seems rather freaking lame that the healer on freep side can do the DPS of a BA and tank like a WL and heal better than a Defiler plus CC better than a spider
and defilers can just spam heal over time's that really just makes up for creeps lack of in and out of combat Regen.
and beg for groups so they can hope to rank ...
GIVE DEFILERS SOME DPS
and make the debuffs instant cast its stupid to have a debuff that takes like 3 secs to cast
can we please do some thing for this class
makes me sick reading this NEW zone or new way to redo your house or change the color of your hair while creep side stays untouched and looked over constantly.
Yes to the insta-cast debuffs, or at least reduced cast time to 0.5 sec or 1 sec at most.
Those debuffs are pretty much redundant because of the current cast times.
Give defilers two stances. One that boost DPS with nerfed/self heal only. Second that boost healing and reduce DPS. Reduce inductions. Give skill that will prevent knockback for X seconds. = problem solved?
Give defilers two stances. One that boost DPS with nerfed/self heal only. Second that boost healing and reduce DPS. Reduce inductions. Give skill that will prevent knockback for X seconds. = problem solved?
+1
We need some love.
Tindalas is Laurelin's negative nancy. (Felathurin aka Brunt)
Just let us dream for a moment: Defiler get´s a warspeech with update 6... go into moors with rank 0... sees a minstrel walking near by... and BAM! Defiler crits the minstrel back to glain with 2x 4k hits... while "hotting" his brain out.
In my server, a defiler's typical role in a raid is just rezzing and throwing blight (20 secs of throwing HoTs and blight, 10 secs of doing nothing to get out of combat, then rez). In my opinion, this is a really boring role and waste of this healer/debuffer class' potential.
Defiler could really use some buffs. Instant cast debuffs like it's mentioned above, less inductions on HoTs, more frequent HoTs (ticks every 2-3 secs), more dps.
Everyone wants buffs, everyone wants changes. What's the tradeoff? I have to fight someone with 2-3 times more morale than me that also hits as hard as a minnie, or a class with longer range than my RK with 2-3 times the morale, or can tank like a guard with 2-3 times my morale AND heal, etc, etc, etc. I'm not just talking about Defilers (I know this is a defiler post) but come on. Minnies are OP, stupidly. And I agree creeps are ridiculously underpowered even with the insane morale, the fix is not to buff every class to match the perceived mirror.
Again, I know, believe, agree, concur, would testify in court, swear on a bible, that creeps need love as a group. Don't mistake me for some blinders on freep is all I am saying there.
If turbine said ok we're going to give you the same dps as your perceived mirror freep class and also lower your morale to match would you be happy?
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stead fire plague gourds! fires plague gourds every.5 sec while channeled with +10 range of the gourds. But defilers really need some serious damage I'll take a stance or somethin that sacrifices healing for significant increase in dps but the fact you may only break 1k in a dev crit if you apply a whole bunch of debuffs dying rage is just sad since defilers are pretty much an in between mini's and LMs both of which can break 2k easy if they want.
Now i'm saying not just 50% damage i'm saying upping crit multiplier to 250% and such to put it more on par with freep tact classes whose normal attacks do 500 damage but dev crit for 2k+ and i'm saying i'll take stance like warspeech to get this kind of jump in dps.
The problem is that defilers are all over the place, we are supposed to main heal but we only have pretty mediocre hots which are mostly useful to get people who are running away from battle healed up so they can go back in, we are supposed to have CC, but most freep classes have better CC than we do by a big margin, we have no relevant debuffs and only 1 buff.
Honestly I wouldn't mind us not having a whole lot of dps if our debuffs and healing was better and maybe we had an in combat rez and some power regen or we had some CC that works.
I don't want to be a creep mini, I rolled a healer because I wanted to heal, but since my heals are pretty poor, my debuffs are useless, my one buff is okay but nothing people want to group with you for and the CC which is supposed to be something we do is pointless.
I'd agree that Defiler buffs need some love. Defilers are usually considered the main debuffers of creepside, but our debuffs don't hold a candle to some of the freep debuffs. Let's compare a Defiler's best with a Burg's best (those that I think are best anyways.)
Curse of Deadly Sorrows: -325 Might, Will, and Fate. -2892 armor value. It's a pretty good debuff, but there are a lot of strings attached. First off, it's curable. Either you take 2 seconds to apply another debuff beforehand, or the freep cures it with one pot. It doesn't matter how many debuffs you stack first though if there's a Lore-Master in the Freep's group. Second, it has a stupidly long induction time. 3 seconds. If you have just one Freep on you? Completely impossible to get off on a melee class, and upwards of 5 seconds of casting time if it's something else. Finally, there's the cd. 30 second cd with 1 minute duration means it can only be on 2 freeps at a time.
Addle: We'll look at it with legacies, because there's no use in balancing against ungeared Freeps. Instant cast while on the move, uncurable, 5 second cd with a 30 second duration. With it a good Burg could very nearly cut a craid's healing in half. So in short, it has none of the downsides of Curse of Deadly Sorrows while being arguably better. Whee.
On Blight: It's not really all that potent of a debuff. Take two steps and you're out of it, with time to spare for the fraid's healers to bring the target back up. The DoT? I once saw a Guard with no shield (he did have the ON buff though) stack all three DoTs on himself. It didn't even get past his OOCMR. :/
TL;DR: Boring stuff, that tries to make the point that creep debuffs are in need of some love. Also, creeps could use a class that could clear debuffs.
Idmel - R8 Defiler (Aren't I creative with names?)
So Kelsan, could you take a look at Defilers as well please? You've done brilliant job on spiders, and defilers need some love too. All their skills are so old school and defiler population is dropping.
If turbine said ok we're going to give you the same dps as your perceived mirror freep class and also lower your morale to match would you be happy?
i would totally be happy with that. in some cases it would actually be an INCREASE in morale over being traited for full damage. i have seen all freep classes running 10k+ builds in the moors . just a few days ago i saw a mini with almost 12k . i know burgs who can break 13k morale guards who can get almost 30k(saw 28+k and was missing a few buffs) so its not like creeps have tons more morale then freeps when the best geared freeps can have more morale then their "mirror" class while still doing 3-4x the damage,healing and far more "escape" skills. i'm sure every reaver would love to run around with 20k morale with a bubble on a 30sec cd like some tank spec'd champs that can still do more dps then a reaver does now.
There is a DEV post asking players what they want come ROI for their characters, I suggest folks put their 2 cents in there for Defilier changes.
I posted that we Defilers would LOVE to get the Moria Def Totems for the aoe slow and power regen.... along with it, it would be nice if my 2200 power r10 Defiler had at least 1/2 as much power as my 7000 power counterpart does. One of the big hiccups for Defs is that a 2200 power pool for a raid healer is a joke. A cruel joke with lots of pointy edges..
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There is a DEV post asking players what they want come ROI for their characters, I suggest folks put their 2 cents in there for Defilier changes.
I posted that we Defilers would LOVE to get the Moria Def Totems for the aoe slow and power regen.... along with it, it would be nice if my 2200 power r10 Defiler had at least 1/2 as much power as my 7000 power counterpart does. One of the big hiccups for Defs is that a 2200 power pool for a raid healer is a joke. A cruel joke with lots of pointy edges..
You're in luck for power. It's raised to ~3000 and there's about 300 more ICPR. Combined with Audacity giving lower power costs as a bonus, it's much easier to maintain power now. Flies are more effective now too, and have 12k morale so you don't have to worry about them dying and giving the freeps a defeat event as often.
Idmel - R8 Defiler (Aren't I creative with names?)
Trying to compare anything to a Minstrel is a lose-lose situation. Unfortunately, there's far too many creeps/freeps who try to compare one side to the other. Stop. No two classes are worth comparing. Once you realize that, things get alot simpler.
The best creepside 1v1er I've seen on Elendilmir is a defiler. Most people don't have theirs ranked or know how to properly play it I've found though.
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