what you consider fun, and whether you are willing to have the patience and determination to stay until you've met your goals. Personally, I find it more enjoyable to stay in a zone until I've totally owned it - quests, deeds, instances - then I feel content to leave the good NPCs to hold down the fort. I find that I do that in every game I play, not just MMOs.

Originally Posted by Illiniwek80

the last straw was I couldn't find my way into Shadowkeep or whatever its called. I just kept wandering in circles around
it, going up and down, and couldn't get in

Ha, I tell you what, at 56 or lower, after what seems like hours running around avoiding higher level creatures (and elites - Elites!!) when you finally find that ramp it's a pretty good feeling

after while moria directions come easy. no more getting lost. great mistake to miss any zone. miss all deeds. miss all epics and any skirmishes they open. miss all character and item XP. miss all meta-deeds. miss all virtues and traits from region. miss all loots which bring riches of gold. miss all awesome armor sets and rep items. the list goes on and on of what is missed.

patience and perseverance are virtues that lead to great reward. impatient no perseverance rush to 75 abandon zones leads to diminished everything.

Moria instance are by far the best instances in the game, Do not skip them.

I've only got to do forges twice more and Fil Gashan once to get my third character the meta deed horse, which should tell you how much I enjoy the place.

I've brought a lot of alts through Moria and love the zone. As much as I love it, though, it can get tedious, especially on the tenth time through.

Over time I've found I like best to start doing quests in the Dimrill Dale around lvl 56-57 and begin ramping up Galadhrim rep, then bouncing back into Moria when those are on cooldown, and bounce between them as my interests dictate. I usually leave the more combat-intensive stuff for when I'm 58-59, and that works out nicely.

Once you get into Lorien itself, it's like a garden of rapid advancement and loot. You can fight orcs if you want, but you can also help lovelorn elves with their romantic problems and gaze wistfully across the Anduin for lost Amroth. And stuff.

You can quickly move on the Mirkwood comfortably at 60-61, but I recommend enjoying Lorien while you're there. Some of the gear you get there can last you into your 70s.

Of course, if your kinnies want you to rush through and you want to join them soon, that's an option. But hopefully they aren't so impatient that they can't allow you time to enjoy the game.

Originally Posted by Majic

Over time I've found I like best to start doing quests in the Dimrill Dale around lvl 56-57 and begin ramping up Galadhrim rep, then bouncing back into Moria when those are on cooldown,

Not a great plan. One should stay within Moria and complete the Epic quest line. Just do the Epic quests, relax and work through them. Eventually you are quested to meet an elf named Haldir on a flet just outside Lorien. Haldir will ask you to do something, and once done, he grants you acquaintance status with the Galadhrim, which is worth 10,000 rep (no need to grind for it )

At this point it's best to continue questing within Lorien because once in Cerin Amroth an elf lady will ask you to return to Moria. This continues the Epic line within Moria and brings it to it's conclusion. You should be around lvl 60, so while back in Moria run GS ten times to get your 70 medallions, and Buy your four pieces of teal Moria gear.

Then after completing the Epic you can do the Moria quest hubs. You'll be anywhere from 60-65 making most of them easy and quick to complete. Completing them is great because after finishing all Moria quest hubs, and the complete Epic line you will have attained Kindred with the Guards and Miners. Go grab your legendary that requires guard kindred. Now you are good to go. Just clean up any location deeds you may have missed and head back to loth.

7 runs of GS will net you exactly 49 medallions, no more (maybe less), and grinding the same instance is no fun, try them all out.

Also... the quickest source of medallions is skumfil daily, followed by Forges daily, hell I reckon DD could be done quicker then GS if you had a competent group that knew what they had to do.

I have a level 72 that keeps going back to Moria at least once a week.

My characters all start the legendary item quests at 45 and run through Moria to First Hall to pick up the stable masters at 46. They enter Moria for real at 50, and leave as soon as they hit 55 and can start doing the Lorien repeatables. Then they head into Mirkwood at 60-61.

Originally Posted by Korgain

7 runs of GS will net you exactly 49 medallions, .

i meant to say 7 medallions per run.

Originally Posted by Korgain

I reckon DD could be done quicker then GS if you had a competent group that knew what they had to do.

is this a joke? you can finish GS in 15 minutes with a PuG of noob lvl 58's. What group of level 58's do you know that can even complete DD? and it takes maybe 5 minutes to get a GS group together. try getting a DD or Forges group that fast. maybe skumfil. people always do skumfil. but its more challenging in many respects then GS.